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I think there should be more mention of the anti-pornography ordinance, although it should probably be as a separate article that is linked in somehow. What's the style for such things? Should the text of the ordinance be included in an article about it? Or should it just be a discussion of the various aspects of the ordinance with an external link to the actual text?
I think it's important to mention the anti-pornography ordinance because it's one of the events most referred to when discussing MacKinnon in feminist publications (or at least the ones that i've read. sorry, i can't think of the specific examples at the moment). In one of the articles currently listed in the "external links" section, it refers to MacKinnon as a proponent of censorship, but I believe that MacKinnon argued the ordinance not from a censorship standpoint or from an anti-sex standpoint, but rather from a civil rights standpoint saying that pornography causes measurable harm to women and that when it does, women should be able to sue. Doviende 22:09, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... Based on what I've read in her book Only Words, my take has always been that MacKinnon argues pornography isn't and hasn't ever been actual speech, and thus can't be protected (or, for that matter, censored). The Literate Engineer 03:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
One of the external links ( The Outsider: Catharine MacKinnon ) -> ( http://www.tnstate.edu/cmcginnis/theoutsider.htm ) is password-protected and inaccessible to most. This should probably be changed or deleted.
Bloom Radio 18:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Could somebody provide a citation for this:
Instead, Dworkin and MacKinnon defined pornography as: "the graphic sexually explicit subordination of women through pictures or words" that also includes a specific list of concrete presentations ranging from objectification to extreme violence. Instead of condemning pornography for violating "community standards" of sexual decency or modesty, they characterized pornography as a form of sex discrimination, and sought to give women the right to seek damages under civil rights law.
-- I put in the text of the ordinance and also provided a citation.
It can be found in her proposed Los Angeles County Anti-pornography Civil Rights Law work. part 3. definitions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.202.236.2 ( talk) 01:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
The following statement needs support, "In February 1992, the Supreme Court of Canada largely accepted MacKinnon's theories of equality, hate propaganda, and pornography, citing extensively from a brief she co-authored in a ruling against Manitoba pornography distributor Donald Butler."
According to Dworkin/MacKinnon joint press release, http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/OrdinanceCanada.html, Butler did not implement their theories of Pornography and Civil Rights. Further, although the presser claims that MacKinnon did work with LEAF, she is not listed as a co-author of their brief and a quick review of the Butler Opinion does not seem to support the idea that it extensively quoted the LEAF brief. 208.74.146.1 ( talk) 17:21, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
You know, Dr. MacKinnon's list of publications is listed at her faculty web page. Should we restrict the list to just her books? I do not feel strongly about this one way or the other, but most profs. do not get the full list of pubs at Wikipedia. If Dr. MacKinnon is a special case because she is so widely cited, then I concede the point, but just from a matter of style, I think that her list of books describes who she is pretty well and the long list of publications provides the reader with a limited amount of new information. Maybe just a paragraph summarizing the list would be more effective. -- 75.24.213.40 00:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The entry is extremely biased. Are her critics even mentioned? What about the fact that they call her a "Feminazi," which is a testament to extreme views? Even many of her fellow leftists detest her legal philosophy, for example, civil libertarian Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice.
59.167.111.154 ( talk) 07:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
This whole article reads like it was written by McKinnon herself. It needs a massive clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.36.167.212 ( talk) 14:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The article is very sympathetic to Mackinnon, who has taken some radical and controversial stances, and been the subject of more than her share of criticism. Perhaps you will
be bold and make some referenced changes to it?--
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MacKinnon wants pornography "censored"? Huh? With friends like the nudist Nikki Craft, maybe our problem is communicaiton. Are we, perhaps, not defining pornography very well? The old "I know it when I see it" does not cut much ice with an trained and disciplined mind like MacKinnon. -- PinkCake 19:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
It would also be helpful to spend more time on her most successful (within law) contribution to legal theory - the sexual harassment doctrine, and the framing of sexual harassment as discrimination under Title VII and Equal Protection law.
Her analysis of pornography deserves balanced treatment - it's also what she is publicly linked with most often. But some of that is pure sensationalism - her view is easy to caricature.
Anyway, it shouldn't overshadow the sexual harassment doctrine - which probably should not be subsumed into "other work." You could argue that creating the situation where people are able to sue for sexual harassment (which was not possible until recently) is _as great_ a contribution to Americans experience of law, and to legal theory, as her critique of pornography. Djripley 19:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
In the last couple of months, this article has been greatly expanded by anonymous editor 68.50.186.198. While his or her contribution has been valuable, it is flawed by flagrant bias in favor of the views of the subject of the article, Catherine MacKinnon, therefore putting the article in violation of WP:NPOV.
Just for starters – a whole section of "accolades" by admirers by Cass Sunstein, but absolutely no mention of criticism of MacKinnon, much less a section? Give me a break! MacKinnon is one of the single most controversial legal thinkers of our day – an article which shortchanges this criticism is one that's flagrantly biased in her favor. MacKinnon's approach to law and feminism has been heavily criticized from several quarters for many years now, from several quarters – civil libertarians, of course, as well as sex-positive feminists and postmodernist thinkers. Notable authors who have written works critical of MacKinnon include Nat Hentoff, Nadine Strossen, Ronald Dworkin, Wendy Kaminer, Susie Bright, Donna Haraway, John Maxwell Coetzee, Drucilla Cornell, Angela Harris, and Janet Halley, among others. A rather large body of work to completely ignore, no?
I insist that the NPOV tag be kept on this article until this imbalance is redressed. Peter G Werner 10:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I've added a few facts implicitly critical of Mckinnon's outlook. Does anyone know the current state of Canada's Mckinnon-influenced pornography laws? Just in that ten-year old Wired article there's horrendous details, like the raiding an art gallery and near-exclusive targeting of gay pornography. (Urb 29 January 2007)
Looking further at the contributions of 68.50.186.198, the article as it stands is far too long and un-concise, and far too reliant on direct quotation. Somebody looking for a concise introduction to MacKinnon's work and ideas simply will not find it here. Considerable cleanup is needed to reduce the amount of direct quotation in the article. Perhaps much of this article needs to go into a breakout article or articles of some kind. Peter G Werner 18:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
In this article the discussion of anything personal about her stops after the discussion of her childhood. The rest of the article discusses only her writings and court cases. Is she married? Is she homosexual? Does she have a life partner? Does she have hobbies or other personal life aside from her professional life? This is supposed to be a biography, not solely a legal and political analysis of her work.
==Why is an engagement relevant to anything? I fail to understand why an engagement is relevant to a law professor's career. Or why anyone feels the need to know her hobbies or "life partner." It verges on People magazine. 174.125.126.201 ( talk) 06:36, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
It might give you some idea as to where some of her controversial ideas come from. 165.247.1.148 08:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
In re: the beginning of the biography--is there any legitimate working definition of "upper middle class," as opposed to "upper class" or "rich" that includes congressmen and federal judges? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.101.42.239 ( talk) 23:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it sufficient to state that her father was (presumably) a lawyer, a congressmen and a federal judge? It's an excellent question: what is upper middle class? rich? Is it related to family income? Family wealth? Who knows the numbers? 174.125.126.201 ( talk) 06:36, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
And "A research-based legal and political analysis" can be biased or not depending upon the parameters of the research. If MacKinnon disregarded input from porn performers who have positive feelings about their work, that would be a sampling bias. Pascalulu88 ( talk) 16:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Slavoj Zizek points out in Welcome to the Desert of the Real in regards to contemporary feminist theory of MacKinnon's brand that: "is ultimately a profoundly reactionary ideological movement, always ready to legitimize US army interventions with feminist concerns, always there to make dismissive patronizing remarks about Third World populations (from its hypocritical obsession with clitoridectomy to MacKinnon's racist remarks about how ethnic cleansing and rape are in Serb Genes..." Apologies for the lengthy quote but I would be interested in perhaps a source for MacKinnon's comments on Serbs and also does Zizek qualify as a legitimate critic? -UMDStudent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.88.146.127 ( talk) 00:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
In her 1989 Yale commencement address, Catherine MacKinnon reportedly made the following statement:
according to Christopher M. Finan, the author of Catharine A. MacKinnon: The Rise of a Feminist Censor, 1983-1993.
http://www.mit.edu/activities/safe/writings/mackinnon/mac-rise-censor
I suggest that this statement by Ms. MacKinnon is notable. Michael H 34 ( talk) 23:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC) Michael H 34
The MacKinnon quote can be found here:- Catharine A. MacKinnon, "Graduation Address, Yale Law School." Yale Journal of Law and Feminism. 299 (1990): 2
Zimbazumba ( talk) 03:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Here is the actual quote and source:-
Source:- https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/yjlf/vol2/iss2/5/ (contains link to actual document) CSDarrow ( talk) 17:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Materials documenting Mackinnon's support for Canadian serial/thrill-killer Karla Homulka have been removed. Researchers will have to go to an authentic encyclopedia for the full story —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proofchecker1 ( talk • contribs)
Copied from the article to the talk page - Alison ❤ 19:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
A large chunk of content was deleted for lack of sourcing. It does, however, have one source in it. I don't have that source handy, so I don't know if it supports the rest; perhaps it does, since what was deleted was roughly on one subject. If it does, the source should be cited in probably all of the paragraphs, but that needs checking. I also haven't judged the quality of the source. Skimming suggests many attributions need to be added into sentences, as some content seems opinionated enough to require attribution. Does anyone know about this content and source? Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 15:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Would someone please provide a citation for this passage, "MacKinnon's book Sexual Harassment of Working Women: A Case of Sex Discrimination is the eighth most-cited American legal book published since 1978, according to a study published by Fred Shapiro in January 2000." Nearly50 ( talk) 04:49, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Nearly50
http://www.apa.org/divisions/div46/articles/malamuth.pdf
This study found that exposure to pornography did not have enduring effects on aggression towards women, the opposite of the claim it was being used to support.
"With respect to exposure effects, the results did not reveal that repeated exposure to violent or nonviolent pornography had any significant effect on laboratory aggression against women. These findings appear to be inconsistent with previous data showing that exposure to violent pornography may increase males' laboratory aggression toward women (e.g., Donnerstein, 1980a,b; 1984; Donnerstein and Berkowitz, 1981; Malamuth, 1978). The most apparent explanation for this discrepancy is that earlier investigations examined immediate effects (i.e., in same session that exposures were presented) whereas the present experiment tested for relatively long-term effects. It may be that exposure to violent pornography might have an immediate impact on aggressive behavior against women but this effect may dissipate quickly over time."
So, I removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.45.145 ( talk) 00:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
The second half of the "criticisms" section, beginning "Anti-pornography ordinances authored by MacKinnon and Dworkin in the United States sought for harm against victims", should be removed, ideally perhaps placed somewhere else in the article. It is not about criticism of MacKinnon. ImprovingWiki ( talk) 21:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Rms125a@hotmail.com, in this edit, you again removed all mention of MacKinnon's relationship with Jeffrey Masson with the comment that the material is "irrelevant". Perhaps you are confused about what "irrelevant" means in the context of a biographical article? The material would indeed be irrelevant if it were not about the article subject, but in fact it is clearly about her life, and thus is relevant to her biography. You have offered no good reason for removing it. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 19:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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As Catharine A. MacKinnon is named professionally with the middle initial, such as in Encyclopedia Brittanica: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Catharine-A-MacKinnon on all of her books: https://www.amazon.com/Catharine-A-MacKinnon/e/B000APLJF0?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1585241815&sr=8-1 as a professor: https://hls.harvard.edu/faculty/directory/10540/MacKinnon and in the press: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/books/review/metoo-workplace-sexual-harassment-catharine-mackinnon.html
I believe this page ought to be titled the same way.-- PaulThePony ( talk) 17:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
With apologies, John B123. I got this guidance at the Teahouse, "Hello, PaulThePony. The talk page was the right place to propose this, but evidently there's not much traffic there: the last non-administrative edit to it was in 2016. In this case, you suggestion is clearly a good one (see TITLE), and I suggest you simply move the article. --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)" /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Teahouse#Name_of_page%3A_when_is_a_change_appropriate%3F
I welcome further discussion with you, being educated about protocols, etc. This was the first time I moved a page; as you note, seven days certainly seems reasonable as a minimum. -- PaulThePony ( talk) 23:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi John B123. I really appreciate you offering those rationales. All that makes very good sense to me. As you note, if the page has been relatively inactive, one might get away with it without leaving others thinking protocols were stampeded. This is partly to say, I do understand his reasoning. Whether or not there's been much activity, however, it seems more than reasonable to me to use the seven day waiting period as a rule of thumb. No harm in that. Goodness knows, it read "Catharine MacKinnon" for years. This tag is new and will be useful to me should I ever think a page ought to be moved again: Template:Requested move. Now that I've had this experience, I understand more fully the value of putting something out for discussion in one location and waiting several days for responses. Regarding this: "to whatever WikiProjects the talk page is tagged with," would one add tags for that purpose or are pertinent ones already part of the page? I have experienced most everyone in the last year or two as very cordial and helpful and it's a nice thing to see and now be part of. :) -- PaulThePony ( talk) 03:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you once again, John B123. -- PaulThePony ( talk) 15:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
An anonymous editor recently substituted "radical feminist" for "feminist" in the lede sentence's description of MacKinnon's work. Another editor reverted the edit. I am interested in initiating a discussion among interested, fairminded, and experienced editors of whether "radical feminist" (particularly, as that concept is explicated in the article on radical feminism) is indeed the better description. Or, on the other hand, is it an inappropriate descriptor here for some reason? The phrase is used in the infobox, and later in the article itself. PDGPA ( talk) 00:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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I think there should be more mention of the anti-pornography ordinance, although it should probably be as a separate article that is linked in somehow. What's the style for such things? Should the text of the ordinance be included in an article about it? Or should it just be a discussion of the various aspects of the ordinance with an external link to the actual text?
I think it's important to mention the anti-pornography ordinance because it's one of the events most referred to when discussing MacKinnon in feminist publications (or at least the ones that i've read. sorry, i can't think of the specific examples at the moment). In one of the articles currently listed in the "external links" section, it refers to MacKinnon as a proponent of censorship, but I believe that MacKinnon argued the ordinance not from a censorship standpoint or from an anti-sex standpoint, but rather from a civil rights standpoint saying that pornography causes measurable harm to women and that when it does, women should be able to sue. Doviende 22:09, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... Based on what I've read in her book Only Words, my take has always been that MacKinnon argues pornography isn't and hasn't ever been actual speech, and thus can't be protected (or, for that matter, censored). The Literate Engineer 03:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
One of the external links ( The Outsider: Catharine MacKinnon ) -> ( http://www.tnstate.edu/cmcginnis/theoutsider.htm ) is password-protected and inaccessible to most. This should probably be changed or deleted.
Bloom Radio 18:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Could somebody provide a citation for this:
Instead, Dworkin and MacKinnon defined pornography as: "the graphic sexually explicit subordination of women through pictures or words" that also includes a specific list of concrete presentations ranging from objectification to extreme violence. Instead of condemning pornography for violating "community standards" of sexual decency or modesty, they characterized pornography as a form of sex discrimination, and sought to give women the right to seek damages under civil rights law.
-- I put in the text of the ordinance and also provided a citation.
It can be found in her proposed Los Angeles County Anti-pornography Civil Rights Law work. part 3. definitions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.202.236.2 ( talk) 01:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
The following statement needs support, "In February 1992, the Supreme Court of Canada largely accepted MacKinnon's theories of equality, hate propaganda, and pornography, citing extensively from a brief she co-authored in a ruling against Manitoba pornography distributor Donald Butler."
According to Dworkin/MacKinnon joint press release, http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/OrdinanceCanada.html, Butler did not implement their theories of Pornography and Civil Rights. Further, although the presser claims that MacKinnon did work with LEAF, she is not listed as a co-author of their brief and a quick review of the Butler Opinion does not seem to support the idea that it extensively quoted the LEAF brief. 208.74.146.1 ( talk) 17:21, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
You know, Dr. MacKinnon's list of publications is listed at her faculty web page. Should we restrict the list to just her books? I do not feel strongly about this one way or the other, but most profs. do not get the full list of pubs at Wikipedia. If Dr. MacKinnon is a special case because she is so widely cited, then I concede the point, but just from a matter of style, I think that her list of books describes who she is pretty well and the long list of publications provides the reader with a limited amount of new information. Maybe just a paragraph summarizing the list would be more effective. -- 75.24.213.40 00:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The entry is extremely biased. Are her critics even mentioned? What about the fact that they call her a "Feminazi," which is a testament to extreme views? Even many of her fellow leftists detest her legal philosophy, for example, civil libertarian Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice.
59.167.111.154 ( talk) 07:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
This whole article reads like it was written by McKinnon herself. It needs a massive clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.36.167.212 ( talk) 14:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The article is very sympathetic to Mackinnon, who has taken some radical and controversial stances, and been the subject of more than her share of criticism. Perhaps you will
be bold and make some referenced changes to it?--
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18:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
MacKinnon wants pornography "censored"? Huh? With friends like the nudist Nikki Craft, maybe our problem is communicaiton. Are we, perhaps, not defining pornography very well? The old "I know it when I see it" does not cut much ice with an trained and disciplined mind like MacKinnon. -- PinkCake 19:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
It would also be helpful to spend more time on her most successful (within law) contribution to legal theory - the sexual harassment doctrine, and the framing of sexual harassment as discrimination under Title VII and Equal Protection law.
Her analysis of pornography deserves balanced treatment - it's also what she is publicly linked with most often. But some of that is pure sensationalism - her view is easy to caricature.
Anyway, it shouldn't overshadow the sexual harassment doctrine - which probably should not be subsumed into "other work." You could argue that creating the situation where people are able to sue for sexual harassment (which was not possible until recently) is _as great_ a contribution to Americans experience of law, and to legal theory, as her critique of pornography. Djripley 19:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
In the last couple of months, this article has been greatly expanded by anonymous editor 68.50.186.198. While his or her contribution has been valuable, it is flawed by flagrant bias in favor of the views of the subject of the article, Catherine MacKinnon, therefore putting the article in violation of WP:NPOV.
Just for starters – a whole section of "accolades" by admirers by Cass Sunstein, but absolutely no mention of criticism of MacKinnon, much less a section? Give me a break! MacKinnon is one of the single most controversial legal thinkers of our day – an article which shortchanges this criticism is one that's flagrantly biased in her favor. MacKinnon's approach to law and feminism has been heavily criticized from several quarters for many years now, from several quarters – civil libertarians, of course, as well as sex-positive feminists and postmodernist thinkers. Notable authors who have written works critical of MacKinnon include Nat Hentoff, Nadine Strossen, Ronald Dworkin, Wendy Kaminer, Susie Bright, Donna Haraway, John Maxwell Coetzee, Drucilla Cornell, Angela Harris, and Janet Halley, among others. A rather large body of work to completely ignore, no?
I insist that the NPOV tag be kept on this article until this imbalance is redressed. Peter G Werner 10:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I've added a few facts implicitly critical of Mckinnon's outlook. Does anyone know the current state of Canada's Mckinnon-influenced pornography laws? Just in that ten-year old Wired article there's horrendous details, like the raiding an art gallery and near-exclusive targeting of gay pornography. (Urb 29 January 2007)
Looking further at the contributions of 68.50.186.198, the article as it stands is far too long and un-concise, and far too reliant on direct quotation. Somebody looking for a concise introduction to MacKinnon's work and ideas simply will not find it here. Considerable cleanup is needed to reduce the amount of direct quotation in the article. Perhaps much of this article needs to go into a breakout article or articles of some kind. Peter G Werner 18:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
In this article the discussion of anything personal about her stops after the discussion of her childhood. The rest of the article discusses only her writings and court cases. Is she married? Is she homosexual? Does she have a life partner? Does she have hobbies or other personal life aside from her professional life? This is supposed to be a biography, not solely a legal and political analysis of her work.
==Why is an engagement relevant to anything? I fail to understand why an engagement is relevant to a law professor's career. Or why anyone feels the need to know her hobbies or "life partner." It verges on People magazine. 174.125.126.201 ( talk) 06:36, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
It might give you some idea as to where some of her controversial ideas come from. 165.247.1.148 08:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
In re: the beginning of the biography--is there any legitimate working definition of "upper middle class," as opposed to "upper class" or "rich" that includes congressmen and federal judges? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.101.42.239 ( talk) 23:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it sufficient to state that her father was (presumably) a lawyer, a congressmen and a federal judge? It's an excellent question: what is upper middle class? rich? Is it related to family income? Family wealth? Who knows the numbers? 174.125.126.201 ( talk) 06:36, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
And "A research-based legal and political analysis" can be biased or not depending upon the parameters of the research. If MacKinnon disregarded input from porn performers who have positive feelings about their work, that would be a sampling bias. Pascalulu88 ( talk) 16:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Slavoj Zizek points out in Welcome to the Desert of the Real in regards to contemporary feminist theory of MacKinnon's brand that: "is ultimately a profoundly reactionary ideological movement, always ready to legitimize US army interventions with feminist concerns, always there to make dismissive patronizing remarks about Third World populations (from its hypocritical obsession with clitoridectomy to MacKinnon's racist remarks about how ethnic cleansing and rape are in Serb Genes..." Apologies for the lengthy quote but I would be interested in perhaps a source for MacKinnon's comments on Serbs and also does Zizek qualify as a legitimate critic? -UMDStudent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.88.146.127 ( talk) 00:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
In her 1989 Yale commencement address, Catherine MacKinnon reportedly made the following statement:
according to Christopher M. Finan, the author of Catharine A. MacKinnon: The Rise of a Feminist Censor, 1983-1993.
http://www.mit.edu/activities/safe/writings/mackinnon/mac-rise-censor
I suggest that this statement by Ms. MacKinnon is notable. Michael H 34 ( talk) 23:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC) Michael H 34
The MacKinnon quote can be found here:- Catharine A. MacKinnon, "Graduation Address, Yale Law School." Yale Journal of Law and Feminism. 299 (1990): 2
Zimbazumba ( talk) 03:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Here is the actual quote and source:-
Source:- https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/yjlf/vol2/iss2/5/ (contains link to actual document) CSDarrow ( talk) 17:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Materials documenting Mackinnon's support for Canadian serial/thrill-killer Karla Homulka have been removed. Researchers will have to go to an authentic encyclopedia for the full story —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proofchecker1 ( talk • contribs)
Copied from the article to the talk page - Alison ❤ 19:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
A large chunk of content was deleted for lack of sourcing. It does, however, have one source in it. I don't have that source handy, so I don't know if it supports the rest; perhaps it does, since what was deleted was roughly on one subject. If it does, the source should be cited in probably all of the paragraphs, but that needs checking. I also haven't judged the quality of the source. Skimming suggests many attributions need to be added into sentences, as some content seems opinionated enough to require attribution. Does anyone know about this content and source? Thanks. Nick Levinson ( talk) 15:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Would someone please provide a citation for this passage, "MacKinnon's book Sexual Harassment of Working Women: A Case of Sex Discrimination is the eighth most-cited American legal book published since 1978, according to a study published by Fred Shapiro in January 2000." Nearly50 ( talk) 04:49, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Nearly50
http://www.apa.org/divisions/div46/articles/malamuth.pdf
This study found that exposure to pornography did not have enduring effects on aggression towards women, the opposite of the claim it was being used to support.
"With respect to exposure effects, the results did not reveal that repeated exposure to violent or nonviolent pornography had any significant effect on laboratory aggression against women. These findings appear to be inconsistent with previous data showing that exposure to violent pornography may increase males' laboratory aggression toward women (e.g., Donnerstein, 1980a,b; 1984; Donnerstein and Berkowitz, 1981; Malamuth, 1978). The most apparent explanation for this discrepancy is that earlier investigations examined immediate effects (i.e., in same session that exposures were presented) whereas the present experiment tested for relatively long-term effects. It may be that exposure to violent pornography might have an immediate impact on aggressive behavior against women but this effect may dissipate quickly over time."
So, I removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.45.145 ( talk) 00:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
The second half of the "criticisms" section, beginning "Anti-pornography ordinances authored by MacKinnon and Dworkin in the United States sought for harm against victims", should be removed, ideally perhaps placed somewhere else in the article. It is not about criticism of MacKinnon. ImprovingWiki ( talk) 21:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Rms125a@hotmail.com, in this edit, you again removed all mention of MacKinnon's relationship with Jeffrey Masson with the comment that the material is "irrelevant". Perhaps you are confused about what "irrelevant" means in the context of a biographical article? The material would indeed be irrelevant if it were not about the article subject, but in fact it is clearly about her life, and thus is relevant to her biography. You have offered no good reason for removing it. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 19:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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As Catharine A. MacKinnon is named professionally with the middle initial, such as in Encyclopedia Brittanica: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Catharine-A-MacKinnon on all of her books: https://www.amazon.com/Catharine-A-MacKinnon/e/B000APLJF0?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1585241815&sr=8-1 as a professor: https://hls.harvard.edu/faculty/directory/10540/MacKinnon and in the press: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/books/review/metoo-workplace-sexual-harassment-catharine-mackinnon.html
I believe this page ought to be titled the same way.-- PaulThePony ( talk) 17:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
With apologies, John B123. I got this guidance at the Teahouse, "Hello, PaulThePony. The talk page was the right place to propose this, but evidently there's not much traffic there: the last non-administrative edit to it was in 2016. In this case, you suggestion is clearly a good one (see TITLE), and I suggest you simply move the article. --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)" /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Teahouse#Name_of_page%3A_when_is_a_change_appropriate%3F
I welcome further discussion with you, being educated about protocols, etc. This was the first time I moved a page; as you note, seven days certainly seems reasonable as a minimum. -- PaulThePony ( talk) 23:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi John B123. I really appreciate you offering those rationales. All that makes very good sense to me. As you note, if the page has been relatively inactive, one might get away with it without leaving others thinking protocols were stampeded. This is partly to say, I do understand his reasoning. Whether or not there's been much activity, however, it seems more than reasonable to me to use the seven day waiting period as a rule of thumb. No harm in that. Goodness knows, it read "Catharine MacKinnon" for years. This tag is new and will be useful to me should I ever think a page ought to be moved again: Template:Requested move. Now that I've had this experience, I understand more fully the value of putting something out for discussion in one location and waiting several days for responses. Regarding this: "to whatever WikiProjects the talk page is tagged with," would one add tags for that purpose or are pertinent ones already part of the page? I have experienced most everyone in the last year or two as very cordial and helpful and it's a nice thing to see and now be part of. :) -- PaulThePony ( talk) 03:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you once again, John B123. -- PaulThePony ( talk) 15:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
An anonymous editor recently substituted "radical feminist" for "feminist" in the lede sentence's description of MacKinnon's work. Another editor reverted the edit. I am interested in initiating a discussion among interested, fairminded, and experienced editors of whether "radical feminist" (particularly, as that concept is explicated in the article on radical feminism) is indeed the better description. Or, on the other hand, is it an inappropriate descriptor here for some reason? The phrase is used in the infobox, and later in the article itself. PDGPA ( talk) 00:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)