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Moved CDP Policy Proposal to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities.
I removed A third instance occurs when a city's boundaries place it in more than one county. I do not think CDPs are used for incorporated cities where the boundaries span counties. There may be separate entries for the portion of the municipality in each county along with an entry for the entire municipality, but the portions are not identified as CDPs. There may be a CDP with the same name as a nearby municipality, but which is outside of the municipal boundaries. older≠ wiser 13:49, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
LouI added or be annexed by a neighboring town as an example of a formerly incorporated place being a CDP. I'm not so sure that instance is applicable. I'm sure annexation procedures vary considerably from state to state, but I was generally under the impression that only incorporated entities like cities could "annex" land. If the annexing entity is incorporated, then the annexed land will not be a CDP (as CDPs are not defined within incorporated places). older≠ wiser 13:20, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
Which exists only in the mind of the Census Bureau. It often has nothing to do with what is actually on the ground, i. e. a real community. Perhaps when writing articles on any "CDPs" you might want to distinguish between the two concepts. I live in one of these CDPs, only we call it a town, and it has been a town to its residents since it began, long before the Census Bureau created the concept of a CDP. This needs to be addressed. Think about it. Glacierman 06:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Aren't there enough three-letter acronyms already? Good grief, the Census Bureau coins the term "census-designated place" for their statistical purposes and you all find nirvana because you have a new TLA to inflict on the rest of us. Saying (for example) "Pine Valley is a census-designated place" is no more proper than saying "Pine Valley is a zip code" or starting an article with "San Diego is an incorporated place". The Census Bureau web site says a census-designated place is the statistical counterpart of incorporated place, not a new definition for towns and villages. It also says that the boundaries of a CDP have no legal status. Furthermore, the USGS has been designating the locations of populated places since forever. The locations listed by the Census Bureau are the centers of the CDPs and rearely, if ever, are anywhere near where the USGS, and the people who live there, locate the communities.
Calling a community a CDP except for statistical purposes can also be very misleading. For example, I live near a neighborhood called Bostonia. The USGS, the Post Office and the people who live there place Bostonia within the city of El Cajon. However, the Bostonia CDP is entirely outside El Cajon. The Wikipedia article on Bostonia only covered the Bostonia CDP which most people around here don't think of as part of Bostonia. The Census Bureau places Bostonia nearly a mile from where the USGS, and most Bostonians place Bostonia. Another case is nearby Lakeside. Within Lakeside is a neighborhood called Winter Gardens. Nobody in Winter Gardens says they live in Winter Gardens; they all say they live in Lakeside (as does the Post Office). The Census Bureau has divided Lakeside into two CDPs. One is called Winter Gardens and the other is called Lakeside. The Wikipedia article on Lakeside did not include the part of Lakeside that contains Winter Gardens. So, starting the article with "Lakeside is a Census Designated Place" us just plain untrue.
I reluctantly agree with not using the terms "town" and "village" because the definitions are subjective. However, reducing the names of the communities we live in to a bureaucratic acronym is offensive. I don't know about other states but California uses the term "unincorporated community" for unincorporated towns and villages. That's still a bit bureaucratic but it's a hell of a lot better than census-designated place. I have edited a few articles to call such places unincorporated communities and point out that they fall within the Census Bureau's CDPs. I would appreciate it you TLA zealots would stop reverting my edits. Get real will you? Rsduhamel 02:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Place (United States Census Bureau) Rsduhamel 20:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, I read the article, and the whole discussion, but I still dont get it?? what is that CDP?? I was asked to translate this article, so we can post it in polish Wiki, but im kinda lost. As a matter of fact, I dont even truly understand whats the difference between town and city.... City is bigger that town, right? thats it? anyways, From what I understand CPD is an area, that was outlined by the Census Bureau, and it was called something (ussualy the name of a city that its in, or next to), speccificly used for statistics, is that right?, so say this is:
----------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | City Peach | City Pear | | | | | | | | | | | ----------------| | | | | | --------------- CDP Pear |------ | | |---------------|
so CDP is not a town or a city, it is just like a part of it, or just next to it, just made, so the Bureau can count their numbers is that right?? Frizabela 07:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Related discussion about merging certain New England CDP articles to the town article. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vermont#Merging town center CDP articles into town articles and Talk:St. Johnsbury, Vermont#CDP change for details. -- Polaron | Talk 21:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I removed the words "or area" after the word "place" in the opening sentence. The term "place has an official meaning to several organizations in and out of the U.S. The term "area" does not carry the same meaning. I'm sure it was added in an attempt to clarify the term but I think it confuses it just as much. I put "a concentration of population" in parenthesis to clarify the meaning. Rsduhamel ( talk) 07:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
This phase An example is the former village of Covedale, Ohio, compared with Covedale (CDP), Ohio.
The better comparison is between Covedale, Cincinnati, Ohio, compared with Covedale (CDP), Ohio. rhyre ( talk) 12:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
As this article indicates (based on cited sources), the census folks have changed some of their rules and definitions for 2010. This obviously means that there will be some new CDPs this year, and some old CDPs will be redefined.
Polaron has started creating lists of new CDPs and has been adding information to various article leads regarding new CDP designations and changes in old designations. Some of his changes are sourced to GNIS entries for CDPs that were added to GNIS in 2010, but he has been unable to point to any other source for his information. I'm very uncomfortable with these unsourced additions. Does anyone know of a source for this information? -- Orlady ( talk) 16:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Census-designated place →
Census designated place – Standard usage by the U.S. Census Bureau which created this term is census designated place without a hyphen. To give two examples, see the documents at
www
Zyxw ( talk) 20:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Hi. :) I'm a brand new editor. And I'm working on the article for my town, which is a CDP.
I didn't know what that was, so I clicked the link to this article, and then clicked the link in source 1 in the notes section.
1 ^ a b c "Census Designated Place". Cartogaphic Boundary Files. United States Census Bureau. Retrieved 2010-09-30.
That link directs to here: http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cob/pl_metadata.html#cdp
But that page apparently no longer exists on the Census Bureau's site.
Since many areas in the U.S. are CDPs, and that is the first source in this article, we should probably fix it.
I searched census.gov but couldn't find anything similar and, being new, I don't want to link to the wrong source and break the article.
Any suggestions of what to link to now/instead would enable me to be bold(er). Thanks! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msannakoval ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I went to U.S. Census Bureau, Geography Division, "Cartographic Boundary Shapefiles - Places (Incorporated Places and Census Designated Places)". Cartographic Operations Branch, December 11, 2014.
which is given as a reference in the article, and you can download a zip file for every state, but I have no idea what to do with the files in the zip file. Thank you. deisenbe ( talk) 00:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I have removed this from Category:Census-designated places in the United States as that is a container category and so should not contain individual articles. There is also a link to this article via the category as it is listed as the main article. Dunarc ( talk) 23:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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On 25 January 2013, it was proposed that this article be moved to Census designated place. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Moved CDP Policy Proposal to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities.
I removed A third instance occurs when a city's boundaries place it in more than one county. I do not think CDPs are used for incorporated cities where the boundaries span counties. There may be separate entries for the portion of the municipality in each county along with an entry for the entire municipality, but the portions are not identified as CDPs. There may be a CDP with the same name as a nearby municipality, but which is outside of the municipal boundaries. older≠ wiser 13:49, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
LouI added or be annexed by a neighboring town as an example of a formerly incorporated place being a CDP. I'm not so sure that instance is applicable. I'm sure annexation procedures vary considerably from state to state, but I was generally under the impression that only incorporated entities like cities could "annex" land. If the annexing entity is incorporated, then the annexed land will not be a CDP (as CDPs are not defined within incorporated places). older≠ wiser 13:20, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
Which exists only in the mind of the Census Bureau. It often has nothing to do with what is actually on the ground, i. e. a real community. Perhaps when writing articles on any "CDPs" you might want to distinguish between the two concepts. I live in one of these CDPs, only we call it a town, and it has been a town to its residents since it began, long before the Census Bureau created the concept of a CDP. This needs to be addressed. Think about it. Glacierman 06:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Aren't there enough three-letter acronyms already? Good grief, the Census Bureau coins the term "census-designated place" for their statistical purposes and you all find nirvana because you have a new TLA to inflict on the rest of us. Saying (for example) "Pine Valley is a census-designated place" is no more proper than saying "Pine Valley is a zip code" or starting an article with "San Diego is an incorporated place". The Census Bureau web site says a census-designated place is the statistical counterpart of incorporated place, not a new definition for towns and villages. It also says that the boundaries of a CDP have no legal status. Furthermore, the USGS has been designating the locations of populated places since forever. The locations listed by the Census Bureau are the centers of the CDPs and rearely, if ever, are anywhere near where the USGS, and the people who live there, locate the communities.
Calling a community a CDP except for statistical purposes can also be very misleading. For example, I live near a neighborhood called Bostonia. The USGS, the Post Office and the people who live there place Bostonia within the city of El Cajon. However, the Bostonia CDP is entirely outside El Cajon. The Wikipedia article on Bostonia only covered the Bostonia CDP which most people around here don't think of as part of Bostonia. The Census Bureau places Bostonia nearly a mile from where the USGS, and most Bostonians place Bostonia. Another case is nearby Lakeside. Within Lakeside is a neighborhood called Winter Gardens. Nobody in Winter Gardens says they live in Winter Gardens; they all say they live in Lakeside (as does the Post Office). The Census Bureau has divided Lakeside into two CDPs. One is called Winter Gardens and the other is called Lakeside. The Wikipedia article on Lakeside did not include the part of Lakeside that contains Winter Gardens. So, starting the article with "Lakeside is a Census Designated Place" us just plain untrue.
I reluctantly agree with not using the terms "town" and "village" because the definitions are subjective. However, reducing the names of the communities we live in to a bureaucratic acronym is offensive. I don't know about other states but California uses the term "unincorporated community" for unincorporated towns and villages. That's still a bit bureaucratic but it's a hell of a lot better than census-designated place. I have edited a few articles to call such places unincorporated communities and point out that they fall within the Census Bureau's CDPs. I would appreciate it you TLA zealots would stop reverting my edits. Get real will you? Rsduhamel 02:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Place (United States Census Bureau) Rsduhamel 20:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, I read the article, and the whole discussion, but I still dont get it?? what is that CDP?? I was asked to translate this article, so we can post it in polish Wiki, but im kinda lost. As a matter of fact, I dont even truly understand whats the difference between town and city.... City is bigger that town, right? thats it? anyways, From what I understand CPD is an area, that was outlined by the Census Bureau, and it was called something (ussualy the name of a city that its in, or next to), speccificly used for statistics, is that right?, so say this is:
----------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | City Peach | City Pear | | | | | | | | | | | ----------------| | | | | | --------------- CDP Pear |------ | | |---------------|
so CDP is not a town or a city, it is just like a part of it, or just next to it, just made, so the Bureau can count their numbers is that right?? Frizabela 07:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Related discussion about merging certain New England CDP articles to the town article. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vermont#Merging town center CDP articles into town articles and Talk:St. Johnsbury, Vermont#CDP change for details. -- Polaron | Talk 21:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I removed the words "or area" after the word "place" in the opening sentence. The term "place has an official meaning to several organizations in and out of the U.S. The term "area" does not carry the same meaning. I'm sure it was added in an attempt to clarify the term but I think it confuses it just as much. I put "a concentration of population" in parenthesis to clarify the meaning. Rsduhamel ( talk) 07:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
This phase An example is the former village of Covedale, Ohio, compared with Covedale (CDP), Ohio.
The better comparison is between Covedale, Cincinnati, Ohio, compared with Covedale (CDP), Ohio. rhyre ( talk) 12:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
As this article indicates (based on cited sources), the census folks have changed some of their rules and definitions for 2010. This obviously means that there will be some new CDPs this year, and some old CDPs will be redefined.
Polaron has started creating lists of new CDPs and has been adding information to various article leads regarding new CDP designations and changes in old designations. Some of his changes are sourced to GNIS entries for CDPs that were added to GNIS in 2010, but he has been unable to point to any other source for his information. I'm very uncomfortable with these unsourced additions. Does anyone know of a source for this information? -- Orlady ( talk) 16:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Census-designated place →
Census designated place – Standard usage by the U.S. Census Bureau which created this term is census designated place without a hyphen. To give two examples, see the documents at
www
Zyxw ( talk) 20:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Hi. :) I'm a brand new editor. And I'm working on the article for my town, which is a CDP.
I didn't know what that was, so I clicked the link to this article, and then clicked the link in source 1 in the notes section.
1 ^ a b c "Census Designated Place". Cartogaphic Boundary Files. United States Census Bureau. Retrieved 2010-09-30.
That link directs to here: http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cob/pl_metadata.html#cdp
But that page apparently no longer exists on the Census Bureau's site.
Since many areas in the U.S. are CDPs, and that is the first source in this article, we should probably fix it.
I searched census.gov but couldn't find anything similar and, being new, I don't want to link to the wrong source and break the article.
Any suggestions of what to link to now/instead would enable me to be bold(er). Thanks! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msannakoval ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I went to U.S. Census Bureau, Geography Division, "Cartographic Boundary Shapefiles - Places (Incorporated Places and Census Designated Places)". Cartographic Operations Branch, December 11, 2014.
which is given as a reference in the article, and you can download a zip file for every state, but I have no idea what to do with the files in the zip file. Thank you. deisenbe ( talk) 00:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I have removed this from Category:Census-designated places in the United States as that is a container category and so should not contain individual articles. There is also a link to this article via the category as it is listed as the main article. Dunarc ( talk) 23:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)