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Well, I was going over the Greek alphabet a few days ago, and I noticed something. Doesn't it seem quite strange how the final form of the Greek sigma, ς, looks unusually like our c- cedilla, ç. They are both pronounced almost the same. Plus the Greek script has had quite some influences on our Latin script. I hypothesize that ς could've been brought to the attention of the Romans via Syracuse, you know, Sicily was once a Greek land. Now, I know about that one Visigoth letter and all that, so please don't bother telling me about that. But, alas, if this can be disproved, it may be how we have commas or even ogoneks instead of cedillas in diacritics, especially with the Slavic/ Baltic groups of languages and Romanian. And maybe Turkish too ... well, no because they just "copied off" of "Western" ideas, in the case of the scripts, replaced the Arabic scripts with the Latin, which I think was a very wise move. Otherwise, who would've been able to read Ottoman Turkish? It used, sorry if I'm exaggerating, many Arabic characters of which almost half of the characters are obsolete in the standard Arabic script today. Il Studioso 06:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting a reference for that statement as several documents use a detached cedilla, the Marshallese language commission recommended a (non specific) diacritic below. The Marshallese Language Orthography (Standard Spelling) Act of 2010 applies the rules of the MED (1979), but it is not clear what was meant by cedilla, if there is only one correct shape for the cedilla or if the cedilla can have different shapes as it the case in many languages where it can be both detached or attached depending on the font style. -- Moyogo/ (talk) 12:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I hadn't been keeping up with this discussion. No, I'm not aware of any situation of Marshallese rejecting alternative diacritic shapes. All I know is what is prescribed, and what actually appears in the MED, official postal stamps and in the BoM, and all printed texts in general that I've seen that use this orthography. Note that the MED orthography with cedillas, though now officially adopted, is one of two orthographies in common use — the former official orthography is still commonly used, but gradually being replaced by the new orthography as younger people learn and adopt it. The differences between the two orthographies are detailed at the article on the Marshallese language. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 21:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I'd be interested in an explanation of why ç is used instead of s in French, as to my ears the sounds are often quite similar. Is it for Latin words that no longer sound like they used to due to sound changes?
I've also added a bit more about modernist cedilla designs, which I know have been used in French and other languages quite a bit and I think are worth mentioning. But I'm not a very good French-speaker (my interest in them came through knowledge of font design and internationalisation) and I think it might be nice if someone who is took a look at what I've added. Blythwood ( talk) 09:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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Well, I was going over the Greek alphabet a few days ago, and I noticed something. Doesn't it seem quite strange how the final form of the Greek sigma, ς, looks unusually like our c- cedilla, ç. They are both pronounced almost the same. Plus the Greek script has had quite some influences on our Latin script. I hypothesize that ς could've been brought to the attention of the Romans via Syracuse, you know, Sicily was once a Greek land. Now, I know about that one Visigoth letter and all that, so please don't bother telling me about that. But, alas, if this can be disproved, it may be how we have commas or even ogoneks instead of cedillas in diacritics, especially with the Slavic/ Baltic groups of languages and Romanian. And maybe Turkish too ... well, no because they just "copied off" of "Western" ideas, in the case of the scripts, replaced the Arabic scripts with the Latin, which I think was a very wise move. Otherwise, who would've been able to read Ottoman Turkish? It used, sorry if I'm exaggerating, many Arabic characters of which almost half of the characters are obsolete in the standard Arabic script today. Il Studioso 06:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting a reference for that statement as several documents use a detached cedilla, the Marshallese language commission recommended a (non specific) diacritic below. The Marshallese Language Orthography (Standard Spelling) Act of 2010 applies the rules of the MED (1979), but it is not clear what was meant by cedilla, if there is only one correct shape for the cedilla or if the cedilla can have different shapes as it the case in many languages where it can be both detached or attached depending on the font style. -- Moyogo/ (talk) 12:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I hadn't been keeping up with this discussion. No, I'm not aware of any situation of Marshallese rejecting alternative diacritic shapes. All I know is what is prescribed, and what actually appears in the MED, official postal stamps and in the BoM, and all printed texts in general that I've seen that use this orthography. Note that the MED orthography with cedillas, though now officially adopted, is one of two orthographies in common use — the former official orthography is still commonly used, but gradually being replaced by the new orthography as younger people learn and adopt it. The differences between the two orthographies are detailed at the article on the Marshallese language. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 21:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I'd be interested in an explanation of why ç is used instead of s in French, as to my ears the sounds are often quite similar. Is it for Latin words that no longer sound like they used to due to sound changes?
I've also added a bit more about modernist cedilla designs, which I know have been used in French and other languages quite a bit and I think are worth mentioning. But I'm not a very good French-speaker (my interest in them came through knowledge of font design and internationalisation) and I think it might be nice if someone who is took a look at what I've added. Blythwood ( talk) 09:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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