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HERE ARE TWO OFFICIAL BLOGS ABOUT IT: http://www.myspace.com/morningwood http://www.myspace.com/chantal_claret it won't let me post the direct links from the blog, but these are official.
Please show me a reputable source for this information. To continue adding it without a source and concensus first will be considered vandalism. Graveenib 17:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Please note: The responsibility is yours to CITE...YOUR...REPUTABLE...SOURCES. Just saying that you speak for both parties isn't enough, (and if you do, then you present a conflict of interest on these pages). If you do speak for them, then send a press release to CNN or Rolling Stone and then post it with the reputable source cited. I'm sorry, but forum posts from one person (likely you) and bloggy audio clips aren't reputable sources and your edits will be removed per WP:VERIFY and WP:BLP. Gravee 18:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I put in a bit about her breasts, which are a really huge part of their show. This video is of a report about it, in which Chantal talks about what shed oes onstage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3rKwddhc8&feature=related
It's not unimportant and it's not vandalism, for Christ's Sake! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.242.97 ( talk) 13:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
He DID change his name as stated here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindless_Self_Indulgence#Jimmy_Urine Please stop reverting my changes -- Octalmage ( talk) 14:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Any unsourced material will be removed from this article, as it is a biography about a living person, any info need to be reliably and well sourced. A Myspace page is not considered a reliable source because it is self-published and unverifiable. -- Neon white 19:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
The rule is about contoversial info. You took out the non-controversial and left the only fact in the article that is controversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.15.213 ( talk) 19:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I've marked the questionable stuff that needs citations. -- Neon white ( talk) 04:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually the heading of the Wikipedia article on notability say to use common sense and message boards can, under certain circumstances, be used as references. Ditto for MySpace, under certain circumstances and statements from the subject of the bio entry. Before you yank the 'holster' reference, please note: the narrative statement is not the reference, the photograph of Chantal wearing the holster with her microphone clearly visible is the reference.
On the Internet, original sources of references are constantly coming and going. If every article on Wikipedia was pulled the minute a source reference disappeared, there wouldn't be a Wikipedia in 5 years. Much of the Net is ephemeral. Even sources like the NY Times will cull their older articles from time to time. Because of that, sometimes it is necessary to look back at the discussion page on an article and just go by previous entries when research for sources was done and a consensus was reached. That is what I propose for the engagement reference. If that is too abstract for you, then you might need to use some common sense and conclude that this is one of those times when statements from the subjects (Chantal and James) posted on their own MySpace pages and on their own commercial web sites may be used as valid references. Those affirmations of the engagement would have been denied or deleted by now if untrue. The nature of an engagement doesn't lend itself to conventional verification as may be seen in the prior testing and consensus efforts above. Frankly, many judgements of the validity of a certain reference here and another there are very subjective. To remind you - Wikipedia's rules do not cover all possible cases and Wikipedia suggests and allows the common sense approach in certain cases. DrDelos ( talk) 15:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
With this much hassle over a completely insignificant statement, it looks like I will have to get a third party. BTW, reread WP:SPS & WP:SELFPUB DrDelos ( talk) 16:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I shouldnt have to keep pointing out that self published sources in articles about themeselves are only admissable in certain circumstance. It has to be relevant to their notability, in this case it's trivia from a message board user. I will make a rfc as soon as the afd is closed. In the meantime i highly advise you to thoroughly read Wikipedia:No original research and WP:V policy to get a better understanding of editing. -- Neon white ( talk) 17:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
It is becoming abundantly clear that you are not interested in improving Wikipedia or this article. You are merely interested in bullying. The proof is the holster statement. You want a reference and then you say that it isn't relevant to notability and reject three different references. It is not trivia because it is part of her reputation and stage persona. The photo just authenticates the mention in this article. DrDelos ( talk) 18:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Rfc to solve the dispute regarding unsourced/poorly sourced material in the article and whether the sources provided are verifiable and suitable for a bio.
I think the comments about this are more suitable for the morningwood article than here as it's about the bands performance. -- Neon white ( talk) 17:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
--neonwhite user page talk 03:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have request a third opinion on these edits and created another section below for formatting. --neonwhite
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HERE FROM WP:3O This one goes a couple of ways. First, in terms of the conduct going on here, 1) from someone who comments there, please don't AfD an article that's you're involved in a dispute on; 2) marking dispute edits as vandalism, when it's really a content dispute, is considered bad form. With that out of the way, my take on the edits- I agree with the bullet points above, with the exception of #4, to a point. I don't think an IMDB link is necessarily unreliable, so I think those sources are okay. The image of her wearing a holster isn't however, as we don't know if she always does, or if that was a one-time thing. The engagement note appears to have never been sourced, so it should go as well. I'd also strongly recommend both editors involved step away from this article, before you wind up with high blood pressure. JeremyMcCracken ( talk) ( contribs) 01:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
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Shouldn’t this article mention that she played Shaun on the Netflix series “Love” (2016-2018)? 24.117.151.34 ( talk) 06:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
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HERE ARE TWO OFFICIAL BLOGS ABOUT IT: http://www.myspace.com/morningwood http://www.myspace.com/chantal_claret it won't let me post the direct links from the blog, but these are official.
Please show me a reputable source for this information. To continue adding it without a source and concensus first will be considered vandalism. Graveenib 17:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Please note: The responsibility is yours to CITE...YOUR...REPUTABLE...SOURCES. Just saying that you speak for both parties isn't enough, (and if you do, then you present a conflict of interest on these pages). If you do speak for them, then send a press release to CNN or Rolling Stone and then post it with the reputable source cited. I'm sorry, but forum posts from one person (likely you) and bloggy audio clips aren't reputable sources and your edits will be removed per WP:VERIFY and WP:BLP. Gravee 18:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I put in a bit about her breasts, which are a really huge part of their show. This video is of a report about it, in which Chantal talks about what shed oes onstage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3rKwddhc8&feature=related
It's not unimportant and it's not vandalism, for Christ's Sake! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.22.242.97 ( talk) 13:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
He DID change his name as stated here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindless_Self_Indulgence#Jimmy_Urine Please stop reverting my changes -- Octalmage ( talk) 14:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Any unsourced material will be removed from this article, as it is a biography about a living person, any info need to be reliably and well sourced. A Myspace page is not considered a reliable source because it is self-published and unverifiable. -- Neon white 19:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
The rule is about contoversial info. You took out the non-controversial and left the only fact in the article that is controversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.15.213 ( talk) 19:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I've marked the questionable stuff that needs citations. -- Neon white ( talk) 04:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually the heading of the Wikipedia article on notability say to use common sense and message boards can, under certain circumstances, be used as references. Ditto for MySpace, under certain circumstances and statements from the subject of the bio entry. Before you yank the 'holster' reference, please note: the narrative statement is not the reference, the photograph of Chantal wearing the holster with her microphone clearly visible is the reference.
On the Internet, original sources of references are constantly coming and going. If every article on Wikipedia was pulled the minute a source reference disappeared, there wouldn't be a Wikipedia in 5 years. Much of the Net is ephemeral. Even sources like the NY Times will cull their older articles from time to time. Because of that, sometimes it is necessary to look back at the discussion page on an article and just go by previous entries when research for sources was done and a consensus was reached. That is what I propose for the engagement reference. If that is too abstract for you, then you might need to use some common sense and conclude that this is one of those times when statements from the subjects (Chantal and James) posted on their own MySpace pages and on their own commercial web sites may be used as valid references. Those affirmations of the engagement would have been denied or deleted by now if untrue. The nature of an engagement doesn't lend itself to conventional verification as may be seen in the prior testing and consensus efforts above. Frankly, many judgements of the validity of a certain reference here and another there are very subjective. To remind you - Wikipedia's rules do not cover all possible cases and Wikipedia suggests and allows the common sense approach in certain cases. DrDelos ( talk) 15:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
With this much hassle over a completely insignificant statement, it looks like I will have to get a third party. BTW, reread WP:SPS & WP:SELFPUB DrDelos ( talk) 16:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I shouldnt have to keep pointing out that self published sources in articles about themeselves are only admissable in certain circumstance. It has to be relevant to their notability, in this case it's trivia from a message board user. I will make a rfc as soon as the afd is closed. In the meantime i highly advise you to thoroughly read Wikipedia:No original research and WP:V policy to get a better understanding of editing. -- Neon white ( talk) 17:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
It is becoming abundantly clear that you are not interested in improving Wikipedia or this article. You are merely interested in bullying. The proof is the holster statement. You want a reference and then you say that it isn't relevant to notability and reject three different references. It is not trivia because it is part of her reputation and stage persona. The photo just authenticates the mention in this article. DrDelos ( talk) 18:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Rfc to solve the dispute regarding unsourced/poorly sourced material in the article and whether the sources provided are verifiable and suitable for a bio.
I think the comments about this are more suitable for the morningwood article than here as it's about the bands performance. -- Neon white ( talk) 17:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
--neonwhite user page talk 03:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have request a third opinion on these edits and created another section below for formatting. --neonwhite
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HERE FROM WP:3O This one goes a couple of ways. First, in terms of the conduct going on here, 1) from someone who comments there, please don't AfD an article that's you're involved in a dispute on; 2) marking dispute edits as vandalism, when it's really a content dispute, is considered bad form. With that out of the way, my take on the edits- I agree with the bullet points above, with the exception of #4, to a point. I don't think an IMDB link is necessarily unreliable, so I think those sources are okay. The image of her wearing a holster isn't however, as we don't know if she always does, or if that was a one-time thing. The engagement note appears to have never been sourced, so it should go as well. I'd also strongly recommend both editors involved step away from this article, before you wind up with high blood pressure. JeremyMcCracken ( talk) ( contribs) 01:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
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jewish mother — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:191:5FA0:50B1:380:1688:518B ( talk) 16:02, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Shouldn’t this article mention that she played Shaun on the Netflix series “Love” (2016-2018)? 24.117.151.34 ( talk) 06:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)