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Source only mentions Britain, not Ireland. Claiming Pytheas called the people of both Britain and Ireland Pretanoí is Original Research unless a reliable source exists for this statement. Tewdar 14:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
I’ll revisit this once I’ve chased down the references given in the Terminology piece Firsteleventh ( talk) 21:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
For him the British Isles lay north of the land of the Celts and were known as the Pretanic islands. There is no suggestion that he regarded the Pretani as Celticdoesn't
confirmthat Pytheas
only refers to a single peoplewhen he uses the term Pretani... imagine replacing 'Pretanic islands' with 'British Isles'. Just because we use this phrase doesn't mean we call Irish people 'British'. I want a source that says, very explicitly, that Pretani means people of both Britain and Ireland when Pytheas (or whomever) uses it. Happy New Year! 😁 Tewdar 14:09, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I know that this will absolutely receive opposition straight away due to the nature of it being an English language Wikipedia page.
However, I’m taking issue with the colouring taken from national and monarchical flags.
Red and Blue are used from a Germanic Anglo-Saxon perspective, in opposition to A Gaelic Goidelic perspective, in relation to Britonnic.
If the red from the Welsh dragon and St. George’s Cross can symbolise non-Pictish Britain, then white can symbolise the Gaelic area of Scotland.
There is in that image a symbiosis of British Celtic culture with Anglo Saxon culture, as if that is the only legitimate form of being British, and if not, then at least Germanic.
Goidelic Scotland should be coloured white. As Alba traditionally means Albion, or Britain. And was used by the Gaels.
Green which has been used to symbolise some outside Irish Gaelic and Goidelic culture has not been complemented by some kind of outside Germanic culture.
These colours are obviously from flags. White is in the Scottish flag. It is the best form of neutrality from what is obviously an attempt at minimising and colouring Britain Anglo-Saxon as opposed to Irishness.
Gaels do not necessarily see themselves as Irish as Anglo-Saxons do not see themselves as German. I can accept that, why can’t you? NoelveNoelve ( talk) 10:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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Source only mentions Britain, not Ireland. Claiming Pytheas called the people of both Britain and Ireland Pretanoí is Original Research unless a reliable source exists for this statement. Tewdar 14:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
I’ll revisit this once I’ve chased down the references given in the Terminology piece Firsteleventh ( talk) 21:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
For him the British Isles lay north of the land of the Celts and were known as the Pretanic islands. There is no suggestion that he regarded the Pretani as Celticdoesn't
confirmthat Pytheas
only refers to a single peoplewhen he uses the term Pretani... imagine replacing 'Pretanic islands' with 'British Isles'. Just because we use this phrase doesn't mean we call Irish people 'British'. I want a source that says, very explicitly, that Pretani means people of both Britain and Ireland when Pytheas (or whomever) uses it. Happy New Year! 😁 Tewdar 14:09, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I know that this will absolutely receive opposition straight away due to the nature of it being an English language Wikipedia page.
However, I’m taking issue with the colouring taken from national and monarchical flags.
Red and Blue are used from a Germanic Anglo-Saxon perspective, in opposition to A Gaelic Goidelic perspective, in relation to Britonnic.
If the red from the Welsh dragon and St. George’s Cross can symbolise non-Pictish Britain, then white can symbolise the Gaelic area of Scotland.
There is in that image a symbiosis of British Celtic culture with Anglo Saxon culture, as if that is the only legitimate form of being British, and if not, then at least Germanic.
Goidelic Scotland should be coloured white. As Alba traditionally means Albion, or Britain. And was used by the Gaels.
Green which has been used to symbolise some outside Irish Gaelic and Goidelic culture has not been complemented by some kind of outside Germanic culture.
These colours are obviously from flags. White is in the Scottish flag. It is the best form of neutrality from what is obviously an attempt at minimising and colouring Britain Anglo-Saxon as opposed to Irishness.
Gaels do not necessarily see themselves as Irish as Anglo-Saxons do not see themselves as German. I can accept that, why can’t you? NoelveNoelve ( talk) 10:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available
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Angeluztb (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Acw055,
Aresiaarthurs.
— Assignment last updated by Cfnardone ( talk) 20:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)