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Searching google for "New Hampshire Miracle" yields one page of results. A cursory glance indicates none of these results refer to the New Hampshire Miracle to which this page refers. In fact, the first hit IS this wikipedia page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infernallek ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC). Infernallek 14:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)infernallek
This article ready more like a campaign promo rather than an unbiased encyclopedia article. Very poor article. ( Manchguy85 ( talk) 14:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)).
Did Shea-Porter write this entry, or did she just get someone on her campaign staff to write it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.155.184 ( talk) 06:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
This section is wildly POV. It could only have been written by someone whose intent was to actively campaign against Shea-Porter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.32.75 ( talk) 09:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
why doesn't Wikipedia lock down the pages on sitting politicians and then vet them all for accuracy and impartiality. just as I don't want to see the opposition's spin, I wouldn't want to see a page biased towards my views either!!
that said, this page does appear to be one big campaign ad! who wrote it, Mr. Shea-Porter?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.116.212.32 ( talk) 18:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Since her husband's last name is Porter, it's likely that she was born Carol Shea, but your article didn't make this clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.94.182.233 ( talk) 00:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
If this is to remain in the article, we need something closer to a reliable source. The only link given so far is to what looks more like a gossip column than a newspaper article. If this is actually notable, there should be some more solid sources for it. -- Orange Mike | Talk 14:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
According to Shea Porter, these claims are false: "U.S. Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H., dismissed state Republican Party claims Friday that she had been untruthful about an event that took place in 2005 when she was a private citizen." Secoast Online, Sept. 26, 2009) The WP:RS just cited also disputes many of the claims made by the GOP about what Shea Porter allegedly said in 2005 as well as what she said in 2009. betsythedevine ( talk) 01:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
During the August recess, Shea Porter held a bunch of town-hall meetings in NH to discuss her support for healthcare reform. One Union Leader blogger, who does not like Shea Porter and did not like her position, has nevertheless given some context to the ejection from one such meeting of a NH citizen named Carl Tomanelli. His disruption began before the meeting started:
... probably a quarter of the crowd consisted of vocal opponents. One, a big guy named Carl Tomanelli of Londonderry, stood up and started shouting at a woman in a purple “I’m a health care voter” T-shirt when, about 20 minutes before the meeting started, she began handing out “I’m a health care voter” stickers. Tomanelli complained that the stickers would let Shea-Porter know the friendlies in the audience so she could call only on them. A police officer came over and quieted everyone down and said he’d take anyone outside who did that again.
In fact, Shea Porter used a lottery system to randomize the choice of people asking questions, so Tomanelli's accusations were groundless. Two people invited to speak about their own healthcare problems were loudly heckled as they attempted to speak, as was Shea Porter during her opening remarks. Quoting the same account again,
Near the end, things got lively as opponents vented their frustrations. They called Shea-Porter a liar and challenged anyone who asked a friendly question or talked back to them. Carl Tomanelli stood and confronted a young man in an “I’m a health care voter” T-shirt and asked him if he was even from New Hampshire. At this, the police grabbed Tomanelli, told him he’d been warned, and escorted him out.
This is the context in which Shea Porter described her behavior at a Bush event (sitting with her back to the stage wearing a protest tshirt) as not disruptive. At the end of the Bush event, Shea Porter was asked to leave; she was not "ejected" as one can see Tomanelli being in multiple videos put online by her detractors. Interestingly, none of these videos seem to include his pre-meeting disruptive shouting or the warning he received then from police about standing up and shouting at other members of the audience.
The pre-planned and frightening mob disruptions of Shea Porter's town-hall meetings are missing from this article. These disruptions are the context behind Semprini's accusation that she is a hypocrite for objecting to being screamed at and called a liar; these disruptions are the context for her statement that she was not disruptive in 2005. This material should be in the article if the other stuff is in here. betsythedevine ( talk) 13:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with your claim that CSP made untruthful statements about the 2005 event, and neither Portsmouth Herald story says that she did -- although it is clear that Semprini made recklessly unverified and (it turns out) false statements about her, based on hazy recollections and "might have been hearsay." The waffle incident did not involve Shea Porter or her "supporters" and his vague recollection that "I tried to limit her discussion" is a far cry from his colorfully detailed claim in the letter that he personally observed her with supporters disrupting a Bradley event. The second article quotes a Republican press release and gives Shea Porter's refutation, making it clear that the Republican press release is also distorting the news stories on which it claims to be based. There is no reason for this article to parrot a palpably false and politically motivated claim by Republicans.
Speaking of false claims, I hope her opponent read the John DiStaso story falsifying his repeated claim that Shea-Porter had Tomanelli thrown out of the event: "Lt. William Barry of the of the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office, who escorted Tomanelli out of the Manchester meeting at the Norris Cotton federal building .. said that Shea-Porter had no role in having Tomanelli taken out of the meeting.
... According to Barry's statement, "Towards the end of the meeting, Mr. Carl Tomanelli was escorted out of the meeting. Mr. Tomanelli was very disruptive throughout the meeting and was told repeatedly to quiet down. He continuously interrupted people who were asking questions or making statements that he didn’t agree with. "At no time did Representative Shea-Porter advise an officer to escort Mr. Tomanelli from the building." Granite Status, September 9, 2010) betsythedevine ( talk) 17:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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Searching google for "New Hampshire Miracle" yields one page of results. A cursory glance indicates none of these results refer to the New Hampshire Miracle to which this page refers. In fact, the first hit IS this wikipedia page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infernallek ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC). Infernallek 14:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)infernallek
This article ready more like a campaign promo rather than an unbiased encyclopedia article. Very poor article. ( Manchguy85 ( talk) 14:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)).
Did Shea-Porter write this entry, or did she just get someone on her campaign staff to write it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.155.184 ( talk) 06:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
This section is wildly POV. It could only have been written by someone whose intent was to actively campaign against Shea-Porter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.32.75 ( talk) 09:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
why doesn't Wikipedia lock down the pages on sitting politicians and then vet them all for accuracy and impartiality. just as I don't want to see the opposition's spin, I wouldn't want to see a page biased towards my views either!!
that said, this page does appear to be one big campaign ad! who wrote it, Mr. Shea-Porter?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.116.212.32 ( talk) 18:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Since her husband's last name is Porter, it's likely that she was born Carol Shea, but your article didn't make this clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.94.182.233 ( talk) 00:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
If this is to remain in the article, we need something closer to a reliable source. The only link given so far is to what looks more like a gossip column than a newspaper article. If this is actually notable, there should be some more solid sources for it. -- Orange Mike | Talk 14:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
According to Shea Porter, these claims are false: "U.S. Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H., dismissed state Republican Party claims Friday that she had been untruthful about an event that took place in 2005 when she was a private citizen." Secoast Online, Sept. 26, 2009) The WP:RS just cited also disputes many of the claims made by the GOP about what Shea Porter allegedly said in 2005 as well as what she said in 2009. betsythedevine ( talk) 01:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
During the August recess, Shea Porter held a bunch of town-hall meetings in NH to discuss her support for healthcare reform. One Union Leader blogger, who does not like Shea Porter and did not like her position, has nevertheless given some context to the ejection from one such meeting of a NH citizen named Carl Tomanelli. His disruption began before the meeting started:
... probably a quarter of the crowd consisted of vocal opponents. One, a big guy named Carl Tomanelli of Londonderry, stood up and started shouting at a woman in a purple “I’m a health care voter” T-shirt when, about 20 minutes before the meeting started, she began handing out “I’m a health care voter” stickers. Tomanelli complained that the stickers would let Shea-Porter know the friendlies in the audience so she could call only on them. A police officer came over and quieted everyone down and said he’d take anyone outside who did that again.
In fact, Shea Porter used a lottery system to randomize the choice of people asking questions, so Tomanelli's accusations were groundless. Two people invited to speak about their own healthcare problems were loudly heckled as they attempted to speak, as was Shea Porter during her opening remarks. Quoting the same account again,
Near the end, things got lively as opponents vented their frustrations. They called Shea-Porter a liar and challenged anyone who asked a friendly question or talked back to them. Carl Tomanelli stood and confronted a young man in an “I’m a health care voter” T-shirt and asked him if he was even from New Hampshire. At this, the police grabbed Tomanelli, told him he’d been warned, and escorted him out.
This is the context in which Shea Porter described her behavior at a Bush event (sitting with her back to the stage wearing a protest tshirt) as not disruptive. At the end of the Bush event, Shea Porter was asked to leave; she was not "ejected" as one can see Tomanelli being in multiple videos put online by her detractors. Interestingly, none of these videos seem to include his pre-meeting disruptive shouting or the warning he received then from police about standing up and shouting at other members of the audience.
The pre-planned and frightening mob disruptions of Shea Porter's town-hall meetings are missing from this article. These disruptions are the context behind Semprini's accusation that she is a hypocrite for objecting to being screamed at and called a liar; these disruptions are the context for her statement that she was not disruptive in 2005. This material should be in the article if the other stuff is in here. betsythedevine ( talk) 13:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with your claim that CSP made untruthful statements about the 2005 event, and neither Portsmouth Herald story says that she did -- although it is clear that Semprini made recklessly unverified and (it turns out) false statements about her, based on hazy recollections and "might have been hearsay." The waffle incident did not involve Shea Porter or her "supporters" and his vague recollection that "I tried to limit her discussion" is a far cry from his colorfully detailed claim in the letter that he personally observed her with supporters disrupting a Bradley event. The second article quotes a Republican press release and gives Shea Porter's refutation, making it clear that the Republican press release is also distorting the news stories on which it claims to be based. There is no reason for this article to parrot a palpably false and politically motivated claim by Republicans.
Speaking of false claims, I hope her opponent read the John DiStaso story falsifying his repeated claim that Shea-Porter had Tomanelli thrown out of the event: "Lt. William Barry of the of the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office, who escorted Tomanelli out of the Manchester meeting at the Norris Cotton federal building .. said that Shea-Porter had no role in having Tomanelli taken out of the meeting.
... According to Barry's statement, "Towards the end of the meeting, Mr. Carl Tomanelli was escorted out of the meeting. Mr. Tomanelli was very disruptive throughout the meeting and was told repeatedly to quiet down. He continuously interrupted people who were asking questions or making statements that he didn’t agree with. "At no time did Representative Shea-Porter advise an officer to escort Mr. Tomanelli from the building." Granite Status, September 9, 2010) betsythedevine ( talk) 17:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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