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With the current attempts to rewrite Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), I feel that I need to explain the existence of this page (just in case; if not, this rationale doesn't do any harm).
– sgeureka t•c 19:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I thought that Sudder's nickname was "Hack". Could be wrong, though. Mdiamante 00:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I wish to make the Carnivàle articles a Featured Topic. You may leave comments for possible improvement of these articles as a group at Wikipedia:Peer review/Carnivàle/archive1. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 17:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
That pic doesn't really give one a good impression of CB's face, IMO... I don't have any dvds, and a quick Google search doesn't turn up any better ones (this [4] was the best I could find), so I hereby suggest a new pic. Thank you. Mdiamante 23:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Mdiamante, I overwrote your file with a new screenshot of BJ from the same episode. Your version had a nice background with BJ doing his preacher job, but I thought his face looked very funny on the image. I tried to take a screenshot from the same scene, but because BJ talks during the whole scene (or looks down so that his face is all shady), I couldn't take a better one and tried with another scene. BTW, I think it is kind of good that his grin in the new image somehow misleads about what he actually about to become. Isn't that the way it should be? :-) – sgeureka t•c 17:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I am considering posting this as good article but it needs an enema. Please tell me what is lacking. Guru dies on Namek —Preceding undated comment added 12:39, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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This article is not of FA quality. Given all the problems mentioned at MPE, TFA and the article's own FAC, it is Start class. As the article is on the Main Page at this moment, I will not interfere for the moment.
Unless there are any serious objections, I propose to be WP:BOLD and invoke WP:IAR to initiate an emergency demotion to start class tomorow at 18:00 UTC. Mjroots ( talk) 18:03, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
OK, there have been serious objections so I won't be downgrading the article. I will be formally raising concerns and this article will be going through the FAR process in the coming days and weeks. Mjroots ( talk) 17:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
As I said at the time this appeared on the Main Page, this article is not of FA quality. In fact, reading the FA nomination, is should never have passed in the first place. The main failing is a lack of reliable sources. This was even admitted in the FA nom - Some sources are to a yahoo group that requires registration, but these are forum posts by the producer of the show (Daniel Knauf) and are thus reliable in their essence. Forums, by their very nature, fail WP:RS. Blogs also fail WP:RS. For the purpose of this discussion, we are discussing the current version of the article, last edited at 16:16, 6 September 2021.
References 4, 23, 40, 64, 96, 97, and 100 are all sourced from a Yahoo forum; references 22, 29, and 77 are sourced to blogs. There may also be a WP:PRIMARY issue, as HBO was the channel that Carnivàle aired on. References 3, 8, 11–13, 21, 25, 37–39, 41, 44, 45, 47–52, 55–63, 65–73, 84, and 99 are all from HBO. Similarly, interviews given by show creator Dan Knauf are also PRIMARY sources - references 5, 9, 10, 28, and 101 are in this category, as well as other references already listed above. So, there are issues with 54 of the 101 references used in the article, more than half.
It is apparent that this article should go through a FAR, with a recommendation that it be delisted. I've temporarily watchlisted this article, so there is no need to ping me in replies. Mjroots ( talk) 10:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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With the current attempts to rewrite Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), I feel that I need to explain the existence of this page (just in case; if not, this rationale doesn't do any harm).
– sgeureka t•c 19:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I thought that Sudder's nickname was "Hack". Could be wrong, though. Mdiamante 00:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I wish to make the Carnivàle articles a Featured Topic. You may leave comments for possible improvement of these articles as a group at Wikipedia:Peer review/Carnivàle/archive1. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 17:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
That pic doesn't really give one a good impression of CB's face, IMO... I don't have any dvds, and a quick Google search doesn't turn up any better ones (this [4] was the best I could find), so I hereby suggest a new pic. Thank you. Mdiamante 23:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Mdiamante, I overwrote your file with a new screenshot of BJ from the same episode. Your version had a nice background with BJ doing his preacher job, but I thought his face looked very funny on the image. I tried to take a screenshot from the same scene, but because BJ talks during the whole scene (or looks down so that his face is all shady), I couldn't take a better one and tried with another scene. BTW, I think it is kind of good that his grin in the new image somehow misleads about what he actually about to become. Isn't that the way it should be? :-) – sgeureka t•c 17:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
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This article is not of FA quality. Given all the problems mentioned at MPE, TFA and the article's own FAC, it is Start class. As the article is on the Main Page at this moment, I will not interfere for the moment.
Unless there are any serious objections, I propose to be WP:BOLD and invoke WP:IAR to initiate an emergency demotion to start class tomorow at 18:00 UTC. Mjroots ( talk) 18:03, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
OK, there have been serious objections so I won't be downgrading the article. I will be formally raising concerns and this article will be going through the FAR process in the coming days and weeks. Mjroots ( talk) 17:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
As I said at the time this appeared on the Main Page, this article is not of FA quality. In fact, reading the FA nomination, is should never have passed in the first place. The main failing is a lack of reliable sources. This was even admitted in the FA nom - Some sources are to a yahoo group that requires registration, but these are forum posts by the producer of the show (Daniel Knauf) and are thus reliable in their essence. Forums, by their very nature, fail WP:RS. Blogs also fail WP:RS. For the purpose of this discussion, we are discussing the current version of the article, last edited at 16:16, 6 September 2021.
References 4, 23, 40, 64, 96, 97, and 100 are all sourced from a Yahoo forum; references 22, 29, and 77 are sourced to blogs. There may also be a WP:PRIMARY issue, as HBO was the channel that Carnivàle aired on. References 3, 8, 11–13, 21, 25, 37–39, 41, 44, 45, 47–52, 55–63, 65–73, 84, and 99 are all from HBO. Similarly, interviews given by show creator Dan Knauf are also PRIMARY sources - references 5, 9, 10, 28, and 101 are in this category, as well as other references already listed above. So, there are issues with 54 of the 101 references used in the article, more than half.
It is apparent that this article should go through a FAR, with a recommendation that it be delisted. I've temporarily watchlisted this article, so there is no need to ping me in replies. Mjroots ( talk) 10:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)