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May 23 - This page is undergoing an update with the inclusion of references. Please be patient as the process and research does take some time. Eclipse Anesthesia 15:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Again this article has been vandalised to reflect certain political view point found only in the US. It is immoral to disrupt the educational function of wikipedia to present a personal angry viewpoint. I appeal to the rest of the Wikipedia community to lock this page from further attacks. In addition, those of you who continue to edit this page anonymously to spread your own vitriol, are cowards. Aestiva 12:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia Nurse Anesthetist page is an important resource of information and education for the public worldwide. This english edition reflects mainly practice in the United States. Anesthesia practice in United States (and other countries) is provided by both nurse specialists and physicians. Therefore, practice models can be the source of debate among the specialty groups. This can lead to biased or Wiki vandalism on this web page. It is very important that this page remain factual and unbiased to respectfully represent the voice of the of American nurse anesthetists and nurse anesthetist worldwide. Therefore, this page is monitored and edited by representives of the Communications division of the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists. We hope to continue development and expand on the written and photo content, and encourage Wiki community input.
Eclipse Anesthesia
21:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please provide a reference to CRNA’s being allowed to operate a pain clinic? In my experience I have not encountered this. Additionally the line “CRNAs can administer anesthesia in all types of surgical cases” is a bit misleading because while some states allow for unsupervised CRNA practice no state allows for unlimited practice. Kubed 08:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC) Kubed
IN REFERENCE TO "ANESTHESIA CARE TEAM": "Frequently, CRNAs will provide care alongside an anesthesiologist, in what is termed the Anesthesia Care Team. This combines the expertise of both a physician and nurse anesthetist to provide excellent peri-operative care." This statement is misleading because it suggests that anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists each bring to the "anesthesia care team" a unique form of expertise that works in tandem with the other, and in-turn that the anesthesia care provided by an anesthesiologist without the collaboration of a CRNA is of lesser quality than that provided with the collaboration of a CRNA. This is not the case. It is the anesthesiologist who possesses "expertise" in the science and practice of anesthesia. The CRNA is not, and has never been, considered to possess "expertise" in anesthesia. I recommend that the words "both" and "and a nurse anesthetist" be removed from the above quotation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.109.35.58 ( talk) 18:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
CRNAs have nursing degrees. Anesthesiologists have doctoral degrees in medicine. CRNAs spend 2-3 years in CRNA programs, about a year of which is spent taking abridged versions of some of the medical science courses that anesthesiologists took in great deal while in medical school. Similarly, CRNA programs do not provide them with the kind of extensive anesthesia training that anesthesiology residencies provide to medical graduates. This means that CRNAs are not maximally trained in anesthesia. Anesthesiologists are. By virtue of this fact, anesthesiologists have "expert" status. CRNAs do not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.164.86 ( talk) 08:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I've just reverted a sequence of edits over the last few days, which have introduced a thread of vitriolic dissatisfaction with the role and made claims as to the safety & legality of nurse anaesthesia and its desirability compared to medical anaesthesia. These arguments are important and should, IMHO, be a central feature of this (and other advanced practice nursing) articles, however in the form they were presented they were not encyclopaedic: they read as anti-nursing rants based on nothing but the opinion of the editor. These are, however, widely held beliefs and it is important they're included, and I'd like to see them back, but preferably with reference to evidence, historical documents and expert opinion, and presented in a more balanced way. -- John24601 10:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I welcome, and hope we all do as well, the inclusion of other views and opinions when presented properly. F. L. ( talk) 01:46, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
If we're going to stop the constant editing of this article to reflect certain particular views, then we need to reference this more thoroughly (and to unbiased, third party sources). I don't work in america, so I don't know, for example, whether CRNAs have to work "under" doctors in all states, some states, or no states, but the constant jostling for position between each of the different camps is doing the article no good. Unfortunately, as I don't live or work in america, I have little idea where to start looking for sources, but those editors who hold each of the different opinions on this and other issues might want to point me towards some, or insert some in the article yourselves. We could also do with some comparison in the article somewhere between success rates in nursing & medical anaesthesia, I am aware of a study in the USA by Silber et al published in "Anesthesiology", but ideally we could do with a meta-analysis, which I'll start looking for. This is an important article, and could be very good, but we need to put a stop to the constant bickering! -- John24601 06:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Silber has been widely discredited. In fact an editorial in the issue in which it originally appeared took the authors to task for passing off their political posturing as scientific research.
Why, if you don't work in America, should you be so interested in CRNAs or their Wiki article?
My guess is that you must have a hard copy to view that editorial. Good luck
deepzCRNA 04:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Re: Silber:
http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showpost.php?p=77382&postcount=8
deepzCRNA 13:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The majority of the content comes from two sources. The Communications office of the AANA from which I directly communicate with, and content from my personal resources. I am a history buff of anesthesia and have about 40 antique or collection quality text on anesthesia. I also have many old journals and documents. Included in my collection is Thatcher's History of Anesthesia, Roberson's Victory of Pain, Echenhoff's Anesthesia from Colonial Times, Key's History of Surgical Anesthesia, and the more recent Bankert's Watchful Care. All the information on the Wikipedia page come from these various sources that are considered credible and authoritative. Eclipse Anesthesia 15:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
External links providing consumer information need not conform to everyone's chosen political viewpoint.
deepzCRNA 12:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has a large number of references from a few sources, sources whose purpose it to promote crnas. Quotes used in the article include weasel words and the article reads in places like a addvertising brochure. I would like to see that cleaned up, I'm going to go through and add some other sources, and remove some of the weasel words. My first impression is that there is an ownership issue here, too, but I hope that is not the case. Fuzbaby ( talk) 19:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the external links in this article and moved links from the body to the external links section where they should be. Also added some tags for areas that needed fixes. I reworded one sentence so that it could be included without a reference. I've also created a page for the AANA, and it looks like some of the content from this article could be ported to their and removed from this page so to remove the worldview tag; also the numerous references to the AANA should be decreased to 1 or 2, or perhaps moved to a section called nurse anesthesia in the United States. Fuzbaby ( talk) 04:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I've added a few lines about independent practice of CRNAs to the "scope of practice" session. This focuses on indepdent practice, because it is the most interesting fact about CRNAs that is not well-known to the public. -- JadamR15 ( talk) 00:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I've fixed a few of your erroneous assertions about independent practice under the scope of practice section. As a physician, it's sad for me to see that the only way to truly solve this otherwise self-evident debate about the inappropriateness of independent practice is for CRNAs to kill a few patients without MD intervention that otherwise would not have died. Hubris has such a price. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.117.89.242 ( talk) 03:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
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I can see the theoretical concern given the state of anesthesia politics. I am a nurse anesthetist and will try and check this page more often for incidents of vandalism. F. L. ( talk) 01:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I can see the theoretical concern given the state of anesthesia politics. I am a nurse anesthetist and will try and check this page more often for incidents of vandalism. F. L. ( talk) 01:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
There's been some complaints that this article mainly deals with the position of CRNA inside the US. CRNA is a designation that only exists inside of the United States, with nurse anesthetists having education, certification, and designations specific to the US. I think it would be appropriate to spin off this information into its own article out of "Nurse Anesthetists" into "Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist". This article can still house the general term and link to CRNA as its own specific designation (which it is). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nowhereman86 ( talk • contribs) 01:23, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
Due to the unique nature of this profession in the United States, we're moving all of the information specific to CRNA to it's own dedicated page. This page will now focus on the blanket term of "Nurse Anesthetist" with summaries about the international variances between the profession
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May 23 - This page is undergoing an update with the inclusion of references. Please be patient as the process and research does take some time. Eclipse Anesthesia 15:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Again this article has been vandalised to reflect certain political view point found only in the US. It is immoral to disrupt the educational function of wikipedia to present a personal angry viewpoint. I appeal to the rest of the Wikipedia community to lock this page from further attacks. In addition, those of you who continue to edit this page anonymously to spread your own vitriol, are cowards. Aestiva 12:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia Nurse Anesthetist page is an important resource of information and education for the public worldwide. This english edition reflects mainly practice in the United States. Anesthesia practice in United States (and other countries) is provided by both nurse specialists and physicians. Therefore, practice models can be the source of debate among the specialty groups. This can lead to biased or Wiki vandalism on this web page. It is very important that this page remain factual and unbiased to respectfully represent the voice of the of American nurse anesthetists and nurse anesthetist worldwide. Therefore, this page is monitored and edited by representives of the Communications division of the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists. We hope to continue development and expand on the written and photo content, and encourage Wiki community input.
Eclipse Anesthesia
21:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please provide a reference to CRNA’s being allowed to operate a pain clinic? In my experience I have not encountered this. Additionally the line “CRNAs can administer anesthesia in all types of surgical cases” is a bit misleading because while some states allow for unsupervised CRNA practice no state allows for unlimited practice. Kubed 08:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC) Kubed
IN REFERENCE TO "ANESTHESIA CARE TEAM": "Frequently, CRNAs will provide care alongside an anesthesiologist, in what is termed the Anesthesia Care Team. This combines the expertise of both a physician and nurse anesthetist to provide excellent peri-operative care." This statement is misleading because it suggests that anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists each bring to the "anesthesia care team" a unique form of expertise that works in tandem with the other, and in-turn that the anesthesia care provided by an anesthesiologist without the collaboration of a CRNA is of lesser quality than that provided with the collaboration of a CRNA. This is not the case. It is the anesthesiologist who possesses "expertise" in the science and practice of anesthesia. The CRNA is not, and has never been, considered to possess "expertise" in anesthesia. I recommend that the words "both" and "and a nurse anesthetist" be removed from the above quotation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.109.35.58 ( talk) 18:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
CRNAs have nursing degrees. Anesthesiologists have doctoral degrees in medicine. CRNAs spend 2-3 years in CRNA programs, about a year of which is spent taking abridged versions of some of the medical science courses that anesthesiologists took in great deal while in medical school. Similarly, CRNA programs do not provide them with the kind of extensive anesthesia training that anesthesiology residencies provide to medical graduates. This means that CRNAs are not maximally trained in anesthesia. Anesthesiologists are. By virtue of this fact, anesthesiologists have "expert" status. CRNAs do not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.164.86 ( talk) 08:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I've just reverted a sequence of edits over the last few days, which have introduced a thread of vitriolic dissatisfaction with the role and made claims as to the safety & legality of nurse anaesthesia and its desirability compared to medical anaesthesia. These arguments are important and should, IMHO, be a central feature of this (and other advanced practice nursing) articles, however in the form they were presented they were not encyclopaedic: they read as anti-nursing rants based on nothing but the opinion of the editor. These are, however, widely held beliefs and it is important they're included, and I'd like to see them back, but preferably with reference to evidence, historical documents and expert opinion, and presented in a more balanced way. -- John24601 10:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I welcome, and hope we all do as well, the inclusion of other views and opinions when presented properly. F. L. ( talk) 01:46, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
If we're going to stop the constant editing of this article to reflect certain particular views, then we need to reference this more thoroughly (and to unbiased, third party sources). I don't work in america, so I don't know, for example, whether CRNAs have to work "under" doctors in all states, some states, or no states, but the constant jostling for position between each of the different camps is doing the article no good. Unfortunately, as I don't live or work in america, I have little idea where to start looking for sources, but those editors who hold each of the different opinions on this and other issues might want to point me towards some, or insert some in the article yourselves. We could also do with some comparison in the article somewhere between success rates in nursing & medical anaesthesia, I am aware of a study in the USA by Silber et al published in "Anesthesiology", but ideally we could do with a meta-analysis, which I'll start looking for. This is an important article, and could be very good, but we need to put a stop to the constant bickering! -- John24601 06:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Silber has been widely discredited. In fact an editorial in the issue in which it originally appeared took the authors to task for passing off their political posturing as scientific research.
Why, if you don't work in America, should you be so interested in CRNAs or their Wiki article?
My guess is that you must have a hard copy to view that editorial. Good luck
deepzCRNA 04:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Re: Silber:
http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showpost.php?p=77382&postcount=8
deepzCRNA 13:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The majority of the content comes from two sources. The Communications office of the AANA from which I directly communicate with, and content from my personal resources. I am a history buff of anesthesia and have about 40 antique or collection quality text on anesthesia. I also have many old journals and documents. Included in my collection is Thatcher's History of Anesthesia, Roberson's Victory of Pain, Echenhoff's Anesthesia from Colonial Times, Key's History of Surgical Anesthesia, and the more recent Bankert's Watchful Care. All the information on the Wikipedia page come from these various sources that are considered credible and authoritative. Eclipse Anesthesia 15:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
External links providing consumer information need not conform to everyone's chosen political viewpoint.
deepzCRNA 12:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has a large number of references from a few sources, sources whose purpose it to promote crnas. Quotes used in the article include weasel words and the article reads in places like a addvertising brochure. I would like to see that cleaned up, I'm going to go through and add some other sources, and remove some of the weasel words. My first impression is that there is an ownership issue here, too, but I hope that is not the case. Fuzbaby ( talk) 19:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the external links in this article and moved links from the body to the external links section where they should be. Also added some tags for areas that needed fixes. I reworded one sentence so that it could be included without a reference. I've also created a page for the AANA, and it looks like some of the content from this article could be ported to their and removed from this page so to remove the worldview tag; also the numerous references to the AANA should be decreased to 1 or 2, or perhaps moved to a section called nurse anesthesia in the United States. Fuzbaby ( talk) 04:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I've added a few lines about independent practice of CRNAs to the "scope of practice" session. This focuses on indepdent practice, because it is the most interesting fact about CRNAs that is not well-known to the public. -- JadamR15 ( talk) 00:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I've fixed a few of your erroneous assertions about independent practice under the scope of practice section. As a physician, it's sad for me to see that the only way to truly solve this otherwise self-evident debate about the inappropriateness of independent practice is for CRNAs to kill a few patients without MD intervention that otherwise would not have died. Hubris has such a price. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.117.89.242 ( talk) 03:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
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I can see the theoretical concern given the state of anesthesia politics. I am a nurse anesthetist and will try and check this page more often for incidents of vandalism. F. L. ( talk) 01:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I can see the theoretical concern given the state of anesthesia politics. I am a nurse anesthetist and will try and check this page more often for incidents of vandalism. F. L. ( talk) 01:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
There's been some complaints that this article mainly deals with the position of CRNA inside the US. CRNA is a designation that only exists inside of the United States, with nurse anesthetists having education, certification, and designations specific to the US. I think it would be appropriate to spin off this information into its own article out of "Nurse Anesthetists" into "Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist". This article can still house the general term and link to CRNA as its own specific designation (which it is). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nowhereman86 ( talk • contribs) 01:23, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
Due to the unique nature of this profession in the United States, we're moving all of the information specific to CRNA to it's own dedicated page. This page will now focus on the blanket term of "Nurse Anesthetist" with summaries about the international variances between the profession