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Not that I am a fan, but the Liberal Party of Canada has a social liberal agenda, supports government intervention in areas such as child care, healthcare, and public broadcasting. They might not be as progressive as the NDP, but I think that since the end of the Jean Chretien era anyway centre-left is a term that describes them accurately. I don't overly like the fact that this article exists as in many cases the distinction between centre-left and left of centre can be blured. Take for example the NDP, historically a democratic socialist party, considered by most to be on the Left, opposes globalization and supports an expansion of government services and regulation, yet on the other hand provincially in British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario at various times in government has followed a very centrist agenda. Maybe this article should be merged? ( Canadianpunk77 03:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC))
Also to call the Democratic Party U.S.A., "centre-left" is a bit of a stretch. Perhaps if Howard Dean were their presidential candidate? Social policies and economic policies cannot be measured the same way and as far as economic policies are concerned the Democrats favoured fairly conservative fiscal policies at least during the Clinton era. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadianpunk77 ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
This should be merged into Left-Right politics. -- Kaihsu 17:12, 2004 Mar 1 (UTC)
I also think that it should be merged with Left-Right politics the blurring of distinctions between Left and Centre-Left makes the list of "centre-left" political parties on this article misleading and confusing. Take for example the NDP, currently if you look at ideology the BC NDP, Yukon NDP, Alberta New Democrats, Ontario NDP and Maritime parties all have leftwing, democratic socialist agendas while the Saskatchewan and Manitoba NDP's are very firmly planted in the centre. The NDP has gone back and forth from supporting strong government intervention and regulation, not too mention a large social safety net to supporting "competetive" taxation and spending restraint on social programs. The same contrasts exist within the British Labour Party, French Socialist Party, German Social Democrats, Australian Labor Party, even the African National Congress not too mention numerous others. Besides democratic socialists favour a gradual move towards public ownership, should they really be listed as belonging to the centre-left? ( Canadianpunk77 03:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC))
This just doesn't make any sense. And it is all wrong. Like Norway. The Norwegian Red-Green Coalition and the Labour Party itself are not center-left. They are left-wing.
Yeah I also think that the Red Green Coalition should be removed, the Norwegian Labour Party may consider itself to be centre-left, but I highly doubt that the Socialist Left Party would refer to themselves as such! ( Canadianpunk77 03:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC))
I removed the Libertarian Party from the list of center-left parties. While they do uphold many of the same viewpoints about civil liberties, their fiscal policies are completely inconsistent with "center-left" ideology. Many Libertarians also dislike the simplistic notion of a left-right spectrum, which is why they represent themselves on a graph with both a social freedom and a fiscal freedom axis. Therefore, despite their social views, it is likely that Libertarians would take issue with their inclusion on this list. Rob Shepard 10:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
The Socialist Party USA supports the gradual nationalization of the American economy and creation of a socialist state. That makes them a party of the Left, not the centre-left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 ( talk) 16:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone please explain to me how the Republican Party is a mixture of centre right and right-wing but the Democratic Party is so balanced between centre left and centre right. What makes someone right-wing and what makes someone left-wing? And you say Dennis Kucinich is centre left??? I respect your opinion, but I just have a really hard time believing Dennis Kucinich is anything but left-wing. What credible source do you have to support your claim?-- Lucky Mitch ( talk) 22:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
So in your opinion, what issues/beliefs make someone left-wing and are there any major left-wing politicians in the United States?-- Lucky Mitch 02:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, so you're saying that a left-winger is automatically a socialist? So is a right-winger automatically a facist?-- Lucky Mitch 03:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
You're right I do know that fascism is not the opposite of socialism. I was merely trying to set you up to see if I couldn't catch you on it, but I see you know better. You put up a very persuasive argument. But I still have another question; wouldn't it make more sense to say that the Democratic Party is a mixture of centre and centre left? I mean Rudy Giuliani shares some left-leaning ideals but I don't think that would make him centre left or even centre. I just fail to see how Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or some of the other Democratic politicians of the United States could fit into the centre right position. Forgive me for sounding stubborn; I really am open to what you're saying-- Lucky Mitch 16:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Left-wing does not mean the same thing as far left, it includes both the far left and the center-left so right off the bat saying a party is "a mixture between center-left and left-wing" doesn't even make sense. Many of these comments next to the party names are both uncited and highly debateable. Also, a party can only be in one spot on the political spectrum. A party may have some different tendencies but it lands in the general center-left or far left area thus it can only be either center-left or far left not a mixture of any kind.-- Lucky Mitch ( talk) 02:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Should defunct parties like the US Natural Law Party remain on the list? levin-bj84 18:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
In the list of parties nationally, why is Northern Ireland seperate from United Kingdom? If you list them as two seperate entities, the UK should be refered to as Great britain. United Kingdom is the name of two kingdoms United - Britain and ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.35.211 ( talk) 17:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Northern Ireland politics is unique from mainland British politics, it's doesn't share the main centre-left party (Labour) as the rest of Great Britain, ditto with the centre-right parties and the centrist 'liberal' party. -- 92.21.61.190 ( talk) 12:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I find it laughable that the Democratic Party is considered a centre-left party. Maybe back in the days of FDR but for the most part it's a moderate/liberal Republican party. Most New Democrats are Rockafeller Republicans. Bill Clinton moved the party to the right and today is widely supported by big business and Wall Street. No Centre-left party would've enacted NAFTA, reformed Welfare and staffed their cabinet with Wall Street types. Not gonna happen. And finally the new London mayor, Boris Johnson, a LIBERTARIAN, actually sought out advise from former CLINTON people on economic policy. It turns out that in most nations, the Clintons and the Democratic party are seen as centre-right.
The Democratic Party is a centrist party at most.
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I'd also suggest to stop the soapboxing. Most western left/centre left major parties have become far more economically liberalised. The 'centre' has shifted, centre-left and centre-right are relative. Timeshift ( talk) 23:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry but how are the Democrats Centre-left? they are well to the right of other Centre-left parties in the world, and on this list. -- 92.8.29.116 ( talk) 23:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
In any first world country other than the US, the United States Democratic Party would be classified as a center-right party. All of the other political parties on the list that I'm familiar with are so far to the left of the USDP that including it on the list makes a mockery of grouping parties from various countries together. Even comparing it to the US Green Party, the USDP is a notably conservative party. Simply because political discussion in the US is so limited that, by the standards of US politics, the USDP is a center-left party and the GOP is center-right, does not mean that this is true in comparison to other political parties worldwide. 64.178.115.134 ( talk) 18:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there is room for a re-think on the greens been placed on the list, certaintly many of there detracters (liberal party) would call them 'dangerous' socialists, is there someone who can confirm this or confirm as to why they make the list cheers -- Mdavies 965 ( talk) 10:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC) matt
This article appears to be entirely original research. Does anyone have any source that there is a specific ideology or group of political parties called center-left? Mostly when the term center-left is used, it refers to a coaltion between a centrist and a leftist party. The Four Deuces ( talk) 16:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Why has the list of parties been removed? -- Welshsocialist ( talk) 21:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
What about the centre-right page? -- Welshsocialist ( talk) 16:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I removed text with the notation "remove text not supported by sources or irrelevant" and an editor restored it with the notation "rv - you cant just remove countries like that just because the definition mightn't suit you." Please note that I did not remove the text because I did not like it but because it did not support the claims it was supposed to support. Since this article is about the "center-left". sources used to support the inclusion of parties as center-left should actually say that they are center-left. The Four Deuces ( talk) 02:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
There are various sources on this and other websites as well as in mainstream media and society that refer to the term "leftt-of-centre/center". Would it not be a good idea to include a new section in the main article to define the concept? It seems necessary to me because the terms "centre-leftt", "leftt-of-centre" and "left-wing", while sounding similar, describe materially different political positions. For example, in the European Parliament, there is the centre-left Party of European Socialists (PES) group, the left-of-centre European Green Party (EGP) and the left-wing Party of the European Left (EL). Each of these groups ideologies diverge significantly from on another, as such I believe it would be wise if terms used to describe said ideologies left little room for ambiguity. The term "left-of-centre" could also possibly include some of the parties in the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe Party (ALDE) group as well as parties from elsewhere in the world that subscribe to certain schools of Liberalism. What I would like to see is the political spectrum content on Wikipedia include stand-alone articles for "Left-of-centre politics" as well as "Right-of-centre politics" alongside the established main poltical positions. Though, an alternative, and potentially better solution, seeing as they are both fairly short, could be for the articles Centre-left and Centre-right politics to be expanded and respectively renamed "Centre-left/Left-of-centre politics" and "Centre-right/Right-of-centre politics". If you agree with me, I would appreciate any assistance in this endeavour. MBFCPresident ( talk) 19:59, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
The following appears wholely inadequate to differentiate itself from other viewpoints. "The centre-left opposes a wide gap between the rich and the poor and supports moderate measures to reduce the economic gap, such as a progressive income tax, laws prohibiting child labour, minimum wage laws, laws regulating working conditions, limits on working hours and laws to ensure the workers' right to organize.[2]"
The centre-right could also be said to also oppose a wide gap between rich and poor and its policies to better shrink it. Witness the much greater income gaps in Blue States than Red, Socialist Countries than Capitalist. Labor laws are supported by many parties of various degrees of right-left as being just.
It seems that rather than policies, there must be principles that can be used to describe their relationships. For example, the Far Left advocates for Government ownership of companies and properties. Center-Left believes in private property, heavy regulation of corporations, partial government ownership of land, and a strong presence in morality. The Center Right believes in protecting the rights of individuals by the rule of law and light regulation of industry, and cultural permissiveness. The Far Right advocates for a government strictly occupied by foreign relations (including military) and strong individualism. ( Barca 23:54, 24 November 2019 (UTC))
Why is this article in British English? Why does wikipedia seem dominated by British English? 68.96.84.98 ( talk) 17:27, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Why is the list of centre-left parties here specific to the Anglosphere? Seems like it places WP:UNDUE weight. Wouldn't it make more sense to include centre-left parties from all over the world or just not have that section at all? – ExcellentWheatFarmer ( talk) 23:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add Nepali Congress from Nepal as political party under centre left . 49.244.23.223 ( talk) 11:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Why not use Moden International English, for an International audience? Wikipedia is for everyone, not just that little island or pseudo-continent that still use Victorian-era English. And that's got nothing to do with "American"; it's just the most sensible, modern, and general form of English... 2003:D5:D744:3B00:6D3C:1076:D288:BD07 ( talk) 19:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
IP editor, would you care to explain why in your edit summary, you claimed that there are no sources supporting the claim you removed? That's hard to believe, given that you removed the sources in that very same edit. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 19:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Center-lefts now include a variety of political forces, among them social liberals, social democrats, democratic socialists, progressives, greens, and human rights campaigners.
Often, ideological families, their hybridizations and subcategorizations, are classed as ‘centre-left’ (e.g. social democracy, green ideology, social liberalism, some forms of Christian socialism)
Again checked sources and it totally seems all clear. Democratic socialism, the third way, green politics and Christian democracy are related ideologies to the centre-left, that are sometimes described as centre-left or have centre-left variants, but not the core center left ideologies as it is for example social democracy what is in many sources even used as synonym for. And when there is one section for related ideologies, it fits perfect into. In general, I don't see some big problem about. 109.93.236.194 ( talk) 12:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
In my view, green politics is quintessentially a centre-left ideology. I am not sure that it should be mentioned in the lead of this article, but it is surely more relevant than progressivism, that is quite generic and redundant. The fact that there are green variants like green conservatism (centre-right), green liberalism (centre) and eco-socialism (left-wing) makes even more reasonable to think as green politics as a centre-left ideology. -- Checco ( talk) 13:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
While green politics can stay, I strongly object progressivism, which is not a proper political ideology. The Wikipedia article reads "Progressivism holds that it is possible to improve human societies through political action. As a political movement, progressivism seeks to advance the human condition through social reform based on purported advancements in science, technology, economic development, and social organization. Adherents hold that progressivism has universal application and endeavor to spread this idea to human societies everywhere. Progressivism arose during the Age of Enlightenment out of the belief that civility in Europe was improving due to the application of new empirical knowledge to the governance of society. In modern political discourse, progressivism gets often associated with social liberalism [...]". According to Britannica, progressivism is "in the United States, political and social-reform movement that brought major changes to American politics and government during the first two decades of the 20th century". Thus, progressivism in this article's lead is at best redundant. -- Checco ( talk) 05:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
On the front of the page, there is the logo of Progressive International, a left-wing political international organization. It was created by a variety of very left-wing organizations, such as the isolationist feminist group CodePink, the borderline eco-socialist Sunrise Movement, and the pro- Jeremy Corbyn group Peace and Justice Project, and was founded by the left-wing, pan-European DiEM25 party and The Sanders Institute, pro- Bernie Sanders group founded by his wife, Jane Sanders. While I don't think its far-left, as it isn't particularly revolutionary socialist, Marxist, or anarchist, it is more left-wing compared to many other center-left internationals, such as the social democratic Socialist International or the social liberal and at times social democratic Progressive Alliance. I think either Socialist International or Progressive Alliance would be a better example of a center-left political international. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagyarNavy1918 ( talk • contribs) 18:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Not that I am a fan, but the Liberal Party of Canada has a social liberal agenda, supports government intervention in areas such as child care, healthcare, and public broadcasting. They might not be as progressive as the NDP, but I think that since the end of the Jean Chretien era anyway centre-left is a term that describes them accurately. I don't overly like the fact that this article exists as in many cases the distinction between centre-left and left of centre can be blured. Take for example the NDP, historically a democratic socialist party, considered by most to be on the Left, opposes globalization and supports an expansion of government services and regulation, yet on the other hand provincially in British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario at various times in government has followed a very centrist agenda. Maybe this article should be merged? ( Canadianpunk77 03:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC))
Also to call the Democratic Party U.S.A., "centre-left" is a bit of a stretch. Perhaps if Howard Dean were their presidential candidate? Social policies and economic policies cannot be measured the same way and as far as economic policies are concerned the Democrats favoured fairly conservative fiscal policies at least during the Clinton era. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadianpunk77 ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
This should be merged into Left-Right politics. -- Kaihsu 17:12, 2004 Mar 1 (UTC)
I also think that it should be merged with Left-Right politics the blurring of distinctions between Left and Centre-Left makes the list of "centre-left" political parties on this article misleading and confusing. Take for example the NDP, currently if you look at ideology the BC NDP, Yukon NDP, Alberta New Democrats, Ontario NDP and Maritime parties all have leftwing, democratic socialist agendas while the Saskatchewan and Manitoba NDP's are very firmly planted in the centre. The NDP has gone back and forth from supporting strong government intervention and regulation, not too mention a large social safety net to supporting "competetive" taxation and spending restraint on social programs. The same contrasts exist within the British Labour Party, French Socialist Party, German Social Democrats, Australian Labor Party, even the African National Congress not too mention numerous others. Besides democratic socialists favour a gradual move towards public ownership, should they really be listed as belonging to the centre-left? ( Canadianpunk77 03:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC))
This just doesn't make any sense. And it is all wrong. Like Norway. The Norwegian Red-Green Coalition and the Labour Party itself are not center-left. They are left-wing.
Yeah I also think that the Red Green Coalition should be removed, the Norwegian Labour Party may consider itself to be centre-left, but I highly doubt that the Socialist Left Party would refer to themselves as such! ( Canadianpunk77 03:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC))
I removed the Libertarian Party from the list of center-left parties. While they do uphold many of the same viewpoints about civil liberties, their fiscal policies are completely inconsistent with "center-left" ideology. Many Libertarians also dislike the simplistic notion of a left-right spectrum, which is why they represent themselves on a graph with both a social freedom and a fiscal freedom axis. Therefore, despite their social views, it is likely that Libertarians would take issue with their inclusion on this list. Rob Shepard 10:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
The Socialist Party USA supports the gradual nationalization of the American economy and creation of a socialist state. That makes them a party of the Left, not the centre-left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 ( talk) 16:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone please explain to me how the Republican Party is a mixture of centre right and right-wing but the Democratic Party is so balanced between centre left and centre right. What makes someone right-wing and what makes someone left-wing? And you say Dennis Kucinich is centre left??? I respect your opinion, but I just have a really hard time believing Dennis Kucinich is anything but left-wing. What credible source do you have to support your claim?-- Lucky Mitch ( talk) 22:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
So in your opinion, what issues/beliefs make someone left-wing and are there any major left-wing politicians in the United States?-- Lucky Mitch 02:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, so you're saying that a left-winger is automatically a socialist? So is a right-winger automatically a facist?-- Lucky Mitch 03:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
You're right I do know that fascism is not the opposite of socialism. I was merely trying to set you up to see if I couldn't catch you on it, but I see you know better. You put up a very persuasive argument. But I still have another question; wouldn't it make more sense to say that the Democratic Party is a mixture of centre and centre left? I mean Rudy Giuliani shares some left-leaning ideals but I don't think that would make him centre left or even centre. I just fail to see how Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or some of the other Democratic politicians of the United States could fit into the centre right position. Forgive me for sounding stubborn; I really am open to what you're saying-- Lucky Mitch 16:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Left-wing does not mean the same thing as far left, it includes both the far left and the center-left so right off the bat saying a party is "a mixture between center-left and left-wing" doesn't even make sense. Many of these comments next to the party names are both uncited and highly debateable. Also, a party can only be in one spot on the political spectrum. A party may have some different tendencies but it lands in the general center-left or far left area thus it can only be either center-left or far left not a mixture of any kind.-- Lucky Mitch ( talk) 02:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Should defunct parties like the US Natural Law Party remain on the list? levin-bj84 18:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
In the list of parties nationally, why is Northern Ireland seperate from United Kingdom? If you list them as two seperate entities, the UK should be refered to as Great britain. United Kingdom is the name of two kingdoms United - Britain and ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.35.211 ( talk) 17:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Northern Ireland politics is unique from mainland British politics, it's doesn't share the main centre-left party (Labour) as the rest of Great Britain, ditto with the centre-right parties and the centrist 'liberal' party. -- 92.21.61.190 ( talk) 12:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I find it laughable that the Democratic Party is considered a centre-left party. Maybe back in the days of FDR but for the most part it's a moderate/liberal Republican party. Most New Democrats are Rockafeller Republicans. Bill Clinton moved the party to the right and today is widely supported by big business and Wall Street. No Centre-left party would've enacted NAFTA, reformed Welfare and staffed their cabinet with Wall Street types. Not gonna happen. And finally the new London mayor, Boris Johnson, a LIBERTARIAN, actually sought out advise from former CLINTON people on economic policy. It turns out that in most nations, the Clintons and the Democratic party are seen as centre-right.
The Democratic Party is a centrist party at most.
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I'd also suggest to stop the soapboxing. Most western left/centre left major parties have become far more economically liberalised. The 'centre' has shifted, centre-left and centre-right are relative. Timeshift ( talk) 23:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry but how are the Democrats Centre-left? they are well to the right of other Centre-left parties in the world, and on this list. -- 92.8.29.116 ( talk) 23:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
In any first world country other than the US, the United States Democratic Party would be classified as a center-right party. All of the other political parties on the list that I'm familiar with are so far to the left of the USDP that including it on the list makes a mockery of grouping parties from various countries together. Even comparing it to the US Green Party, the USDP is a notably conservative party. Simply because political discussion in the US is so limited that, by the standards of US politics, the USDP is a center-left party and the GOP is center-right, does not mean that this is true in comparison to other political parties worldwide. 64.178.115.134 ( talk) 18:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there is room for a re-think on the greens been placed on the list, certaintly many of there detracters (liberal party) would call them 'dangerous' socialists, is there someone who can confirm this or confirm as to why they make the list cheers -- Mdavies 965 ( talk) 10:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC) matt
This article appears to be entirely original research. Does anyone have any source that there is a specific ideology or group of political parties called center-left? Mostly when the term center-left is used, it refers to a coaltion between a centrist and a leftist party. The Four Deuces ( talk) 16:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Why has the list of parties been removed? -- Welshsocialist ( talk) 21:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
What about the centre-right page? -- Welshsocialist ( talk) 16:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I removed text with the notation "remove text not supported by sources or irrelevant" and an editor restored it with the notation "rv - you cant just remove countries like that just because the definition mightn't suit you." Please note that I did not remove the text because I did not like it but because it did not support the claims it was supposed to support. Since this article is about the "center-left". sources used to support the inclusion of parties as center-left should actually say that they are center-left. The Four Deuces ( talk) 02:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
There are various sources on this and other websites as well as in mainstream media and society that refer to the term "leftt-of-centre/center". Would it not be a good idea to include a new section in the main article to define the concept? It seems necessary to me because the terms "centre-leftt", "leftt-of-centre" and "left-wing", while sounding similar, describe materially different political positions. For example, in the European Parliament, there is the centre-left Party of European Socialists (PES) group, the left-of-centre European Green Party (EGP) and the left-wing Party of the European Left (EL). Each of these groups ideologies diverge significantly from on another, as such I believe it would be wise if terms used to describe said ideologies left little room for ambiguity. The term "left-of-centre" could also possibly include some of the parties in the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe Party (ALDE) group as well as parties from elsewhere in the world that subscribe to certain schools of Liberalism. What I would like to see is the political spectrum content on Wikipedia include stand-alone articles for "Left-of-centre politics" as well as "Right-of-centre politics" alongside the established main poltical positions. Though, an alternative, and potentially better solution, seeing as they are both fairly short, could be for the articles Centre-left and Centre-right politics to be expanded and respectively renamed "Centre-left/Left-of-centre politics" and "Centre-right/Right-of-centre politics". If you agree with me, I would appreciate any assistance in this endeavour. MBFCPresident ( talk) 19:59, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
The following appears wholely inadequate to differentiate itself from other viewpoints. "The centre-left opposes a wide gap between the rich and the poor and supports moderate measures to reduce the economic gap, such as a progressive income tax, laws prohibiting child labour, minimum wage laws, laws regulating working conditions, limits on working hours and laws to ensure the workers' right to organize.[2]"
The centre-right could also be said to also oppose a wide gap between rich and poor and its policies to better shrink it. Witness the much greater income gaps in Blue States than Red, Socialist Countries than Capitalist. Labor laws are supported by many parties of various degrees of right-left as being just.
It seems that rather than policies, there must be principles that can be used to describe their relationships. For example, the Far Left advocates for Government ownership of companies and properties. Center-Left believes in private property, heavy regulation of corporations, partial government ownership of land, and a strong presence in morality. The Center Right believes in protecting the rights of individuals by the rule of law and light regulation of industry, and cultural permissiveness. The Far Right advocates for a government strictly occupied by foreign relations (including military) and strong individualism. ( Barca 23:54, 24 November 2019 (UTC))
Why is this article in British English? Why does wikipedia seem dominated by British English? 68.96.84.98 ( talk) 17:27, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Why is the list of centre-left parties here specific to the Anglosphere? Seems like it places WP:UNDUE weight. Wouldn't it make more sense to include centre-left parties from all over the world or just not have that section at all? – ExcellentWheatFarmer ( talk) 23:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add Nepali Congress from Nepal as political party under centre left . 49.244.23.223 ( talk) 11:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Why not use Moden International English, for an International audience? Wikipedia is for everyone, not just that little island or pseudo-continent that still use Victorian-era English. And that's got nothing to do with "American"; it's just the most sensible, modern, and general form of English... 2003:D5:D744:3B00:6D3C:1076:D288:BD07 ( talk) 19:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
IP editor, would you care to explain why in your edit summary, you claimed that there are no sources supporting the claim you removed? That's hard to believe, given that you removed the sources in that very same edit. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 19:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Center-lefts now include a variety of political forces, among them social liberals, social democrats, democratic socialists, progressives, greens, and human rights campaigners.
Often, ideological families, their hybridizations and subcategorizations, are classed as ‘centre-left’ (e.g. social democracy, green ideology, social liberalism, some forms of Christian socialism)
Again checked sources and it totally seems all clear. Democratic socialism, the third way, green politics and Christian democracy are related ideologies to the centre-left, that are sometimes described as centre-left or have centre-left variants, but not the core center left ideologies as it is for example social democracy what is in many sources even used as synonym for. And when there is one section for related ideologies, it fits perfect into. In general, I don't see some big problem about. 109.93.236.194 ( talk) 12:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
In my view, green politics is quintessentially a centre-left ideology. I am not sure that it should be mentioned in the lead of this article, but it is surely more relevant than progressivism, that is quite generic and redundant. The fact that there are green variants like green conservatism (centre-right), green liberalism (centre) and eco-socialism (left-wing) makes even more reasonable to think as green politics as a centre-left ideology. -- Checco ( talk) 13:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
While green politics can stay, I strongly object progressivism, which is not a proper political ideology. The Wikipedia article reads "Progressivism holds that it is possible to improve human societies through political action. As a political movement, progressivism seeks to advance the human condition through social reform based on purported advancements in science, technology, economic development, and social organization. Adherents hold that progressivism has universal application and endeavor to spread this idea to human societies everywhere. Progressivism arose during the Age of Enlightenment out of the belief that civility in Europe was improving due to the application of new empirical knowledge to the governance of society. In modern political discourse, progressivism gets often associated with social liberalism [...]". According to Britannica, progressivism is "in the United States, political and social-reform movement that brought major changes to American politics and government during the first two decades of the 20th century". Thus, progressivism in this article's lead is at best redundant. -- Checco ( talk) 05:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
On the front of the page, there is the logo of Progressive International, a left-wing political international organization. It was created by a variety of very left-wing organizations, such as the isolationist feminist group CodePink, the borderline eco-socialist Sunrise Movement, and the pro- Jeremy Corbyn group Peace and Justice Project, and was founded by the left-wing, pan-European DiEM25 party and The Sanders Institute, pro- Bernie Sanders group founded by his wife, Jane Sanders. While I don't think its far-left, as it isn't particularly revolutionary socialist, Marxist, or anarchist, it is more left-wing compared to many other center-left internationals, such as the social democratic Socialist International or the social liberal and at times social democratic Progressive Alliance. I think either Socialist International or Progressive Alliance would be a better example of a center-left political international. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagyarNavy1918 ( talk • contribs) 18:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Alright so right off the bat I’m not seeing any maintenance tags or any other reason to quick fail, so I’m just going to jump right into the article.
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“The centre-left is more likely to support environmental policies over the centre-right, but environmentalism is a relatively low priority issue in electoral politics and this is not a consistent trend.” Could this be rephrased to be more concise? I had to read this a few times to understand what it meant
“By the beginning of the 21st century, the centre-left had almost entirely overtaken farther left groups in politics globally” This should say “further” instead of “farther” as it is not a physical distance — Preceding unsigned comment added by DimensionalFusion ( talk • contribs) 01:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)