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The birth records prove she was born in 1943. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatsTheTruth00 ( talk • contribs)
Birth records prove she was born in 1943:
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61457&h=4431959
Name: Carly Simon
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1943
Birth Place: Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 21212
She claims 1945, but IMDb and Goodreads list her true age:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0800089/
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/173740.Carly_Simon
Those are not dispositive, but the birth record is.
WhatsTheTruth00 ( talk) 21:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree. 1943 seems as the most reliable date. 1945 can be mentioned in a footnote but so far there os nothing that makes that date as reliable as 1943. DrKilleMoff ( talk) 22:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Since the majority of and the most reliable the sources supports 1943, is there really any need to list "or 1945" as well? DrKilleMoff ( talk) 00:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
The "Covers and tributes" section has moved the article into WP:SYNTH territory, combining references to make a larger conclusion not found in any of the references. The larger conclusion is implied that Simon's songs are widely covered, which is true, but each source only proves one cover, and no source talks about the wider "tribute" idea. The section should be based on WP:SECONDARY source providing a bigger picture of how Simon's songs are popular with musicians.
Especially problematic is the listing of inconsequential and insignificant cover versions such as Mandy Moore's version of "Anticipation", which nobody has ever praised in a publication. Adam Sandler sang "Nobody Does It Better" but the single performance had no lasting effect. All of these should be removed. Binksternet ( talk) 17:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Folks, I just culled a massive number of WP:IMDBREFs out of this article. IMDB is WP:USERG and never to be used as a WP:RS. I also removed two sources that were obvious WP:MIRRORs of our WP:DOY articles. Almost all of the discussion on this page is about editors trying to use lousy sources like IMDB, goodreads, ancestry, etc. Please familiarize yourself with WP:RS guidelines and make sure your sources aren't WP:RSP, WP:MIRRORs, WP:USERG or otherwise low quality. Toddst1 ( talk) 13:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Currently being discussed at BLPN. Afterward, it might be useful to list all reliable sources on the topic if there's still a dispute. -- Hipal ( talk) 22:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61457&h=4431959
The birth records prove she was born in 1943. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatsTheTruth00 ( talk • contribs)
Birth records prove she was born in 1943:
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61457&h=4431959
Name: Carly Simon
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1943
Birth Place: Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 21212
She claims 1945, but IMDb and Goodreads list her true age:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0800089/
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/173740.Carly_Simon
Those are not dispositive, but the birth record is.
WhatsTheTruth00 ( talk) 21:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree. 1943 seems as the most reliable date. 1945 can be mentioned in a footnote but so far there os nothing that makes that date as reliable as 1943. DrKilleMoff ( talk) 22:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Since the majority of and the most reliable the sources supports 1943, is there really any need to list "or 1945" as well? DrKilleMoff ( talk) 00:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
The "Covers and tributes" section has moved the article into WP:SYNTH territory, combining references to make a larger conclusion not found in any of the references. The larger conclusion is implied that Simon's songs are widely covered, which is true, but each source only proves one cover, and no source talks about the wider "tribute" idea. The section should be based on WP:SECONDARY source providing a bigger picture of how Simon's songs are popular with musicians.
Especially problematic is the listing of inconsequential and insignificant cover versions such as Mandy Moore's version of "Anticipation", which nobody has ever praised in a publication. Adam Sandler sang "Nobody Does It Better" but the single performance had no lasting effect. All of these should be removed. Binksternet ( talk) 17:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Folks, I just culled a massive number of WP:IMDBREFs out of this article. IMDB is WP:USERG and never to be used as a WP:RS. I also removed two sources that were obvious WP:MIRRORs of our WP:DOY articles. Almost all of the discussion on this page is about editors trying to use lousy sources like IMDB, goodreads, ancestry, etc. Please familiarize yourself with WP:RS guidelines and make sure your sources aren't WP:RSP, WP:MIRRORs, WP:USERG or otherwise low quality. Toddst1 ( talk) 13:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Currently being discussed at BLPN. Afterward, it might be useful to list all reliable sources on the topic if there's still a dispute. -- Hipal ( talk) 22:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 20:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
For anyone with more experience this in area, does this article pass the B-Class criteria? It appears so to me, but I wanted to reach out before making any changes. Any help or feedback is greatly appreciated! Cryptkeeperfun ( talk) 15:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)