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"Carnival Corporation & plc", is that a UK subsidiary?-- Jerryseinfeld 00:19, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In regards to a statement made in Carnival Corporation & plc by User:Carina22 stating that Carnival Corporation & plc was formerly known as P&O Princess is incorrect! Carnival Corporation was a separate independently operated cruise line owned by Micky Arison and his family for nearly 40 years and P&O Princess was a United Kingdom publicly traded cruise line to which Mr. Arison and his family had absolutely NO affiliation with until the Carnival-P&O Princess merger occurred. So basically after the merger was completed P&O Princess became a subsidary of Carnival and the P&O name was dropped in favor of the Carnival name but the way you wrote it, it made it look like Carnival was always called P&O Princess which as stated before is an incorrect statement to make. User:Misterrick 05:10, 05 July 2005 (UTC).
Again, In accurate statements being made by Carina22. Yes, P&O Princess did become a subsidary under the new dual listed company and again Carnival was never formerly known as P&O Princess, As stated before P&O Princess was a separate company that mergered with Carnival, In fact Carnival was started 40 years before Princess even existed so how can Carnival have been formerly known as P&O Princess when P&O Princess didn't even exist when Carnival was first started by Micky Arison's father? Additionally on the Carnival Corporation & plc website it states, "On April 17, 2003, Carnival Corporation (NYSE: CCL) and P&O Princess Cruises plc (LSE: POC) merged via a dual listed company structure (DLC). Subsequently, P&O Princess Cruises plc has changed its name to Carnival plc." so there is no way that Carnival could ever have been formerly known as P&O Princess. Misterrick 19:52, 12 July 2005 (UTC).
You know Carina22, I'll let you have it because your being such an a--hole, I do know what a dual listed company is but you can't get it through your head what I am trying to tell you and by the way P&O doesn't stand for Princess and Orient, it's Pacific and Orient and P&O didn't found Princess they acquired it in the 60s or 70s so Carnival Cruise Lines is older. Misterrick 21:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I have to disagree with Carina22 on this one as well. This demerger thing is giving me a headache.
From what I understand using my own knowledge:
I don't think Carnival was ever called P&O BEFORE the two companies merged. They had no relations with each other until the merger.
Here is the company history website: [ [1]]
After further research, I found this confusing text from cruisecritic.com about Princess:
And regarding P&O Cruises ...
And Taken from P&O Cruises' website:
In conclusion, I'm totally confused!
Carina22 is more or less spot on here, Carnival Corporation & plc is made up of TWO companies (dual listing) as indicated above. Carnival Corporation, which is the US listed company originally formed by Arison, and Carnival plc, which is the UK listed company formerly known as P&O Princess Cruises plc, which originates from P&O. These two companies are effectively run as one (Carnival Group), operating all the cruise brands in the group.
More specifically, Carnival plc is literally P&O Princess Cruises plc with a new name. When Carnival Corp and P&O Princess plc merged, it was agreed that P&O Princess would remain as a separate company, retaining the predominantly British shareholder body and management team; it was simply re-listed as Carnival plc. Carnival plc is NOT the company founded by Arison, Carnival plc is P&O's old cruise ship business with a new name!
The P&O Princess article goes into more detail about the background of the company, but again Carina22 is correct, P&O Princess plc was created from the old passenger division of P&O (Peninsular & Oriental). Crazy-dancing ( talk) 13:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
you listed historic cunard ships like RMS Queen Elizabeth 1940 and old Carpathia under Carnival Corp. ships. What's that? It's wrong! QE 2 and QM 2 are okay. 10:01, July,29th 2005 DEF
So, how come I can't get to a P&O Cruises (Australia) or a P&O Cruises (UK) page where I would find info on the ships Pacific Sky, Pacific Star, Pacific Sun or Arcadia, Artemis, Aurora, Oceana, Oriana and soon Ventura? Where is all this located? Because when I search for P&O Cruises, I'm basically told it doesn't exist, when it does. -- Eeclwa 21:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that P&O cruises should have it's own page, Carnival may own P&O, but it owns Princess to and they have their own page (incidentally P&O took over Princess before both brands were taken over by Carnival, deepening the injustice!) P&O Cruises has a history of over 100 years that stretches back way before Carnival comes along. Just because we trade as Carnival now (ok, so the cat's out of the bag, I work for P&O, well, Cunard, but that's another rant...) we still trade as P&O in the UK, most people don't know who Carnival are!
I'll agree to the last two comments. Definately something that needs doing one day.
Newda898
21:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Great idea, it was the pain of taking a leap and starting it that seemed so daunting. Ah well, there's a project for the Easter holidays! Newda898 18:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes Carnival did not own Titanic, but threw the purchase of Cunard, it has become part of its history. Please do not just revert back with talking about it. - Ben 02:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any evidence to support this? It seems to be a very tenuous link. Newda898 15:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
1. Are the figuresin the right handside box in million or billion . because the data in the left side in the paragraph says billion . can someone please verify this.
I've noticed that on numerous articles, someone is going around deleting useful financial data about the companies. Please leave financial data intact as it is indespensible to financial research. In this case, it looks like they selectively removed one company's more extensive and focused financial analysis and replaced it with yahoo's more general information. However, to not get into an editing war as to which external link is more useful to wikipedia viewrs, I'll leave both. 192.114.4.36 ( talk) 08:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is there a mention of Dianne Brimble who died on a P&O cruise in Australia on the Wikipedia entry for Carnival Lines?
I will remove it (18 August 2008 22:13hrs AEST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.215.201 ( talk) 12:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved to Carnival Corporation & plc. Aervanath ( talk) 16:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Carnival Corporation & PLC → Carnival Corporation & plc — The version with lower case "plc" is that used by the company itself, and is also otherwise the far more commonly used version. -- Lambiam 14:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
"Carnival Corporation & PLC" +PLC -wikipedia
] resulted in 601 entries, where Google "omitted some entries very similar to the 601 already displayed". A large majority of these entries is obviously from third parties. Not following the links, but just looking for occurrences of "Carnival Corporation & PLC" in any combination of lower and upper case in the snippets displayed, and discarding those occurrences with "CARNIVAL" in allcaps or "carnival" all in lower case, resulted in:81 entries have "Carnival Corporation & PLC" (14%) 37 entries have "Carnival Corporation & Plc" ( 6%) 482 entries have "Carnival Corporation & plc" (80%)
Iberocruceros needs to be included in the listing in the lead para. 174.112.72.98 ( talk) 04:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
The article on Micky Arison states that he is the current CEO, but this article states that it is Cahill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.18.52 ( talk) 19:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Only the logo of the the parent company (in the infobox) should be used here. All the cruise brand logos fail WP:NFC on the following counts:
N.B. File:P&O Cruises Australia.svg is too simple to pass the threshold of originality and has been determined ineligible for copyright, you can do as you please with it here. All other logos are non-free images. Will Angelgreat, who most recently added them, agree to their removal? – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 03:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm really sorry Finnusertop, I'll Remove the logos. I'm sorry. Please forgive me, and thank you for reading this message.
Thanks, Angelgreat ( talk) 15:26, 8 February 2016 (CST)
The link for P&O goes to P&O Australia. I would correct it, but I am unsure of the format being used and don't want to break it (Newbie).
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I have submitted an uncontroversial technical move request to change it back to "& PLC" as per User:Murgatroyd49's undo. It may not actually be uncontroversial as I just noticed the Requested move section above. I honestly don't care either way as long as the article title and body are consistent. 9 3 ( talk) 19:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Murgatroyd49: In case the move does not go through, I would ask you to start another move request below if you are not convinced by the previous discussion. 9 3 ( talk) 20:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Nomination withdrawn. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Carnival Corporation & plc → Carnival Corporation & PLC – Proper capitalisation as per User:Murgatroyd49's reverting my decapitalisation of the bolded title in the lede. 9 3 ( talk) 19:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi!
Can we have a new section detailing the Pollution and Cover-Up Case reported by the NYT on June 4th?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/business/carnival-cruise-pollution.html
Thank you! Andreas Wuschelweich ( talk) 07:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that people in certain second-tier cities seem to have no civic pride, in terms of the paucity of excellent photos on WP of landmarks around their cities. It's amazing that a photo I took 12 years ago on an entirely overcast day is still in this article because no one in South Florida apparently has the time to drive by Carnival Place with a camera on a sunny morning. For that reason, I no longer upload photos on cloudy days to WP and I shoot photos for WP only on sunny or partially overcast days. -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 06:49, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/shipbuilding-refurb-equipment/carnival-signals-cruise-newbuild-orders-cards-probable-2027-delivery 93.237.123.189 ( talk) 16:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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"Carnival Corporation & plc", is that a UK subsidiary?-- Jerryseinfeld 00:19, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In regards to a statement made in Carnival Corporation & plc by User:Carina22 stating that Carnival Corporation & plc was formerly known as P&O Princess is incorrect! Carnival Corporation was a separate independently operated cruise line owned by Micky Arison and his family for nearly 40 years and P&O Princess was a United Kingdom publicly traded cruise line to which Mr. Arison and his family had absolutely NO affiliation with until the Carnival-P&O Princess merger occurred. So basically after the merger was completed P&O Princess became a subsidary of Carnival and the P&O name was dropped in favor of the Carnival name but the way you wrote it, it made it look like Carnival was always called P&O Princess which as stated before is an incorrect statement to make. User:Misterrick 05:10, 05 July 2005 (UTC).
Again, In accurate statements being made by Carina22. Yes, P&O Princess did become a subsidary under the new dual listed company and again Carnival was never formerly known as P&O Princess, As stated before P&O Princess was a separate company that mergered with Carnival, In fact Carnival was started 40 years before Princess even existed so how can Carnival have been formerly known as P&O Princess when P&O Princess didn't even exist when Carnival was first started by Micky Arison's father? Additionally on the Carnival Corporation & plc website it states, "On April 17, 2003, Carnival Corporation (NYSE: CCL) and P&O Princess Cruises plc (LSE: POC) merged via a dual listed company structure (DLC). Subsequently, P&O Princess Cruises plc has changed its name to Carnival plc." so there is no way that Carnival could ever have been formerly known as P&O Princess. Misterrick 19:52, 12 July 2005 (UTC).
You know Carina22, I'll let you have it because your being such an a--hole, I do know what a dual listed company is but you can't get it through your head what I am trying to tell you and by the way P&O doesn't stand for Princess and Orient, it's Pacific and Orient and P&O didn't found Princess they acquired it in the 60s or 70s so Carnival Cruise Lines is older. Misterrick 21:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I have to disagree with Carina22 on this one as well. This demerger thing is giving me a headache.
From what I understand using my own knowledge:
I don't think Carnival was ever called P&O BEFORE the two companies merged. They had no relations with each other until the merger.
Here is the company history website: [ [1]]
After further research, I found this confusing text from cruisecritic.com about Princess:
And regarding P&O Cruises ...
And Taken from P&O Cruises' website:
In conclusion, I'm totally confused!
Carina22 is more or less spot on here, Carnival Corporation & plc is made up of TWO companies (dual listing) as indicated above. Carnival Corporation, which is the US listed company originally formed by Arison, and Carnival plc, which is the UK listed company formerly known as P&O Princess Cruises plc, which originates from P&O. These two companies are effectively run as one (Carnival Group), operating all the cruise brands in the group.
More specifically, Carnival plc is literally P&O Princess Cruises plc with a new name. When Carnival Corp and P&O Princess plc merged, it was agreed that P&O Princess would remain as a separate company, retaining the predominantly British shareholder body and management team; it was simply re-listed as Carnival plc. Carnival plc is NOT the company founded by Arison, Carnival plc is P&O's old cruise ship business with a new name!
The P&O Princess article goes into more detail about the background of the company, but again Carina22 is correct, P&O Princess plc was created from the old passenger division of P&O (Peninsular & Oriental). Crazy-dancing ( talk) 13:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
you listed historic cunard ships like RMS Queen Elizabeth 1940 and old Carpathia under Carnival Corp. ships. What's that? It's wrong! QE 2 and QM 2 are okay. 10:01, July,29th 2005 DEF
So, how come I can't get to a P&O Cruises (Australia) or a P&O Cruises (UK) page where I would find info on the ships Pacific Sky, Pacific Star, Pacific Sun or Arcadia, Artemis, Aurora, Oceana, Oriana and soon Ventura? Where is all this located? Because when I search for P&O Cruises, I'm basically told it doesn't exist, when it does. -- Eeclwa 21:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that P&O cruises should have it's own page, Carnival may own P&O, but it owns Princess to and they have their own page (incidentally P&O took over Princess before both brands were taken over by Carnival, deepening the injustice!) P&O Cruises has a history of over 100 years that stretches back way before Carnival comes along. Just because we trade as Carnival now (ok, so the cat's out of the bag, I work for P&O, well, Cunard, but that's another rant...) we still trade as P&O in the UK, most people don't know who Carnival are!
I'll agree to the last two comments. Definately something that needs doing one day.
Newda898
21:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Great idea, it was the pain of taking a leap and starting it that seemed so daunting. Ah well, there's a project for the Easter holidays! Newda898 18:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes Carnival did not own Titanic, but threw the purchase of Cunard, it has become part of its history. Please do not just revert back with talking about it. - Ben 02:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there any evidence to support this? It seems to be a very tenuous link. Newda898 15:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
1. Are the figuresin the right handside box in million or billion . because the data in the left side in the paragraph says billion . can someone please verify this.
I've noticed that on numerous articles, someone is going around deleting useful financial data about the companies. Please leave financial data intact as it is indespensible to financial research. In this case, it looks like they selectively removed one company's more extensive and focused financial analysis and replaced it with yahoo's more general information. However, to not get into an editing war as to which external link is more useful to wikipedia viewrs, I'll leave both. 192.114.4.36 ( talk) 08:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is there a mention of Dianne Brimble who died on a P&O cruise in Australia on the Wikipedia entry for Carnival Lines?
I will remove it (18 August 2008 22:13hrs AEST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.215.201 ( talk) 12:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved to Carnival Corporation & plc. Aervanath ( talk) 16:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Carnival Corporation & PLC → Carnival Corporation & plc — The version with lower case "plc" is that used by the company itself, and is also otherwise the far more commonly used version. -- Lambiam 14:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
"Carnival Corporation & PLC" +PLC -wikipedia
] resulted in 601 entries, where Google "omitted some entries very similar to the 601 already displayed". A large majority of these entries is obviously from third parties. Not following the links, but just looking for occurrences of "Carnival Corporation & PLC" in any combination of lower and upper case in the snippets displayed, and discarding those occurrences with "CARNIVAL" in allcaps or "carnival" all in lower case, resulted in:81 entries have "Carnival Corporation & PLC" (14%) 37 entries have "Carnival Corporation & Plc" ( 6%) 482 entries have "Carnival Corporation & plc" (80%)
Iberocruceros needs to be included in the listing in the lead para. 174.112.72.98 ( talk) 04:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
The article on Micky Arison states that he is the current CEO, but this article states that it is Cahill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.18.52 ( talk) 19:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Only the logo of the the parent company (in the infobox) should be used here. All the cruise brand logos fail WP:NFC on the following counts:
N.B. File:P&O Cruises Australia.svg is too simple to pass the threshold of originality and has been determined ineligible for copyright, you can do as you please with it here. All other logos are non-free images. Will Angelgreat, who most recently added them, agree to their removal? – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 03:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm really sorry Finnusertop, I'll Remove the logos. I'm sorry. Please forgive me, and thank you for reading this message.
Thanks, Angelgreat ( talk) 15:26, 8 February 2016 (CST)
The link for P&O goes to P&O Australia. I would correct it, but I am unsure of the format being used and don't want to break it (Newbie).
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I have submitted an uncontroversial technical move request to change it back to "& PLC" as per User:Murgatroyd49's undo. It may not actually be uncontroversial as I just noticed the Requested move section above. I honestly don't care either way as long as the article title and body are consistent. 9 3 ( talk) 19:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Murgatroyd49: In case the move does not go through, I would ask you to start another move request below if you are not convinced by the previous discussion. 9 3 ( talk) 20:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Nomination withdrawn. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Carnival Corporation & plc → Carnival Corporation & PLC – Proper capitalisation as per User:Murgatroyd49's reverting my decapitalisation of the bolded title in the lede. 9 3 ( talk) 19:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi!
Can we have a new section detailing the Pollution and Cover-Up Case reported by the NYT on June 4th?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/business/carnival-cruise-pollution.html
Thank you! Andreas Wuschelweich ( talk) 07:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed that people in certain second-tier cities seem to have no civic pride, in terms of the paucity of excellent photos on WP of landmarks around their cities. It's amazing that a photo I took 12 years ago on an entirely overcast day is still in this article because no one in South Florida apparently has the time to drive by Carnival Place with a camera on a sunny morning. For that reason, I no longer upload photos on cloudy days to WP and I shoot photos for WP only on sunny or partially overcast days. -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 06:49, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/shipbuilding-refurb-equipment/carnival-signals-cruise-newbuild-orders-cards-probable-2027-delivery 93.237.123.189 ( talk) 16:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)