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I created this page to put down some of what I know and have discovered about Catherine Meyer. As anyone who has read one of her books will know, Lady Meyer has been an important figure in changing political attitudes towards child abduction. This page really only touches the surface so it would be great if anyone had additional information or references they wish to add. I will try and add content to it going forward as well. This is my first page and I have tried to format it correctly but let me know if there need to be changes. Thanks. JoshuaISDavidson ( talk) 16:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The reference to the Daily Telegraph and the Independent on Sunday are valid. They are two of the countries biggest newspapers and their coverage of a scandal involving Catherine Meyer, whether liked or not by her and her PR team, is newsworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.158.186 ( talk) 13:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The references to the Daily Telegraph and Independent on Sunday (the latter with one of the smallest circulations for any British national newspaper) lack context and objectivity. There has been no "scandal", since PACT's accounts have been endorsed by the charities regulator, the Charity Commission. The references are not to news stories, but to gossip or diary columns. Most important of all, the source of the stories is a disgruntled former volunteer whom PACT dismissed for drunken and abusive behaviour at a fund-raising event before scores of witnesses.If necessary, he can be named. It is in other words a revenge smear, which has been pursued also on Twitter and Facebook. If there has to be a reference to the press stories, this must be qualified by: "On investigation, it was discovered that the source of these stories was a disgruntled former volunteer dismissed by PACT for drunken and abusive behaviour at a fund-raising event in front of multiple witnesses." ( Holbornesque ( talk) 13:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)).
CORRECTION FROM MATTHEW STEEPLES: The accounts of these charities are indisputable fact. Some 50% of income of this charity and considerably more in expenses were paid to Lady Meyer and her assistant. The Telegraph, who published three pieces in their "Mandrake" column on the subject, and the Independent on Sunday chose to publish this story based on the following documents that are in fact PACT's very own accounts. These accounts clearly illustrate the fact that an unusually large proportion of this charity's income was paid by a board (that happens to include Lady Meyer's husband and several of her friends) to Lady Meyer and her assistant. Here are two of the most recent sets of published accounts of the charity PACT:
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends04/0001081904_ac_20101231_e_c.pdf
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends04/0001081904_AC_20091231_E_C.PDF
Janet Street-Porter, a well known and respected columnist, also covers the matter at: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/janet-street-porter/editoratlarge-the-giving-sector-is-a-mess-ndash-and-thats-being-charitable-2290324.html. Street_Porter rightly points out "The problems faced by parents who have children abducted are considerable, but does a charity this small really need two highly paid executives?" This criticism was backed up further by a number of letters from individuals from all over the UK. References to four of them follow:
1. Daily Telegraph letters (Letters from Jack Stonehouse, Matthew Steeples and James Squire), 16th May - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8515040/Business-leaders-believe-high-speed-rail-will-help-northern-cities-to-grow.html 2. Daily Telegraph letters, 19th May 2011 (Letter from Linda Hughes) – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8521827/Britain-gained-more-than-its-moneys-worth-from-the-Royal-Yacht-Britannia.html 3. Independent on Sunday, 22nd May 2011 (Letter from Michael Ezra) – http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/letters/iiosi-letters-emails-amp-online-postings-22-may-2011-2287416.html 4. Daily Telegraph letters, 28th May 2011 (Letter from Michael Ezra) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8542580/Surgeons-want-a-fair-hearing-for-proposed-NHS-reforms-involving-GPs.html
The source of the disputed story is not the person who those above level false allegations against. The person those above attempt to smear is Matthew Steeples. Matthew Steeples can confirm that this story was exposed by none other than a Daily Telegraph journalist who had no contact with him in relation to this subject prior to the afternoon of 11th May 2011, the very same day that the first story "Ambassador's wife faces questions over Bush and Blair's charity" was first published in the Daily Telegraph.
Matthew Steeples is, in fact, the one subject to a smear campaign by Lady Meyer's husband ( http://www.twitter.com/sirsocks) himself and friends of Lady Meyer including one Mowbray Jackson ( http://www.twitter.com/mowbrayjackson) on Twitter and elsewhere.
Matthew Steeples was not "dismissed" by this charity. He quit by his own choice in disgust at the way this charity allocated its resources.
Matthew Steeples did not have knowledge of the first story written by the Telegraph, but in fact first became aware on 11th May 2011 when he was interviewed in the following article, published on 12th May 2011: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8507740/Cilla-Black-is-carrying-Paul-OGradys-baby.html
The links relating to the expose on how Lady Meyer's charity allocates its resources are backed up by ample evidence and should not be removed by Wikipedia as they come from a variety of impartial sources. These individuals happen to be respected columnists and whatever Lady Meyer thinks of them, she cannot change that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.158.186 ( talk) 11:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, guys, whether we are getting it right on all the requests for citations. Some don't look necessary. The text itself explains what Meyer did in the US, campaigning with American parents. Ditto her cooperation in the UK with the police, Home Office and other NGOs - she's a member of the Home Office Strategic Oversight Group. She gave good citations for winning her complaint against the Lord Chancellor's Department and being a 2010 ICAP selected charity. A lot of the PACT detail is on its own page. Do we really need citations for her parents, education and early career in financial institutions that have since disappeared? But I agree there are others like membership of the LIFFE board that need collateral. Lutetia99 ( talk) 09:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. All have been noted, though not sure how we can add citations regarding her schooling, university or early career as the Internet didn't exist in those days and therefore no citations available. Also, what would one need as citation for her parents? On the rest, I added links to some articles but I see that this is not what is required. Lastly her being on the board of directors of LIFFE is also difficult to cite as LIFFE was taken over by EURONEXT and only citations are other articles about her past career. Would a link to those be acceptable? Giraferusse ( talk) 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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I created this page to put down some of what I know and have discovered about Catherine Meyer. As anyone who has read one of her books will know, Lady Meyer has been an important figure in changing political attitudes towards child abduction. This page really only touches the surface so it would be great if anyone had additional information or references they wish to add. I will try and add content to it going forward as well. This is my first page and I have tried to format it correctly but let me know if there need to be changes. Thanks. JoshuaISDavidson ( talk) 16:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The reference to the Daily Telegraph and the Independent on Sunday are valid. They are two of the countries biggest newspapers and their coverage of a scandal involving Catherine Meyer, whether liked or not by her and her PR team, is newsworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.158.186 ( talk) 13:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
The references to the Daily Telegraph and Independent on Sunday (the latter with one of the smallest circulations for any British national newspaper) lack context and objectivity. There has been no "scandal", since PACT's accounts have been endorsed by the charities regulator, the Charity Commission. The references are not to news stories, but to gossip or diary columns. Most important of all, the source of the stories is a disgruntled former volunteer whom PACT dismissed for drunken and abusive behaviour at a fund-raising event before scores of witnesses.If necessary, he can be named. It is in other words a revenge smear, which has been pursued also on Twitter and Facebook. If there has to be a reference to the press stories, this must be qualified by: "On investigation, it was discovered that the source of these stories was a disgruntled former volunteer dismissed by PACT for drunken and abusive behaviour at a fund-raising event in front of multiple witnesses." ( Holbornesque ( talk) 13:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)).
CORRECTION FROM MATTHEW STEEPLES: The accounts of these charities are indisputable fact. Some 50% of income of this charity and considerably more in expenses were paid to Lady Meyer and her assistant. The Telegraph, who published three pieces in their "Mandrake" column on the subject, and the Independent on Sunday chose to publish this story based on the following documents that are in fact PACT's very own accounts. These accounts clearly illustrate the fact that an unusually large proportion of this charity's income was paid by a board (that happens to include Lady Meyer's husband and several of her friends) to Lady Meyer and her assistant. Here are two of the most recent sets of published accounts of the charity PACT:
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends04/0001081904_ac_20101231_e_c.pdf
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends04/0001081904_AC_20091231_E_C.PDF
Janet Street-Porter, a well known and respected columnist, also covers the matter at: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/janet-street-porter/editoratlarge-the-giving-sector-is-a-mess-ndash-and-thats-being-charitable-2290324.html. Street_Porter rightly points out "The problems faced by parents who have children abducted are considerable, but does a charity this small really need two highly paid executives?" This criticism was backed up further by a number of letters from individuals from all over the UK. References to four of them follow:
1. Daily Telegraph letters (Letters from Jack Stonehouse, Matthew Steeples and James Squire), 16th May - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8515040/Business-leaders-believe-high-speed-rail-will-help-northern-cities-to-grow.html 2. Daily Telegraph letters, 19th May 2011 (Letter from Linda Hughes) – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8521827/Britain-gained-more-than-its-moneys-worth-from-the-Royal-Yacht-Britannia.html 3. Independent on Sunday, 22nd May 2011 (Letter from Michael Ezra) – http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/letters/iiosi-letters-emails-amp-online-postings-22-may-2011-2287416.html 4. Daily Telegraph letters, 28th May 2011 (Letter from Michael Ezra) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8542580/Surgeons-want-a-fair-hearing-for-proposed-NHS-reforms-involving-GPs.html
The source of the disputed story is not the person who those above level false allegations against. The person those above attempt to smear is Matthew Steeples. Matthew Steeples can confirm that this story was exposed by none other than a Daily Telegraph journalist who had no contact with him in relation to this subject prior to the afternoon of 11th May 2011, the very same day that the first story "Ambassador's wife faces questions over Bush and Blair's charity" was first published in the Daily Telegraph.
Matthew Steeples is, in fact, the one subject to a smear campaign by Lady Meyer's husband ( http://www.twitter.com/sirsocks) himself and friends of Lady Meyer including one Mowbray Jackson ( http://www.twitter.com/mowbrayjackson) on Twitter and elsewhere.
Matthew Steeples was not "dismissed" by this charity. He quit by his own choice in disgust at the way this charity allocated its resources.
Matthew Steeples did not have knowledge of the first story written by the Telegraph, but in fact first became aware on 11th May 2011 when he was interviewed in the following article, published on 12th May 2011: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8507740/Cilla-Black-is-carrying-Paul-OGradys-baby.html
The links relating to the expose on how Lady Meyer's charity allocates its resources are backed up by ample evidence and should not be removed by Wikipedia as they come from a variety of impartial sources. These individuals happen to be respected columnists and whatever Lady Meyer thinks of them, she cannot change that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.158.186 ( talk) 11:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, guys, whether we are getting it right on all the requests for citations. Some don't look necessary. The text itself explains what Meyer did in the US, campaigning with American parents. Ditto her cooperation in the UK with the police, Home Office and other NGOs - she's a member of the Home Office Strategic Oversight Group. She gave good citations for winning her complaint against the Lord Chancellor's Department and being a 2010 ICAP selected charity. A lot of the PACT detail is on its own page. Do we really need citations for her parents, education and early career in financial institutions that have since disappeared? But I agree there are others like membership of the LIFFE board that need collateral. Lutetia99 ( talk) 09:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. All have been noted, though not sure how we can add citations regarding her schooling, university or early career as the Internet didn't exist in those days and therefore no citations available. Also, what would one need as citation for her parents? On the rest, I added links to some articles but I see that this is not what is required. Lastly her being on the board of directors of LIFFE is also difficult to cite as LIFFE was taken over by EURONEXT and only citations are other articles about her past career. Would a link to those be acceptable? Giraferusse ( talk) 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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