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Authorship of the song Mick Magilligan's Daughter: The Irish Traditional Music Archive [1] lists in its on-line catalogue a book published in 1909 that contains this song. This is a year before Cecil Sheridan was born. The song is anonymous. Roryjohnston ( talk) 04:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Wehman Bros.' Pocket-Size Irish Song Book No 3, containing a choice collection of 171 Songs, 1909 Roryjohnston ( talk) 22:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
A search on ITMA for "Wehman" brings up 13 items. The fourth is the book in question. http://www.itmacatalogues.ie/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll?AC=GET_RECORD&XC=/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll&BU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.itmacatalogues.ie%2F&TN=ITMAieCsrecs&SN=AUTO30231&SE=1226&RN=3&MR=20&TR=0&TX=1000&ES=0&CS=1&XP=&RF=ITMAieSRECSReport&EF=&DF=ITMA.ie+SRECS&RL=0&EL=0&DL=0&NP=3&ID=&MF=CSSPAMSG.INI&MQ=ITMAieQuickSearch&TI=1&DT=&ST=0&IR=70559&NR=0&NB=0&SV=0&SS=0&BG=&FG=&QS=QuickSearch&OEX=ISO-8859-1&OEH=ISO-8859-1 It gives McGulligan instead of Magilligan; other variations are common. Roryjohnston ( talk) 04:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The actual full title listed in ITMA's on-line catalogue is "McGulligan's Daughter, Mary Ann". Searches on the Internet reveal many entries for the well-known Irish song "Mick Magilligan's Daughter, Mary Ann" with variations of the spelling of the names. James Joyce says "Mac Milligan". These are obviously the same song. The Irish Press and Independent had the same defective source. It would be a pity for Wikipedia to continue to propagate this error. Roryjohnston ( talk) 20:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
First off, this is obviously an area where there is a dearth of reliable sources, so we have to make do with what we can find. Bear in mind that newspaper articles – especially obituaries – are not "reliable sources" in the same sense as peer-reviewed journals. If the facts are plausible, they are unlikely to be too rigorously checked. So, here is the evidence trail:
The evidence is compelling, therefore, that the song is the same as the one in the Pocket-Size Irish Song Book of 1909, and that Sheridan performed the version written by Louis A. Tierney. Sheridan did, however, compose "Hannigan's Hooley": the sheet-music is available in the National Library. -- Scolaire ( talk) 12:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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Authorship of the song Mick Magilligan's Daughter: The Irish Traditional Music Archive [1] lists in its on-line catalogue a book published in 1909 that contains this song. This is a year before Cecil Sheridan was born. The song is anonymous. Roryjohnston ( talk) 04:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Wehman Bros.' Pocket-Size Irish Song Book No 3, containing a choice collection of 171 Songs, 1909 Roryjohnston ( talk) 22:43, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
A search on ITMA for "Wehman" brings up 13 items. The fourth is the book in question. http://www.itmacatalogues.ie/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll?AC=GET_RECORD&XC=/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll&BU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.itmacatalogues.ie%2F&TN=ITMAieCsrecs&SN=AUTO30231&SE=1226&RN=3&MR=20&TR=0&TX=1000&ES=0&CS=1&XP=&RF=ITMAieSRECSReport&EF=&DF=ITMA.ie+SRECS&RL=0&EL=0&DL=0&NP=3&ID=&MF=CSSPAMSG.INI&MQ=ITMAieQuickSearch&TI=1&DT=&ST=0&IR=70559&NR=0&NB=0&SV=0&SS=0&BG=&FG=&QS=QuickSearch&OEX=ISO-8859-1&OEH=ISO-8859-1 It gives McGulligan instead of Magilligan; other variations are common. Roryjohnston ( talk) 04:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The actual full title listed in ITMA's on-line catalogue is "McGulligan's Daughter, Mary Ann". Searches on the Internet reveal many entries for the well-known Irish song "Mick Magilligan's Daughter, Mary Ann" with variations of the spelling of the names. James Joyce says "Mac Milligan". These are obviously the same song. The Irish Press and Independent had the same defective source. It would be a pity for Wikipedia to continue to propagate this error. Roryjohnston ( talk) 20:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
First off, this is obviously an area where there is a dearth of reliable sources, so we have to make do with what we can find. Bear in mind that newspaper articles – especially obituaries – are not "reliable sources" in the same sense as peer-reviewed journals. If the facts are plausible, they are unlikely to be too rigorously checked. So, here is the evidence trail:
The evidence is compelling, therefore, that the song is the same as the one in the Pocket-Size Irish Song Book of 1909, and that Sheridan performed the version written by Louis A. Tierney. Sheridan did, however, compose "Hannigan's Hooley": the sheet-music is available in the National Library. -- Scolaire ( talk) 12:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)