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OK, it's locked. But is there really a "latte grade"? Sorry Starbucks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.68.34 ( talk) 21:58, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Some of the criticisms section seems reasonable, but the article is written partly in the second person and the length of the section suggests serious bias on the part of the author. More balance would be helpful. D-Clancy 04:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
"I agree. While criticism can be informative, in this article it currently takes about three times the space as the general information about the company."
"Much of this seems to come from message boards, which are not considered reliable sources as per WP:A."
It's not a complaint so much as it is an observation. Looking on this article as an outsider, it seems to me to be strongly biased to one point of view. More effort seems to have been put into detailing specific complaints about the company than explaining what the company does. To be a useful Wikipedia article, it needs to be edited to represent a more neutral point of view. Otherwise, the content might be more appropriate for a personal website or blog.
Regarding the material which is sourced from the message boards, truth is not the issue. As stated in WP:A, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." For all I know, it could all be true, every word. Yet even if I knew firsthand its veracity, that would still not be enough to qualify it for inclusion in Wikipedia. Wikipedia demands reliable sources, preferably secondary in nature. Unfortunately, it does not consider Internet bulletin boards to be reliable. -- GentlemanGhost 13:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
The information in this page is misleading. CGC grades counterfeit books. Cy-Fi ( talk) 20:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Why the blatant puffery? "This is another valuable service as a good counterfeit can be hard to detect even by a trained eye." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.68.34 ( talk) 18:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The reason edited this section was because of the way it was phrased using the second person. It sounded like advertising copy taken directly from the company's site (and indeed included a link to the website). "You can do this...", "You can do that...". This is not an encyclopedic tone. The way that it is phrased now (including the subsequent edit after mine) is much better. Also, I think linking to CGC's website in the lead section is unnecessary as there is already a link to it in the "External links" section. -- GentlemanGhost 17:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the "Wizard Age" label controversy, this section was phrased very badly. Nothing that is worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia should need the preface "This is a true story." That it is "corroborated by Moondog" is hardly a ringing endorsement. Moreover, Internet bulletin boards are considered "self-publishing" and consequently are not considered to be reliable sources. I don't object to the content per se, but if it is to be included, it needs a better source and it needs to be rephrased. -- GentlemanGhost 17:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Another editor questioned whether this company was truly notable enough for Wikipedia. I think that it is, but there isn't much currently in the article to back that up. I added a quote from Robert Overstreet to help establish notability. Another thing that might help is a verifiable source regarding the relationship between Wizard Magazine and CGC. Wizard features CGC and CGC-graded comics in its monthly price guide, but as I am not a subscriber, I am not sure when this began or what the exact nature of the partnership is. If someone has a reference that would clarify this, I think it would add to the argument of notability. -- GentlemanGhost 00:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is really starting to shape up. Thank you!
Doubtless, you will have noticed, however, that I tagged it as POV again. This is for many of the same reasons as before. The criticism section is still much larger than the basic information about the company. This gives undue weight to that point of view. Many of these criticisms still come from message boards, which are not considered reliable sources. It could all be true, but that's not the point. The point is verifiability. Assertions made by a poster on a message board are impossible to verify. Indeed, it's not even possible to verify that a poster is who he or she claims to be. For this reason, message boards are not considered acceptable sources for Wikipedia. Removing some these unverifiable assertions will help to whittle down the overlong criticism section. -- GentlemanGhost 00:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
All this said, there are still elements of controversy missing from the discussion. I've lost the link (otherwise I'd have added it) but there was a published article critical of the CGC idea, in which a noted comic book expert criticizes the idea of "slabbing", saying it has changed comic book collecting to wall art collecting since slabbing does not allow the interior of comics to be viewed. I agree that commenting on speculators needs a bit stronger of a source; anecdotally I have heard this and in fact there is visual evidence in the 2007 Overstreet book which includes an illustration of a CGC-slabbed 2005-dated Action Comics #824, which Overstreet lists at being worth only $2.50 in top condition. Even at the cheapest CGC pricing option, the cost of getting it shipped and graded and slabbed far outweighs the stated cost of the comic; obviously speculation that someday Action 824 will be worth substantially more is under way here. Unfortunately we can't speculate ourselves as to the motives (that would be OR, plus we don't know if the slabbed comic might not be autographed or have some defect increasing its value), but it is a piece of possible evidence anyway. 23skidoo 13:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
"much dead on about the whole criticism section (which BTW, is way too long)" How can it be too long when it's all true? Should we edit out the truth for stylistic purposes? Please, all you worriers, write a section or two to balance out the Criticism section, I beg you. Then we can focus on the real problems... put up or shut up, you might say... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonewert ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we should talk about this on the talk page? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 07:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Most of our refs don't look reliable. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 19:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Jesus christ, thank you! Somebody finally gets what I have been saying for a year. The refs are reliable, 100%! It "appears that this website is owned by CCG/CGC" - holy crap, you finally figured that out? You gotta be a retard not to know that. Do you guys even collect comics? You don't seem to know much. I told you like a year ago, there is NO reasonable doubt. If it's posted by "Sborock" w/ the name in green, it is Steve Borock. PERIOD. Just spend a day or two actually reading the Board, and it will be as obvious as the facts I've presented. Have you guys ever even been there? Posted there? If you did, you'd know that this is part of CGC's policy/strategy. They put important info on the chat boards, and ONLY on the chatboards, on purpose. If they were really altruistic and slabbing books to "help the hobby, save the buyer from getting ripped off", they would've released this info to Wizard, CBG, newsarama, etc. Wake up! Or read up. Anything to educate you guys and I can quit this edit war.
Although the page as it is now is a step in the right direction. I will always put the Ewert info back in b/c IT'S THE FRIGGIN' TRUTH! VERIFIED BY CGC! Want proof? Call their toll-free number - 1-877-NMCOMIC and get the info, if you're not too lazy. As it is now, the info is smaller than I would like, one or two sentences, but that's better that editing it out completely.
Do you guys ever make any actual contributions, or do you just sit there editing out the truth? Write some pro-CGC sections to balance the article, ya hypocrites! Truthy McStupid ( talk) 02:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Just as I thought, you guys aren't even comic book fans. Someone didn't even know CGC started in New Jersey. Sad little boys, pretending you're "in charge" of something. I'm doing what's morally right for the comic community, you guys can keep aiding and abetting the scammers and scum of the comic industry. And you can't stop me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.35 ( talk) 04:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Below me. It's not necessarily a moral crusade, but it's turned into a crusade against scab-pickers like you. I'll ask you again - do you even know anything about CGC at all? No, you know Wiki style formats and what's technically not allowed. You're like the balloonknot in middle school who says, after the bell rings, - "Teacher, you forgot to give us homework". Maybe I should just wipe out the page - then you'll have nothing to stroke it to. "oh yeah... oh yeah... I'm gonna edit that out... oooooh yeah, that's how I like it" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.35 ( talk) 03:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the Criticism section NPOV? There has been an ongoing edit war regarding it. A previous iteration of the article might be good for comparison. For example, this one.
These are just my opinion, not a GA review or anything, so feel free to ignore.
Overall, think this page is looking pretty good. If you're looking for respectibility, I think you're almost there. If you're looking for a GA, I'd talk to the reviewers a bit about how they're going to grade the forum refs before submitting it. I have a feeling they would have an opinion on it, but I don't know what that would be. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 01:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks like there's been a template on the article for quite some time about possible POV problems. Are there still concerns with the article? Shell babelfish 22:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Can someone point out where on wikipedia's policies or guidelines it says that you can't have a controversy section on an article?
[4] The section even has an {{
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the Wikipedia:TONE#Tone style guideline where it says that the lead should "include mention of notable criticism or controversies" and "They should provide an overview of the main points the article will make, (...) including its more important controversies, if there are any."
If the section is not correctly written then the solution is not deleting it all but rewriting it. If the sources are not good then you should try to change them for others and delete the really bad ones.
The "Grading" subsection is very negative and should be moved out of criticism and include both the Comics Guaranty's LLC definition of grading and positive statements about grading (I suppose there must be some somewhere!) -- Enric Naval ( talk) 22:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Since we seem to be back to a spate of IP addresses who have a bone to pick with the subject and continue to reinsert material against clear consensus, I've semi-protected for a bit. Shell babelfish 02:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
While it is true that the green lable is used to note that a special damaging feature is part of the comic it is also important to point out that if there is a signature on a comic that wasn't witnessed by a CGC Rep. the comic is given this "special" label. The truth is I'm not sure how far this extends since on their website it makes a comment about Certificates of authenticity being hard to confirm. This should be noted however since based on this someone would think that a comic with a green lable must have a horrible deficiancy where it might just have an unconfirmed signature.
This is the website that has the info: http://www.cgccomics.com/grading/label_description.asp
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinderhaulf ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 27 January 2009
It was reliably sourced, the information came directly from the president of CGC. These guys just pick and choose what rules to enforce when, when it suits them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.6 ( talk) 12:21, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
As a Wikipedia user with no specific knowledge of comic collecting, I find the Process table confusing. It is stated that CGC grades material from 0.5 to 10, then Definitions defines what A, P, S, M and E denote, but below that is given an example grading "VF/NM 9.0". I'm going to induce that NM is near mint, but am I to guess what VF is or why it is there? 121.45.247.24 ( talk) 20:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
One of the most obvious criticisms is that the CGC practice is the ultimate objectification and de-artification of the comic/magazine being graded, because it is sealed permanently and will never be read/viewed again except for the cover. All of the story and interior art are essentially sealed forever for all intents and purposes, as if there were no writer or non-cover artists. One might as well just encase it in Lucite like a bug in amber. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 06:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
See, here's more misinformation that would've easily been refuted when this page was informative. A comic is not permanently sealed in the slab, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.6 ( talk) 12:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Coming back a month and half after I last commented, the piece still appears to be written to lend CGC an imprimatur of acceptance and authoritativeness that it doesn't really have. There are a large number of criticisms from a large number of critics. I've been collecting for 30ish years and I can't even begin to estimate the number of collectors who feel that CGC and its few imitators are a terrible idea, rip offs, a grievous insult to everyone but the cover artists, easy to fool, a cynical way to make a quick buck off of collectors who don't know better, grotesquely skewing comics values, causing older comics to be less critically graded, and so on, and so forth. While the "Criticisms" section hasn't been deleted again lately, and I think it's important that the lead itself continue to note that the company and the idea are controversial, the Overstreet quote in the lead isn't reliable, as he is not an independent source, but takes lots and lots of advertising money from them, has worked directly with them (some say effectively under their thumb) to revise the comics grading standards to the new 3rd Edition specifications, and otherwise has direct ties to the company. His statement is comparable to a paid "blurb" on the back of a paperback novel. How many comic stores don't even carry any CGC items at all (other than recent acquisitions that happened to come in with a purchased collection)? Lots of them. The article of course should not be an attack piece, but it shouldn't be a puff piece either. And I've seen up above that there's been some disputation, with some editors saying online forums cannot be used as sources here, at all, ever. This isn't actually true. An online forum can easily and obviously be a reliable source (sometimes the most reliable) for the fact that a controversy exists and what its details are, when it is a live record of that controversy in action. They just aren't reliable for statements of fact that need independent verification, like how CGC operates, what its revenues are, etc. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 18:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm not married to a point of view if you can prove me wrong, but I am married to the truth. Seems you have some kind of agenda, what with the way you edit out stuff without verifying it. If you took a few minutes to check this stuff out (like I've been begging you fools for years to do) you'd change your "not married" POV. If you had done this to start with, you wouldn't look so hypocritical, saying first that chatboards don't count and now saying they do. If you had just taken my advice years ago no one would know what a Dumas you are.
And cheated by CGC? WTF are you talking about, that doesn't even make sense. Just trying to find some reason to invalidate my relevant and valid research. I've never been "cheated by CGC" and never will be - what does that even mean?
What's your name on the CGC Board? I'd love to read your brilliant contributions. Or are your only contributions to the comic world deleting other's informative and verified true statements? 66.217.176.2 ( talk) 00:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I am very familiar with CGC, I have not submitted books to be graded, but I have purchased some from eBay and comic shops. I have never sold a cgc graded book as I collect not profit, in fact I have not sold a comic in 15 years. At a glance this article appears to lack NPOV. The criticism section is large encompasses more than 1/2 the article. Then something like CGC is locked for edits REALLY!?! Well there is your sign. This page screams NPOV. I am familiar with some of the topics including grading inconsistencies, but I also noticed certain element have been excluded from the article such as how a CGC graded book vs a non-graded book can be more valuable, especially in terms of a high grade. This is in terms of both the market effects of things such as eBay, Craigslist, and other online sites. As well as brick and mortar stores. Also little mention is made of the pros of grading. Verified signature, reliable 3rd party grading vs a seller who has more vested and benefit in a self imposed and likely exaggerated grade. No mention on article is made of Wizard magazine having the graded section for several years. Basically this article extensively expands on the cons of grading, but very little on the pros, especially of cgc or competitor PGX. Personally I don't like restored books and many people try to restored to increase value, things such as page bleaching, trimming, staple replacing, and even counter fitting are all to common especially when money is involved. CGC has benefits and not everyone is for or against, but this article clearly has been edited lacking a NPOV. No mention of the potential benefits at all really!?, Really!?. No mention of CGX, no mentioned of higher prices on ebay. Mile high comics is not the authority on prices and neither is overstreet, overstreet is just a guide. A book is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So lets cleanup this article, the fact that something as non-mainstream and not a political page such as this needs to be locked for edits should be a flag for concern. may even need to initiate a full community discussion on this page, many some mediation. The criticism section is generally fine, a tad large for this article. Also why no pros such as the few I mentioned. I will let this ferment for a little bit them I am tagging NPOV. I plan on also expanding the article to mention some of the pros with reliable 3rd party sources. I would advise to throughly read the NPOV guide and then please lets discuss.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 21:16, 7 August 2011 (UTC) After a through review of the content and citations. there is several problems. While the criticisms definitely hold some water, I think are way to expanded. The criticisms section is also lacking reliable citations. A lot of citations are from collectors society chat boards. Collectors society falls under 2 issues, Primary Sources and Internet forum postings which are deemed not acceptable by wiki policy. 0pen$0urce ( talk) 21:14, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Aside from a strong notion of lacking NPOV, the criticism section lacks reliable references as tagged since 2008. Forums are deemed not acceptable by wikipedia. Most of the references were from collectors society forum board which has 2 glaring issues, one is the reference is coming from the primary source, another is citing a forum.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC) i am going to try to source some of this information, but I think the criticism section could be written better and summarized. A lot of the questionable material begins with something a former or current president did, then followup up with un-sourced opinion of reaction from a forum. I will make a light attempt to source that material, if not reliable source can be found within wiki guidelines, delete. This section has be tagged regarding the references for 3 years now and it appears little has been address this tag. Raises concerns to the intentions of some editors.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
GentlemanGhost, you make an excellent point. I'll look into the references, just want to make sure they support the information. I am fine with the overall concept of the criticisms, but the section needs work. Some of the information appears to be an elaboration or paraphrase of something from a CGC forum and is a double fault as a forum is being heavily used for a reference and that forum falls into the Primary sources realm. -- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Here is Wikipedia's policy on self-published sources:
Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves (Shortcut: WP:SELFSOURCE)
Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
The CGC message boards count as a self-published source. As such, we can use information from these message boards within the limits described above. The article has already been changed to address at least one complaint about on the self-serving point. If we do use the CGC message boards as a source, we should only use messages from CGC employees that pertain to their company, not those which make claims about third parties, such as customers or other companies. And, as stated, the article needs to be based primarily on reliable sources, not self-published sources. On this count, the article has been fairly lopsided. Adding more information from the NY Times article or the Chicago article (or new articles) would help to balance this out, as would reducing the amount of detail in the criticism section which is based on the message boards. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 22:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Somewhat taken on this article as short-term project as I observed some significant information missing such as several CGC graded books setting price records at auctions in the past year. This fact provides both relevance and notability to this article. Also doing some light cleanup and since the criticisms appears to be the focus of the article I do want to add mention of the lack of UV resistance on the materials used.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Well you obviously have an agenda and thus why you are here, I advise reading NPOV which is the root of all edits. Much of the criticisms is un-sourced or very poorly sourced from blogs. I can create a blog to either drum up or complain about anything, however that does not merit it being reference worthy. Not everyone knows about the benefits, that just furthers your agenda. Sorry you don't like CGC, sorry you don't like Wizard, this is not the place to promote opinion. Again NPOV,Also consider making a registered account, your IP is posted which is ill advised. 0pen$0urce ( talk) 17:41, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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The following text from the article appear to be the author's personal opinion and an attack on a named individual to boot. Should probably just be removed completely as it doesn't really add anything to the article.
"Critics say that this policy encourages sellers to press comics without disclosing it to buyers. Steve Borock himself refuses to proactively disclose work done on specific comics. Critics ask: if Pressing is no big deal, why don't sellers proactively disclose it? Because they are worried about leaving money on the table. The greediest pressing/restoration expert is Matt Nelson, who also works for Heritage Auctions (where Steve Borock now works). " 62.107.114.13 ( talk) 21:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Is anybody going to add to or fix this page? Certainly you heard the big Classics Inc/CGC announcement. Plus, the page is really lame, you're missing a bunch of good info. I'd do it myself but, you know, the Nazis got me. You guys talk big but it's time to put your money where your mouth is. Do something! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.2 ( talk) 21:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
And all you've done is prove what a retarded mongoloid you are. All you do is yap yap yap, never contributing anything to this page. You know nothing about CGC apparently, so the only way to feel superior is to edit important stuff out. You're part of the problem... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.8 ( talk) 19:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Instead of quoting things that are not relevant to the article (Godwin's law), could you reply to the original question? Does this need to be addressed to someone else in the wikipedia structure who can give a competent answer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.72.198 ( talk) 22:13, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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A signed book has the potential to valued more than the same book in equal condition
should be ( could someone fix the grammar? )
A signed book has the potential to be valued more than the same book in equal condition
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Hi. I work for CGC Comics and we would like to remove any reference to our company President as it is inaccurate. The reference appears in two places (see below).
1) "The company was launched in early 2000 and has since gone on to become a notable part of the comic book collecting community. CGC's current President, Mark Haspel, is also the company's primary grader.[2]"
You could change it to ""The company was launched in early 2000 and has since gone on to become a notable part of the comic book collecting community."
2) "Key people Mark Haspel (President)[1]"
Please just remove the reference as CGC does not currently have a President position.
Also, please remove "18 years ago" after "Founded January 4, 2000; 18 years ago" located in the upper right corner of the page by our logo where the second time the name Mark Haspel appears (see below).
Type Private Industry Collectibles Founded January 4, 2000; 18 years ago Parsippany, New Jersey, U.S. Headquarters Sarasota, Florida, U.S. Area served Worldwide Key people Mark Haspel (President)[1]
If you need further information I can be reached at lauries@cgccomics.com
Thank you! Laurie Lsan242 ( talk) 21:15, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm a CGC representative requesting that "Comics Guaranty" be changed to "Certified Guaranty Company". This appears to be correct everywhere except for the very top title section for the company. Thanks! JSnyderCGCComics ( talk) 15:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
CGC has been banned from E4 due to Astroturfing. Please see evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKSXBt-AXCo&ab_channel=SolemnYuGiOh , https://efour.proboards.com/thread/21152/cgc-employees-astroturfing-e4?page=4 , https://the-comic-book-forum.boards.net/thread/1615/cgc-employees-permanently-banned-astroturfing?page=1&scrollTo=84480 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1FC0:2480:4DCD:8668:54B8:EA2F ( talk) 18:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
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Comics Guaranty → Certified Guaranty Company – This is the correct name of the company that this article is about (see https://www.CGCcomics.com). It also follows the style within Wikipedia of the page names for CGC's coin-grading affiliate, Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (see /info/en/?search=Numismatic_Guaranty_Corporation), as well as NGC's chief competitor, Professional Coin Grading Service (see /info/en/?search=Professional_Coin_Grading_Service). All three of these companies authenticate, grade and encapsulate collectibles. Limeparade ( talk) 15:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I emailed your company at one point or another asking cgc how exactly I go about grading my comic books that I own in my collection at one point or another I owned the world's finest comics issue 73 through 323. And Adventure Comics 155 to 490, and I wanted advice on how exactly to grade my comic books through cgc. And furthermore I can't believe I would be asked if I'm going to keep them or if I'm going to be selling them. What difference does it make if I intend to keep them or sell them? Furthermore since when should I subscribe to your website in order to grade a comic book in my collection since I'm having to pay for the comic book to be graded to begin with having to pay a subscription fee for you to do your job seems ridiculous to me. And when does it take 11 months to a year and a half for an individual trained and certified by cgc to grade comic books? Had it took me 11 months to a year and a half to do my job I'd be fired. Then again I probably wouldn't be here right now I'd probably be dead because I was a soldier in Afghanistan as an Army Ranger. And furthermore how many comic books do you grade per day I know I'm curious to know as well as other people, and how is it that comic book stores online are coming across comic books that are sold and very fine condition I often wonder to myself, if perhaps cgc or other comic book grading companies are opening unclaimed comic books that were sent in to be graded. And cgc is sending these comic books individual businesses opening up selling them to us once again only to be resubmitted to faten their pockets, with a fresh submittal fee to not only faten their pockets but the business as well. And I have one other question for cgc cbcs and PGX and my question is if Gary Moser is indicted by the FBI for trimming baseball cards that is considered a hobby is it not but he did it for a financial gain through PSA I get it hey sports card grading company. So when does it become so coincidental that you are able to do the same exact thing to somebody's intellectual property such as a comic book in their collection by trimming it adding color touch, or even trimming only one side of the comic book I've seen stuff happen with cdc's grading that I often wonder to myself if they come up with new scenarios of how to screw over the little man. This is why a dear friend of mine who has passed away recently his name is Neal Adams, once said to me he frowned upon cgc and everything they have done to the industry he worked for he didn't understand why everybody deserved a golden star book why couldn't it be graded for as it lied and why is it that pressing a comic book is not restoration of a comic book are you not manipulating the way the grade is going to be, to increase the value just like Gary Moser? So I wonder first who gave you permission when you are not on the cover as a artist not as the anchor or the writer of the comic book not even the comic book industry DC Marvel has authorized you to do such a thing I bet you artists don't even know that you're doing this thing to their books because I've asked a few of them and they don't know this is going down! And why is it that you charge such a ridiculous amount of money to grade a comic book but you don't have a authenticator to authenticate a signature on site guess what if I submit a sports card to tops or upper deck at signed by Joe Montana they have a signature authenticator on Deck but you don't, why is that? You would think because you're part of the collectibles grading group you would think that you'd have the same standards as PSA Beckett as anyone else who grades cards or comic books and furthermore why is there no price guide for your purple label your green label comic books furthermore I don't think there's a price guide that's free to the general public for even Blue label books people say use eBay, use Heritage auctions. Well if Heritage auctions banned you from using their account how do you price your items are they the ones who make the overstreet price guide so if they put a ban on your account from being able to value your items then how does one get the value of their comic book? And it's sad to say that I've owned in my collection several vintage video games being a collector of all things being told by individuals for certain companies you have nothing to value when obviously you do have stuff about you and you going to approach these individuals, and they know your vulnerable because your father had just passed away they know you're disabled and they scrutinize you verbally attack you make you feel less than human this nation I want served as an Army Ranger I couldn't believe my ears. Is this the America I swore to protect is this the America you people stand behind people who antagonize victimized and attack disabled Rangers with TBI and PTSD? Why would we give any of these people our money whenever they can't even give you an honest grade? And why is it that CDC has a term to use for the person grading the comic book such as amateur grader, intermediate grader, professional grader? Why is it necessary for you to charge me 10% of the comic book value if it is so scarce and so vintage such as Superman #1 Batman #1 only for you too place it in a 7.5 graded purple label intermediate graded stating that it needed only the right side page two and three trimmed do you know who's comic book you happen to have grade during this time that individual I believe he said he was 11 years old when you bought that book that was his inspiration to go into the comic book industry to draw Batman at a later time in his life his name is Neal Adams, Neal Adams owned a comic book store as well he also sold on eBay. And furthermore worked all the way to the day he died did he get paid like he should have? He got paid just as much maybe a little bit more by a few thousand dollars as much as a school lunch lady! And doing something he enjoyed doing he grew to leave the house for a Comic-Con with a fake smile cuz he had to be there, and basically grew his passion into certain kind of animosity towards the end because of everything it has become today! People don't collect comic books like they should anymore only old time collectors have collections people of the youth only buy to get it graded to flip it so that they can buy the next big thing and cover the bills having a collection is something of the past and that is sad it's not for the love of the comic book The Joy of the person buying the comic book that is why comic books died before the pandemic and we're always dead and if we want to see change we're going to have to start fixing the people who are infringing their rights desecrating the comic book so the individual can never sell it, that is wrong people! This is just my opinion on the matter and furthermore my opinion on the matter why is it that you can't give a military discount we fought for your country didn't we I'm on a fixed income can't grade cause it's too overpriced no enjoyment for me I guess that's just my opinion! Apocalypsegamer ( talk) 06:24, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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OK, it's locked. But is there really a "latte grade"? Sorry Starbucks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.68.34 ( talk) 21:58, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Some of the criticisms section seems reasonable, but the article is written partly in the second person and the length of the section suggests serious bias on the part of the author. More balance would be helpful. D-Clancy 04:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
"I agree. While criticism can be informative, in this article it currently takes about three times the space as the general information about the company."
"Much of this seems to come from message boards, which are not considered reliable sources as per WP:A."
It's not a complaint so much as it is an observation. Looking on this article as an outsider, it seems to me to be strongly biased to one point of view. More effort seems to have been put into detailing specific complaints about the company than explaining what the company does. To be a useful Wikipedia article, it needs to be edited to represent a more neutral point of view. Otherwise, the content might be more appropriate for a personal website or blog.
Regarding the material which is sourced from the message boards, truth is not the issue. As stated in WP:A, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." For all I know, it could all be true, every word. Yet even if I knew firsthand its veracity, that would still not be enough to qualify it for inclusion in Wikipedia. Wikipedia demands reliable sources, preferably secondary in nature. Unfortunately, it does not consider Internet bulletin boards to be reliable. -- GentlemanGhost 13:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
The information in this page is misleading. CGC grades counterfeit books. Cy-Fi ( talk) 20:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Why the blatant puffery? "This is another valuable service as a good counterfeit can be hard to detect even by a trained eye." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.68.34 ( talk) 18:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The reason edited this section was because of the way it was phrased using the second person. It sounded like advertising copy taken directly from the company's site (and indeed included a link to the website). "You can do this...", "You can do that...". This is not an encyclopedic tone. The way that it is phrased now (including the subsequent edit after mine) is much better. Also, I think linking to CGC's website in the lead section is unnecessary as there is already a link to it in the "External links" section. -- GentlemanGhost 17:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the "Wizard Age" label controversy, this section was phrased very badly. Nothing that is worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia should need the preface "This is a true story." That it is "corroborated by Moondog" is hardly a ringing endorsement. Moreover, Internet bulletin boards are considered "self-publishing" and consequently are not considered to be reliable sources. I don't object to the content per se, but if it is to be included, it needs a better source and it needs to be rephrased. -- GentlemanGhost 17:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Another editor questioned whether this company was truly notable enough for Wikipedia. I think that it is, but there isn't much currently in the article to back that up. I added a quote from Robert Overstreet to help establish notability. Another thing that might help is a verifiable source regarding the relationship between Wizard Magazine and CGC. Wizard features CGC and CGC-graded comics in its monthly price guide, but as I am not a subscriber, I am not sure when this began or what the exact nature of the partnership is. If someone has a reference that would clarify this, I think it would add to the argument of notability. -- GentlemanGhost 00:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is really starting to shape up. Thank you!
Doubtless, you will have noticed, however, that I tagged it as POV again. This is for many of the same reasons as before. The criticism section is still much larger than the basic information about the company. This gives undue weight to that point of view. Many of these criticisms still come from message boards, which are not considered reliable sources. It could all be true, but that's not the point. The point is verifiability. Assertions made by a poster on a message board are impossible to verify. Indeed, it's not even possible to verify that a poster is who he or she claims to be. For this reason, message boards are not considered acceptable sources for Wikipedia. Removing some these unverifiable assertions will help to whittle down the overlong criticism section. -- GentlemanGhost 00:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
All this said, there are still elements of controversy missing from the discussion. I've lost the link (otherwise I'd have added it) but there was a published article critical of the CGC idea, in which a noted comic book expert criticizes the idea of "slabbing", saying it has changed comic book collecting to wall art collecting since slabbing does not allow the interior of comics to be viewed. I agree that commenting on speculators needs a bit stronger of a source; anecdotally I have heard this and in fact there is visual evidence in the 2007 Overstreet book which includes an illustration of a CGC-slabbed 2005-dated Action Comics #824, which Overstreet lists at being worth only $2.50 in top condition. Even at the cheapest CGC pricing option, the cost of getting it shipped and graded and slabbed far outweighs the stated cost of the comic; obviously speculation that someday Action 824 will be worth substantially more is under way here. Unfortunately we can't speculate ourselves as to the motives (that would be OR, plus we don't know if the slabbed comic might not be autographed or have some defect increasing its value), but it is a piece of possible evidence anyway. 23skidoo 13:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
"much dead on about the whole criticism section (which BTW, is way too long)" How can it be too long when it's all true? Should we edit out the truth for stylistic purposes? Please, all you worriers, write a section or two to balance out the Criticism section, I beg you. Then we can focus on the real problems... put up or shut up, you might say... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonewert ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we should talk about this on the talk page? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 07:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Most of our refs don't look reliable. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 19:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Jesus christ, thank you! Somebody finally gets what I have been saying for a year. The refs are reliable, 100%! It "appears that this website is owned by CCG/CGC" - holy crap, you finally figured that out? You gotta be a retard not to know that. Do you guys even collect comics? You don't seem to know much. I told you like a year ago, there is NO reasonable doubt. If it's posted by "Sborock" w/ the name in green, it is Steve Borock. PERIOD. Just spend a day or two actually reading the Board, and it will be as obvious as the facts I've presented. Have you guys ever even been there? Posted there? If you did, you'd know that this is part of CGC's policy/strategy. They put important info on the chat boards, and ONLY on the chatboards, on purpose. If they were really altruistic and slabbing books to "help the hobby, save the buyer from getting ripped off", they would've released this info to Wizard, CBG, newsarama, etc. Wake up! Or read up. Anything to educate you guys and I can quit this edit war.
Although the page as it is now is a step in the right direction. I will always put the Ewert info back in b/c IT'S THE FRIGGIN' TRUTH! VERIFIED BY CGC! Want proof? Call their toll-free number - 1-877-NMCOMIC and get the info, if you're not too lazy. As it is now, the info is smaller than I would like, one or two sentences, but that's better that editing it out completely.
Do you guys ever make any actual contributions, or do you just sit there editing out the truth? Write some pro-CGC sections to balance the article, ya hypocrites! Truthy McStupid ( talk) 02:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Just as I thought, you guys aren't even comic book fans. Someone didn't even know CGC started in New Jersey. Sad little boys, pretending you're "in charge" of something. I'm doing what's morally right for the comic community, you guys can keep aiding and abetting the scammers and scum of the comic industry. And you can't stop me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.35 ( talk) 04:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Below me. It's not necessarily a moral crusade, but it's turned into a crusade against scab-pickers like you. I'll ask you again - do you even know anything about CGC at all? No, you know Wiki style formats and what's technically not allowed. You're like the balloonknot in middle school who says, after the bell rings, - "Teacher, you forgot to give us homework". Maybe I should just wipe out the page - then you'll have nothing to stroke it to. "oh yeah... oh yeah... I'm gonna edit that out... oooooh yeah, that's how I like it" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.35 ( talk) 03:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the Criticism section NPOV? There has been an ongoing edit war regarding it. A previous iteration of the article might be good for comparison. For example, this one.
These are just my opinion, not a GA review or anything, so feel free to ignore.
Overall, think this page is looking pretty good. If you're looking for respectibility, I think you're almost there. If you're looking for a GA, I'd talk to the reviewers a bit about how they're going to grade the forum refs before submitting it. I have a feeling they would have an opinion on it, but I don't know what that would be. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 01:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks like there's been a template on the article for quite some time about possible POV problems. Are there still concerns with the article? Shell babelfish 22:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Can someone point out where on wikipedia's policies or guidelines it says that you can't have a controversy section on an article?
[4] The section even has an {{
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the Wikipedia:TONE#Tone style guideline where it says that the lead should "include mention of notable criticism or controversies" and "They should provide an overview of the main points the article will make, (...) including its more important controversies, if there are any."
If the section is not correctly written then the solution is not deleting it all but rewriting it. If the sources are not good then you should try to change them for others and delete the really bad ones.
The "Grading" subsection is very negative and should be moved out of criticism and include both the Comics Guaranty's LLC definition of grading and positive statements about grading (I suppose there must be some somewhere!) -- Enric Naval ( talk) 22:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Since we seem to be back to a spate of IP addresses who have a bone to pick with the subject and continue to reinsert material against clear consensus, I've semi-protected for a bit. Shell babelfish 02:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
While it is true that the green lable is used to note that a special damaging feature is part of the comic it is also important to point out that if there is a signature on a comic that wasn't witnessed by a CGC Rep. the comic is given this "special" label. The truth is I'm not sure how far this extends since on their website it makes a comment about Certificates of authenticity being hard to confirm. This should be noted however since based on this someone would think that a comic with a green lable must have a horrible deficiancy where it might just have an unconfirmed signature.
This is the website that has the info: http://www.cgccomics.com/grading/label_description.asp
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinderhaulf ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 27 January 2009
It was reliably sourced, the information came directly from the president of CGC. These guys just pick and choose what rules to enforce when, when it suits them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.6 ( talk) 12:21, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
As a Wikipedia user with no specific knowledge of comic collecting, I find the Process table confusing. It is stated that CGC grades material from 0.5 to 10, then Definitions defines what A, P, S, M and E denote, but below that is given an example grading "VF/NM 9.0". I'm going to induce that NM is near mint, but am I to guess what VF is or why it is there? 121.45.247.24 ( talk) 20:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
One of the most obvious criticisms is that the CGC practice is the ultimate objectification and de-artification of the comic/magazine being graded, because it is sealed permanently and will never be read/viewed again except for the cover. All of the story and interior art are essentially sealed forever for all intents and purposes, as if there were no writer or non-cover artists. One might as well just encase it in Lucite like a bug in amber. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 06:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
See, here's more misinformation that would've easily been refuted when this page was informative. A comic is not permanently sealed in the slab, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.6 ( talk) 12:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Coming back a month and half after I last commented, the piece still appears to be written to lend CGC an imprimatur of acceptance and authoritativeness that it doesn't really have. There are a large number of criticisms from a large number of critics. I've been collecting for 30ish years and I can't even begin to estimate the number of collectors who feel that CGC and its few imitators are a terrible idea, rip offs, a grievous insult to everyone but the cover artists, easy to fool, a cynical way to make a quick buck off of collectors who don't know better, grotesquely skewing comics values, causing older comics to be less critically graded, and so on, and so forth. While the "Criticisms" section hasn't been deleted again lately, and I think it's important that the lead itself continue to note that the company and the idea are controversial, the Overstreet quote in the lead isn't reliable, as he is not an independent source, but takes lots and lots of advertising money from them, has worked directly with them (some say effectively under their thumb) to revise the comics grading standards to the new 3rd Edition specifications, and otherwise has direct ties to the company. His statement is comparable to a paid "blurb" on the back of a paperback novel. How many comic stores don't even carry any CGC items at all (other than recent acquisitions that happened to come in with a purchased collection)? Lots of them. The article of course should not be an attack piece, but it shouldn't be a puff piece either. And I've seen up above that there's been some disputation, with some editors saying online forums cannot be used as sources here, at all, ever. This isn't actually true. An online forum can easily and obviously be a reliable source (sometimes the most reliable) for the fact that a controversy exists and what its details are, when it is a live record of that controversy in action. They just aren't reliable for statements of fact that need independent verification, like how CGC operates, what its revenues are, etc. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 18:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm not married to a point of view if you can prove me wrong, but I am married to the truth. Seems you have some kind of agenda, what with the way you edit out stuff without verifying it. If you took a few minutes to check this stuff out (like I've been begging you fools for years to do) you'd change your "not married" POV. If you had done this to start with, you wouldn't look so hypocritical, saying first that chatboards don't count and now saying they do. If you had just taken my advice years ago no one would know what a Dumas you are.
And cheated by CGC? WTF are you talking about, that doesn't even make sense. Just trying to find some reason to invalidate my relevant and valid research. I've never been "cheated by CGC" and never will be - what does that even mean?
What's your name on the CGC Board? I'd love to read your brilliant contributions. Or are your only contributions to the comic world deleting other's informative and verified true statements? 66.217.176.2 ( talk) 00:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I am very familiar with CGC, I have not submitted books to be graded, but I have purchased some from eBay and comic shops. I have never sold a cgc graded book as I collect not profit, in fact I have not sold a comic in 15 years. At a glance this article appears to lack NPOV. The criticism section is large encompasses more than 1/2 the article. Then something like CGC is locked for edits REALLY!?! Well there is your sign. This page screams NPOV. I am familiar with some of the topics including grading inconsistencies, but I also noticed certain element have been excluded from the article such as how a CGC graded book vs a non-graded book can be more valuable, especially in terms of a high grade. This is in terms of both the market effects of things such as eBay, Craigslist, and other online sites. As well as brick and mortar stores. Also little mention is made of the pros of grading. Verified signature, reliable 3rd party grading vs a seller who has more vested and benefit in a self imposed and likely exaggerated grade. No mention on article is made of Wizard magazine having the graded section for several years. Basically this article extensively expands on the cons of grading, but very little on the pros, especially of cgc or competitor PGX. Personally I don't like restored books and many people try to restored to increase value, things such as page bleaching, trimming, staple replacing, and even counter fitting are all to common especially when money is involved. CGC has benefits and not everyone is for or against, but this article clearly has been edited lacking a NPOV. No mention of the potential benefits at all really!?, Really!?. No mention of CGX, no mentioned of higher prices on ebay. Mile high comics is not the authority on prices and neither is overstreet, overstreet is just a guide. A book is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So lets cleanup this article, the fact that something as non-mainstream and not a political page such as this needs to be locked for edits should be a flag for concern. may even need to initiate a full community discussion on this page, many some mediation. The criticism section is generally fine, a tad large for this article. Also why no pros such as the few I mentioned. I will let this ferment for a little bit them I am tagging NPOV. I plan on also expanding the article to mention some of the pros with reliable 3rd party sources. I would advise to throughly read the NPOV guide and then please lets discuss.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 21:16, 7 August 2011 (UTC) After a through review of the content and citations. there is several problems. While the criticisms definitely hold some water, I think are way to expanded. The criticisms section is also lacking reliable citations. A lot of citations are from collectors society chat boards. Collectors society falls under 2 issues, Primary Sources and Internet forum postings which are deemed not acceptable by wiki policy. 0pen$0urce ( talk) 21:14, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Aside from a strong notion of lacking NPOV, the criticism section lacks reliable references as tagged since 2008. Forums are deemed not acceptable by wikipedia. Most of the references were from collectors society forum board which has 2 glaring issues, one is the reference is coming from the primary source, another is citing a forum.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC) i am going to try to source some of this information, but I think the criticism section could be written better and summarized. A lot of the questionable material begins with something a former or current president did, then followup up with un-sourced opinion of reaction from a forum. I will make a light attempt to source that material, if not reliable source can be found within wiki guidelines, delete. This section has be tagged regarding the references for 3 years now and it appears little has been address this tag. Raises concerns to the intentions of some editors.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
GentlemanGhost, you make an excellent point. I'll look into the references, just want to make sure they support the information. I am fine with the overall concept of the criticisms, but the section needs work. Some of the information appears to be an elaboration or paraphrase of something from a CGC forum and is a double fault as a forum is being heavily used for a reference and that forum falls into the Primary sources realm. -- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Here is Wikipedia's policy on self-published sources:
Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves (Shortcut: WP:SELFSOURCE)
Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:
The CGC message boards count as a self-published source. As such, we can use information from these message boards within the limits described above. The article has already been changed to address at least one complaint about on the self-serving point. If we do use the CGC message boards as a source, we should only use messages from CGC employees that pertain to their company, not those which make claims about third parties, such as customers or other companies. And, as stated, the article needs to be based primarily on reliable sources, not self-published sources. On this count, the article has been fairly lopsided. Adding more information from the NY Times article or the Chicago article (or new articles) would help to balance this out, as would reducing the amount of detail in the criticism section which is based on the message boards. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 22:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Somewhat taken on this article as short-term project as I observed some significant information missing such as several CGC graded books setting price records at auctions in the past year. This fact provides both relevance and notability to this article. Also doing some light cleanup and since the criticisms appears to be the focus of the article I do want to add mention of the lack of UV resistance on the materials used.-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 22:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Well you obviously have an agenda and thus why you are here, I advise reading NPOV which is the root of all edits. Much of the criticisms is un-sourced or very poorly sourced from blogs. I can create a blog to either drum up or complain about anything, however that does not merit it being reference worthy. Not everyone knows about the benefits, that just furthers your agenda. Sorry you don't like CGC, sorry you don't like Wizard, this is not the place to promote opinion. Again NPOV,Also consider making a registered account, your IP is posted which is ill advised. 0pen$0urce ( talk) 17:41, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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The following text from the article appear to be the author's personal opinion and an attack on a named individual to boot. Should probably just be removed completely as it doesn't really add anything to the article.
"Critics say that this policy encourages sellers to press comics without disclosing it to buyers. Steve Borock himself refuses to proactively disclose work done on specific comics. Critics ask: if Pressing is no big deal, why don't sellers proactively disclose it? Because they are worried about leaving money on the table. The greediest pressing/restoration expert is Matt Nelson, who also works for Heritage Auctions (where Steve Borock now works). " 62.107.114.13 ( talk) 21:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Is anybody going to add to or fix this page? Certainly you heard the big Classics Inc/CGC announcement. Plus, the page is really lame, you're missing a bunch of good info. I'd do it myself but, you know, the Nazis got me. You guys talk big but it's time to put your money where your mouth is. Do something! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.2 ( talk) 21:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
And all you've done is prove what a retarded mongoloid you are. All you do is yap yap yap, never contributing anything to this page. You know nothing about CGC apparently, so the only way to feel superior is to edit important stuff out. You're part of the problem... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.176.8 ( talk) 19:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Instead of quoting things that are not relevant to the article (Godwin's law), could you reply to the original question? Does this need to be addressed to someone else in the wikipedia structure who can give a competent answer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.72.198 ( talk) 22:13, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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A signed book has the potential to valued more than the same book in equal condition
should be ( could someone fix the grammar? )
A signed book has the potential to be valued more than the same book in equal condition
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Hi. I work for CGC Comics and we would like to remove any reference to our company President as it is inaccurate. The reference appears in two places (see below).
1) "The company was launched in early 2000 and has since gone on to become a notable part of the comic book collecting community. CGC's current President, Mark Haspel, is also the company's primary grader.[2]"
You could change it to ""The company was launched in early 2000 and has since gone on to become a notable part of the comic book collecting community."
2) "Key people Mark Haspel (President)[1]"
Please just remove the reference as CGC does not currently have a President position.
Also, please remove "18 years ago" after "Founded January 4, 2000; 18 years ago" located in the upper right corner of the page by our logo where the second time the name Mark Haspel appears (see below).
Type Private Industry Collectibles Founded January 4, 2000; 18 years ago Parsippany, New Jersey, U.S. Headquarters Sarasota, Florida, U.S. Area served Worldwide Key people Mark Haspel (President)[1]
If you need further information I can be reached at lauries@cgccomics.com
Thank you! Laurie Lsan242 ( talk) 21:15, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm a CGC representative requesting that "Comics Guaranty" be changed to "Certified Guaranty Company". This appears to be correct everywhere except for the very top title section for the company. Thanks! JSnyderCGCComics ( talk) 15:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
CGC has been banned from E4 due to Astroturfing. Please see evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKSXBt-AXCo&ab_channel=SolemnYuGiOh , https://efour.proboards.com/thread/21152/cgc-employees-astroturfing-e4?page=4 , https://the-comic-book-forum.boards.net/thread/1615/cgc-employees-permanently-banned-astroturfing?page=1&scrollTo=84480 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1FC0:2480:4DCD:8668:54B8:EA2F ( talk) 18:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
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Comics Guaranty → Certified Guaranty Company – This is the correct name of the company that this article is about (see https://www.CGCcomics.com). It also follows the style within Wikipedia of the page names for CGC's coin-grading affiliate, Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (see /info/en/?search=Numismatic_Guaranty_Corporation), as well as NGC's chief competitor, Professional Coin Grading Service (see /info/en/?search=Professional_Coin_Grading_Service). All three of these companies authenticate, grade and encapsulate collectibles. Limeparade ( talk) 15:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I emailed your company at one point or another asking cgc how exactly I go about grading my comic books that I own in my collection at one point or another I owned the world's finest comics issue 73 through 323. And Adventure Comics 155 to 490, and I wanted advice on how exactly to grade my comic books through cgc. And furthermore I can't believe I would be asked if I'm going to keep them or if I'm going to be selling them. What difference does it make if I intend to keep them or sell them? Furthermore since when should I subscribe to your website in order to grade a comic book in my collection since I'm having to pay for the comic book to be graded to begin with having to pay a subscription fee for you to do your job seems ridiculous to me. And when does it take 11 months to a year and a half for an individual trained and certified by cgc to grade comic books? Had it took me 11 months to a year and a half to do my job I'd be fired. Then again I probably wouldn't be here right now I'd probably be dead because I was a soldier in Afghanistan as an Army Ranger. And furthermore how many comic books do you grade per day I know I'm curious to know as well as other people, and how is it that comic book stores online are coming across comic books that are sold and very fine condition I often wonder to myself, if perhaps cgc or other comic book grading companies are opening unclaimed comic books that were sent in to be graded. And cgc is sending these comic books individual businesses opening up selling them to us once again only to be resubmitted to faten their pockets, with a fresh submittal fee to not only faten their pockets but the business as well. And I have one other question for cgc cbcs and PGX and my question is if Gary Moser is indicted by the FBI for trimming baseball cards that is considered a hobby is it not but he did it for a financial gain through PSA I get it hey sports card grading company. So when does it become so coincidental that you are able to do the same exact thing to somebody's intellectual property such as a comic book in their collection by trimming it adding color touch, or even trimming only one side of the comic book I've seen stuff happen with cdc's grading that I often wonder to myself if they come up with new scenarios of how to screw over the little man. This is why a dear friend of mine who has passed away recently his name is Neal Adams, once said to me he frowned upon cgc and everything they have done to the industry he worked for he didn't understand why everybody deserved a golden star book why couldn't it be graded for as it lied and why is it that pressing a comic book is not restoration of a comic book are you not manipulating the way the grade is going to be, to increase the value just like Gary Moser? So I wonder first who gave you permission when you are not on the cover as a artist not as the anchor or the writer of the comic book not even the comic book industry DC Marvel has authorized you to do such a thing I bet you artists don't even know that you're doing this thing to their books because I've asked a few of them and they don't know this is going down! And why is it that you charge such a ridiculous amount of money to grade a comic book but you don't have a authenticator to authenticate a signature on site guess what if I submit a sports card to tops or upper deck at signed by Joe Montana they have a signature authenticator on Deck but you don't, why is that? You would think because you're part of the collectibles grading group you would think that you'd have the same standards as PSA Beckett as anyone else who grades cards or comic books and furthermore why is there no price guide for your purple label your green label comic books furthermore I don't think there's a price guide that's free to the general public for even Blue label books people say use eBay, use Heritage auctions. Well if Heritage auctions banned you from using their account how do you price your items are they the ones who make the overstreet price guide so if they put a ban on your account from being able to value your items then how does one get the value of their comic book? And it's sad to say that I've owned in my collection several vintage video games being a collector of all things being told by individuals for certain companies you have nothing to value when obviously you do have stuff about you and you going to approach these individuals, and they know your vulnerable because your father had just passed away they know you're disabled and they scrutinize you verbally attack you make you feel less than human this nation I want served as an Army Ranger I couldn't believe my ears. Is this the America I swore to protect is this the America you people stand behind people who antagonize victimized and attack disabled Rangers with TBI and PTSD? Why would we give any of these people our money whenever they can't even give you an honest grade? And why is it that CDC has a term to use for the person grading the comic book such as amateur grader, intermediate grader, professional grader? Why is it necessary for you to charge me 10% of the comic book value if it is so scarce and so vintage such as Superman #1 Batman #1 only for you too place it in a 7.5 graded purple label intermediate graded stating that it needed only the right side page two and three trimmed do you know who's comic book you happen to have grade during this time that individual I believe he said he was 11 years old when you bought that book that was his inspiration to go into the comic book industry to draw Batman at a later time in his life his name is Neal Adams, Neal Adams owned a comic book store as well he also sold on eBay. And furthermore worked all the way to the day he died did he get paid like he should have? He got paid just as much maybe a little bit more by a few thousand dollars as much as a school lunch lady! And doing something he enjoyed doing he grew to leave the house for a Comic-Con with a fake smile cuz he had to be there, and basically grew his passion into certain kind of animosity towards the end because of everything it has become today! People don't collect comic books like they should anymore only old time collectors have collections people of the youth only buy to get it graded to flip it so that they can buy the next big thing and cover the bills having a collection is something of the past and that is sad it's not for the love of the comic book The Joy of the person buying the comic book that is why comic books died before the pandemic and we're always dead and if we want to see change we're going to have to start fixing the people who are infringing their rights desecrating the comic book so the individual can never sell it, that is wrong people! This is just my opinion on the matter and furthermore my opinion on the matter why is it that you can't give a military discount we fought for your country didn't we I'm on a fixed income can't grade cause it's too overpriced no enjoyment for me I guess that's just my opinion! Apocalypsegamer ( talk) 06:24, 29 October 2022 (UTC)