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This is a section that has been set up to discuss the deletion of the properly sourced Cerritos, California#City Council Controversy section, since User:Publicdefender99, who keeps deleting the information, has asked "perhaps we can come to some kind of an agreement?". Blank Verse 08:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
The coverage of the controversy should stay in the article because it has been discussed during at least two city council meetings, the information is all in pubic records and had been properly cited, and the controversy has even made front page coverage in the Long Beach Press-Telegram (see Ethical issues dog Hu as Nov. election nears). On the other hand, the coverage is currently unbalanced. As I wrote at User talk:Publicdefender99#Hey!: "As for coming "to some kind of an agreement": The Press-Telegram article includes Grace Hu's explanations, so you can include a paragraph on those explanations in the Cerritos, California#City Council Controversy section, and then properly cite the LB P-T article." Blank Verse 08:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that those interested in seeing how a city article should be written, see San Francisco, California. Go check its "Government" section. You'll find no micro-detailed city government listing nor will you find any mention of the umpteen squillion political dustups in the city's history. None of them are encyclopedic enough to merit a mention in the main article. I suggest that this one does not, either. FCYTravis 10:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Why do I think that slmost all of the City Image seciton does not belong? The Cerritos, California article could become a Wikipedia Featured article, although it it has failed FA reviews twice so far. Part of the reason for that failure is that the article is currently H-U-G-E, and reads more like a cross between a Chamber of Commerce promotional brochure, a city manager's report, and a school report. Among other things, the article needs some serious NPOVing to reduce the PR language in the article to help turn it into an encyclopedia article. There is also quite a bit of information that is extraneous and can be excised. For just one example, the entire paragraph on Advisory boards is unnecessary. Almost every city has them. For more examples, almost every section that also has its own article (e.g. Cerritos Auto Square and Los Cerritos Center) need to be pared down, as well as given a better explanation of why the subject of that section is important to the city of Cerritos.
So what is specifically wrong with the City Image section? Part of it is the PR language (e.g. "meticulously maintaining lawns of neglectful residents"), and excessive detail ("Restricting store signage that is not lit well at night and fall on top of an opaque background").
There are a few things in that section that are pretty unusual for entire cities, such as the outlawing drive-through windows and the parking prohibitions (although similar restrictions can be found in planned communities and gated communities). I would support cutting the section down to two or three of those items, then finding proper citations to support the fact that the ordinaces are unusual, and then finding a better title for that section. Blank Verse 07:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove entire sections. That is considered vandalism (yes, even if you originally wrote the section -- BTW the section has evolved since you originally wrote it). The ordinances mentioned in the section make Cerritos unique among the surrounding cities (and for that matter most cities in the world). I can equally challenge you to discuss what specific ordinances would you like to remove from the section, that you think are superflous. -- Banana Republic 08:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a list of cities that have already qualified as Featured articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities#Wikipedia featured articles. Two California cities have already achived FA status, San Francisco, California and San Jose, California. It would be nice to see a city from Southern California also achive FA status.
If you look at the Cerritos, California Todo list, there is a very long list of issues from the Peer review and Featured article candidate processes.
Besides those issues, I think there several of the photos in the Cerritos article came from the official City of Cerritos website. Those images are copyrighted and also don't qualify for use on the Wikipedia under the tightened guidelines for Fair use on the English-language Wikipedia. Any of the photos that can be identified as coming from the Cerritos website should be reported as copyright violations, and then attempts should be made to find replacements for them. Blank Verse 08:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Does this include people who were born here, but now live elsewhere? If not, there isn't really anywhere to put them. Ygoloxelfer 16:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9655054&CFID=15729487&CFTOKEN=39271809 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AllyUnion ( talk • contribs) 22:32, August 21, 2007 (UTC).
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While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives ( talk) 00:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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Just FYI, but there are a few broken links to images that were maybe deleted. -- Blemo 23 ɸ TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS • EMAIL • MESSAGE 05:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
"At its peak, the City produced more dairy than any other place in the nation, surpassing even the entire state of Wisconsin." Really? A city of 8.9 sq miles produced more dairy than a state of 65,000 sq miles? I could believe that California produces more dairy than Wisconsin (it actually does), and that Cerritos was the single largest dairy producing city in CA (no idea if this is true), but there's no way one small city surpasses the entire state of Wisconsin. This fact is unsourced, and I'm removing it. 192.104.39.2 ( talk) 19:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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This is a section that has been set up to discuss the deletion of the properly sourced Cerritos, California#City Council Controversy section, since User:Publicdefender99, who keeps deleting the information, has asked "perhaps we can come to some kind of an agreement?". Blank Verse 08:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
The coverage of the controversy should stay in the article because it has been discussed during at least two city council meetings, the information is all in pubic records and had been properly cited, and the controversy has even made front page coverage in the Long Beach Press-Telegram (see Ethical issues dog Hu as Nov. election nears). On the other hand, the coverage is currently unbalanced. As I wrote at User talk:Publicdefender99#Hey!: "As for coming "to some kind of an agreement": The Press-Telegram article includes Grace Hu's explanations, so you can include a paragraph on those explanations in the Cerritos, California#City Council Controversy section, and then properly cite the LB P-T article." Blank Verse 08:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that those interested in seeing how a city article should be written, see San Francisco, California. Go check its "Government" section. You'll find no micro-detailed city government listing nor will you find any mention of the umpteen squillion political dustups in the city's history. None of them are encyclopedic enough to merit a mention in the main article. I suggest that this one does not, either. FCYTravis 10:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Why do I think that slmost all of the City Image seciton does not belong? The Cerritos, California article could become a Wikipedia Featured article, although it it has failed FA reviews twice so far. Part of the reason for that failure is that the article is currently H-U-G-E, and reads more like a cross between a Chamber of Commerce promotional brochure, a city manager's report, and a school report. Among other things, the article needs some serious NPOVing to reduce the PR language in the article to help turn it into an encyclopedia article. There is also quite a bit of information that is extraneous and can be excised. For just one example, the entire paragraph on Advisory boards is unnecessary. Almost every city has them. For more examples, almost every section that also has its own article (e.g. Cerritos Auto Square and Los Cerritos Center) need to be pared down, as well as given a better explanation of why the subject of that section is important to the city of Cerritos.
So what is specifically wrong with the City Image section? Part of it is the PR language (e.g. "meticulously maintaining lawns of neglectful residents"), and excessive detail ("Restricting store signage that is not lit well at night and fall on top of an opaque background").
There are a few things in that section that are pretty unusual for entire cities, such as the outlawing drive-through windows and the parking prohibitions (although similar restrictions can be found in planned communities and gated communities). I would support cutting the section down to two or three of those items, then finding proper citations to support the fact that the ordinaces are unusual, and then finding a better title for that section. Blank Verse 07:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove entire sections. That is considered vandalism (yes, even if you originally wrote the section -- BTW the section has evolved since you originally wrote it). The ordinances mentioned in the section make Cerritos unique among the surrounding cities (and for that matter most cities in the world). I can equally challenge you to discuss what specific ordinances would you like to remove from the section, that you think are superflous. -- Banana Republic 08:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a list of cities that have already qualified as Featured articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities#Wikipedia featured articles. Two California cities have already achived FA status, San Francisco, California and San Jose, California. It would be nice to see a city from Southern California also achive FA status.
If you look at the Cerritos, California Todo list, there is a very long list of issues from the Peer review and Featured article candidate processes.
Besides those issues, I think there several of the photos in the Cerritos article came from the official City of Cerritos website. Those images are copyrighted and also don't qualify for use on the Wikipedia under the tightened guidelines for Fair use on the English-language Wikipedia. Any of the photos that can be identified as coming from the Cerritos website should be reported as copyright violations, and then attempts should be made to find replacements for them. Blank Verse 08:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Does this include people who were born here, but now live elsewhere? If not, there isn't really anywhere to put them. Ygoloxelfer 16:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9655054&CFID=15729487&CFTOKEN=39271809 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AllyUnion ( talk • contribs) 22:32, August 21, 2007 (UTC).
The following is unsourced information:
While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives ( talk) 00:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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Just FYI, but there are a few broken links to images that were maybe deleted. -- Blemo 23 ɸ TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS • EMAIL • MESSAGE 05:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
"At its peak, the City produced more dairy than any other place in the nation, surpassing even the entire state of Wisconsin." Really? A city of 8.9 sq miles produced more dairy than a state of 65,000 sq miles? I could believe that California produces more dairy than Wisconsin (it actually does), and that Cerritos was the single largest dairy producing city in CA (no idea if this is true), but there's no way one small city surpasses the entire state of Wisconsin. This fact is unsourced, and I'm removing it. 192.104.39.2 ( talk) 19:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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