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The notability of Carole Rome is questionable. The real motivation for creating this article was that she is the fiancee of a major politican, a governor, and to spread rumors about the governor's sexuality (there are ongoing attempts in several articles to do this). For this reason, I have placed the Coatrack tag. Publishing rumors about someone's marriage is typically inconsistent with the privacy goals of the policy, WP:BLP. The policy on "reliable sources", WP:RS does not license "mongering a rumor" just because the rumor is publicized in a RS. In addition, by WP:RS, self published things like Huffington Post are not reliable sources to begin with. Previous versions of this article had excessive detail, which rendered the tone of the overall article less encyclopedic. Hurmata ( talk) 04:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Hurmata for your clarivoyant declaration of my intentions in creating this article. If you note the page history, I was the only author of this article until August 19th, and at that time there were only factual listing of her life events with footnotes to document this. Without doing a detailed history of the whole article, I think that it was one person who added the references to Chuck Todd (which you are justified in removing as it was a spurious comment in passing). The fact that you question her notability, however, is absurd. Her husband was on the short list for Vice President, which could have made her the Second Lady of the U.S. On WP there are bios for Jill Biden, Todd Palen, most spouses of Governors and all the former second ladies and many more that almost were. If you put "Carole Rome" into Google you currently get 18,000+ hits, and they are all this women. "Coatracking" is WP is defined as bias, which is what you are guilty of, when you try and destroy a legitimate bio of a newsworthy person. Kryzadmz ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Now that Crist is not going to be V-P nominee, do we need this article, as Carole Rome is not very noteworthy in her own right? Should we get rid of this article now, or wait till the engagement is called off? RomanSpa ( talk) 11:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
it is highly suspect why anyone would want to scrub info i included previously on the subjects marriage to Todd Rome, who also happens to be the father of her two daughters.
Reference to the daughters has also been scrubbed.-- 4rousseau ( talk) 02:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
details related to the subject's appearance on Real Housewives of New York City and her friendship with the various cast members has also been deleted without an appropriate reason, is someone scrubbing this article?-- 4rousseau ( talk) 02:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
details on a very expensive trade trip to Europe involve not only the governor but also his fiance who accompanied him on the trip and participated in the talks. For some reason, details of the trip and all source material I included have been edited out of the article. scrubbing?-- 4rousseau ( talk) 02:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting that a decision be made on previous contributions that were fact based and purged. Also, Hurmata has requested that the article be deleted - is there a decision on that? If WP is going to encourage expansion on the article " Please help improve this article or section by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page. (May 2009)" then it is important for WP to defend fact based contributions that are purged routinely by Hurmata. I believe as other editors have noted on this article and on the Charlie Crist article-- Hurmata does indeed have a bias problem.-- 4rousseau ( talk) 22:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC) (pasted from the Charlie Crist discussion page) Removal of facts from article on Carole Rome Crist b/c those facts are also presented on Charlie Crist article
"Hurmata" removed several factual contributions to the Carole Crist article - the main reason stated is because some of the facts are already posted here. I would request Horologium to review the Carole Crist history and determine what sections should remain and also to address the request from Hurmata for deletion of the Carole Crist page etc. I think we need to deal with this now rather than ongoing as items come up related to the senatorial campaign. --4rousseau (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
i am pasting the above to carole crist's discussion page as well -along with this reply-since you agree with Hurmata that the Carole Crist article should be a candidate for AfD-- yet no one has placed that flag on the article. Some of what Hurmata removed related to the private corporate jet industry- Todd Rome, Carole's ex runs Blue Star Jet, Carole sat in at the table at meetings with Crist and aviation industry experts on the European trade trip, ---all of this was purged by Hurmata. Is this just coatracky info? I don't think so.
Crist had knee surgery in June 2008 - he recuperated at Jill Zarin's home in the Hamptons - Jill Zarin and the Housewives of New York City (along with the entire franchise) are WP articles that are routinely visited and edited --and this information was also removed. The New York Housewives pages are part of WP- Crist spent his recuperation at Jill Zarin's home and then shortly thereafter proposed to his Carole, whose home "Chateau Rome" appeared in the show and she is good friends with Zarin.
The framework/infrastructure for creating pages for each new first lady of each state is something WP allowed to be created and to take up that bandwidth. I find it interesting that it is discussed as a possible AfD- since all the little nifty boxes showing incumbent predecessor etc are listed on those pages just as they are for the Governors. It would be odd not to have info that is posted on both Michelle Obama's page as well as Barack Obama's page or Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, or Laura Bush and George W. Bush. Yet, here that practice is treated as a redundancy if any linkage is implied, odd.
My hope is that this article does not become Palinized-- i.e. what happened to Sarah Palin's page when she was announced as McCain's running mate. --4rousseau (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
"There's absolutely nothing in the article that indicates that there was anything inappropriate about her sitting in on the meeting," -- and no opinion was given about it being inappropriate- merely stating the fact that she was at the table at the meeting- it is a fact. Yet it was deleted...
"and attempting to tie her ex-husband's business interests is synthesis, a Wikipedia no-no." -- didn't tie her husband's business to the fact of the meeting, I stated it simply as a background for her possibly expertise for attending the meeting-- if you look at the history you will see that the two are not synthesized. I realize it may be difficult to see the revisions in the history but that is the case.
Hurmata even wanted to remove the ex husband Todd Rome and the two children entirely from the Carole Rome article-- -- 4rousseau ( talk) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
and here are the links if anyone cares to see re:friendship between Real Housewives Zarin and Carole Rome Crist --
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2009/03/lost-footage-of-floridas-first-lady-on-real-housewives.html -- 4rousseau ( talk) 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
and
http://jillzarin.com/jills-blog/summer-update-from-the-hamptons/ -- 4rousseau ( talk) 19:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused about the mention of her relationship with her daughters, and specifically the phrase "she remains active in their lives." Why is this included in the article? The citation leads to a blog that focuses on allegations she had not spoken to them in two years... Editing this content. Macboots ( talk) 12:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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The subject of this article has contacted me requesting minor edits. I will make them as transparently as possible. I have legitimate sources for everything except her current place of residence of Fisher Island. She recently moved back there after a much publicized move to NYC. Ichormosquito ( talk) 15:27, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
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The notability of Carole Rome is questionable. The real motivation for creating this article was that she is the fiancee of a major politican, a governor, and to spread rumors about the governor's sexuality (there are ongoing attempts in several articles to do this). For this reason, I have placed the Coatrack tag. Publishing rumors about someone's marriage is typically inconsistent with the privacy goals of the policy, WP:BLP. The policy on "reliable sources", WP:RS does not license "mongering a rumor" just because the rumor is publicized in a RS. In addition, by WP:RS, self published things like Huffington Post are not reliable sources to begin with. Previous versions of this article had excessive detail, which rendered the tone of the overall article less encyclopedic. Hurmata ( talk) 04:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Hurmata for your clarivoyant declaration of my intentions in creating this article. If you note the page history, I was the only author of this article until August 19th, and at that time there were only factual listing of her life events with footnotes to document this. Without doing a detailed history of the whole article, I think that it was one person who added the references to Chuck Todd (which you are justified in removing as it was a spurious comment in passing). The fact that you question her notability, however, is absurd. Her husband was on the short list for Vice President, which could have made her the Second Lady of the U.S. On WP there are bios for Jill Biden, Todd Palen, most spouses of Governors and all the former second ladies and many more that almost were. If you put "Carole Rome" into Google you currently get 18,000+ hits, and they are all this women. "Coatracking" is WP is defined as bias, which is what you are guilty of, when you try and destroy a legitimate bio of a newsworthy person. Kryzadmz ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Now that Crist is not going to be V-P nominee, do we need this article, as Carole Rome is not very noteworthy in her own right? Should we get rid of this article now, or wait till the engagement is called off? RomanSpa ( talk) 11:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
it is highly suspect why anyone would want to scrub info i included previously on the subjects marriage to Todd Rome, who also happens to be the father of her two daughters.
Reference to the daughters has also been scrubbed.-- 4rousseau ( talk) 02:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
details related to the subject's appearance on Real Housewives of New York City and her friendship with the various cast members has also been deleted without an appropriate reason, is someone scrubbing this article?-- 4rousseau ( talk) 02:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
details on a very expensive trade trip to Europe involve not only the governor but also his fiance who accompanied him on the trip and participated in the talks. For some reason, details of the trip and all source material I included have been edited out of the article. scrubbing?-- 4rousseau ( talk) 02:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I am requesting that a decision be made on previous contributions that were fact based and purged. Also, Hurmata has requested that the article be deleted - is there a decision on that? If WP is going to encourage expansion on the article " Please help improve this article or section by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page. (May 2009)" then it is important for WP to defend fact based contributions that are purged routinely by Hurmata. I believe as other editors have noted on this article and on the Charlie Crist article-- Hurmata does indeed have a bias problem.-- 4rousseau ( talk) 22:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC) (pasted from the Charlie Crist discussion page) Removal of facts from article on Carole Rome Crist b/c those facts are also presented on Charlie Crist article
"Hurmata" removed several factual contributions to the Carole Crist article - the main reason stated is because some of the facts are already posted here. I would request Horologium to review the Carole Crist history and determine what sections should remain and also to address the request from Hurmata for deletion of the Carole Crist page etc. I think we need to deal with this now rather than ongoing as items come up related to the senatorial campaign. --4rousseau (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
i am pasting the above to carole crist's discussion page as well -along with this reply-since you agree with Hurmata that the Carole Crist article should be a candidate for AfD-- yet no one has placed that flag on the article. Some of what Hurmata removed related to the private corporate jet industry- Todd Rome, Carole's ex runs Blue Star Jet, Carole sat in at the table at meetings with Crist and aviation industry experts on the European trade trip, ---all of this was purged by Hurmata. Is this just coatracky info? I don't think so.
Crist had knee surgery in June 2008 - he recuperated at Jill Zarin's home in the Hamptons - Jill Zarin and the Housewives of New York City (along with the entire franchise) are WP articles that are routinely visited and edited --and this information was also removed. The New York Housewives pages are part of WP- Crist spent his recuperation at Jill Zarin's home and then shortly thereafter proposed to his Carole, whose home "Chateau Rome" appeared in the show and she is good friends with Zarin.
The framework/infrastructure for creating pages for each new first lady of each state is something WP allowed to be created and to take up that bandwidth. I find it interesting that it is discussed as a possible AfD- since all the little nifty boxes showing incumbent predecessor etc are listed on those pages just as they are for the Governors. It would be odd not to have info that is posted on both Michelle Obama's page as well as Barack Obama's page or Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, or Laura Bush and George W. Bush. Yet, here that practice is treated as a redundancy if any linkage is implied, odd.
My hope is that this article does not become Palinized-- i.e. what happened to Sarah Palin's page when she was announced as McCain's running mate. --4rousseau (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
"There's absolutely nothing in the article that indicates that there was anything inappropriate about her sitting in on the meeting," -- and no opinion was given about it being inappropriate- merely stating the fact that she was at the table at the meeting- it is a fact. Yet it was deleted...
"and attempting to tie her ex-husband's business interests is synthesis, a Wikipedia no-no." -- didn't tie her husband's business to the fact of the meeting, I stated it simply as a background for her possibly expertise for attending the meeting-- if you look at the history you will see that the two are not synthesized. I realize it may be difficult to see the revisions in the history but that is the case.
Hurmata even wanted to remove the ex husband Todd Rome and the two children entirely from the Carole Rome article-- -- 4rousseau ( talk) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
and here are the links if anyone cares to see re:friendship between Real Housewives Zarin and Carole Rome Crist --
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2009/03/lost-footage-of-floridas-first-lady-on-real-housewives.html -- 4rousseau ( talk) 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
and
http://jillzarin.com/jills-blog/summer-update-from-the-hamptons/ -- 4rousseau ( talk) 19:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused about the mention of her relationship with her daughters, and specifically the phrase "she remains active in their lives." Why is this included in the article? The citation leads to a blog that focuses on allegations she had not spoken to them in two years... Editing this content. Macboots ( talk) 12:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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The subject of this article has contacted me requesting minor edits. I will make them as transparently as possible. I have legitimate sources for everything except her current place of residence of Fisher Island. She recently moved back there after a much publicized move to NYC. Ichormosquito ( talk) 15:27, 12 December 2019 (UTC)