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There's nothing to back up scientifically any claims. People who claim they know what a ceiling fan is doing because of the Laws of Physics are really talking nonsense. What is really going on is probably more complicated than a simple schoolboys explaination that Hot air rises. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.215.127 ( talk) 13:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
There should be some more additional technical information about a Ceiling Fan, for Example:-
1. How the ceiling fan works? 2. What is the function of Armature and Capacitor in a Fan? 3. What is the difference between a capacitor fan and a non-capacior fan? 4. Why a capacitor is necessary for a capacitor type fan? 5. How a non-capacitor fan works without a capacitor?
Mujeeb Ahmed, Karachi-Pakistan.
This talk page has been blanked since the article has been completely rewritten.
Piercetheorganist 12:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to edit the ceiling fan article.
Upon careful review, it is evident that all statements are properly sourced using The Fan Book ( ISBN 0-8359-1855-6).
The tag you added has been removed. Thank you for your interest.
Piercetheorganist 01:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Citations added. Piercetheorganist 09:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
A section outlining the advantages and disadvantages of snugger fans would be appropriate. Idioma 00:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "BASIS" for comparison? - Superbeecat 08:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
In the "perceived usefulness section", in the paragraph about humidity, something doesn't seem right. I can see that perceived usefulness here means the need for a fan, and thus fans are needed more in more humid climates (as explained by ), but I read it to mean the actual usefulness of a single fan: a fan cools one more in a dry climate, thus the fan is perceived as being more useful. Does anyone else see this? ChrisMP1 14:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
This is how the section you question currently reads:
"Since a fan creates its cooling effect by speeding the evaporation of moisture on human skin, its perceived usefulness is directly correlated with the amount of humidity (moisture) in the room. In dry environments, such as desert climates, a fan has a lesser perceived usefulness than in humid environments; this is especially notable during cold weather, where a humid environment has a pronounced wind-chill effect which is lacking in dry environments."
The introductory paragraph to the heat index article reads:
"The human body normally cools itself by perspiration, or sweating, in which the water in the sweat evaporates and carries heat away from the body. However, when the relative humidity is high, the evaporation rate of water is reduced. This means heat is removed from the body at a lower rate, causing it to retain more heat than it would in dry air.""
...thus proving that my original statement was correct. In humid climates, heat is naturally removed from the body at a lower rate than in dry climates, causing a person to remain hotter longer than in dry climates. Thus, there is a greater need for a fan than in desert climates--thus it is perceived as being more useful.
I'm originally from the east coast myself, and I lived here my whole life save for two years in Utah--a very distinct desert climate. The lack of humidity out there is actually quite a pleasure. In the summer there, it can be 105 degrees and feel no hotter than 85 here on the east coast--you look at the thermometer there and say "Wow, I didn't realize it's over 100--this isn't that uncomfortable!". I wasn't dying for a fan there, the way I do here. Also, the converse is true--the winters out there are more bearable than they are here. They don't seem as cold, because the humidity is really what adds the "bone-chilling" factor into the mix.
That's my opinion, FWIW Piercetheorganist 18:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not disagreeing. I'm stating that percieved usefulness is possibly being used in a confusing way. You're basically saying, that a fan that doesn't work as well (because of humidity) is perceived as being more useful because it will be needed more. However, perceived usefulness seems to me to mean that the fan is perceived as being more useful in a dry climate because it works better. IMHO. ChrisMP1 22:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, you contradict yourself. You state that a fan cools one more in a HUMID climate, then go on to say that In humid climates, …, causing a person to remain hotter longer than in dry climates. IM(not-so)HO. ChrisMP1 22:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The term "perceived usefulness" is vague and needs to be defined. The section may need a rewrite depending on how it is defined. Idioma 03:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry; I guess I got a little hot-headed. My rant was a little bit rude… Actually, the article is very good, and I apologize for not checking it. Also, in response to the userbox comment - I agree. I got very rude here, and I'm not normally like that, so you have my sincerest apologies. ChrisMP1 14:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
First off, Pierce please do not use inflammatory language such as "panties in a bunch". Such language does not contribute to the collaborative nature of Wikipedia. I am not here to promote my own agenda. I'm here to work together with others to create a resource for the world to use freely. The I think this article is very informative. However it needs work to conform to Wikipedia standards such as WP:NPOV among others that I have already communicated to you. This is partially due to it being authored almost entirely by one person who fights every single edit anyone else makes to it. "Perceived usefulness" is vague because different people find different features to be useful. These seem to be a list of items that you perceive to be useful. The confusion that lead to this discussion is because of this lack of definition. I cannot define useful means in this instance because I don't know what you find useful until after I read the section. Perceived is also a sticky word. Who's perception. Most apparently it is probably yours, or you will attribute it to "The Fan Book". If it is from the fan book, use inline citation (page numbers are always nice). I have repeatedly thanked you for your contributions to this article, I encourage you to continue to work in cooperation with others to improve this article. Instead of getting offended when people make suggestions and changes listen to their concern and see what you can do to improve the article, responding with civility. Kaizen. Idioma 03:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
That stuff all seems very self-explanatory. Idioma, I think you're out of line here--you're not generating anything usable; the stuff you picked apart is very basic. I'm going to contact you on your talk page, so please be sure to check it. Thanks. Piercetheorganist 02:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there some fantastic easy Wikipedia way to see whether a page about the same topics has been written in another language? Piercetheorganist 09:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
By the way, your blank article on the Spanish Wikipedia has been deleted, so I removed the link. ChrisMP1 14:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I will be reinstating the following edit in the Uses section:
There is an exception to the standard rule of blowing down in the summer and up in the winter. When a ceiling fan is mounted in a room with very high ceilings that are two stories/levels high. The mode of operation is reversed. In this scenario the fan is mounted so high up that there is no significant "wind chill effect". The purpose then becomes to move hot air down in the winter and pull cold air up in the summer. (fundamentally incorrect - use logic and think about that statement Piercetheorganist 02:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC))
I will cite the following web resources as well : http://www.wonderquest.com/Fans.htm and http://totalsync.com/blog/2005/01/29/ceiling-fan-direction-wheres-my-compass/
Piercetheorganist has reverted this content and we are discussing it in our talk pages. Piercetheorganist states that the information is obvious and redundant to the Height of the fan relative to the observer paragraph within the Bases for comparison section. This is not the point. The fact I am presenting is not that fans mounted higher than normal give no perceived cooling effect, but that they serve instead to more efficiently circulate the air in reversed opperation at a height where they cannot be effective in cooling via the "wind chill" effect. Refer to the cited articles for more information, which was the purpose of adding this information. I feel this is important information for users of ceiling fans to be aware of, hence my addition of content. If anyone feels they can convey this information more clearly I welcome their edits. But I will not stand for blanking. -- SB 01:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Why your "exception" is incorrect
The reason I am continually reverting your edit is not so much because your sources suck (though they do), but more because the point you are making is illogical.
So,
SB, my messages to you are:
1. Et suppositio nil ponit in esse. Memorize that, and learn what it means.
2. Don't re-instate your statement of fact unless you can prove that it is, in fact, fact.
Thanks. Piercetheorganist 10:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Piercetheorganist has written at length on his/her reasons for reverting
SB's edits. I have to say that I don't find The Fan Book compelling, I don't think all of
Piercetheorganist's comments are relevant (e.g. mention of the
first law of thermodynamics with no context), and on reflection I think that the original statement about an exception by
SB is quite plausible. I don't know for certain either way which is right, but I hope other readers will not confuse the length of
Piercetheorganist's comments and mention of theoretical concepts in physics with correctness. This point deserves to be debated with hard facts, not rhetoric.
—DIV (
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I would like to have some mention of industrial ceiling fans on Wikipedia as industrial users have different needs and tolerances than the average home ceiling fan user. Since I am a new contributor would it be best to add a section to this page or create a new page specific to industrial ceiling fans that is cross referenced here?
As a matter of full disclosure I do work for a company that designs and manufactures industrial ceiling fans. I understand that the purpose of Wikipedia is not to promote specific businesses. This will guide the information I would like to include about industrial ceiling fans. The material included will be encyclopedic, will follow wiki-style and be fully sourced and cited to the best of my abilities.
Can we sort out the best place to put this information before I add and edit only to have it pulled down?
Thanks,
Bigassfans ( talk) 17:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
could someone add a section on the recent changes in ceiling fans due to energy star regulations. I have noticed more small base candellabra bulbs in use and someone at Lowe's told me there is a regulator on many fans that limits bulb output to 190 watts total (no matter how many bulbs are used). Is this true? I appologize if this is in the wrong place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Outofnapkins ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says in summer to operate the fan counterclockwise to get a cooling downward breeze. However the following EPA page contradicts this:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=ceiling_fans.pr_ceiling_fans_usage
"In the summer, use the ceiling fan in the clockwise direction. While standing directly under the ceiling fan you should feel a cool breeze."
I've found other contradictory pages too. Which of these is correct? AcesDoubleSuited ( talk) 05:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
It could be that the confusion is because the clockwise or counter-clockwise direction depends on perspective. The article specifies the perspective as standing under the fan and looking up. Perhaps the EPA perspective is that of looking down on the fan from above. Does it really matter, though? Anyone using a fan should be able to figure out whether the air is blowing up or down. Mikeblyth ( talk) 06:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)mikeblyth
I am new to the world of Wikipedia's talk section, and unlike Piercetheorganist, I am going to use real information in my edits. According to this webpage: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cooling.html. It is even worse to have a ceiling fan circulating "clockwise" in the summer than is not having a ceiling fan at all. The reasoning for the quotes around "clockwise" is because on 90% of ceiling fans, counterclockwise is downward air flow and clockwise is upward air flow, and the other 10% it is the other way around. So in this section, we really should say upward air flow or downward air flow, instead of just the direction. The reason why the fan must be on the downward air movement in the summer is because, if it is set to upward air movement, it moves the warm air at the ceiling back down towards the living area, effectively making it worse. Ceiling fans do not change the temperature of a room like air conditioners do. Instead, the way ceiling fans cool you is by creating a breeze or wind chill effect that will make you feel cooler. If the downward air flow is engaged, the fan is pushing air down from the ceiling towards you and creates a breeze or windchill effect that naturally makes your body feel cooler in the summer. On most ceiling fans, counter-clockwise is the setting for downward air movement and clockwise is the setting for upward air movement. If you are unsure what direction is the correct direction, you must do as follows. Turn the ceiling fan on its highest setting and stand directly under it, if you feel a breeze of air pushing down to you, you have found the downward airflow setting. To verify, turn the fan off, stop the blades with your hands, and flip the switch the other way. Turn the fan back back on the highest setting and compare the amount air you feel with the other direction.(on virtually all ceiling fans there is an up/down or left to right switch, this switch is to reverse the blades) The direction which you feel the most air is the downward air movement setting. In the summertime, the ceiling fan should be used on the downward air movement setting and on its highest speed.
In the winter, it's the exact opposite. In the winter, the ceiling fan should be used on the upward air movement setting and on its lowest speed in order to pull the cold air up and push the warm air down off the ceiling to where you are situated. Hot air rises and the heat will naturally rise to the ceiling so when using the upward air movement setting and the fan is turned on low speed, the fan is pushing the hot air off the ceiling down to your level. The reason why it must be on low in the winter is because on low speed, the fan is circulating fast enough to push down the warm air that has collected near the ceiling but not fast enough for the wind chill effect to kick in and make you feel even colder. Most of this information can be found on this webpage: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/heating.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.38.194 ( talk) 17:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
The term "resistor" in the section on controls is not right, as neither example given (iron core transformer, electronic control) is a resistor or resistive load. I'm not sure what term would work better -- perhaps just "power regulator" or "regulating element" if you don't want to get into technicalities of different control methods.
Mikeblyth ( talk) 06:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)mikeblyth
Is this picture really necessary? Its quality is poor, its value to the article is quite low, and it was posted by a user who has been suspended (User: Piercetheorganist). I just don't see how it adds anything to the article. A ceiling fan is a ceiling fan, even if it is a 'rare Panasonic' variety. Just my thoughts on the matter. Cheers all. 71.194.163.228 ( talk) 23:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I actually just had this happen. The wobbling caused the downpipe to fail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.0.108 ( talk) 13:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Just to join in on this, my grandma actually had that happen a couple of years back. The fan was not installed properly, it was very loose, and it would wobble like heck. Not only that but the metal hemisphere at the end of the downrod unstuck from the ceiling and you could see the wires holding the fan to the ceiling. After 7 years of noticing that I finally got a phone call saying that the fan finally fell down from the ceiling. They were even stupid enough to put it back up instead of replacing it. I knew for years even as a kid, that it would fall some day. It's pretty obvious, if it wobbles and if the hemispheric downrod mount unsticks from the ceiling, it's gonna fall. Although I think they might have a suspended ceiling in that room and so I'm gonna try, for safety reasons to entice them to take it down and put in a regular light before they sell the house. I think the guy who wrote that wobbling doesn't lead to falling might have been drunk when he wrote that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.38.194 ( talk) 16:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
The information in "Broken Chain" certainly didn't merit existence as its own section, and in fact looked too irredeemably random to be useful for inclusion in the article. Probably a pretty obvious thing to delete, but I'm kind of a Wikipedia novice so I thought I wouldn't be quite bold enough to delete it without mentioning it here. Fried Gold ( talk) 21:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I have a story about a pull chain issue. In 2010, I had a Hunter ceiling fan installed in my bedroom. Not long after that my table lamp broke and my only source of light was the light on the ceiling fan. Every time I needed to have the light on, I would have no choice but to pull the chain to turn on and off the light. With that said, after only 11 months after the fan was installed, the pull chain for the light got stuck in the on position and would not click. I tried to fix it by feeding the chain into the fan and then the chain just got sucked up into the fan.A couple of months later, one of my family members managed to get the chain out of the fan but couldn't unstick it. What I ended up doing was getting the chain to stick in the "light off" position and buying a lamp so I could use the fan during the day. What I found out had happened was the pull chain switch went bad and needed to be replaced. I found out that a new one cost less than $10, so I went to the store and bought one but have yet to put it in. Because of this, in the future I will only buy fans without lights so that this doesn't happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.38.194 ( talk) 17:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
I just went ahead and deleted the following:
---Despite the fact that a "balancing kit" (bag of small, adhesive-backed metal or plastic chips) is included with all new ceiling fans, many wobbling issues are not the result of a blade being too light, and therefore cannot be fixed by this method. Hunter states that their new system, the Perfect Balance system, can "automatically adjust the blades with every rotation and eliminate wobble once and for all."---
Wikipedia is not a place for advertising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.9.33 ( talk) 02:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering the spans of blades. I would like to know the tiniest ceiling fans and the largest ceiling fans. Also they have made some crazy fan styles (including fan blades containing OTHER fans ...and some fan blades are GIANT LEAVES!) I think that all of this should be included in the article. In-Correct ( talk) 22:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I was seeking verification about those metal industrial strength three blade (spinner?) ceiling fans that spin rapidly. That they MUST be installed in high ceilings where the blades are impossible to reach a person because they are just as bad as a giant exhaust fan or a HVAC fan. Touching the blades while spinning could cause terrible injury. In-Correct ( talk) 22:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
we need more cieling fan pictures. can someone find some? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.74.42 ( talk) 23:06, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Not a ceiling fan by the modern sense but it's a fan and on the ceiling, predating the modern design. Not knowing the name Punkah can make finding anything about it a hard google search, some mention here would be nice.
Linking to here /info/en/?search=Punkah
We gotta change that, folks.
It says "poop" on the bottom left corner Ariodant ( talk) 21:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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There's nothing to back up scientifically any claims. People who claim they know what a ceiling fan is doing because of the Laws of Physics are really talking nonsense. What is really going on is probably more complicated than a simple schoolboys explaination that Hot air rises. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.215.127 ( talk) 13:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
There should be some more additional technical information about a Ceiling Fan, for Example:-
1. How the ceiling fan works? 2. What is the function of Armature and Capacitor in a Fan? 3. What is the difference between a capacitor fan and a non-capacior fan? 4. Why a capacitor is necessary for a capacitor type fan? 5. How a non-capacitor fan works without a capacitor?
Mujeeb Ahmed, Karachi-Pakistan.
This talk page has been blanked since the article has been completely rewritten.
Piercetheorganist 12:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to edit the ceiling fan article.
Upon careful review, it is evident that all statements are properly sourced using The Fan Book ( ISBN 0-8359-1855-6).
The tag you added has been removed. Thank you for your interest.
Piercetheorganist 01:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Citations added. Piercetheorganist 09:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
A section outlining the advantages and disadvantages of snugger fans would be appropriate. Idioma 00:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "BASIS" for comparison? - Superbeecat 08:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
In the "perceived usefulness section", in the paragraph about humidity, something doesn't seem right. I can see that perceived usefulness here means the need for a fan, and thus fans are needed more in more humid climates (as explained by ), but I read it to mean the actual usefulness of a single fan: a fan cools one more in a dry climate, thus the fan is perceived as being more useful. Does anyone else see this? ChrisMP1 14:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
This is how the section you question currently reads:
"Since a fan creates its cooling effect by speeding the evaporation of moisture on human skin, its perceived usefulness is directly correlated with the amount of humidity (moisture) in the room. In dry environments, such as desert climates, a fan has a lesser perceived usefulness than in humid environments; this is especially notable during cold weather, where a humid environment has a pronounced wind-chill effect which is lacking in dry environments."
The introductory paragraph to the heat index article reads:
"The human body normally cools itself by perspiration, or sweating, in which the water in the sweat evaporates and carries heat away from the body. However, when the relative humidity is high, the evaporation rate of water is reduced. This means heat is removed from the body at a lower rate, causing it to retain more heat than it would in dry air.""
...thus proving that my original statement was correct. In humid climates, heat is naturally removed from the body at a lower rate than in dry climates, causing a person to remain hotter longer than in dry climates. Thus, there is a greater need for a fan than in desert climates--thus it is perceived as being more useful.
I'm originally from the east coast myself, and I lived here my whole life save for two years in Utah--a very distinct desert climate. The lack of humidity out there is actually quite a pleasure. In the summer there, it can be 105 degrees and feel no hotter than 85 here on the east coast--you look at the thermometer there and say "Wow, I didn't realize it's over 100--this isn't that uncomfortable!". I wasn't dying for a fan there, the way I do here. Also, the converse is true--the winters out there are more bearable than they are here. They don't seem as cold, because the humidity is really what adds the "bone-chilling" factor into the mix.
That's my opinion, FWIW Piercetheorganist 18:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not disagreeing. I'm stating that percieved usefulness is possibly being used in a confusing way. You're basically saying, that a fan that doesn't work as well (because of humidity) is perceived as being more useful because it will be needed more. However, perceived usefulness seems to me to mean that the fan is perceived as being more useful in a dry climate because it works better. IMHO. ChrisMP1 22:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, you contradict yourself. You state that a fan cools one more in a HUMID climate, then go on to say that In humid climates, …, causing a person to remain hotter longer than in dry climates. IM(not-so)HO. ChrisMP1 22:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The term "perceived usefulness" is vague and needs to be defined. The section may need a rewrite depending on how it is defined. Idioma 03:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry; I guess I got a little hot-headed. My rant was a little bit rude… Actually, the article is very good, and I apologize for not checking it. Also, in response to the userbox comment - I agree. I got very rude here, and I'm not normally like that, so you have my sincerest apologies. ChrisMP1 14:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
First off, Pierce please do not use inflammatory language such as "panties in a bunch". Such language does not contribute to the collaborative nature of Wikipedia. I am not here to promote my own agenda. I'm here to work together with others to create a resource for the world to use freely. The I think this article is very informative. However it needs work to conform to Wikipedia standards such as WP:NPOV among others that I have already communicated to you. This is partially due to it being authored almost entirely by one person who fights every single edit anyone else makes to it. "Perceived usefulness" is vague because different people find different features to be useful. These seem to be a list of items that you perceive to be useful. The confusion that lead to this discussion is because of this lack of definition. I cannot define useful means in this instance because I don't know what you find useful until after I read the section. Perceived is also a sticky word. Who's perception. Most apparently it is probably yours, or you will attribute it to "The Fan Book". If it is from the fan book, use inline citation (page numbers are always nice). I have repeatedly thanked you for your contributions to this article, I encourage you to continue to work in cooperation with others to improve this article. Instead of getting offended when people make suggestions and changes listen to their concern and see what you can do to improve the article, responding with civility. Kaizen. Idioma 03:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
That stuff all seems very self-explanatory. Idioma, I think you're out of line here--you're not generating anything usable; the stuff you picked apart is very basic. I'm going to contact you on your talk page, so please be sure to check it. Thanks. Piercetheorganist 02:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there some fantastic easy Wikipedia way to see whether a page about the same topics has been written in another language? Piercetheorganist 09:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
By the way, your blank article on the Spanish Wikipedia has been deleted, so I removed the link. ChrisMP1 14:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I will be reinstating the following edit in the Uses section:
There is an exception to the standard rule of blowing down in the summer and up in the winter. When a ceiling fan is mounted in a room with very high ceilings that are two stories/levels high. The mode of operation is reversed. In this scenario the fan is mounted so high up that there is no significant "wind chill effect". The purpose then becomes to move hot air down in the winter and pull cold air up in the summer. (fundamentally incorrect - use logic and think about that statement Piercetheorganist 02:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC))
I will cite the following web resources as well : http://www.wonderquest.com/Fans.htm and http://totalsync.com/blog/2005/01/29/ceiling-fan-direction-wheres-my-compass/
Piercetheorganist has reverted this content and we are discussing it in our talk pages. Piercetheorganist states that the information is obvious and redundant to the Height of the fan relative to the observer paragraph within the Bases for comparison section. This is not the point. The fact I am presenting is not that fans mounted higher than normal give no perceived cooling effect, but that they serve instead to more efficiently circulate the air in reversed opperation at a height where they cannot be effective in cooling via the "wind chill" effect. Refer to the cited articles for more information, which was the purpose of adding this information. I feel this is important information for users of ceiling fans to be aware of, hence my addition of content. If anyone feels they can convey this information more clearly I welcome their edits. But I will not stand for blanking. -- SB 01:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Why your "exception" is incorrect
The reason I am continually reverting your edit is not so much because your sources suck (though they do), but more because the point you are making is illogical.
So,
SB, my messages to you are:
1. Et suppositio nil ponit in esse. Memorize that, and learn what it means.
2. Don't re-instate your statement of fact unless you can prove that it is, in fact, fact.
Thanks. Piercetheorganist 10:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Piercetheorganist has written at length on his/her reasons for reverting
SB's edits. I have to say that I don't find The Fan Book compelling, I don't think all of
Piercetheorganist's comments are relevant (e.g. mention of the
first law of thermodynamics with no context), and on reflection I think that the original statement about an exception by
SB is quite plausible. I don't know for certain either way which is right, but I hope other readers will not confuse the length of
Piercetheorganist's comments and mention of theoretical concepts in physics with correctness. This point deserves to be debated with hard facts, not rhetoric.
—DIV (
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09:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC))
I would like to have some mention of industrial ceiling fans on Wikipedia as industrial users have different needs and tolerances than the average home ceiling fan user. Since I am a new contributor would it be best to add a section to this page or create a new page specific to industrial ceiling fans that is cross referenced here?
As a matter of full disclosure I do work for a company that designs and manufactures industrial ceiling fans. I understand that the purpose of Wikipedia is not to promote specific businesses. This will guide the information I would like to include about industrial ceiling fans. The material included will be encyclopedic, will follow wiki-style and be fully sourced and cited to the best of my abilities.
Can we sort out the best place to put this information before I add and edit only to have it pulled down?
Thanks,
Bigassfans ( talk) 17:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
could someone add a section on the recent changes in ceiling fans due to energy star regulations. I have noticed more small base candellabra bulbs in use and someone at Lowe's told me there is a regulator on many fans that limits bulb output to 190 watts total (no matter how many bulbs are used). Is this true? I appologize if this is in the wrong place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Outofnapkins ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says in summer to operate the fan counterclockwise to get a cooling downward breeze. However the following EPA page contradicts this:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=ceiling_fans.pr_ceiling_fans_usage
"In the summer, use the ceiling fan in the clockwise direction. While standing directly under the ceiling fan you should feel a cool breeze."
I've found other contradictory pages too. Which of these is correct? AcesDoubleSuited ( talk) 05:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
It could be that the confusion is because the clockwise or counter-clockwise direction depends on perspective. The article specifies the perspective as standing under the fan and looking up. Perhaps the EPA perspective is that of looking down on the fan from above. Does it really matter, though? Anyone using a fan should be able to figure out whether the air is blowing up or down. Mikeblyth ( talk) 06:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)mikeblyth
I am new to the world of Wikipedia's talk section, and unlike Piercetheorganist, I am going to use real information in my edits. According to this webpage: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cooling.html. It is even worse to have a ceiling fan circulating "clockwise" in the summer than is not having a ceiling fan at all. The reasoning for the quotes around "clockwise" is because on 90% of ceiling fans, counterclockwise is downward air flow and clockwise is upward air flow, and the other 10% it is the other way around. So in this section, we really should say upward air flow or downward air flow, instead of just the direction. The reason why the fan must be on the downward air movement in the summer is because, if it is set to upward air movement, it moves the warm air at the ceiling back down towards the living area, effectively making it worse. Ceiling fans do not change the temperature of a room like air conditioners do. Instead, the way ceiling fans cool you is by creating a breeze or wind chill effect that will make you feel cooler. If the downward air flow is engaged, the fan is pushing air down from the ceiling towards you and creates a breeze or windchill effect that naturally makes your body feel cooler in the summer. On most ceiling fans, counter-clockwise is the setting for downward air movement and clockwise is the setting for upward air movement. If you are unsure what direction is the correct direction, you must do as follows. Turn the ceiling fan on its highest setting and stand directly under it, if you feel a breeze of air pushing down to you, you have found the downward airflow setting. To verify, turn the fan off, stop the blades with your hands, and flip the switch the other way. Turn the fan back back on the highest setting and compare the amount air you feel with the other direction.(on virtually all ceiling fans there is an up/down or left to right switch, this switch is to reverse the blades) The direction which you feel the most air is the downward air movement setting. In the summertime, the ceiling fan should be used on the downward air movement setting and on its highest speed.
In the winter, it's the exact opposite. In the winter, the ceiling fan should be used on the upward air movement setting and on its lowest speed in order to pull the cold air up and push the warm air down off the ceiling to where you are situated. Hot air rises and the heat will naturally rise to the ceiling so when using the upward air movement setting and the fan is turned on low speed, the fan is pushing the hot air off the ceiling down to your level. The reason why it must be on low in the winter is because on low speed, the fan is circulating fast enough to push down the warm air that has collected near the ceiling but not fast enough for the wind chill effect to kick in and make you feel even colder. Most of this information can be found on this webpage: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/heating.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.38.194 ( talk) 17:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
The term "resistor" in the section on controls is not right, as neither example given (iron core transformer, electronic control) is a resistor or resistive load. I'm not sure what term would work better -- perhaps just "power regulator" or "regulating element" if you don't want to get into technicalities of different control methods.
Mikeblyth ( talk) 06:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)mikeblyth
Is this picture really necessary? Its quality is poor, its value to the article is quite low, and it was posted by a user who has been suspended (User: Piercetheorganist). I just don't see how it adds anything to the article. A ceiling fan is a ceiling fan, even if it is a 'rare Panasonic' variety. Just my thoughts on the matter. Cheers all. 71.194.163.228 ( talk) 23:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I actually just had this happen. The wobbling caused the downpipe to fail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.0.108 ( talk) 13:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Just to join in on this, my grandma actually had that happen a couple of years back. The fan was not installed properly, it was very loose, and it would wobble like heck. Not only that but the metal hemisphere at the end of the downrod unstuck from the ceiling and you could see the wires holding the fan to the ceiling. After 7 years of noticing that I finally got a phone call saying that the fan finally fell down from the ceiling. They were even stupid enough to put it back up instead of replacing it. I knew for years even as a kid, that it would fall some day. It's pretty obvious, if it wobbles and if the hemispheric downrod mount unsticks from the ceiling, it's gonna fall. Although I think they might have a suspended ceiling in that room and so I'm gonna try, for safety reasons to entice them to take it down and put in a regular light before they sell the house. I think the guy who wrote that wobbling doesn't lead to falling might have been drunk when he wrote that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.38.194 ( talk) 16:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
The information in "Broken Chain" certainly didn't merit existence as its own section, and in fact looked too irredeemably random to be useful for inclusion in the article. Probably a pretty obvious thing to delete, but I'm kind of a Wikipedia novice so I thought I wouldn't be quite bold enough to delete it without mentioning it here. Fried Gold ( talk) 21:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I have a story about a pull chain issue. In 2010, I had a Hunter ceiling fan installed in my bedroom. Not long after that my table lamp broke and my only source of light was the light on the ceiling fan. Every time I needed to have the light on, I would have no choice but to pull the chain to turn on and off the light. With that said, after only 11 months after the fan was installed, the pull chain for the light got stuck in the on position and would not click. I tried to fix it by feeding the chain into the fan and then the chain just got sucked up into the fan.A couple of months later, one of my family members managed to get the chain out of the fan but couldn't unstick it. What I ended up doing was getting the chain to stick in the "light off" position and buying a lamp so I could use the fan during the day. What I found out had happened was the pull chain switch went bad and needed to be replaced. I found out that a new one cost less than $10, so I went to the store and bought one but have yet to put it in. Because of this, in the future I will only buy fans without lights so that this doesn't happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.38.194 ( talk) 17:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
I just went ahead and deleted the following:
---Despite the fact that a "balancing kit" (bag of small, adhesive-backed metal or plastic chips) is included with all new ceiling fans, many wobbling issues are not the result of a blade being too light, and therefore cannot be fixed by this method. Hunter states that their new system, the Perfect Balance system, can "automatically adjust the blades with every rotation and eliminate wobble once and for all."---
Wikipedia is not a place for advertising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.9.33 ( talk) 02:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering the spans of blades. I would like to know the tiniest ceiling fans and the largest ceiling fans. Also they have made some crazy fan styles (including fan blades containing OTHER fans ...and some fan blades are GIANT LEAVES!) I think that all of this should be included in the article. In-Correct ( talk) 22:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I was seeking verification about those metal industrial strength three blade (spinner?) ceiling fans that spin rapidly. That they MUST be installed in high ceilings where the blades are impossible to reach a person because they are just as bad as a giant exhaust fan or a HVAC fan. Touching the blades while spinning could cause terrible injury. In-Correct ( talk) 22:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
we need more cieling fan pictures. can someone find some? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.74.42 ( talk) 23:06, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Not a ceiling fan by the modern sense but it's a fan and on the ceiling, predating the modern design. Not knowing the name Punkah can make finding anything about it a hard google search, some mention here would be nice.
Linking to here /info/en/?search=Punkah
We gotta change that, folks.
It says "poop" on the bottom left corner Ariodant ( talk) 21:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)