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Actually, "çamërisht" along with "gegërisht/gegnisht", "labërisht" and "toskërisht" form the four major divisions of the Albanian language. 21:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Chamerisht is a sub dialect of tosk not a branch in itself. gege and tosk are the only two groups.-- 92.0.7.212 ( talk) 10:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
The presence of Albanians in the Epeirote lands from the beginning of the thirteenth century is also attested by two documentary sources: the first is a Venetian document of 1210, which states that the continent facing the island of Corfu is inhabited by Albanians;" and the second is letters of the Metropolitan of Naupaktos John Apokaukos to a certain George Dysipati, who was considered to be an ancestor of the famous Shpata family. Furthermore, I suggest that names that appear in two acts of the Angevins of Naples dated 130422 using the forms, Albos, Spatos, Catarucos, Bischesini, Aranitos, Lecenis, Turbaceos, Marchaseos, Scuras, Zeneuias, Bucceseos, Logoresc and Mateseos are either well-known, less-known or totally unknown names of Albanian clan leaders at that time. Are we obliged to see in this a possible earlier Albanian immigration in the Epeirote lands, as Kostas Komis did in the case of the etymology of the toponym Preveza'?" I believe that the use of hypothetical immigrations as a basis to interpret sources that indicate the presence of Albanians in the Epeirote lands prior to the thirteenth-fourteenth century is somewhat arbitrary. For it serves the concept of national purity in zones with clear lines of communication, mutual relations (as linguistic research has proved) and common traditions, religion as well as principal language of communication. It is evident that this was the case in a period when co-existence and understanding among people of different nations (in the modern sense of the term) were far better than they are today.
Nevertheless, the immigration movements of the fourteenth century are documented facts, as I shall point out below.
In 1252, Prince Golem of Arbanon submitted to the empire of Nicaea58, but this did not last, since, in 1257/58, the Albanians rebelled again and rejoined the party of Michael II, ruler of Epirus59. In the same period, the Italians from Naples took the coastal zone from Dyrrachion to Valona and started to colonize Albania. This was the provisional end of contacts between Albanians and the Greeks of Epirus. There is no evidence that Albanians came southwards to Epirus in this period.
The Albanians appear in the sources in the 11th century52, but this does not mean that they were newcomers in the Balkans, since they may be heirs of the ancient Illyrians53. In any case, although their original territory is still not precisely known, we can be certain that there existed no large Albanian population in Epirus: their heartland in the 11th and 12th centuries was the small territory of Arbanonin essence is the same to Giakoumis (2003) who writes that: a)Albanians are attested in 13th century Epirus b)there is no reason to get into a discussion about migrations since they were part of the same socio-political world as the Greeks of Epirus c)Albanian tribes did move southwards in the 14th century.-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 00:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
The specific maps depict the maximum extent of Albanian speech in nw speech in detail, they are sourced by a top graded academic paper on the issue (Kokolakis), and were also introduced by an Albanian wikipedia editor in the past. I doubt if a productive editor can claim something close to 'dubious' about them. He needs to provide at least a decent explanation instead of launching abstract accusations. Alexikoua ( talk) 01:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
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Actually, "çamërisht" along with "gegërisht/gegnisht", "labërisht" and "toskërisht" form the four major divisions of the Albanian language. 21:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Chamerisht is a sub dialect of tosk not a branch in itself. gege and tosk are the only two groups.-- 92.0.7.212 ( talk) 10:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
The presence of Albanians in the Epeirote lands from the beginning of the thirteenth century is also attested by two documentary sources: the first is a Venetian document of 1210, which states that the continent facing the island of Corfu is inhabited by Albanians;" and the second is letters of the Metropolitan of Naupaktos John Apokaukos to a certain George Dysipati, who was considered to be an ancestor of the famous Shpata family. Furthermore, I suggest that names that appear in two acts of the Angevins of Naples dated 130422 using the forms, Albos, Spatos, Catarucos, Bischesini, Aranitos, Lecenis, Turbaceos, Marchaseos, Scuras, Zeneuias, Bucceseos, Logoresc and Mateseos are either well-known, less-known or totally unknown names of Albanian clan leaders at that time. Are we obliged to see in this a possible earlier Albanian immigration in the Epeirote lands, as Kostas Komis did in the case of the etymology of the toponym Preveza'?" I believe that the use of hypothetical immigrations as a basis to interpret sources that indicate the presence of Albanians in the Epeirote lands prior to the thirteenth-fourteenth century is somewhat arbitrary. For it serves the concept of national purity in zones with clear lines of communication, mutual relations (as linguistic research has proved) and common traditions, religion as well as principal language of communication. It is evident that this was the case in a period when co-existence and understanding among people of different nations (in the modern sense of the term) were far better than they are today.
Nevertheless, the immigration movements of the fourteenth century are documented facts, as I shall point out below.
In 1252, Prince Golem of Arbanon submitted to the empire of Nicaea58, but this did not last, since, in 1257/58, the Albanians rebelled again and rejoined the party of Michael II, ruler of Epirus59. In the same period, the Italians from Naples took the coastal zone from Dyrrachion to Valona and started to colonize Albania. This was the provisional end of contacts between Albanians and the Greeks of Epirus. There is no evidence that Albanians came southwards to Epirus in this period.
The Albanians appear in the sources in the 11th century52, but this does not mean that they were newcomers in the Balkans, since they may be heirs of the ancient Illyrians53. In any case, although their original territory is still not precisely known, we can be certain that there existed no large Albanian population in Epirus: their heartland in the 11th and 12th centuries was the small territory of Arbanonin essence is the same to Giakoumis (2003) who writes that: a)Albanians are attested in 13th century Epirus b)there is no reason to get into a discussion about migrations since they were part of the same socio-political world as the Greeks of Epirus c)Albanian tribes did move southwards in the 14th century.-- Maleschreiber ( talk) 00:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
The specific maps depict the maximum extent of Albanian speech in nw speech in detail, they are sourced by a top graded academic paper on the issue (Kokolakis), and were also introduced by an Albanian wikipedia editor in the past. I doubt if a productive editor can claim something close to 'dubious' about them. He needs to provide at least a decent explanation instead of launching abstract accusations. Alexikoua ( talk) 01:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)