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I'm curious about the reasons for the removel of mention of the Allison Williams tape. The reason given was that it's a "known fake celebrity video" what does that mean? MK2 04:59, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
My name is cathedral107, and I am the one who put the material in about the 'allison williams' who worked at the TV station - and the correct call letters are WVEC-TV. I have actual evidence to confirm the material I posted. I will make this material availiable upon request.
I recently saw this added to the page and I wanted to question its truth.
Former S Club 7 members Jo O'Meara and Jon Lee are in a graphic sex tape in which Lee uses a variety of sex toys on O'Meara.'
There was also a mention of this on the link to Jo O'Meara's page on Wikipedia that expaned on the claim.
In May 2005, Jo was shocked to learn a graphic sex tape she made with former S Club mate Jon Lee had been released on the Internet. Jon uses a variety of sex toys on Jo in the tape and it is one of the few celebrity sex tapes to feature a female cumming.
I have done multiple searches and not been able to find any links or sources to verify this. I have also found nothing under any news former, current or archived. And it also appears there is nowhere to even download the supposed tape. No torrent sites even list the alleged tape and being that this would be likely a popular download find it hard to believe no site would host it or even list it. Can anyone back the claims up or should I delete the statements?
Lummie 13:48, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I wanted to put forth whether certain people removed from the list should be removed. Most notably the ones taken off by Yamla and the reason given that there is not a page made up for them on Wikipedia so that should exclude them. I feel that if its a leaked tape and they are semi famous then their inclusion is note worthy. More importantly I feel judging on the fact a Wikipedia page has not been setup for them not enough to discredit them from the list of celeb sex tapes?
Anyone else want to comment?
Lummie 03:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe we should divide these tapes into three groups: Confirmed tapes - those like the Pamela Anderson-Tommy Lee video, where nobody is disputed the existence of the tape; Rumored tapes - for the majority of tapes where claims have been made but the identities of the celebrities has neither been proven or disproven; and Fraudulant tapes - for cases like the Alyson Hanigan tape which have been proven fake.
I don't think we should eliminate any tapes from being mentioned - even those known to be fake. In all cases the rumors are still circulating on the internet. We should provide the factual information about these tapes rather than ignore their existence. MK2 05:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree with this (two year old) idea. I've always thought there should be some order on this page, such as listed in numerical order (either of their film or release date) or in alphabetical order (by the most prominent celebrity) Either way, a confirmed, rumored and fake sections is definetly needed. The purpose of this website is to provide information, I think that listing the fake videos will stop vandalism. If there are no arguments someone should add it. Tydamann ( talk) 13:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a tape going around on file sharing networks that is supposedly of Avril Lavigne, I can't find any other information (not that I've actually looked hard at the moment), and given teh above conversation, it would warrant being a Rumoured tape. I will try to find some any sites mentioning this rumour, then add it if theres anything worth adding.
Is this vandalism or is the section removed for a valid reason? Please advise. -- Einsidler 12:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
According to http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004580002-2006450726,00.html she has appeared in a sex tape with Kid Rock and I quote "performing a variety of imaginative sex acts". Pamela herself then goes on to acknowledge that the tape exists. I'm not sure if there's anything on file sharing programs yet though.
Pretty sure thats a mistake, i think they mean tommy lee, im sure they'll change it soon.
I've removed most of the entries in this article under the "Biographies of living persons" policy, which states: Editors should remove any controversial material about living persons that is either unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Reliable sources, or is a conjectural interpretation of a source. I understand that much of what I deleted can be proven true, but in the meantime, it can't stay here. I have no issue with any of those entries returning if they're properly sourced. Thanks. | Mr. Darcy talk 17:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I just reverted User:Commander Zulu's revert. WP:BLP is a core policy. All of those entries can go back in the article if they are accompanied by appropriate citations, but if not, they are clear violations of BLP. | Mr. Darcy talk 00:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Er, I see most of the fake/fraud list has vanished - which seems daft because i) the heading clearly states the tapes to be fake/fraud & ii) a lot of these tapes are in the public domain, if incorrectly identified (eg) the Alyson Hannigan tape has been conclusively shown to be Luna Lane. Despite this, Hannigan is commonly thought to have a sextape, unless a site like Wikipedia can state with authority otherwise. I could point you to the original 'Hannigan/Lane' sex video release website, but as its explicit, I can hardly add it as a reference ! ... This is likely to be problem for a number of these tapes (ie) concrete proof they've been mis-identified, but also not referencable due to content. How do you solve that one ?
Also, surely its beyond dispute that say R Kelly made a sextape ? But its also gone. This seems a silly application of policy for policy's sake - common sense must prevail ! If other media (eg newspaper) consensus is that a tape is legitimate, and the celebrity in question has never rebutted it, shouldn't this count for its inclusion ? I presume you're worried about legal action, but some balance on such a likelihood of legal acton should come into the decision. And if other legitimate outlets (eg newspapers or TV) are confident of their facts, this must lend to credibility of the tapes attribution. (And again you may have problems in referencing a site due to content) The Yeti 03:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I've just had another thought - maybe if we just list in these talk pages the name of the celeb that has been rumoured/assumed real, but not go into any details. Then others can at least (if they have the time) try and hunt down a creditable reference/source, based on the name alone. After all, I doubt you can be sued for writing just (eg) 'Alyson Hannigan sextape' or 'R Kelly sex video' and nothing else ? OK, so anyone could write any name (British Queen sextape!), but some names will crop up more often than others, but those that are obviously nonsense can be weeded out. After all, you've already got some of a list starting in the headings above, and other Wikipedians will add their own, making this talk page very long if there's a heading for each ! Or the subject completely undiscussable if they're all deleted as soon as a name is mentioned. The Yeti 19:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to delete the entries we have here for videos in which none of the participants have their own wiki page. Some of the people even with wiki pages now strain the definition of "celebrity", and I think those without really have to go, in the interests of keeping this article reasonable and readable. Ford MF 02:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I just removed the entry for Bjork on the grounds that it seemed she had produced the content deliberately. We should probably limit the entry to things that have some patina of illegitimacy. This would exclude legitimate (if misguided) career acts like the early pornos of Sylvester Stallone and Spalding Gray. If someone in porn (as a vocation or a day-tripper) becomes non-porn famous, that doesn't mean that their earlier porn is automatically a "celebrity sex tape". Ford MF 22:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree we should limit this page to vaguely illegitimate tapes- my personal feeling is that as long as one of the persons involved is a "Celebrity" (best known for non-porn work) and engaged in sex acts, then the tape should be listed here, regardless of whether or not it was deliberately made or released. -- Commander Zulu 22:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It should be pointed out that, although the Bjork video was deliberately done for a music video, the extracts used were not professionally filmed (ie) they were done by handheld camera by Bjork & her partner alone in private in an amateur fashion. Therefore I believe it is a 'legitimate' sextape. It is not a porn film, does not involve porn actors, and involves (non-porn) celebrities. It is also beyond dispute (ie) not a 'rumour'. This is not like Shortbus, which was a professional film with sex as part of its focus/plot, with studio backing, and filmed by professional cameramen/women. Bjork's film was not a scene that was 'faked', 'set-up', or 'acted'. Question - if this scene had somehow made its way into the public domain without the computer distortion, would it then be a sextape ? As this would obviously not be its intended method of distribution.
On a wider note, I do not see who said or why the title 'celebrity sex tapes' by default excludes stuff that has been deliberately filmed and released. Who defined it as such ? And why such a restriction ? Why must a tape be 'iffy' in origin to appear on the list ? I think a film just being 'amateur' in origin would be a good starting definition. I therefore feel it is in this case legitimate to have it in the list.
PS Ford MF, although I do think that you are in the 'wrong' :) in this case, I do appreciate that you have started a talk and given reasonable arguments to back your POV. I hope we can hammer out a suitable definition. The Yeti 03:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree with you there, and perhaps add that a CST should probably be considered "Amateur"- ie, not a professional, paid production. That would exclude content created for normal/commercial release, but still cover content that may have been deliberately made or released (as MrDarcy suggsts) as part of a scandal, real or otherwise. -- Commander Zulu 04:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
About Mimi... I'm not sure relatives of celebrities count as celebrities in their own right. What did she ever do besides get born a couple years after someone who turned out to be famous? Again, I think if a person doesn't have a wiki entry, they shouldn't be on this list. Ford MF 01:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
A new 'celeb' [4]
Mimi Macpherson does have a Wikipedia article now. There does seem to be an interesting attempt to remove references to her name and her (possible) sextape. For example, someone removed her last name from this header (I just put it back) and kept removing any references to the sextape from her wikipedia site (even as a "possibility") without citing reasons or giving names. One quote indicates: "Mimi Macpherson's sex tape was leaked on the internet by "Moron Project" in July 1997 to counter the Australia-wide media blackout on her silly misdeeds. "This decision to cover up her stupidity in both allowing herself to be filmed in a compromising position, and allowing herself to be used indulging in drug use is a worrying example of how the Australian Media protects it's own", said Moron Project in it's release statement accompanying the sex tape release." However, I can't find much more than that.
OK, reading the above, I discern a possible direction on a possible definition of Celebrity Sex Tapes :
Para 1: So, where would that leave John Leslie + Abi Titmass + other girl ? - JL didn't actively partake, I believe. However, it would be fair to say he was an 'involved' party, as being a voyeur is what got his rocks off (as opposed to a bored cameraman at another porn shoot).
Para 2: Excludes most films made for commercial release.
Para 3: Duh
Para 4: Sorts out 'if they're included in Wiki' point. Also mass media would help define what a celebrity is. Rumoured should be included (as well as fake/fraud) because the mass media are going to go down this route too.
Para 5: should sort out some of the more obscure relatives, and again leave the defintion of a celebrity to the mass media, but such that it would be commented a lot of times by them.
Para 6: legal BS covering
Above would allow Mimi McP, Abi Titmuss, & Bjork (once references found) but exclude Shortbus, Brown Bunny, Sly Stallone, etc. It also ignores whether the film was intended or not for release (to boost careers, etc). It should be pointed out Abi Titmuss wasn't a celebrity at the time (I think), but became one, by dint of being JL's girlfriend and the film, now with TV shows, etc.
My only problem now is the fact that I've seen (supposedly) Cameron Diaz in a film that she really would not want mass released nowadays, but is definitely explicit, but also filmed with a professional cameraman. Should count, but does not fit the above. I'm not talking of that dull topless 'bondage' film rubbish either.
The Yeti 00:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
JL is "involved" in the Abi Titmuss tape- there are, I beleive, two sequences in which she performs fellatio on someone that (supposedly) is him, including while the other woman performs cunnilingus on her. Incidentally, I found a cite for the Abi Titmuss tape, if you count IMDB as a reliable source: Abi Titmuss: Out For The Lads. Otherwise, I agree with your definitions, The Yeti -- Commander Zulu 09:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the John Leslie tape I mentioned was just a example of Para 1. It seems that as JL 'partook' it wasn't the best example. Still, the general principle fits for other tapes. More problematic is Ford MF's example of the Kid Rock/Scott Stapp tape (which I've not seen). Hmmm. But it might let that Diaz tape in (if there were only refs ...)
Regarding using imdb as a source for the Abi Titmuss tape, I'd say that this would be an OK ref, as imdb only lists released films (in this case it also lists a distributor), hence 'officially' acknowledeged as existing & not fraud. Only thing for this tape is it doesn't describe it as sex tape, just adult genre. But as the tape is real and sold in stores, finding a ref shouldn't be too hard. This Guardian [5] article mentions a 'rumoured' sextape at least (so now we can add it!)
P3 may or may not exclude Bjork - have you watched it ? Any others here looked at it ? And if there aren't enough possible refs for Mimi McP, then I guess she don't count. In time I'm sure other users may find enough.
The Yeti 07:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of Tom Sizemore's sex tape on here? It made pretty big news and it's been out for quite a while. Herorev 01:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
What about every time I've included a link to XXXTom.com? What more citation do you need than a site selling the damned thing with clips to boot? I really don't understand this Tom Sizemore sanitation on wikipedia. Btw, http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/article/16090506.php
I've tried to add Page 3 Idol 2004 Keeley Hazell to the list of KNOWN tapes, but it keeps being removed. Justify your actions admin. Here is my evidence [8] now where is yours?
Uh, actually she does have an article and if you paid attention to my posts, you would come to the same conclusion. try [9] or [(unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21259150.shtml] It's sure making news on both sides of the Atlantic considering shes not a 'celebrity'. I verified it myself by watching the video in question. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.77.99.226 ( talk) 02:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Any objection to a move of this page to List of celebrity sex tapes? Because that's what it really is - it's not an article on what a "celebrity sex tape" is. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
This chap has a whole load of listed sex tapes [10], and 'discussions' on their real/fake status. Is he a) a valid cite ref ? b) clean enough to link to for Wikipedia (as some refs already do)? I know some of his list cite Wiki as a ref (so its kinda circular), but there are some links of his own, plus usually the video itself The Yeti 23:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
why was the benzino sex tape removed from the list, it just leaked and its all overt..... GOOGLE it if u dont belive me!!!!!!!
I strongly disagree with the recent reversion by Yamla to the edits on the content of the Celebrity sex tape page.
The edited part discussed the social phenomonen of sex tapes, and the growing popularity. Without the information provided, the user has no idea why these sex tapes are important, nor that they have become remarkably more prevalent in the last 10 years.
Yes, some of this is based on the perception of the writer, and not attributable to a reliable source, but, by comparison, what is the reliable source for the definition of a celebrity sex tape.
The text that was contributed adds background information to the topic, and, helps turn a bland definition of something into a description of something greater - a social phenomenon with a real tipping point and change in socal mores. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.109.248.77 ( talk) 04:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
What about stars who became famous only after the release of their sex tape (as opposed to Paris Hilton, who was already famous before the release of ! Night in Paris).
This is the case with Sibel_Kekilli, who participated/starred in a sex tape at the beginning of her career (i.e. as an unknown and not-yet-famous actor). After she became famous for starring in Head-On, the German tabloid Bild revealed in tabloid manner that she had previously starred in several pornographic movies which were soon reissued in local (read: German) adult video stores/adult video rental places.
But may be mentioning every not so famous famous (in the English speaking world anyway) person is not what the English Wikipedia is about...so I put my observation here.-- 84.145.222.231 17:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I replaced most of this section. Some of it was clearly cruft (imaginary Britney Spears tape) and some of it badly cited (that Serbian chick, whassername), and it was better deleted in the first place. But the rest of it has a place here, I believe. Certainly it's silly to delete Zahra Amir Ebrahimi as a violation of WP:BLP when there's an entire article, personally vetted by Jimbo Wales himself, devoted to the subject. And by "personally vetted", I mean he almost booted me for writing it, but a safe compromise version was accomplished and I don't think this tiny summary violates that.
Also WP:BLP only applies to LIVING PERSONS. Joan Crawford, Marilyn Monroe and Chuck Connors are all dead. And it's kind of important to have these most persistent rumors listed as they are historically important in the context of this article. Anyway what remains is all well cited from reputable sources, so I don't think there should be any more trouble with the section. Ford MF 15:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the Streisand rumour. On reading the entire article identified as the source, there is no mention whatsoever of a porno tape, let alone one of someone resembling Streisand. Risker 19:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
There is (arguably) a 3-minute video file of Fred Durst , lead singer of Limp Bizkit , with an un-named female sex partner , available on the internet . It is prominently watermarked "T.Mobile.Terrorists" and widely distributed .
I have seen the file . It is a carefully made teaser , edited with intercut views from a (likely) longer video , with selected music dubbing over the original audio ...
Even though the existence of a tape has been "known" since February 2005 (it originated in 2003) , Wikipedia is silent on its existence both here , and in the Fred Durst biography page . I believe that there is sufficient public and reliable sourcing now for this silence to end ...
The celebrity gossip site Smoking Gun , on March 5 2005 , http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0304051durst1.html
posted photocopy images of an application for a temporary restraining order ...
listing Gawker Media and additional defendants , and asserting (from a deposition by plaintiff Durst) "an intimate bedroom video" between ... plaintiff and his former girlfriend" ; "in or about 2003 , plaintiff , with his girlfriend's knowlege and consent , recorded by digital video his girfriend and him[self] engaged in various explicit sexual and intimate relations together . Plaintiff is readily identifiable on the video ... "
Additionally , we have these "mainstream" media reports http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1497523/20050225/limp_bizkit.jhtml http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1497823/20050307/limp_bizkit.jhtml
which discuss Durst's legal battle concerning the distribution of the tape and screen-capture images made from it .
Celebrity and "porn" Blogs , such as (for example) http://www.whitecheech.com/index.php/archives/2005/03/01/more-fred-durst-news/
have speculated on who Durst's partner is , but I understand that Wikipedia does not consider such sources reliable . Even
http://www.kpnt.com/MusicNews/Display.aspx?ID=40587
(which I believe has chosen the "wrong" female) is probably not "reliable enough" for use by Wikipedia .
Therefore , I will understand if the female partner is only referred to in our Wikipedia articles as "his former girlfriend" . However , I do not understand how Wikipedia can continue to ignore the existence of this material , and avoid reference to it both in the main page here , and in the Durst biography page .
Durst is entitled to prevent others from distributing or profiting from his private tape , but he is not entitled to prevent us from discussing its existence .
Please comment ... Mmw220 19:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed Mimi again because of the lack of a reliable citation. Her entry on the list was sourced to this article by the Australian Daily Telegraph. Which is apparently a super-sucky paper because their writers cut and paste Wiki articles and then publish them.
The first Wiki-rip-off I noticed was: "Actor Rob Lowe almost destroyed his own career when, in the 1980s, he taped himself having sex with two young girls, one of whom turned out to be underage." Largely because it's what appears in the Wiki article now, and I'm the one who initially wrote it, on January 2, right after the first really big purge of unsourced entries on this list, three months before the Telegraph published its article. The Bob Crane and Kim Kardashian mentions I think are also clearly cut and pasted from this article.
So if our source is clearly and obviously using Wikipedia, using this same article, as its source, well, that kind of cyclical citation just isn't acceptable. Particularly on a dicey WP:BLP article like this one. I can't find a diff of the old Mimi McPherson mention, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think the Telegraph writer might have gotten their scoop on McPherson from us in the first place (whether or not the text is actually similar). Since the rest of the article should have been tagged "Courtesy of Wikipedia" anyway.
Therefore, long-windedly, I have removed the McPherson entry on the list once more, until an actual reputable news source can be produced. Ford MF 17:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The list is missing a refernce to the widely-circulated Katie Price sex tape. Problem is the only on-line sources that seem to be available now are porn sites and blogs with copyvio versions of the tape in question. The fact the tape exists is not in dispute; the problem is (and I think this is the same problem facing the confirmed McPherson tape mentioned above) is Wiki's prohibition against posting porn site links. For example, there is a site called celebritymoviearchive that has clips from both tapes in question, but we can't post the actual link. It's a challenge faced by this topic, I guess. 23skidoo 16:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The lead used to say:
With a citation/footnote that read:
Problem is, that article absolutely does not support that statement. There's nothing in there proving that any celebrities have distributed such tapes willingly. Even if it had made that claim, per WP:NPOV and other policies, the best the sentence could read is "so and so with some publication argues that some tapes are distributed with the willing participation [etc.]"
I didn't even see in there anything making the argument that some celebs willingly did so, so even that statement wouldn't be supported. The person who put that there should really read up on policy for how cituations work, or use some common sense. DreamGuy 12:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
In late 2004 a former pro wrestling star named Chyna Doll and her husband actually approached Red Light District to distribute their amateur sex tape. More than 100,000 copies have sold, the company says, with its stars sharing the profits.
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I have seen a video with Ben Affleck, supposidy before he was famous, to make a little money. It shows him masturbating on a couch. Can I add this? And the only links that I can find, are porn sites... Bryse 04:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the following recently-added entry on the list belongs here:
A sex clip of Vietnamese teen actress and singer Hoang Thuy Linh, famous for the leading role Yellowbird in the Vietnamese television show the Yellow Bird's diary, and her boyfriend was distributed over the internet in October, 2007. The Yellow Bird's diary was seen as an educational show for Vietnamese teens. The 16-minute long sex clip has drawn national attention in Vietnam shortly after it was released.[23] See also Vietnamese "The Yellow Bird" sex clip scandal
I don't think this sufficiently fulfills the "celebrity" part of the equation. On the Vietnamese Wiki perhaps, but not here. The participant doesn't even have a Wikipedia article, and the supposed scandal article is redlinked as well. The article for the TV show this girl is from was created by User:Jack brian (who has only logged edits relating to this sex tape item) after the information was added to this article by an anon IP whom I'm guessing was also jack brian. And that article basically only consists of this one gossip item as well. Ford MF 14:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The following passage does not belong in this article; it is thinly-veiled propaganda, possibly from the state media in Vietnam:
It shocked all Vietnamese teenagers and also adults, mainly because the character Oriolus is the role-model of millions of teenage fans and against Vietnamese tradition. Reactions varied after the sex clip was widely circulated on the internet. While some wanted to offer sympathy, the majority of Vietnamese population and netizens condemned the act of Thuy Linh as ribald and inappropriate. [23] After that, VTV hosted a talk that officially announced an end to the show. [24] [25] However the speech made by Thuy Linh and the show director, as well as comments by MC and other actors/actresses were considered insincere and acted-up. The talk show was also considered a preposterous move of VTV to defend the decadent private lifestyle of Thuy Linh and to appease the audience.[26] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.212.172 ( talk) 18:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I am moving this section to the Talk Page because its verifiability is questionable. All of the reference sources are in Vietnamese, so their content and reliability cannot be confirmed by the intended readers of this encyclopedia, i.e., those who read English. Further, the actress herself is not the subject of a Wikipedia article. The section is also excessively long and somewhat POV. Risker 03:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
We should be cautious about sources in other languages to prevent vandalism, but sometimes news are in the other languages only. So we should be very cautious to save or not. This time there are already AP articles about it yesterday or today. Or may we wait some time until the related person to emotional overcome it? Chengm153 07:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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Going into a clinical discussion of the activities portrayed on a private sex tape never intended for public release (as in the examples of the Jayne Kennedy and Chuck Berry listings) appears to go against Wikipedia policy on BLP, which states (under Presumption in favor of privacy):
"An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid, and as such it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. BLPs must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy." 128.218.20.69 ( talk) 09:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Isn't celebrity is those entertainer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.109.110 ( talk) 03:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Textbook violation of [11] and thus must be removed per BLP. Sceptre ( talk) 14:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Please stop removing the BLPWatch template. I'm assuming people removing it don't even know what its function is. Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/BLPWatch. This article contains information which should adhere to our BLP guidelines, and the template helps ensure it does. Thanks. - Rjd0060 ( talk) 01:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Since I'm getting more and more eager to put this edit warring to rest, I've submitted a report on the BLP noticeboard. I'd like some eyes external to this dispute to look the thing over. Certainly no one else seems to think this is as textbook a violation as User:Spectre. Ford MF ( talk) 01:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:BLP "Editors should avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject. When less-than-reliable publications print material they suspect is untrue, they often include weasel phrases. Look out for these. If the original publication doesn't believe its own story, why should we?"
It is in no may acceptable to be posting information which the source itself acknowledges as dubious when dealing with living people. It is grossly inappropriate to say "So in so celebrity may have had sex on tape, or perhaps it is just a rumor". We are an encyclopedia, not a gossip rag. I ask the the person who returned the rumor section not to return it again. (1 == 2)Until 17:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
(ec)Sorry I don't follow. If the source claims it is really a sex tape, not just a rumor then it should not be in the rumor section. If the source says it is not a celebrity sex tape then it does not belong here at all as it is not relevant. If the source says that it may be a sex tape, but they are not sure(ie use weasel words), then BLP is clear we should not use it.
While some of the people are no longer alive, the issues with relevance and weasel words remains. The standards of WP:Verifiability demand the same, it just has a different level of enforcement. That is to say, BLP removals are exempt from 3RR, while regular verifiability violations are not.
In the end WP:NOT is really the reason we should not have that section. We are not a rumor mill. The topic of this article is celebrity sex tapes, I fail to see how non-celebrity sex tapes that were rumored to be such makes an on-topic addition.
Muddling fact and fiction together in such a way is a disservice to our readers. (1 == 2)Until 17:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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Okay, let's take a minute here to go through these entries, since everyone seems to just see the section name and say "RUMORED SEX TAPES? BLP violation!" without actually reading the section:
So where, exactly, is this supposed BLP harm going on here? As Chowbok points out above, explaining persistent rumors (printed in major newsmedia, over periods of decades in some cases) as UNTRUE is as important as reporting what IS true. Ford MF ( talk) 18:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The problem here is the word "rumored," as it implies a degree of scandal & dirt that the actual article doesn't contain. "Unconfirmed" isn't better, especially since some of them are pretty well & truly debunked. Still, I think semantics is a big killer on this point. -- mordicai. ( talk) 20:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Yep, this ol' chestnut - however, there is a reputable source as to the existence of one this time ... http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=566985&in_page_id=1773 (right at the bottom). When the page is unblocked, maybe can be added (as a rumour ! :-) ? The Yeti ( talk) 03:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I said I was going to put it in an order, no one objected so I did. I put it in alphabetical order (dicted by the woman's last name...I also gave a description on the actual page) For the kid Rock tape I put it under his real name (It was either put it under kid rock or scott stapp, a toss up, so I just picked Rock because I am more familiar with him, I do think that for it to be more accurate it should be under who-ever had more 'face' time in the porno..I never saw it) Colin Farrell's tape, I put under his girlfriend's name (it was originally under his) but I chose to do it all under the women's last name. The only other problem I had was with the asian names, Chua Soi Lek, Chu Mei-feng, and Baek Ji Young; I am pretty sure that the asian name is different from the Western names, but since I wasn't sure which name to go by, I just went by the final name. If those are wrong, then someone please correct them. I also re-worded them, just to make the first words the person's name example, what was - A tape of Croatian pop star Severina Vučković - is now Severina Vučković a Croatian pop star. Just to make it a little more easy to read. Tydamann ( talk) 20:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice to at least have it mentioned that there was a sex tape of a man who was claimed to be R Kelly. There are tons of sources out there ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/20/rkelly.trial/index.html ). Also, it should note that he was acquitted of all charges though ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/13/rkelly.closings.ap/index.html ). I'd add it myself, but I'd like someone else to check the sources (and find others) before adding it so it doesn't violate biographies of living persons. 76.116.109.221 ( talk) 08:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
It's just a list and never has been anything more, yet it's not tagged as a list. Whgy doesn't it discuss the legal status of sex tapes, that's what the encyclopedic value could be in this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.28.241 ( talk) 18:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
With her dvd tape Kendra Exposed being released by vivid in June 2010, shouldn'y she be on the list?--Cooly123 19:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 ( talk • contribs)
In February 2008, a tape featuring KISS bassist Gene Simmons having sex was leaked on the internet, but no mention of it here? I thought this one was pretty well known. Youdummy ( talk) 06:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
The title of the page should be "Celebrity sex video" since "tape" doesn't make sense in the Internet era. I believe the kids have no idea that video tapes existed. Gabriel arisi ( talk) 22:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
In an encyclopedia such as this, are criteria for reliable references and sources relaxed when the topic is on the subject of pornography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.64.17 ( talk) 23:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, the Eric Dane sex tape was listed here. Why was it removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.83.4 ( talk) 17:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
What about Nicki Minaj's leaked sex tape?-- Nikinikolananov ( talk) 17:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I had to flag the statement that Hilton and Kardashian's tapes led to their fame, book deals and reality TV shows. Both were already notable before the tapes were released (that's why they were released), with both their reality shows already in production (though not necessarily airing yet) when the tapes emerged. I'm not calling the fact the tapes added to their fame dubious, but the statement references aspects of their careers that were already in place before the tapes emerged. 70.72.211.35 ( talk) 16:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what the criteria for adding to the list is, but if we have Kendra Wilkinson's tape, then the Karissa Shannon Superstar tape, starring her Girls Next Door co-star should be included. In addition, her partner in the tape is actor Sam Jones III who at the time was known for co-starring in Smallville. 68.146.70.124 ( talk) 17:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Anyone opposed to alphabetical sections? This article is long enough its a bit of a mess now. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 18:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
The fact that someone claims to have a "sex tape" involving a celebrity is not sufficient to include the claim here (or, in general, anywhere on Wikipedia). Inclusion of such an unverified claim is clearly forbidden when one of the participants is alive (especially if they deny the claim). This article is about tapes circulated to the general public, not rumors, unverified reports, or tapes people have locked away. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 15:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Celebrity sex tape →
Sex tape – Very rarely would you ever hear someone use the term "celebrity sex tape" over "sex tape", since the latter seems to be the more common term. This request would also fall under
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, because the article would be a more significant entry over the film because the film itself is inspired by this concept.
WikiRedactor (
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We need to be careful about how we word these listings per WP:BLP rules. I just changed the entry for Minka Kelly as the way it was worded suggested she produced and marketed her sex tape herself, whereas the linked articles state otherwise. 68.146.52.234 ( talk) 14:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
What does everyone think? OK, not OK, don't care, "this article is about celebrity sex tapes and deserves the amount of attention that one would give to a buzzing fly"? --
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average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...
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18:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Lately there have been removals of entries from this list stating "not within the scope of the article" or similar statements. I'm not sure how they are applying this, but it appears that we don't have a source for what a celebrity sex tape is or is not.
I would have to say that at minimum its video footage (film or electronic media) of an identifiable celebrity engaged in a
sexual act of some kind. But I can't say much beyond that. Anyone have any
reliable sources that give a more detailed or better definition? --
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average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...
(Talk)
20:06, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I added some content to the Rob Lowe entry from his article that unbeknownst to me was not correctly sourced. I have since corrected the sourcing issue. The missing cite was this [1] that states the the age of consent in Georgia is 16 meaning that neither of the women that Lowe was video taped with were underage as some sources have claimed. -- Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Can R. Kelly's sex tapes be added? Michael14375 ( talk) 17:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I have no question that the topic meets WP:GNG, but does it meet WP:LISTN? It's currently a list of celebrity sex tapes, not a descriptive or insightful article. Anyway, I intend to aggressively remove entries that are (both) apparently non-consensual and not reported by several high-quality reliable sources. Ovinus ( talk) 09:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
In August 2022, R. Kelly was convicted on multiple counts of production of child sexual abuse material in a federal Chicago trial over the video we know about. My request to change the statement: section. Please and thank you? Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 ( my talk page / my sandbox) 03:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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I'm curious about the reasons for the removel of mention of the Allison Williams tape. The reason given was that it's a "known fake celebrity video" what does that mean? MK2 04:59, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
My name is cathedral107, and I am the one who put the material in about the 'allison williams' who worked at the TV station - and the correct call letters are WVEC-TV. I have actual evidence to confirm the material I posted. I will make this material availiable upon request.
I recently saw this added to the page and I wanted to question its truth.
Former S Club 7 members Jo O'Meara and Jon Lee are in a graphic sex tape in which Lee uses a variety of sex toys on O'Meara.'
There was also a mention of this on the link to Jo O'Meara's page on Wikipedia that expaned on the claim.
In May 2005, Jo was shocked to learn a graphic sex tape she made with former S Club mate Jon Lee had been released on the Internet. Jon uses a variety of sex toys on Jo in the tape and it is one of the few celebrity sex tapes to feature a female cumming.
I have done multiple searches and not been able to find any links or sources to verify this. I have also found nothing under any news former, current or archived. And it also appears there is nowhere to even download the supposed tape. No torrent sites even list the alleged tape and being that this would be likely a popular download find it hard to believe no site would host it or even list it. Can anyone back the claims up or should I delete the statements?
Lummie 13:48, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I wanted to put forth whether certain people removed from the list should be removed. Most notably the ones taken off by Yamla and the reason given that there is not a page made up for them on Wikipedia so that should exclude them. I feel that if its a leaked tape and they are semi famous then their inclusion is note worthy. More importantly I feel judging on the fact a Wikipedia page has not been setup for them not enough to discredit them from the list of celeb sex tapes?
Anyone else want to comment?
Lummie 03:29, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe we should divide these tapes into three groups: Confirmed tapes - those like the Pamela Anderson-Tommy Lee video, where nobody is disputed the existence of the tape; Rumored tapes - for the majority of tapes where claims have been made but the identities of the celebrities has neither been proven or disproven; and Fraudulant tapes - for cases like the Alyson Hanigan tape which have been proven fake.
I don't think we should eliminate any tapes from being mentioned - even those known to be fake. In all cases the rumors are still circulating on the internet. We should provide the factual information about these tapes rather than ignore their existence. MK2 05:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree with this (two year old) idea. I've always thought there should be some order on this page, such as listed in numerical order (either of their film or release date) or in alphabetical order (by the most prominent celebrity) Either way, a confirmed, rumored and fake sections is definetly needed. The purpose of this website is to provide information, I think that listing the fake videos will stop vandalism. If there are no arguments someone should add it. Tydamann ( talk) 13:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There is a tape going around on file sharing networks that is supposedly of Avril Lavigne, I can't find any other information (not that I've actually looked hard at the moment), and given teh above conversation, it would warrant being a Rumoured tape. I will try to find some any sites mentioning this rumour, then add it if theres anything worth adding.
Is this vandalism or is the section removed for a valid reason? Please advise. -- Einsidler 12:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
According to http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004580002-2006450726,00.html she has appeared in a sex tape with Kid Rock and I quote "performing a variety of imaginative sex acts". Pamela herself then goes on to acknowledge that the tape exists. I'm not sure if there's anything on file sharing programs yet though.
Pretty sure thats a mistake, i think they mean tommy lee, im sure they'll change it soon.
I've removed most of the entries in this article under the "Biographies of living persons" policy, which states: Editors should remove any controversial material about living persons that is either unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Reliable sources, or is a conjectural interpretation of a source. I understand that much of what I deleted can be proven true, but in the meantime, it can't stay here. I have no issue with any of those entries returning if they're properly sourced. Thanks. | Mr. Darcy talk 17:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I just reverted User:Commander Zulu's revert. WP:BLP is a core policy. All of those entries can go back in the article if they are accompanied by appropriate citations, but if not, they are clear violations of BLP. | Mr. Darcy talk 00:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Er, I see most of the fake/fraud list has vanished - which seems daft because i) the heading clearly states the tapes to be fake/fraud & ii) a lot of these tapes are in the public domain, if incorrectly identified (eg) the Alyson Hannigan tape has been conclusively shown to be Luna Lane. Despite this, Hannigan is commonly thought to have a sextape, unless a site like Wikipedia can state with authority otherwise. I could point you to the original 'Hannigan/Lane' sex video release website, but as its explicit, I can hardly add it as a reference ! ... This is likely to be problem for a number of these tapes (ie) concrete proof they've been mis-identified, but also not referencable due to content. How do you solve that one ?
Also, surely its beyond dispute that say R Kelly made a sextape ? But its also gone. This seems a silly application of policy for policy's sake - common sense must prevail ! If other media (eg newspaper) consensus is that a tape is legitimate, and the celebrity in question has never rebutted it, shouldn't this count for its inclusion ? I presume you're worried about legal action, but some balance on such a likelihood of legal acton should come into the decision. And if other legitimate outlets (eg newspapers or TV) are confident of their facts, this must lend to credibility of the tapes attribution. (And again you may have problems in referencing a site due to content) The Yeti 03:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I've just had another thought - maybe if we just list in these talk pages the name of the celeb that has been rumoured/assumed real, but not go into any details. Then others can at least (if they have the time) try and hunt down a creditable reference/source, based on the name alone. After all, I doubt you can be sued for writing just (eg) 'Alyson Hannigan sextape' or 'R Kelly sex video' and nothing else ? OK, so anyone could write any name (British Queen sextape!), but some names will crop up more often than others, but those that are obviously nonsense can be weeded out. After all, you've already got some of a list starting in the headings above, and other Wikipedians will add their own, making this talk page very long if there's a heading for each ! Or the subject completely undiscussable if they're all deleted as soon as a name is mentioned. The Yeti 19:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to delete the entries we have here for videos in which none of the participants have their own wiki page. Some of the people even with wiki pages now strain the definition of "celebrity", and I think those without really have to go, in the interests of keeping this article reasonable and readable. Ford MF 02:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I just removed the entry for Bjork on the grounds that it seemed she had produced the content deliberately. We should probably limit the entry to things that have some patina of illegitimacy. This would exclude legitimate (if misguided) career acts like the early pornos of Sylvester Stallone and Spalding Gray. If someone in porn (as a vocation or a day-tripper) becomes non-porn famous, that doesn't mean that their earlier porn is automatically a "celebrity sex tape". Ford MF 22:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree we should limit this page to vaguely illegitimate tapes- my personal feeling is that as long as one of the persons involved is a "Celebrity" (best known for non-porn work) and engaged in sex acts, then the tape should be listed here, regardless of whether or not it was deliberately made or released. -- Commander Zulu 22:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It should be pointed out that, although the Bjork video was deliberately done for a music video, the extracts used were not professionally filmed (ie) they were done by handheld camera by Bjork & her partner alone in private in an amateur fashion. Therefore I believe it is a 'legitimate' sextape. It is not a porn film, does not involve porn actors, and involves (non-porn) celebrities. It is also beyond dispute (ie) not a 'rumour'. This is not like Shortbus, which was a professional film with sex as part of its focus/plot, with studio backing, and filmed by professional cameramen/women. Bjork's film was not a scene that was 'faked', 'set-up', or 'acted'. Question - if this scene had somehow made its way into the public domain without the computer distortion, would it then be a sextape ? As this would obviously not be its intended method of distribution.
On a wider note, I do not see who said or why the title 'celebrity sex tapes' by default excludes stuff that has been deliberately filmed and released. Who defined it as such ? And why such a restriction ? Why must a tape be 'iffy' in origin to appear on the list ? I think a film just being 'amateur' in origin would be a good starting definition. I therefore feel it is in this case legitimate to have it in the list.
PS Ford MF, although I do think that you are in the 'wrong' :) in this case, I do appreciate that you have started a talk and given reasonable arguments to back your POV. I hope we can hammer out a suitable definition. The Yeti 03:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree with you there, and perhaps add that a CST should probably be considered "Amateur"- ie, not a professional, paid production. That would exclude content created for normal/commercial release, but still cover content that may have been deliberately made or released (as MrDarcy suggsts) as part of a scandal, real or otherwise. -- Commander Zulu 04:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
About Mimi... I'm not sure relatives of celebrities count as celebrities in their own right. What did she ever do besides get born a couple years after someone who turned out to be famous? Again, I think if a person doesn't have a wiki entry, they shouldn't be on this list. Ford MF 01:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
A new 'celeb' [4]
Mimi Macpherson does have a Wikipedia article now. There does seem to be an interesting attempt to remove references to her name and her (possible) sextape. For example, someone removed her last name from this header (I just put it back) and kept removing any references to the sextape from her wikipedia site (even as a "possibility") without citing reasons or giving names. One quote indicates: "Mimi Macpherson's sex tape was leaked on the internet by "Moron Project" in July 1997 to counter the Australia-wide media blackout on her silly misdeeds. "This decision to cover up her stupidity in both allowing herself to be filmed in a compromising position, and allowing herself to be used indulging in drug use is a worrying example of how the Australian Media protects it's own", said Moron Project in it's release statement accompanying the sex tape release." However, I can't find much more than that.
OK, reading the above, I discern a possible direction on a possible definition of Celebrity Sex Tapes :
Para 1: So, where would that leave John Leslie + Abi Titmass + other girl ? - JL didn't actively partake, I believe. However, it would be fair to say he was an 'involved' party, as being a voyeur is what got his rocks off (as opposed to a bored cameraman at another porn shoot).
Para 2: Excludes most films made for commercial release.
Para 3: Duh
Para 4: Sorts out 'if they're included in Wiki' point. Also mass media would help define what a celebrity is. Rumoured should be included (as well as fake/fraud) because the mass media are going to go down this route too.
Para 5: should sort out some of the more obscure relatives, and again leave the defintion of a celebrity to the mass media, but such that it would be commented a lot of times by them.
Para 6: legal BS covering
Above would allow Mimi McP, Abi Titmuss, & Bjork (once references found) but exclude Shortbus, Brown Bunny, Sly Stallone, etc. It also ignores whether the film was intended or not for release (to boost careers, etc). It should be pointed out Abi Titmuss wasn't a celebrity at the time (I think), but became one, by dint of being JL's girlfriend and the film, now with TV shows, etc.
My only problem now is the fact that I've seen (supposedly) Cameron Diaz in a film that she really would not want mass released nowadays, but is definitely explicit, but also filmed with a professional cameraman. Should count, but does not fit the above. I'm not talking of that dull topless 'bondage' film rubbish either.
The Yeti 00:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
JL is "involved" in the Abi Titmuss tape- there are, I beleive, two sequences in which she performs fellatio on someone that (supposedly) is him, including while the other woman performs cunnilingus on her. Incidentally, I found a cite for the Abi Titmuss tape, if you count IMDB as a reliable source: Abi Titmuss: Out For The Lads. Otherwise, I agree with your definitions, The Yeti -- Commander Zulu 09:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the John Leslie tape I mentioned was just a example of Para 1. It seems that as JL 'partook' it wasn't the best example. Still, the general principle fits for other tapes. More problematic is Ford MF's example of the Kid Rock/Scott Stapp tape (which I've not seen). Hmmm. But it might let that Diaz tape in (if there were only refs ...)
Regarding using imdb as a source for the Abi Titmuss tape, I'd say that this would be an OK ref, as imdb only lists released films (in this case it also lists a distributor), hence 'officially' acknowledeged as existing & not fraud. Only thing for this tape is it doesn't describe it as sex tape, just adult genre. But as the tape is real and sold in stores, finding a ref shouldn't be too hard. This Guardian [5] article mentions a 'rumoured' sextape at least (so now we can add it!)
P3 may or may not exclude Bjork - have you watched it ? Any others here looked at it ? And if there aren't enough possible refs for Mimi McP, then I guess she don't count. In time I'm sure other users may find enough.
The Yeti 07:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of Tom Sizemore's sex tape on here? It made pretty big news and it's been out for quite a while. Herorev 01:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
What about every time I've included a link to XXXTom.com? What more citation do you need than a site selling the damned thing with clips to boot? I really don't understand this Tom Sizemore sanitation on wikipedia. Btw, http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/article/16090506.php
I've tried to add Page 3 Idol 2004 Keeley Hazell to the list of KNOWN tapes, but it keeps being removed. Justify your actions admin. Here is my evidence [8] now where is yours?
Uh, actually she does have an article and if you paid attention to my posts, you would come to the same conclusion. try [9] or [(unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21259150.shtml] It's sure making news on both sides of the Atlantic considering shes not a 'celebrity'. I verified it myself by watching the video in question. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.77.99.226 ( talk) 02:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Any objection to a move of this page to List of celebrity sex tapes? Because that's what it really is - it's not an article on what a "celebrity sex tape" is. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
This chap has a whole load of listed sex tapes [10], and 'discussions' on their real/fake status. Is he a) a valid cite ref ? b) clean enough to link to for Wikipedia (as some refs already do)? I know some of his list cite Wiki as a ref (so its kinda circular), but there are some links of his own, plus usually the video itself The Yeti 23:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
why was the benzino sex tape removed from the list, it just leaked and its all overt..... GOOGLE it if u dont belive me!!!!!!!
I strongly disagree with the recent reversion by Yamla to the edits on the content of the Celebrity sex tape page.
The edited part discussed the social phenomonen of sex tapes, and the growing popularity. Without the information provided, the user has no idea why these sex tapes are important, nor that they have become remarkably more prevalent in the last 10 years.
Yes, some of this is based on the perception of the writer, and not attributable to a reliable source, but, by comparison, what is the reliable source for the definition of a celebrity sex tape.
The text that was contributed adds background information to the topic, and, helps turn a bland definition of something into a description of something greater - a social phenomenon with a real tipping point and change in socal mores. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.109.248.77 ( talk) 04:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
What about stars who became famous only after the release of their sex tape (as opposed to Paris Hilton, who was already famous before the release of ! Night in Paris).
This is the case with Sibel_Kekilli, who participated/starred in a sex tape at the beginning of her career (i.e. as an unknown and not-yet-famous actor). After she became famous for starring in Head-On, the German tabloid Bild revealed in tabloid manner that she had previously starred in several pornographic movies which were soon reissued in local (read: German) adult video stores/adult video rental places.
But may be mentioning every not so famous famous (in the English speaking world anyway) person is not what the English Wikipedia is about...so I put my observation here.-- 84.145.222.231 17:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I replaced most of this section. Some of it was clearly cruft (imaginary Britney Spears tape) and some of it badly cited (that Serbian chick, whassername), and it was better deleted in the first place. But the rest of it has a place here, I believe. Certainly it's silly to delete Zahra Amir Ebrahimi as a violation of WP:BLP when there's an entire article, personally vetted by Jimbo Wales himself, devoted to the subject. And by "personally vetted", I mean he almost booted me for writing it, but a safe compromise version was accomplished and I don't think this tiny summary violates that.
Also WP:BLP only applies to LIVING PERSONS. Joan Crawford, Marilyn Monroe and Chuck Connors are all dead. And it's kind of important to have these most persistent rumors listed as they are historically important in the context of this article. Anyway what remains is all well cited from reputable sources, so I don't think there should be any more trouble with the section. Ford MF 15:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the Streisand rumour. On reading the entire article identified as the source, there is no mention whatsoever of a porno tape, let alone one of someone resembling Streisand. Risker 19:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
There is (arguably) a 3-minute video file of Fred Durst , lead singer of Limp Bizkit , with an un-named female sex partner , available on the internet . It is prominently watermarked "T.Mobile.Terrorists" and widely distributed .
I have seen the file . It is a carefully made teaser , edited with intercut views from a (likely) longer video , with selected music dubbing over the original audio ...
Even though the existence of a tape has been "known" since February 2005 (it originated in 2003) , Wikipedia is silent on its existence both here , and in the Fred Durst biography page . I believe that there is sufficient public and reliable sourcing now for this silence to end ...
The celebrity gossip site Smoking Gun , on March 5 2005 , http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0304051durst1.html
posted photocopy images of an application for a temporary restraining order ...
listing Gawker Media and additional defendants , and asserting (from a deposition by plaintiff Durst) "an intimate bedroom video" between ... plaintiff and his former girlfriend" ; "in or about 2003 , plaintiff , with his girlfriend's knowlege and consent , recorded by digital video his girfriend and him[self] engaged in various explicit sexual and intimate relations together . Plaintiff is readily identifiable on the video ... "
Additionally , we have these "mainstream" media reports http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1497523/20050225/limp_bizkit.jhtml http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1497823/20050307/limp_bizkit.jhtml
which discuss Durst's legal battle concerning the distribution of the tape and screen-capture images made from it .
Celebrity and "porn" Blogs , such as (for example) http://www.whitecheech.com/index.php/archives/2005/03/01/more-fred-durst-news/
have speculated on who Durst's partner is , but I understand that Wikipedia does not consider such sources reliable . Even
http://www.kpnt.com/MusicNews/Display.aspx?ID=40587
(which I believe has chosen the "wrong" female) is probably not "reliable enough" for use by Wikipedia .
Therefore , I will understand if the female partner is only referred to in our Wikipedia articles as "his former girlfriend" . However , I do not understand how Wikipedia can continue to ignore the existence of this material , and avoid reference to it both in the main page here , and in the Durst biography page .
Durst is entitled to prevent others from distributing or profiting from his private tape , but he is not entitled to prevent us from discussing its existence .
Please comment ... Mmw220 19:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed Mimi again because of the lack of a reliable citation. Her entry on the list was sourced to this article by the Australian Daily Telegraph. Which is apparently a super-sucky paper because their writers cut and paste Wiki articles and then publish them.
The first Wiki-rip-off I noticed was: "Actor Rob Lowe almost destroyed his own career when, in the 1980s, he taped himself having sex with two young girls, one of whom turned out to be underage." Largely because it's what appears in the Wiki article now, and I'm the one who initially wrote it, on January 2, right after the first really big purge of unsourced entries on this list, three months before the Telegraph published its article. The Bob Crane and Kim Kardashian mentions I think are also clearly cut and pasted from this article.
So if our source is clearly and obviously using Wikipedia, using this same article, as its source, well, that kind of cyclical citation just isn't acceptable. Particularly on a dicey WP:BLP article like this one. I can't find a diff of the old Mimi McPherson mention, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think the Telegraph writer might have gotten their scoop on McPherson from us in the first place (whether or not the text is actually similar). Since the rest of the article should have been tagged "Courtesy of Wikipedia" anyway.
Therefore, long-windedly, I have removed the McPherson entry on the list once more, until an actual reputable news source can be produced. Ford MF 17:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The list is missing a refernce to the widely-circulated Katie Price sex tape. Problem is the only on-line sources that seem to be available now are porn sites and blogs with copyvio versions of the tape in question. The fact the tape exists is not in dispute; the problem is (and I think this is the same problem facing the confirmed McPherson tape mentioned above) is Wiki's prohibition against posting porn site links. For example, there is a site called celebritymoviearchive that has clips from both tapes in question, but we can't post the actual link. It's a challenge faced by this topic, I guess. 23skidoo 16:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The lead used to say:
With a citation/footnote that read:
Problem is, that article absolutely does not support that statement. There's nothing in there proving that any celebrities have distributed such tapes willingly. Even if it had made that claim, per WP:NPOV and other policies, the best the sentence could read is "so and so with some publication argues that some tapes are distributed with the willing participation [etc.]"
I didn't even see in there anything making the argument that some celebs willingly did so, so even that statement wouldn't be supported. The person who put that there should really read up on policy for how cituations work, or use some common sense. DreamGuy 12:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
In late 2004 a former pro wrestling star named Chyna Doll and her husband actually approached Red Light District to distribute their amateur sex tape. More than 100,000 copies have sold, the company says, with its stars sharing the profits.
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I have seen a video with Ben Affleck, supposidy before he was famous, to make a little money. It shows him masturbating on a couch. Can I add this? And the only links that I can find, are porn sites... Bryse 04:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the following recently-added entry on the list belongs here:
A sex clip of Vietnamese teen actress and singer Hoang Thuy Linh, famous for the leading role Yellowbird in the Vietnamese television show the Yellow Bird's diary, and her boyfriend was distributed over the internet in October, 2007. The Yellow Bird's diary was seen as an educational show for Vietnamese teens. The 16-minute long sex clip has drawn national attention in Vietnam shortly after it was released.[23] See also Vietnamese "The Yellow Bird" sex clip scandal
I don't think this sufficiently fulfills the "celebrity" part of the equation. On the Vietnamese Wiki perhaps, but not here. The participant doesn't even have a Wikipedia article, and the supposed scandal article is redlinked as well. The article for the TV show this girl is from was created by User:Jack brian (who has only logged edits relating to this sex tape item) after the information was added to this article by an anon IP whom I'm guessing was also jack brian. And that article basically only consists of this one gossip item as well. Ford MF 14:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The following passage does not belong in this article; it is thinly-veiled propaganda, possibly from the state media in Vietnam:
It shocked all Vietnamese teenagers and also adults, mainly because the character Oriolus is the role-model of millions of teenage fans and against Vietnamese tradition. Reactions varied after the sex clip was widely circulated on the internet. While some wanted to offer sympathy, the majority of Vietnamese population and netizens condemned the act of Thuy Linh as ribald and inappropriate. [23] After that, VTV hosted a talk that officially announced an end to the show. [24] [25] However the speech made by Thuy Linh and the show director, as well as comments by MC and other actors/actresses were considered insincere and acted-up. The talk show was also considered a preposterous move of VTV to defend the decadent private lifestyle of Thuy Linh and to appease the audience.[26] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.212.172 ( talk) 18:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I am moving this section to the Talk Page because its verifiability is questionable. All of the reference sources are in Vietnamese, so their content and reliability cannot be confirmed by the intended readers of this encyclopedia, i.e., those who read English. Further, the actress herself is not the subject of a Wikipedia article. The section is also excessively long and somewhat POV. Risker 03:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
We should be cautious about sources in other languages to prevent vandalism, but sometimes news are in the other languages only. So we should be very cautious to save or not. This time there are already AP articles about it yesterday or today. Or may we wait some time until the related person to emotional overcome it? Chengm153 07:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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Going into a clinical discussion of the activities portrayed on a private sex tape never intended for public release (as in the examples of the Jayne Kennedy and Chuck Berry listings) appears to go against Wikipedia policy on BLP, which states (under Presumption in favor of privacy):
"An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid, and as such it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. BLPs must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy." 128.218.20.69 ( talk) 09:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Isn't celebrity is those entertainer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.109.110 ( talk) 03:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Textbook violation of [11] and thus must be removed per BLP. Sceptre ( talk) 14:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Please stop removing the BLPWatch template. I'm assuming people removing it don't even know what its function is. Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/BLPWatch. This article contains information which should adhere to our BLP guidelines, and the template helps ensure it does. Thanks. - Rjd0060 ( talk) 01:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Since I'm getting more and more eager to put this edit warring to rest, I've submitted a report on the BLP noticeboard. I'd like some eyes external to this dispute to look the thing over. Certainly no one else seems to think this is as textbook a violation as User:Spectre. Ford MF ( talk) 01:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:BLP "Editors should avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject. When less-than-reliable publications print material they suspect is untrue, they often include weasel phrases. Look out for these. If the original publication doesn't believe its own story, why should we?"
It is in no may acceptable to be posting information which the source itself acknowledges as dubious when dealing with living people. It is grossly inappropriate to say "So in so celebrity may have had sex on tape, or perhaps it is just a rumor". We are an encyclopedia, not a gossip rag. I ask the the person who returned the rumor section not to return it again. (1 == 2)Until 17:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
(ec)Sorry I don't follow. If the source claims it is really a sex tape, not just a rumor then it should not be in the rumor section. If the source says it is not a celebrity sex tape then it does not belong here at all as it is not relevant. If the source says that it may be a sex tape, but they are not sure(ie use weasel words), then BLP is clear we should not use it.
While some of the people are no longer alive, the issues with relevance and weasel words remains. The standards of WP:Verifiability demand the same, it just has a different level of enforcement. That is to say, BLP removals are exempt from 3RR, while regular verifiability violations are not.
In the end WP:NOT is really the reason we should not have that section. We are not a rumor mill. The topic of this article is celebrity sex tapes, I fail to see how non-celebrity sex tapes that were rumored to be such makes an on-topic addition.
Muddling fact and fiction together in such a way is a disservice to our readers. (1 == 2)Until 17:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Due to edit warring, this page has been fully protected, in accordance with the
Protection Policy. The page will remain fully protected until May 26, or until the problem(s) have been addressed. I invite the involved users to discuss the article on this talk page, and reach a
consensus for disputed information. Thanks,
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Okay, let's take a minute here to go through these entries, since everyone seems to just see the section name and say "RUMORED SEX TAPES? BLP violation!" without actually reading the section:
So where, exactly, is this supposed BLP harm going on here? As Chowbok points out above, explaining persistent rumors (printed in major newsmedia, over periods of decades in some cases) as UNTRUE is as important as reporting what IS true. Ford MF ( talk) 18:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The problem here is the word "rumored," as it implies a degree of scandal & dirt that the actual article doesn't contain. "Unconfirmed" isn't better, especially since some of them are pretty well & truly debunked. Still, I think semantics is a big killer on this point. -- mordicai. ( talk) 20:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Yep, this ol' chestnut - however, there is a reputable source as to the existence of one this time ... http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=566985&in_page_id=1773 (right at the bottom). When the page is unblocked, maybe can be added (as a rumour ! :-) ? The Yeti ( talk) 03:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I said I was going to put it in an order, no one objected so I did. I put it in alphabetical order (dicted by the woman's last name...I also gave a description on the actual page) For the kid Rock tape I put it under his real name (It was either put it under kid rock or scott stapp, a toss up, so I just picked Rock because I am more familiar with him, I do think that for it to be more accurate it should be under who-ever had more 'face' time in the porno..I never saw it) Colin Farrell's tape, I put under his girlfriend's name (it was originally under his) but I chose to do it all under the women's last name. The only other problem I had was with the asian names, Chua Soi Lek, Chu Mei-feng, and Baek Ji Young; I am pretty sure that the asian name is different from the Western names, but since I wasn't sure which name to go by, I just went by the final name. If those are wrong, then someone please correct them. I also re-worded them, just to make the first words the person's name example, what was - A tape of Croatian pop star Severina Vučković - is now Severina Vučković a Croatian pop star. Just to make it a little more easy to read. Tydamann ( talk) 20:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice to at least have it mentioned that there was a sex tape of a man who was claimed to be R Kelly. There are tons of sources out there ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/20/rkelly.trial/index.html ). Also, it should note that he was acquitted of all charges though ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/13/rkelly.closings.ap/index.html ). I'd add it myself, but I'd like someone else to check the sources (and find others) before adding it so it doesn't violate biographies of living persons. 76.116.109.221 ( talk) 08:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
It's just a list and never has been anything more, yet it's not tagged as a list. Whgy doesn't it discuss the legal status of sex tapes, that's what the encyclopedic value could be in this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.28.241 ( talk) 18:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
With her dvd tape Kendra Exposed being released by vivid in June 2010, shouldn'y she be on the list?--Cooly123 19:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 ( talk • contribs)
In February 2008, a tape featuring KISS bassist Gene Simmons having sex was leaked on the internet, but no mention of it here? I thought this one was pretty well known. Youdummy ( talk) 06:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
The title of the page should be "Celebrity sex video" since "tape" doesn't make sense in the Internet era. I believe the kids have no idea that video tapes existed. Gabriel arisi ( talk) 22:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
In an encyclopedia such as this, are criteria for reliable references and sources relaxed when the topic is on the subject of pornography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.64.17 ( talk) 23:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, the Eric Dane sex tape was listed here. Why was it removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.83.4 ( talk) 17:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
What about Nicki Minaj's leaked sex tape?-- Nikinikolananov ( talk) 17:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I had to flag the statement that Hilton and Kardashian's tapes led to their fame, book deals and reality TV shows. Both were already notable before the tapes were released (that's why they were released), with both their reality shows already in production (though not necessarily airing yet) when the tapes emerged. I'm not calling the fact the tapes added to their fame dubious, but the statement references aspects of their careers that were already in place before the tapes emerged. 70.72.211.35 ( talk) 16:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Not sure what the criteria for adding to the list is, but if we have Kendra Wilkinson's tape, then the Karissa Shannon Superstar tape, starring her Girls Next Door co-star should be included. In addition, her partner in the tape is actor Sam Jones III who at the time was known for co-starring in Smallville. 68.146.70.124 ( talk) 17:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Anyone opposed to alphabetical sections? This article is long enough its a bit of a mess now. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 18:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
The fact that someone claims to have a "sex tape" involving a celebrity is not sufficient to include the claim here (or, in general, anywhere on Wikipedia). Inclusion of such an unverified claim is clearly forbidden when one of the participants is alive (especially if they deny the claim). This article is about tapes circulated to the general public, not rumors, unverified reports, or tapes people have locked away. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 15:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Celebrity sex tape →
Sex tape – Very rarely would you ever hear someone use the term "celebrity sex tape" over "sex tape", since the latter seems to be the more common term. This request would also fall under
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, because the article would be a more significant entry over the film because the film itself is inspired by this concept.
WikiRedactor (
talk) 20:14, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
We need to be careful about how we word these listings per WP:BLP rules. I just changed the entry for Minka Kelly as the way it was worded suggested she produced and marketed her sex tape herself, whereas the linked articles state otherwise. 68.146.52.234 ( talk) 14:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
What does everyone think? OK, not OK, don't care, "this article is about celebrity sex tapes and deserves the amount of attention that one would give to a buzzing fly"? --
Scalhotrod - Just your
average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...
(Talk)
18:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Lately there have been removals of entries from this list stating "not within the scope of the article" or similar statements. I'm not sure how they are applying this, but it appears that we don't have a source for what a celebrity sex tape is or is not.
I would have to say that at minimum its video footage (film or electronic media) of an identifiable celebrity engaged in a
sexual act of some kind. But I can't say much beyond that. Anyone have any
reliable sources that give a more detailed or better definition? --
Scalhotrod - Just your
average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...
(Talk)
20:06, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I added some content to the Rob Lowe entry from his article that unbeknownst to me was not correctly sourced. I have since corrected the sourcing issue. The missing cite was this [1] that states the the age of consent in Georgia is 16 meaning that neither of the women that Lowe was video taped with were underage as some sources have claimed. -- Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Can R. Kelly's sex tapes be added? Michael14375 ( talk) 17:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I have no question that the topic meets WP:GNG, but does it meet WP:LISTN? It's currently a list of celebrity sex tapes, not a descriptive or insightful article. Anyway, I intend to aggressively remove entries that are (both) apparently non-consensual and not reported by several high-quality reliable sources. Ovinus ( talk) 09:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
In August 2022, R. Kelly was convicted on multiple counts of production of child sexual abuse material in a federal Chicago trial over the video we know about. My request to change the statement: section. Please and thank you? Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 ( my talk page / my sandbox) 03:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)