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I don't think he has been sworn in yet, hence he is still the senate appointee. Or am I wrong? - Marcusmax( speak) 02:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I think you are likely wrong. The oath of office is simply ceremonial in this case, as long as he his certification papers are in order and have been presented to the senate, he should be official ( 24.62.126.170 ( talk) 08:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC))
It lists Carte Goodwin as being the "Senator-Elect" (which Goodwin quite clearly is not, due to his being appointed - but not yet sworn-in).
The Infobox should be edited to indicate that Goodwin is the "Senator-designate" or "Senator-Appointive".
72.82.166.58 ( talk) 11:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Moving this from my talk page for a wider audience.
Hi, can you please cite a source for the statement that an appointed Senator's term starts when he is appointed, not when he is sworn in? Carte Goodwin is not yet recognized as a Senator by the Secretary of the Senate, and that's the official source. Thanks. JTRH ( talk) 18:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
The list of senators by seniority document describes these irregularities and puts them in context. Hope that helps. DCmacnut <> 20:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) This issue was debated over and over and over again back at the start of the 111th Congress when the controversy over Burris cropped up. The Senate last address the issue of appointments, special elections, terms in 1957 during a controversy over Thomas A. Wofford, who was appointed to replace Strom Thurmond (Riddick's Senate Procedure, p. 1251-52). Also, if the oath of office was the deciding factor, then Gladys Pyle would never have been a senator having never taken the oath. I see no reason to rehash it, since this issue will be resolved once and for all once the certificate of apointment is printed and the Senate updates the chronological list of senators document with the exact date. Sources indicate that it will be July 16, since that is the date Manchin said he "appointed" Goodwin. If we want to point a link to this dicussion at WP:USC that would be fine, since many other editors already debated this extensively, including Markles and Rrius. For senators elected in the normal order, the Constitution is the deciding factor. Terms start on January 3 every two years, even though oath's are typically taken later in the week because Congress rarely convenes on January 3. For the 111th Congress, it was January 6. 2 USC 36 and Senate precedent is the driving source in for appoited and special elections, since the 17th Amendment is silent on when those terms start. The service dates are manifested in the official chronological list of senators linked at Seniority in the United States Senate.
With respect to Kristin Gillibrand, she was appointed January 23. However, she was a member of the House of Representatives on the 23rd, and remained so until resigning on January 26. Article I of the Constitution says that no "Person holding any office under the United States shall be a member of either house during his continuance in office." You can't be a representaitve and a senator at the same time. Therefore, she became a senator when she resigned from the House on January 26. She took the oath January 27. George Lemieux was appointed September 9, 2009, to replace Mel Martinez. Lemieux's service started September 10, one day later the same day he took the oath. However, this is because Martinez didn't resign until the end of the day on September 9. Lemieux couldn't fill a vacancy that didn't exist, so his service started September 10. Scott Brown was elected on January 19, but his service didn't start until February 4, the day that Massachusetts certified the election. Al Franken was elected November 2008, but his service didn't start until July 7, 2009, when Minnesota certified the election. Roland Burris was appointed December 31, 2008, but the Senate said he didn't have a valid certificate of appointment until January 12, 2009. There are many more examples of dates not being consistent, including Huey Long who was elected but didn't take office for 2 years because he was still governor of Lousisina. Rush D. Holt Sr. was elected to a full term at age 29, but had to wait until he turned 30 to take office. DCmacnut <> 19:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Anybody know what Goodwin's religion is? I've attempted to locate a source, but have been unsuccessful. I'm sure that information will eventually be published, as all 99 other Senators have information about their religion, but it'd be beneficial to find a source if one exists. Gage ( talk) 23:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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Overall I have no choice but to fail the article because of a lack of broad coverage. There are other problems such as those mentioned above. I think there needs to be more information about his political career, achievements, views, etc. He may have been a Senator only a few months, but has been involved in politics nearly ten years. I think the prose could be improved, but it alone isn't enough to cause me to outright fail the article. As far as the WP:GACR go, criteria 4, 5, and 6 are fine. Criteria 1 should would be marginal, criteria 2 has some small problems (see above), but criteria 3 has not been met.
I hope the comments I've made are helpful, and that the article can be bought up to GA standard in the future. If you want any clarification on anything feel free to contact me on my talk page. - Shudde talk 04:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
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I hope I don't ask this incorrectly. Booth Goodwin's wife, Amy, was elected the first female Mayor of Charleston, West Virginia, yesterday. Booth is Carte's cousin, does this warrant a mention? I'm sorry, but I haven't made any edits in years, and I've forgotten how. Here's the link: [1] Barefoot gal ( talk) 14:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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I don't think he has been sworn in yet, hence he is still the senate appointee. Or am I wrong? - Marcusmax( speak) 02:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I think you are likely wrong. The oath of office is simply ceremonial in this case, as long as he his certification papers are in order and have been presented to the senate, he should be official ( 24.62.126.170 ( talk) 08:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC))
It lists Carte Goodwin as being the "Senator-Elect" (which Goodwin quite clearly is not, due to his being appointed - but not yet sworn-in).
The Infobox should be edited to indicate that Goodwin is the "Senator-designate" or "Senator-Appointive".
72.82.166.58 ( talk) 11:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Moving this from my talk page for a wider audience.
Hi, can you please cite a source for the statement that an appointed Senator's term starts when he is appointed, not when he is sworn in? Carte Goodwin is not yet recognized as a Senator by the Secretary of the Senate, and that's the official source. Thanks. JTRH ( talk) 18:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
The list of senators by seniority document describes these irregularities and puts them in context. Hope that helps. DCmacnut <> 20:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) This issue was debated over and over and over again back at the start of the 111th Congress when the controversy over Burris cropped up. The Senate last address the issue of appointments, special elections, terms in 1957 during a controversy over Thomas A. Wofford, who was appointed to replace Strom Thurmond (Riddick's Senate Procedure, p. 1251-52). Also, if the oath of office was the deciding factor, then Gladys Pyle would never have been a senator having never taken the oath. I see no reason to rehash it, since this issue will be resolved once and for all once the certificate of apointment is printed and the Senate updates the chronological list of senators document with the exact date. Sources indicate that it will be July 16, since that is the date Manchin said he "appointed" Goodwin. If we want to point a link to this dicussion at WP:USC that would be fine, since many other editors already debated this extensively, including Markles and Rrius. For senators elected in the normal order, the Constitution is the deciding factor. Terms start on January 3 every two years, even though oath's are typically taken later in the week because Congress rarely convenes on January 3. For the 111th Congress, it was January 6. 2 USC 36 and Senate precedent is the driving source in for appoited and special elections, since the 17th Amendment is silent on when those terms start. The service dates are manifested in the official chronological list of senators linked at Seniority in the United States Senate.
With respect to Kristin Gillibrand, she was appointed January 23. However, she was a member of the House of Representatives on the 23rd, and remained so until resigning on January 26. Article I of the Constitution says that no "Person holding any office under the United States shall be a member of either house during his continuance in office." You can't be a representaitve and a senator at the same time. Therefore, she became a senator when she resigned from the House on January 26. She took the oath January 27. George Lemieux was appointed September 9, 2009, to replace Mel Martinez. Lemieux's service started September 10, one day later the same day he took the oath. However, this is because Martinez didn't resign until the end of the day on September 9. Lemieux couldn't fill a vacancy that didn't exist, so his service started September 10. Scott Brown was elected on January 19, but his service didn't start until February 4, the day that Massachusetts certified the election. Al Franken was elected November 2008, but his service didn't start until July 7, 2009, when Minnesota certified the election. Roland Burris was appointed December 31, 2008, but the Senate said he didn't have a valid certificate of appointment until January 12, 2009. There are many more examples of dates not being consistent, including Huey Long who was elected but didn't take office for 2 years because he was still governor of Lousisina. Rush D. Holt Sr. was elected to a full term at age 29, but had to wait until he turned 30 to take office. DCmacnut <> 19:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Anybody know what Goodwin's religion is? I've attempted to locate a source, but have been unsuccessful. I'm sure that information will eventually be published, as all 99 other Senators have information about their religion, but it'd be beneficial to find a source if one exists. Gage ( talk) 23:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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I hope the comments I've made are helpful, and that the article can be bought up to GA standard in the future. If you want any clarification on anything feel free to contact me on my talk page. - Shudde talk 04:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
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I hope I don't ask this incorrectly. Booth Goodwin's wife, Amy, was elected the first female Mayor of Charleston, West Virginia, yesterday. Booth is Carte's cousin, does this warrant a mention? I'm sorry, but I haven't made any edits in years, and I've forgotten how. Here's the link: [1] Barefoot gal ( talk) 14:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)