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I recommend that this article is combined with the that of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_U.S._population — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khilker ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I am removing the following statement "The centre of world population is in the extreme north of the Indian subcontinent.", because there is no culture-neutral way to determine the borders of the map. 2D maps only work for a territory that does not curve back on itself; we could consider most countries, even continents without taking the curvature of the Earth into account, but we can not examine the Earth as a whole. If we use the map currently seen in Western Europe and the Americas, the Atlantic is in the middle, and the population centre could be in India; older maps in North America put the Americas in the centre, splitting Eurasia, meaning there would be a different centre of population, as all 2.5 billion people living in Asia would be on the extreme left of the map, but all 500 mio. people in Europe would be on the extreme right. The map currently used in much of Asia, however, I believe places Japan/the Pacific in the middle, meaning there would be a third set of borders, and a third population centre. samwaltz ( talk) 20:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this statement from the article: Centroids can be 3D, but for statistical purposes only 2D calculations are published by statistical offices. for not quoting a reference on who specifies such rules, and on whether such rules are universally followed or not. Please quote appropriate references when reinstating. -- Brhaspati\ talk/ contribs 14:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
What's up with this? He "first used" the term in a paper in 1991, yet the US Census has been reporting such a thing since 1790? Doesn't make sense. We should remove this, no? DavidRF ( talk) 04:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
There are quite some mathematical (and otherwise) commentary about calculating the Center of population at http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/01/center-of-population/#comments that would be great to incorporate here! For one thing, there appears to be several useful definitions that give different center points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.156.40 ( talk) 15:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
There was an {{unreferenced}} template on this page from August 2008, but the page now contains footnotes. I've removed the template, but am not sure if the article still lacks sufficient references. Perhaps a {{morefootnotes}} template would be in order? Robert Skyhawk ( Talk) 05:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The text below the map says "Its antipodal point is correspondingly the farthest point from everyone on earth". It's not hard to prove this, but it would be nice to have a reference for it. 89.53.112.139 ( talk) 07:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
"For the particular case of flat maps, the center of population could also be defined as a center of mass (centroid) of the population of the area of interest."
Well, you could define it that way, but then it would be a different point. The centroid does not minimize the average distance, but the average squared distance of all the inhabitants. Same difference as that between mean and median in one dimension. -- Jmk ( talk) 11:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I clicked the link to try and find out what the purpose of a "center of population" is, but its not explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.220.219 ( talk) 02:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
It is claimed without citation that "one could define the centroid directly on a flat map projection; this is, for example, the definition that the US Census Bureau uses." However, the Census Bureau states "To avoid unduly complex factors in the computations, the mathematical formulae used were those that would be precise for a true sphere." [1] I have removed the claim that the US Census Bureau uses this method and re-worded accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albickers ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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Surely someone has used geonames to come up with a more accurate center-of-world-population than the CIA factbook methodology? Barry.carter ( talk) 06:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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I made a map that might suit this article of the center of Population points for European countries. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Center_of_Population_of_European_Countries.png The code and the data are linked to in the description. Might it be worth adding to this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamreddave ( talk • contribs) 10:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus against. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 08:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Center of population → Centre of population – Match article title with article body. Getsnoopy ( talk) 00:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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I recommend that this article is combined with the that of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_U.S._population — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khilker ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I am removing the following statement "The centre of world population is in the extreme north of the Indian subcontinent.", because there is no culture-neutral way to determine the borders of the map. 2D maps only work for a territory that does not curve back on itself; we could consider most countries, even continents without taking the curvature of the Earth into account, but we can not examine the Earth as a whole. If we use the map currently seen in Western Europe and the Americas, the Atlantic is in the middle, and the population centre could be in India; older maps in North America put the Americas in the centre, splitting Eurasia, meaning there would be a different centre of population, as all 2.5 billion people living in Asia would be on the extreme left of the map, but all 500 mio. people in Europe would be on the extreme right. The map currently used in much of Asia, however, I believe places Japan/the Pacific in the middle, meaning there would be a third set of borders, and a third population centre. samwaltz ( talk) 20:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this statement from the article: Centroids can be 3D, but for statistical purposes only 2D calculations are published by statistical offices. for not quoting a reference on who specifies such rules, and on whether such rules are universally followed or not. Please quote appropriate references when reinstating. -- Brhaspati\ talk/ contribs 14:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
What's up with this? He "first used" the term in a paper in 1991, yet the US Census has been reporting such a thing since 1790? Doesn't make sense. We should remove this, no? DavidRF ( talk) 04:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
There are quite some mathematical (and otherwise) commentary about calculating the Center of population at http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/01/center-of-population/#comments that would be great to incorporate here! For one thing, there appears to be several useful definitions that give different center points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.156.40 ( talk) 15:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
There was an {{unreferenced}} template on this page from August 2008, but the page now contains footnotes. I've removed the template, but am not sure if the article still lacks sufficient references. Perhaps a {{morefootnotes}} template would be in order? Robert Skyhawk ( Talk) 05:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The text below the map says "Its antipodal point is correspondingly the farthest point from everyone on earth". It's not hard to prove this, but it would be nice to have a reference for it. 89.53.112.139 ( talk) 07:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
"For the particular case of flat maps, the center of population could also be defined as a center of mass (centroid) of the population of the area of interest."
Well, you could define it that way, but then it would be a different point. The centroid does not minimize the average distance, but the average squared distance of all the inhabitants. Same difference as that between mean and median in one dimension. -- Jmk ( talk) 11:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I clicked the link to try and find out what the purpose of a "center of population" is, but its not explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.220.219 ( talk) 02:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
It is claimed without citation that "one could define the centroid directly on a flat map projection; this is, for example, the definition that the US Census Bureau uses." However, the Census Bureau states "To avoid unduly complex factors in the computations, the mathematical formulae used were those that would be precise for a true sphere." [1] I have removed the claim that the US Census Bureau uses this method and re-worded accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albickers ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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I made a map that might suit this article of the center of Population points for European countries. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Center_of_Population_of_European_Countries.png The code and the data are linked to in the description. Might it be worth adding to this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamreddave ( talk • contribs) 10:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus against. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 08:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Center of population → Centre of population – Match article title with article body. Getsnoopy ( talk) 00:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)