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It's not a bad article but it seems to be written from one person's own point of view. A more enecyclopedic, third person style would hugely improve the article. Mglovesfun 23:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I made some slight changes in the 2007 season section. I basically took out a few useless lines. It said "Oddly enough the Milwaukee Brewers were leading the central rather than the Cubs or the Reds." I just thought that didn't fit since way more sports writers picked the Brewers to win the central than picked the Cubs or Reds. Although many picked the Cardinals too, I think the "oddly enough" and the reference to the Reds and Cubs made the statement sound misinformed. JIJAWM 20:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The main page photo is terrible. Carlos is barely even visible.-- 68.78.47.144 19:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Never mind; someone got rid of it.
This article is freaking huge...it just looks like one fan is just adding every little thing he can...do we REALLY need this all? I mean yeah he's a good pitcher but he's got a bigger article than some hall of famers...it's just weird. And there seems to be a lot of unnecessary stuff. ChopAtwa 01:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Just to explain my edits and the revert: I think it's important to mention his contract status in the lead; the contract was mentioned twice in the 2007 season section, which seemed to be unnecessary duplication; and when my edits were reverted, outdated information was restored ("rumors are he will have an $80 million contract"). Chubbles 18:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Should Z's career batting stats also be included in his infobox? As a prolific hitting pitcher it may be worth a mention. I open the floor... 195.157.226.49 ( talk) 16:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree, he always bats and is often used as a pinch hitter as well. His career stats should be shown. Kevinmon ( talk) 02:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has any free time and enjoys a challenge, convert the text table in Minor League Stats to a Wiki-Table as shown in Major League stats. :) <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Not moved Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Carlos Zambrano (baseball) → Carlos Zambrano — - There was no reason for this page to be moved from its original location. Carlos Zambrano, the pitcher, is by far the most well-known of the two Carlos Zambranos that have articles on en.wiki. This is further evidenced by the fact that Carlos Zambrano redirects to this page, proving that the disambiguator is totally unnecessary. The hatnote at the top of the article page is fully enough to point people in the right direction if they arrive here accidentally. -- KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 12:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
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Carlos Zambrano — Previous attempt did not get proper attention. Page was originally moved by one editor without discussion in the first place, because he had never heard of the Carlos Zambrano the baseball player. A simple search engine test proves how the baseball player is clearly much more known that the 20-year old football/soccer player that hasn't exactly accomplished much in his career as of yet. Also, the football/soccer player's wiki page goes with his full name (middle name included), so there is no need for a separate disambig page.
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One of you cubs fan might wanna clean this up a bit, it mentions that Zambrano's no hitter was on neutral ground twice and really the overall article sounds like a 5th grade school paper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.240.22.33 ( talk) 21:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I replaced the Template:Very long with Template:POV. Whilst it is not necessarily a bad thing that an article may be in depth, I believe the spirit of the previous tag was that the article was written with a non-encyclopedic WP:Tone and contained lots of WP:Trivial mentions. With this in mind, I have tagged some of the numerous peacock terms and weasel words, including "turned in another excellent performance," "poor opening game," "dueled," "outdueled," "blew a big early lead," "did not get much support," "had a meltodown," etc. Some statements need to be quantified, whilst others would need to be removed or vastly re-worded to be consistent with WP:NPOV. Zepppep ( talk) 10:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
As of today, the first sentence of the second paragraph describes Zambrano as a "controversial pitcher". That could mean any of a number of things. Athletes are sometimes described as "controversial" if they have been accused of misdeeds related or unrelated to their sport, and the severity of these has an enormous range. Or sometimes it's not about any objectively bad thing at all; they may just have unusual personal habits, or a tense relationship with the media.
Whatever it is, a cursory scan of the article doesn't explain it. It should either be explained (with good sourcing at the WP:BLP standard), or removed. -- Trovatore ( talk) 06:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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It's not a bad article but it seems to be written from one person's own point of view. A more enecyclopedic, third person style would hugely improve the article. Mglovesfun 23:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I made some slight changes in the 2007 season section. I basically took out a few useless lines. It said "Oddly enough the Milwaukee Brewers were leading the central rather than the Cubs or the Reds." I just thought that didn't fit since way more sports writers picked the Brewers to win the central than picked the Cubs or Reds. Although many picked the Cardinals too, I think the "oddly enough" and the reference to the Reds and Cubs made the statement sound misinformed. JIJAWM 20:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The main page photo is terrible. Carlos is barely even visible.-- 68.78.47.144 19:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Never mind; someone got rid of it.
This article is freaking huge...it just looks like one fan is just adding every little thing he can...do we REALLY need this all? I mean yeah he's a good pitcher but he's got a bigger article than some hall of famers...it's just weird. And there seems to be a lot of unnecessary stuff. ChopAtwa 01:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Just to explain my edits and the revert: I think it's important to mention his contract status in the lead; the contract was mentioned twice in the 2007 season section, which seemed to be unnecessary duplication; and when my edits were reverted, outdated information was restored ("rumors are he will have an $80 million contract"). Chubbles 18:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Should Z's career batting stats also be included in his infobox? As a prolific hitting pitcher it may be worth a mention. I open the floor... 195.157.226.49 ( talk) 16:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I definitely agree, he always bats and is often used as a pinch hitter as well. His career stats should be shown. Kevinmon ( talk) 02:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has any free time and enjoys a challenge, convert the text table in Minor League Stats to a Wiki-Table as shown in Major League stats. :) <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Not moved Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Carlos Zambrano (baseball) → Carlos Zambrano — - There was no reason for this page to be moved from its original location. Carlos Zambrano, the pitcher, is by far the most well-known of the two Carlos Zambranos that have articles on en.wiki. This is further evidenced by the fact that Carlos Zambrano redirects to this page, proving that the disambiguator is totally unnecessary. The hatnote at the top of the article page is fully enough to point people in the right direction if they arrive here accidentally. -- KV5 ( Talk • Phils) 12:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Carlos Zambrano (baseball) →
Carlos Zambrano — Previous attempt did not get proper attention. Page was originally moved by one editor without discussion in the first place, because he had never heard of the Carlos Zambrano the baseball player. A simple search engine test proves how the baseball player is clearly much more known that the 20-year old football/soccer player that hasn't exactly accomplished much in his career as of yet. Also, the football/soccer player's wiki page goes with his full name (middle name included), so there is no need for a separate disambig page.
Blahblah32blahblah (
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One of you cubs fan might wanna clean this up a bit, it mentions that Zambrano's no hitter was on neutral ground twice and really the overall article sounds like a 5th grade school paper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.240.22.33 ( talk) 21:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I replaced the Template:Very long with Template:POV. Whilst it is not necessarily a bad thing that an article may be in depth, I believe the spirit of the previous tag was that the article was written with a non-encyclopedic WP:Tone and contained lots of WP:Trivial mentions. With this in mind, I have tagged some of the numerous peacock terms and weasel words, including "turned in another excellent performance," "poor opening game," "dueled," "outdueled," "blew a big early lead," "did not get much support," "had a meltodown," etc. Some statements need to be quantified, whilst others would need to be removed or vastly re-worded to be consistent with WP:NPOV. Zepppep ( talk) 10:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
As of today, the first sentence of the second paragraph describes Zambrano as a "controversial pitcher". That could mean any of a number of things. Athletes are sometimes described as "controversial" if they have been accused of misdeeds related or unrelated to their sport, and the severity of these has an enormous range. Or sometimes it's not about any objectively bad thing at all; they may just have unusual personal habits, or a tense relationship with the media.
Whatever it is, a cursory scan of the article doesn't explain it. It should either be explained (with good sourcing at the WP:BLP standard), or removed. -- Trovatore ( talk) 06:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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