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I don't know enough about the subject to know if User:201.10.22.27's delete was appropriate; I'm assuming it was, but I wanted to list these here just to be safe. -- mordicai. 17:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I very much doubt that there is any evidence that Ceto was believed to be the personification of the dangers of the sea, unknown terrors and bizarre creatures in the ancient world. Unless any evidence can be provided that this statement is true then this should be removed. The Prime Source 11:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Siren have been included in a list of the children of Ceto. Yet Apollodorus says that they are the children of Acheloios and Melpomene or Terpsichore. Pausanias says that they were children of Acheloios and Euripedes says that they are children of Gaia. They have also been described as daughters of Calliope and Phorcys. Unless a source is provided that the Sirens were daughters of Ceto the Sirens should be removed from the list of Ceto's children. The Prime Source 14:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Thoosa has been included in a list of Ceto's children. Homer says that Thoosa was a daughter of Phorcys and does not mention Ceto. Unless there is a source that describes Thoosa as Ceto's daughter is provided Thoosa should be removed from this list. The Prime Source 14:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Cetus was, I believe, and entirely different sea creature. He was the monster sent by Poseidon to punish Cassiopeia. CheshireCatCO ( talk) 22:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure that Keto the sea-goddess daughter of Ge and Pontos is not the same character as Ketos the sea monster in the story of Perseus and Andromeda. I'm going to split these pages into two. If someone objects, they can feel free to start up a campaign for merger. Proserpine ( talk) 20:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I opt to support Proserpine's reasoning on this subject. Keto & Ketos are two completely different 'personalities', though very similar in roles. Keto was an archaic, minor and malevolent marine deity who embodied dangers at sea, whereas Ketos was a monster of the sea. In the end Perseus vanquished and very much slew Ketos, which makes it impossible to have been Keto in its place since gods are immortal and, naturally, much more powerful than mortals. I strongly believe them to be two different characters!!! Oceanblueeyes ( talk)
Nobody reading an encyclopedia cares what you personally believe. Wikipedia covers what the experts say. We need cites from reliable sources, not personal conjecture. DreamGuy ( talk) 20:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Ceto (Κητώ) is the daughter of Gaia and Pontus. "Cetus" (κῆτος) is a common noun that means, according to the LSJ, "any sea-monster or huge fish." There are examples of κῆτος meaning a tunafish or dolphins, in addition to the sea-monsters killed by Perseus, Herakles, etc. If there's any original research going on, it's the insistence that two clearly separate topics are the same. Obviously Ceto should be a separate article, and cetus needs to be rewritten to avoid the impression that there's only one κῆτος--Perseus and Herakles didn't kill the same one, after all. --Akhilleus ( talk) 18:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
The assertion that Ceto and Cetus are the same, and the resulting conclusion that Cetus married Phorcys, are both unsourced. If they cannot be sourced, they should be removed. Consider for example this standard source, which has entries for both, which do not even mention each other. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Of course Ceto and Cetus are not "the same". But why the split? We just end up with two poor stubby articles. Are you going to suggest that this article needs to be split again, into Cetus (Perseus) and Cetus (Heracles), since the two monsters slain by the two heroes obviously cannot have been "the same"? Mythology articles do not need to be split along "individuals", they need to identify reasonable topics that can be discussed encyclopedically. Claiming a discussion of Ceto as "completely separate" from a discussion of Cetus is unreasonable. -- dab (𒁳) 23:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The Greek Cetus is a copy of the Mesopotamian Tiamat and everyone who understands the subject knows this, but this can not be said because it is offensive to the "European" pseudo-ethnicity. However, its allowed to lie saying that it was the Greeks who created the Chinese dragon, even though: 1) Chinese civilization is much older than Greek. 2) The Dragon Chinese is even older than Chinese civilization, dating from Neolithic period to at least 6,000 years ago. 3) Chinese and Greeks never had direct contact.
I will not even edit this part, I will share this to everybody see these and others lies invented by the "european" pseudo-ethnicity. Barbar03 ( talk) 22:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
There is no "European pseudo-ethnicity" and I do not care what is mentioned as long as it is the truth. In our case, what can be said for a fact is that κήτος is a Greek word entirely, and the mythology of it all might be based on the Mesopotamian one, but it is uncertain. As for the dragon, it did exist in Greece as well, and the Ancient Greeks did have some limited trade contact with the Chinese. And especially after the conquests of Alexander the Great. But in general, the civilizations of the time did share many things with one another so there is no "stealing" from any side, it's just that they were related.
LightningLighting ( talk) 15:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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I don't know enough about the subject to know if User:201.10.22.27's delete was appropriate; I'm assuming it was, but I wanted to list these here just to be safe. -- mordicai. 17:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I very much doubt that there is any evidence that Ceto was believed to be the personification of the dangers of the sea, unknown terrors and bizarre creatures in the ancient world. Unless any evidence can be provided that this statement is true then this should be removed. The Prime Source 11:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Siren have been included in a list of the children of Ceto. Yet Apollodorus says that they are the children of Acheloios and Melpomene or Terpsichore. Pausanias says that they were children of Acheloios and Euripedes says that they are children of Gaia. They have also been described as daughters of Calliope and Phorcys. Unless a source is provided that the Sirens were daughters of Ceto the Sirens should be removed from the list of Ceto's children. The Prime Source 14:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Thoosa has been included in a list of Ceto's children. Homer says that Thoosa was a daughter of Phorcys and does not mention Ceto. Unless there is a source that describes Thoosa as Ceto's daughter is provided Thoosa should be removed from this list. The Prime Source 14:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Cetus was, I believe, and entirely different sea creature. He was the monster sent by Poseidon to punish Cassiopeia. CheshireCatCO ( talk) 22:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Image:Clashtitans.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am pretty sure that Keto the sea-goddess daughter of Ge and Pontos is not the same character as Ketos the sea monster in the story of Perseus and Andromeda. I'm going to split these pages into two. If someone objects, they can feel free to start up a campaign for merger. Proserpine ( talk) 20:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I opt to support Proserpine's reasoning on this subject. Keto & Ketos are two completely different 'personalities', though very similar in roles. Keto was an archaic, minor and malevolent marine deity who embodied dangers at sea, whereas Ketos was a monster of the sea. In the end Perseus vanquished and very much slew Ketos, which makes it impossible to have been Keto in its place since gods are immortal and, naturally, much more powerful than mortals. I strongly believe them to be two different characters!!! Oceanblueeyes ( talk)
Nobody reading an encyclopedia cares what you personally believe. Wikipedia covers what the experts say. We need cites from reliable sources, not personal conjecture. DreamGuy ( talk) 20:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Ceto (Κητώ) is the daughter of Gaia and Pontus. "Cetus" (κῆτος) is a common noun that means, according to the LSJ, "any sea-monster or huge fish." There are examples of κῆτος meaning a tunafish or dolphins, in addition to the sea-monsters killed by Perseus, Herakles, etc. If there's any original research going on, it's the insistence that two clearly separate topics are the same. Obviously Ceto should be a separate article, and cetus needs to be rewritten to avoid the impression that there's only one κῆτος--Perseus and Herakles didn't kill the same one, after all. --Akhilleus ( talk) 18:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
The assertion that Ceto and Cetus are the same, and the resulting conclusion that Cetus married Phorcys, are both unsourced. If they cannot be sourced, they should be removed. Consider for example this standard source, which has entries for both, which do not even mention each other. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Of course Ceto and Cetus are not "the same". But why the split? We just end up with two poor stubby articles. Are you going to suggest that this article needs to be split again, into Cetus (Perseus) and Cetus (Heracles), since the two monsters slain by the two heroes obviously cannot have been "the same"? Mythology articles do not need to be split along "individuals", they need to identify reasonable topics that can be discussed encyclopedically. Claiming a discussion of Ceto as "completely separate" from a discussion of Cetus is unreasonable. -- dab (𒁳) 23:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The Greek Cetus is a copy of the Mesopotamian Tiamat and everyone who understands the subject knows this, but this can not be said because it is offensive to the "European" pseudo-ethnicity. However, its allowed to lie saying that it was the Greeks who created the Chinese dragon, even though: 1) Chinese civilization is much older than Greek. 2) The Dragon Chinese is even older than Chinese civilization, dating from Neolithic period to at least 6,000 years ago. 3) Chinese and Greeks never had direct contact.
I will not even edit this part, I will share this to everybody see these and others lies invented by the "european" pseudo-ethnicity. Barbar03 ( talk) 22:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
There is no "European pseudo-ethnicity" and I do not care what is mentioned as long as it is the truth. In our case, what can be said for a fact is that κήτος is a Greek word entirely, and the mythology of it all might be based on the Mesopotamian one, but it is uncertain. As for the dragon, it did exist in Greece as well, and the Ancient Greeks did have some limited trade contact with the Chinese. And especially after the conquests of Alexander the Great. But in general, the civilizations of the time did share many things with one another so there is no "stealing" from any side, it's just that they were related.
LightningLighting ( talk) 15:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)