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There have been a number of deaths since 6 February that should probably be mentioned:
This article was tagged for close-paraphrasing and needs to be cleaned. Among the sources improperly used in the article:
-- NortyNort (Holla) 21:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys. Just back from a dissertation-enforced break from Wiki and I am a little concerned about how the reports of deaths have been construed on this page. It seems that a number of the recent casualties noted in the list rely solely on allegations made by the opposition or those without any medical knowledge, and are then counted as being a result of the unrest. For instance Yahya Yousef (I thought this was his father’s name, not his?) is on the list purely because his father *thinks* teargas may have led to his death. Is there any medical evidence for this? Apparently the baby didn’t even leave the hospital as he was ill from birth – I really don’t think that every death in Bahrain can be blamed on the unrest.
Similarly with using quotes from the BCHR in general. It is clearly in their wider political interest to state that the authorities are to blame for a majority of the deaths. In some cases relating to tear gas, they may (probably do) have a point but nonetheless are there any independent reports? Can’t the families ask for an independent autopsy? It is interesting that no international press wires/outlets (that I’ve seen anyway) have said that the government is responsible for these deaths. AKhani84 ( talk) 10:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
The current death number as of 7 June 2012 is 94. I've counted the deaths one by one from the detailed table. However in the first of the small table, the count is 93. I've traced the problem and it seems it started from the creation of the article (always 1 less than the total number). Thus I'll look into Bahraini uprising article history to see where the mistake was made. Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
The editors of this article may be unaware of the standards, but Twitter and Facebook are not considered "reliable sources". See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Please remove all Twitter, Facebook, and any other social networks from the references. Boneyard90 ( talk) 03:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
1. "it was fine as long as it came from a reliable person associated with the subject."
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2. "Tweets by notable individuals, if it is highly relevant and important, can be used as a self-published source with proper attribution."
[12].
3. "Asking whether Twitter in general is a reliable source is a bit like asking whether the World Wide Web is a reliable source."
[13].
According to the policy "Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are appropriate on any given occasion is a matter of good editorial judgment and common sense, and should be discussed on article talk pages." Thus in the sense that we can accept Twitter posts by verified accounts assuming they allegedly do the research to confirm the veracity of the information they publish, shouldn't this also apply to Twitter accounts of human rights activists and opposition parties? In this post Feb 14 YC claim they have done research and cited a witness who have seen the incident, shouldn't that be enough? (or "its methodology is not verifiable, and it is not a credible and impartial news source")
Do links from reliable sources make a Twitter or Facebook account verified? For example, @angryarabiya is not a verified account in Twitter, however there are reliable sources such as this which say the account belongs to Zainab al-Khawaja.
What about government sources which in April 2011 denied any torture allegations, but in November 2011 accepted there was systematic torture and that five died as a result? (see Torture_during_the_2011–2012_Bahraini_uprising#Government_denials and Torture_during_the_2011–2012_Bahraini_uprising#Deaths) Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I will list the numbers of references which I think are considered unreliable or primary or self published according to (what I understand so far of) Wikipedia policies, please discuss and correct me if any mistakes occur (Did I tag them correctly? Did I miss any of them?).
As I have said before, some deaths can be supported by other references not used here such as using BCHR website instead of Twitter accounts of its members (you can make edits on the list itself if you want). Mohamed CJ (talk) 10:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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There have been a number of deaths since 6 February that should probably be mentioned:
This article was tagged for close-paraphrasing and needs to be cleaned. Among the sources improperly used in the article:
-- NortyNort (Holla) 21:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys. Just back from a dissertation-enforced break from Wiki and I am a little concerned about how the reports of deaths have been construed on this page. It seems that a number of the recent casualties noted in the list rely solely on allegations made by the opposition or those without any medical knowledge, and are then counted as being a result of the unrest. For instance Yahya Yousef (I thought this was his father’s name, not his?) is on the list purely because his father *thinks* teargas may have led to his death. Is there any medical evidence for this? Apparently the baby didn’t even leave the hospital as he was ill from birth – I really don’t think that every death in Bahrain can be blamed on the unrest.
Similarly with using quotes from the BCHR in general. It is clearly in their wider political interest to state that the authorities are to blame for a majority of the deaths. In some cases relating to tear gas, they may (probably do) have a point but nonetheless are there any independent reports? Can’t the families ask for an independent autopsy? It is interesting that no international press wires/outlets (that I’ve seen anyway) have said that the government is responsible for these deaths. AKhani84 ( talk) 10:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
The current death number as of 7 June 2012 is 94. I've counted the deaths one by one from the detailed table. However in the first of the small table, the count is 93. I've traced the problem and it seems it started from the creation of the article (always 1 less than the total number). Thus I'll look into Bahraini uprising article history to see where the mistake was made. Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
The editors of this article may be unaware of the standards, but Twitter and Facebook are not considered "reliable sources". See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Please remove all Twitter, Facebook, and any other social networks from the references. Boneyard90 ( talk) 03:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
1. "it was fine as long as it came from a reliable person associated with the subject."
[11]
2. "Tweets by notable individuals, if it is highly relevant and important, can be used as a self-published source with proper attribution."
[12].
3. "Asking whether Twitter in general is a reliable source is a bit like asking whether the World Wide Web is a reliable source."
[13].
According to the policy "Deciding whether primary, secondary or tertiary sources are appropriate on any given occasion is a matter of good editorial judgment and common sense, and should be discussed on article talk pages." Thus in the sense that we can accept Twitter posts by verified accounts assuming they allegedly do the research to confirm the veracity of the information they publish, shouldn't this also apply to Twitter accounts of human rights activists and opposition parties? In this post Feb 14 YC claim they have done research and cited a witness who have seen the incident, shouldn't that be enough? (or "its methodology is not verifiable, and it is not a credible and impartial news source")
Do links from reliable sources make a Twitter or Facebook account verified? For example, @angryarabiya is not a verified account in Twitter, however there are reliable sources such as this which say the account belongs to Zainab al-Khawaja.
What about government sources which in April 2011 denied any torture allegations, but in November 2011 accepted there was systematic torture and that five died as a result? (see Torture_during_the_2011–2012_Bahraini_uprising#Government_denials and Torture_during_the_2011–2012_Bahraini_uprising#Deaths) Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I will list the numbers of references which I think are considered unreliable or primary or self published according to (what I understand so far of) Wikipedia policies, please discuss and correct me if any mistakes occur (Did I tag them correctly? Did I miss any of them?).
As I have said before, some deaths can be supported by other references not used here such as using BCHR website instead of Twitter accounts of its members (you can make edits on the list itself if you want). Mohamed CJ (talk) 10:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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