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Satesclop, please can you take your anti-Basque and anti-Catalan agenda elsewhere. A regional football team does not have to represent an independent state. There are several cases in Europe alone where autonomous regions have national teams. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Faroe Islands are all recognised by UEFA and FIFA and use the term national team in their articles. Politcal status has nothing to do with it. Even so both the Basque Country and Catalonia have more autonomy then the above. Djln-- Djln 16:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
this is not the place to discuss whether Catalonia is a region (as some say) or a part of Spain, however some of the Catalonia
regional football team players are:
Sangibarbá and Di Stefano: Argentinians Kubala: Hungarian Neskens and Cruyyf: Dutch Evaristo: Brazilian Sapirissa: Salvadoran
And amongst the "Spaniards" we can find:
Cesar: born in Leon Luis Suarez: born in La Coruna Pereda: born in Burgos Alcántara: born in the Philipines Velasco: born in Murcia Two of the best Catalonian players of all time played alternatively for and against Catalonia (Samitier and Zamora)
If we consider this a national team then we can obviously consider "Zidane and friends" as Marseile National Team. And please don´t waste your time calling me "anti-catalan", please take your victimist agenda somewhereelse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.103.32.48 ( talk) 17:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
From the wikipedia page on catalonia. "The Preamble of the 2006 Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia states that the Parliament of Catalonia has defined Catalonia as a nation". The zidane and friends arguement is just wrong. Catalonia has it's own football assiociation as well and has autonomy (unlike Marseile). Also because they are not recognized by fifa/uefa elgibilty rules don't apply so they are allowed to have guest players like Cruyff and Di Stefano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.121.101 ( talk) 01:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Not a natinoal team. It's a regional team not recognised by UEFA / FIFA as national team despite some of catalan people claim for independence. It's not comparable to Wales, England or Northern Ireland, they are different cases, because they are constituent nations of a state (even more, FIFA stipulated particular laws only for these UK nations). Catalonia is an autonomus region of a state. The problem when translating the word "nation" from spanish to english, is that you use it as "state" meaning, which is not correct. Catalonia is not a state. When we say its a "nation" we refer it to "historial nation" which is recognised by the Spanish Constitution, but it doesn´t work as a state.
When 90.162.108.69 talks about "Zidane friends" (bad example) he points the fact that is has to be comparised in that case with teams like Athens team (which plays representing Greece before the national greek team was formed, or the London XI which represented UK in the very first Olympic Games). The aren't states as we recognised today.
Same apllies to Euskadi. Hope the conflict is understood now.
-- Brgesto ( talk) 14:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I know I saw a match between Catalonia and Andorra in 2003 or 04. Why isn't it included in this list? Moravice 09:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I've deleted the "there are many Spanish teams in Catalonia", since that has nothing to do with the Catalonian team. -- 85.48.105.52 05:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure how to edit the kit diagram, but here's a photo of the home strip:
http://www.futcat.org/images_noticias/0000000249/38.jpg
-- GoHawks4 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I can't get the image to come up, but I know what the uniform looks like. The one shown on the page is blue and needs to be changed to black.
-- GhostXIII —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.118.85.53 ( talk) 17:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
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Codorado ( talk · contribs) is putting some flags that (s)he doesen't accepts in other articles. I think it is crucial to write in this article (since it deals with Catalan national football team) to specify which people are Catalan but, if in FC Barcelona the information about the autonomous community is not accepted, I don't see why should we detail here if Iniesta comes from Castille la Mancha or to put the coat of arms (¿?¿?¿?) of Plovdiv.-- Xtv - ( my talk) - ( que dius que què?) 01:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Catalonia is a region of Spain, the only nation is Spain.-- 88.7.243.55 ( talk) 15:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Hahaha.. "my dearly friend" I invite you to read it someday... in your language:
From The Spanish Constitution that is the fundamental law of the Kingdom of Spain. "The 1978 Constitution recognizes and guarantees the right to autonomy of the nationalities and regions in Article 2, linking the beginning with the UNITY of the Spanish nation and solidarity between THE REGIONS that compose it.
I repeat: THE REGIONS that compose it
rock beats scissors = Spanish laws beats regional laws, of course.
An example, my little town can be named as "the largest stellar conjunction nation universal universe of the universe". But my little town is a town of Spain with spanish laws. Do you understand? Sorry for the stellar example hahaha.
The following statement in the first paragraph is bizarre:
"Catalonia has tried to join UEFA, citing Scotland and Wales as similar national sides with UEFA membership, but has always been rejected. "
Surely all four nations of the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) are examples of sub-sovereign state nations competing in football. The author of this sentence is perhaps under the mistaken impression that England and the UK are somehow the same thing, and that Scotland and Wales are part of England in the same way Catalonia is part of Spain?!?! In fact England and all the other UK nations are directly equivalent to the Catalonia national football team, with the exception that that they are officially reconignised (rightly or wrongly) by FIFA and UEFA.
I have therefore changed the sentence to the following:
"Catalonia has tried to join UEFA, citing the constituent nations of the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) as similar national sides with UEFA membership, but has always been rejected."
Where possible could someone correct the alternative language versions of this page if they carry the same mistake/oversight. Brunanburh ( talk) 01:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Catalonia is not a nation, so you can´t have a national team. It´s so easy. There is no legal text in which Catalonia appears as a nation, so this is a regional team. As you should know, Catalonia has never been known as Catalonia national team, but as Catalonia regional team. And please, don´t compare Catalonia or Basque country, which NEVER have been independent, whith other nations with a real national tradition as Scotland. Wikipedia should reflect the reality, and it is not that Catalonia is a national team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.159.215 ( talk) 13:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Any reasonable definition of "nation" perfectly defines Catalonia. You can of course ignore facts and just abide by the Spanish law (as if it were impartial in this matter). Let's go down this path for a second. The Spanish constitution (is that enough of a legal text for you?) calls Catalonia a "nationality", whatever this means. Hence, the Catalan team can be safely defined as a national team. Spanish nationalists feel this compulsion to deny the Catalan nation in every related article in wikipedia. 85.50.127.75 ( talk) 08:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I was just checking the article and then the internet and I can't find a list of next matches (or next match) Catalonia is going to play? Does anyone know the next opponent(s) and/or a website which could tell me this? Jaume BG 07:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The template at the bottom needs tidying up. Nobody, but nobody, believes that the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, etc... are nations. This is not to say Brittany, Catalonia, Basque Country etc. are not nations, but not these tiny little islands.
Does the team exclusively use Catalan in the locker room and on the pitch? Funnyhat ( talk) 06:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Just curious, why is Pique not listed on the roster. He is from Barcelona and played for Catalonia against argentina in december of 09. ( http://www.goal.com/en/match/43549/catalunya-vs-argentina/lineup-stats). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.121.101 ( talk) 01:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
In the English language there is a need to use the word "nation" in that title. For example, if we were talking about the national football side representing the constituent country of England, we would say England national football team, and not "England football team", as it's far too generic. Also, there is a nation called Catalonia within Spain as the top court in the nation ruled a year ago, ( Reference) so there is no need to argue about that. -- Marco Guzman, Jr Chat 23:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
People here defends that Catalonia's case is similar to Wales, Scotland and England's cases, but it is not true. Without politics, those football are recognized by FIFA, they are officials and they play official matches. So, they called them Scottish/English/Welsh/North Ireland national football team. Catalonia football team is not a official team and it can't be called national simply because is not official.
With politics, North Ireland, Wales, Scotland (and England) are openly recognized like home nations, but in Spain autonomous communities are not recognized like that thoug nation was written at Estatuto of Catalonia, they really want to say nationality. They are similar, but not the same. Morancio ( talk) 17:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
If we consider this a "national" team then we can obviously consider "Zidane and friends" as Marseile National Team, hahahah Please see a map of Europe. Catalonia is a region of Spain like Madrid or Murcia. Please, some should not watch much Jericho (TV series) hahahah -- 90.162.108.69 ( talk) 04:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I've made changes to the Catalan/Basque rosters to specify the autonomous community of Spanish clubs whose players are called to the Catalan/Basque teams. Changes are being made to the Catalan team's page to revert back and forth between CC.AA. flags and the Spanish national flag, but the roster on the Basque team's page hasn't been touched at all. If the Catalan/Basque teams are only regional ones according to the RFEF, then having the clubs' autonomous community flags shouldn't be a problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.172.13 ( talk) 21:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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@ Fob.schools, Hunig3, and Fcbjuvenil:, It looks like there is some edit-waring about whether this is a "national" team. Please also see the conversations above about this. Rather than moving the article, especially when there has already been discussion about whether this is a "national" team, there should have been some discussion here first. In addition, I see that infoboxes are getting updated to remove the Catalonia national team info, Hunig3. What's up? Can you sort this out here rather than edit-warring? In addition, an ANI was opened up against Hunig3. Again, this should have been talked about first.– CaroleHenson ( talk) 15:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC) My apologies, I am new to editing in Wikipedia and should have spent more time reading and understanding how it works before editing. With regards to the topic, I read the discussion but I do not find any valid reason to have the team referred as ”national team", let alone to include the appearances and goals with this regional representative team on the infobox. The team represents a region of Spain, it is not sanctioned by UEFA/FIFA and it is composed of players from many different nations. Including the appearances and goals record on the infoboxes ONLY responds to individuals pushing a political agenda. It is, by all means, false information misleading to readers. I am not interested in a war of edits, I see that Catalan cyber warriors are working very hard on keeping this delusion going, so if there is no interest in accuracy by other editors, I guess the Catalan super national team made of people from all over the world and playing friendlies will keep counting as "national team" experience for legends such as Iniesta, born in the province of Albacete (Castile-La Mancha region). Hunig3 ( talk) 04:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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Per WP:COATRACK I removed a huge unsourced list of alleged Catalan players, most of whom never played for this team (you know, the topic of the article). Just because some French internationals were born in an area where Catalan is spoken does not make them Catalans, that's up for them to decide themselves. That also goes for Antonello Cuccureddu, who was listed. He was born in Alghero, an Italian city founded by Catalans and it remains spoken by some, but that doesn't make him Catalan unless he considers himself that. That's like saying all people born in New York are Dutch because the Dutch founded it. Though we can go into huge arguments of who is and isn't Catalan if they are born abroad, the main crux is that these players didn't play for this team. 79.74.173.238 ( talk) 15:49, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against moving. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 08:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Catalonia national football team → ? – This squad is not a national team, the name is based on a mistranslation, a more suitable title should be discussed. The Chumbo One ( talk) 01:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Counter-arguments to the usual premises:
Now, as alternative names, here are a few considerations:
Note as well that these changes should be also applied to any related articles, such as the female squads or the entry for Pep Guardiola in which Catalonia is listed as one of his national teams and lifted to be on the same level as the Spain National Team. I would imagine this same issue is present in the articles for the Basque squads.
Finally, I would like to note that, despite most of the points above being factual and sourced, I imagine some ethnic nationalists would not accept them, and it's as well only natural that people from out of Spain might lean towards siding with what they regard as the "underdog". That said, should consensus appear elusive, I would ask people to consider if what should matter in an encyclopedia that wants to be regarded as reputable should be the "I got here first so my word stands" or sticking to the current, factual, contrastable state of things, if an encyclopedia should give more value to "what some people would personally like things to be" over "what currently is, from a material point of view".
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Satesclop, please can you take your anti-Basque and anti-Catalan agenda elsewhere. A regional football team does not have to represent an independent state. There are several cases in Europe alone where autonomous regions have national teams. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Faroe Islands are all recognised by UEFA and FIFA and use the term national team in their articles. Politcal status has nothing to do with it. Even so both the Basque Country and Catalonia have more autonomy then the above. Djln-- Djln 16:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
this is not the place to discuss whether Catalonia is a region (as some say) or a part of Spain, however some of the Catalonia
regional football team players are:
Sangibarbá and Di Stefano: Argentinians Kubala: Hungarian Neskens and Cruyyf: Dutch Evaristo: Brazilian Sapirissa: Salvadoran
And amongst the "Spaniards" we can find:
Cesar: born in Leon Luis Suarez: born in La Coruna Pereda: born in Burgos Alcántara: born in the Philipines Velasco: born in Murcia Two of the best Catalonian players of all time played alternatively for and against Catalonia (Samitier and Zamora)
If we consider this a national team then we can obviously consider "Zidane and friends" as Marseile National Team. And please don´t waste your time calling me "anti-catalan", please take your victimist agenda somewhereelse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.103.32.48 ( talk) 17:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
From the wikipedia page on catalonia. "The Preamble of the 2006 Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia states that the Parliament of Catalonia has defined Catalonia as a nation". The zidane and friends arguement is just wrong. Catalonia has it's own football assiociation as well and has autonomy (unlike Marseile). Also because they are not recognized by fifa/uefa elgibilty rules don't apply so they are allowed to have guest players like Cruyff and Di Stefano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.121.101 ( talk) 01:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Not a natinoal team. It's a regional team not recognised by UEFA / FIFA as national team despite some of catalan people claim for independence. It's not comparable to Wales, England or Northern Ireland, they are different cases, because they are constituent nations of a state (even more, FIFA stipulated particular laws only for these UK nations). Catalonia is an autonomus region of a state. The problem when translating the word "nation" from spanish to english, is that you use it as "state" meaning, which is not correct. Catalonia is not a state. When we say its a "nation" we refer it to "historial nation" which is recognised by the Spanish Constitution, but it doesn´t work as a state.
When 90.162.108.69 talks about "Zidane friends" (bad example) he points the fact that is has to be comparised in that case with teams like Athens team (which plays representing Greece before the national greek team was formed, or the London XI which represented UK in the very first Olympic Games). The aren't states as we recognised today.
Same apllies to Euskadi. Hope the conflict is understood now.
-- Brgesto ( talk) 14:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I know I saw a match between Catalonia and Andorra in 2003 or 04. Why isn't it included in this list? Moravice 09:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I've deleted the "there are many Spanish teams in Catalonia", since that has nothing to do with the Catalonian team. -- 85.48.105.52 05:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure how to edit the kit diagram, but here's a photo of the home strip:
http://www.futcat.org/images_noticias/0000000249/38.jpg
-- GoHawks4 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I can't get the image to come up, but I know what the uniform looks like. The one shown on the page is blue and needs to be changed to black.
-- GhostXIII —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.118.85.53 ( talk) 17:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
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Codorado ( talk · contribs) is putting some flags that (s)he doesen't accepts in other articles. I think it is crucial to write in this article (since it deals with Catalan national football team) to specify which people are Catalan but, if in FC Barcelona the information about the autonomous community is not accepted, I don't see why should we detail here if Iniesta comes from Castille la Mancha or to put the coat of arms (¿?¿?¿?) of Plovdiv.-- Xtv - ( my talk) - ( que dius que què?) 01:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Catalonia is a region of Spain, the only nation is Spain.-- 88.7.243.55 ( talk) 15:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Hahaha.. "my dearly friend" I invite you to read it someday... in your language:
From The Spanish Constitution that is the fundamental law of the Kingdom of Spain. "The 1978 Constitution recognizes and guarantees the right to autonomy of the nationalities and regions in Article 2, linking the beginning with the UNITY of the Spanish nation and solidarity between THE REGIONS that compose it.
I repeat: THE REGIONS that compose it
rock beats scissors = Spanish laws beats regional laws, of course.
An example, my little town can be named as "the largest stellar conjunction nation universal universe of the universe". But my little town is a town of Spain with spanish laws. Do you understand? Sorry for the stellar example hahaha.
The following statement in the first paragraph is bizarre:
"Catalonia has tried to join UEFA, citing Scotland and Wales as similar national sides with UEFA membership, but has always been rejected. "
Surely all four nations of the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) are examples of sub-sovereign state nations competing in football. The author of this sentence is perhaps under the mistaken impression that England and the UK are somehow the same thing, and that Scotland and Wales are part of England in the same way Catalonia is part of Spain?!?! In fact England and all the other UK nations are directly equivalent to the Catalonia national football team, with the exception that that they are officially reconignised (rightly or wrongly) by FIFA and UEFA.
I have therefore changed the sentence to the following:
"Catalonia has tried to join UEFA, citing the constituent nations of the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) as similar national sides with UEFA membership, but has always been rejected."
Where possible could someone correct the alternative language versions of this page if they carry the same mistake/oversight. Brunanburh ( talk) 01:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Catalonia is not a nation, so you can´t have a national team. It´s so easy. There is no legal text in which Catalonia appears as a nation, so this is a regional team. As you should know, Catalonia has never been known as Catalonia national team, but as Catalonia regional team. And please, don´t compare Catalonia or Basque country, which NEVER have been independent, whith other nations with a real national tradition as Scotland. Wikipedia should reflect the reality, and it is not that Catalonia is a national team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.159.215 ( talk) 13:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Any reasonable definition of "nation" perfectly defines Catalonia. You can of course ignore facts and just abide by the Spanish law (as if it were impartial in this matter). Let's go down this path for a second. The Spanish constitution (is that enough of a legal text for you?) calls Catalonia a "nationality", whatever this means. Hence, the Catalan team can be safely defined as a national team. Spanish nationalists feel this compulsion to deny the Catalan nation in every related article in wikipedia. 85.50.127.75 ( talk) 08:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I was just checking the article and then the internet and I can't find a list of next matches (or next match) Catalonia is going to play? Does anyone know the next opponent(s) and/or a website which could tell me this? Jaume BG 07:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The template at the bottom needs tidying up. Nobody, but nobody, believes that the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, etc... are nations. This is not to say Brittany, Catalonia, Basque Country etc. are not nations, but not these tiny little islands.
Does the team exclusively use Catalan in the locker room and on the pitch? Funnyhat ( talk) 06:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Just curious, why is Pique not listed on the roster. He is from Barcelona and played for Catalonia against argentina in december of 09. ( http://www.goal.com/en/match/43549/catalunya-vs-argentina/lineup-stats). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.121.101 ( talk) 01:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
In the English language there is a need to use the word "nation" in that title. For example, if we were talking about the national football side representing the constituent country of England, we would say England national football team, and not "England football team", as it's far too generic. Also, there is a nation called Catalonia within Spain as the top court in the nation ruled a year ago, ( Reference) so there is no need to argue about that. -- Marco Guzman, Jr Chat 23:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
People here defends that Catalonia's case is similar to Wales, Scotland and England's cases, but it is not true. Without politics, those football are recognized by FIFA, they are officials and they play official matches. So, they called them Scottish/English/Welsh/North Ireland national football team. Catalonia football team is not a official team and it can't be called national simply because is not official.
With politics, North Ireland, Wales, Scotland (and England) are openly recognized like home nations, but in Spain autonomous communities are not recognized like that thoug nation was written at Estatuto of Catalonia, they really want to say nationality. They are similar, but not the same. Morancio ( talk) 17:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
If we consider this a "national" team then we can obviously consider "Zidane and friends" as Marseile National Team, hahahah Please see a map of Europe. Catalonia is a region of Spain like Madrid or Murcia. Please, some should not watch much Jericho (TV series) hahahah -- 90.162.108.69 ( talk) 04:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I've made changes to the Catalan/Basque rosters to specify the autonomous community of Spanish clubs whose players are called to the Catalan/Basque teams. Changes are being made to the Catalan team's page to revert back and forth between CC.AA. flags and the Spanish national flag, but the roster on the Basque team's page hasn't been touched at all. If the Catalan/Basque teams are only regional ones according to the RFEF, then having the clubs' autonomous community flags shouldn't be a problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.172.13 ( talk) 21:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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@ Fob.schools, Hunig3, and Fcbjuvenil:, It looks like there is some edit-waring about whether this is a "national" team. Please also see the conversations above about this. Rather than moving the article, especially when there has already been discussion about whether this is a "national" team, there should have been some discussion here first. In addition, I see that infoboxes are getting updated to remove the Catalonia national team info, Hunig3. What's up? Can you sort this out here rather than edit-warring? In addition, an ANI was opened up against Hunig3. Again, this should have been talked about first.– CaroleHenson ( talk) 15:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC) My apologies, I am new to editing in Wikipedia and should have spent more time reading and understanding how it works before editing. With regards to the topic, I read the discussion but I do not find any valid reason to have the team referred as ”national team", let alone to include the appearances and goals with this regional representative team on the infobox. The team represents a region of Spain, it is not sanctioned by UEFA/FIFA and it is composed of players from many different nations. Including the appearances and goals record on the infoboxes ONLY responds to individuals pushing a political agenda. It is, by all means, false information misleading to readers. I am not interested in a war of edits, I see that Catalan cyber warriors are working very hard on keeping this delusion going, so if there is no interest in accuracy by other editors, I guess the Catalan super national team made of people from all over the world and playing friendlies will keep counting as "national team" experience for legends such as Iniesta, born in the province of Albacete (Castile-La Mancha region). Hunig3 ( talk) 04:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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Per WP:COATRACK I removed a huge unsourced list of alleged Catalan players, most of whom never played for this team (you know, the topic of the article). Just because some French internationals were born in an area where Catalan is spoken does not make them Catalans, that's up for them to decide themselves. That also goes for Antonello Cuccureddu, who was listed. He was born in Alghero, an Italian city founded by Catalans and it remains spoken by some, but that doesn't make him Catalan unless he considers himself that. That's like saying all people born in New York are Dutch because the Dutch founded it. Though we can go into huge arguments of who is and isn't Catalan if they are born abroad, the main crux is that these players didn't play for this team. 79.74.173.238 ( talk) 15:49, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against moving. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 08:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Catalonia national football team → ? – This squad is not a national team, the name is based on a mistranslation, a more suitable title should be discussed. The Chumbo One ( talk) 01:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Counter-arguments to the usual premises:
Now, as alternative names, here are a few considerations:
Note as well that these changes should be also applied to any related articles, such as the female squads or the entry for Pep Guardiola in which Catalonia is listed as one of his national teams and lifted to be on the same level as the Spain National Team. I would imagine this same issue is present in the articles for the Basque squads.
Finally, I would like to note that, despite most of the points above being factual and sourced, I imagine some ethnic nationalists would not accept them, and it's as well only natural that people from out of Spain might lean towards siding with what they regard as the "underdog". That said, should consensus appear elusive, I would ask people to consider if what should matter in an encyclopedia that wants to be regarded as reputable should be the "I got here first so my word stands" or sticking to the current, factual, contrastable state of things, if an encyclopedia should give more value to "what some people would personally like things to be" over "what currently is, from a material point of view".
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