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"and also got a phD in intituto superior tecnico" -- um, what? this almost sounds like nonsensical vandalism. ima delete it, but maybe someone can come along and make it sound less like gibberish and re-ionsert. barnacle 19:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Why this pronunciation of Ghosn ("Ghosson")? it used to say GOHN. Voice of America pronounciation guide is "G-OWN" (at www.voa.gov). kd
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I got a problem, at the begin it is written he "is a Brazilian businessman", so you think ... ey, he is brazilian ! Well then you learn, "he is a French citizen" ! Problem is that both are wrong. He is [1]. See this french article on it clearly stating he is holding both passport. FYI, French citizen can hold double nationality with only limited countries (which includes brasil). This enable people to keep their roots event when becoming French (lots of Portugese in France do so for instance).
The point is even if he holds double nationality, he is known worldwide for beeing "french" even if his roots are lebanon (cf. the Japan article on this).
Shall we say : "is a French and Brazilian businessman" (which is wrong, as in Business he is never seen as brazilian (at least outside of Brazil or Brazil influence zone). Or "is a French businessman born in Brazil" (Which is better but not 100% perfect). Any better proposition for relecting these facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.57.163 ( talk) 18:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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This phrase :
"Sergio Marcchione, who is CEO of Italy's Fiat, took over the troubled American carmaker Chrysler in June 2009 and is heading the attempted turnaround of Detroit's smallest carmaker."
in Career paragraph has nothing to do with Carlos Ghosn, so I' have checked the source note [46]
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/27/the-detroitbureau-com-on-autoblog-with-paul-eisenstein/
but also there that phrase has nothing to do with Carlos Ghosn.
I'm going to delete it.
Please somone else, could see if note
[46]
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/27/the-detroitbureau-com-on-autoblog-with-paul-eisenstein/
must be deleted also?
Bounty braveheart ( talk) 22:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Normally I am loathe to tag articles (except when they have no citations), but this article has proved very troubling to me -- there are far too many inaccuracies, and nearly every footnote I check (when there actually is one) is either dead or does not substantiate, and when I do further research I find that the dead links were inaccurate to begin with. Consequently the article is filled with errors, even in the sentences that appear to have citations. Also, the organization of the article leaves much to be desired, and does not correspond to WP:MOS. It should be a chronological summary of his life. The sections on "Personality" (or "Public Persona" if you will) and "In Popular Media" should be separate, not combined with the summary of his life. Softlavender ( talk) 20:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I've removed this non-relevant paragraph as it breaks up the career info and I can't quite see its relevance anywhere in the article:
“ | In late 2007, Ghosn unveiled the Nissan GT-R, a twin-turbo V-6 two-door four-seater sports car. [1] [2] [3] [4] It is one of the most affordable supercars worldwide. [5] | ” |
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This Gulfstream IV business-jet appeared on youtube; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUQpHib6Dpg
Might one highlight how this article is biased, or would that reflect on the quality or agenda of the researcher/source? Could it be that Ghosn has more connections to France and Brazil? 126.3.17.188 ( talk) 13:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Any objections to adding the news of French or Brazilian Embassy staff in Tokyo visiting the detention centre? 126.3.49.153 ( talk) 19:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC) No one is racing to claim his person, however, in a VERY rare move, an actual Ambassador has visited rather than Consular Staff, and that man, in this case, was the FRENCH Ambassador. No, it was not reported by Reuters, yet. 126.3.11.147 ( talk) 11:10, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
This fact cannot be co-incidental, can it? A woman killed by a Renault preceded the execution of arrest by a day. It is in lede 126.3.11.147 ( talk) 08:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
There are audio sources of Ghosns physical reaction (「いたい」was uttered) to pain inflicted on his person by Emmanuel Macron, posing for the media at a Renault plant in northern France on the 8th of November just before the Brazilian Formula One Grand Prix. Photographs and video are available from AFP archives and elsewhere( https://www.boursedirect.fr/fr/actualites/categorie/economie/carlos-ghosn-une-etoile-soudain-tombee-au-pays-du-soleil-levant-afp-3ab80d486c6f658f1fb70e8e2af215316206c645), but better sources without potential French conflict-of-interest exist. Ghosn is currently incapacitated, but there are witnesses as well as the abovementioned electromagnetic documentary evidence. Anyone care to make that material available for referencing here on wikipedia? 126.3.24.87 ( talk) 19:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Proposal to include the below bullet-points into the article; Most of the massmedia have pushed up a pedestal for Carlos Ghosn stories, but other mass-media have been more sensible, and no-one goes "straight-to-the-top" in any case, so even if the image changes, it would be more balanced. Cheers.
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"The bail approval was conditional to stringent controls, such as not to travel abroad, but Okinawa, and out US Military bases space [sic]." Please rewrite in 24 hr. or I will delete. Autodidact1 ( talk)
How is it that there is no explanation for more than 8 1/2 years' worth of edits have been rendered invisible with no explanation? It would appear to have something to do with bento boxes, but neither the edit introducing this (the first invisible one, March 2011) nor that removing it late last month give the impression of anything deeply scandalous or libellous. There is edit note reference to a link (to the FT?) within an hour of it first being mentioned, and the edit summary at removal looks like it was dealing with something inappropriate rather than slanderous. A Google search of "Carlos Ghosn bento box" shows nothing that might make a lawyer nervous.
I am not asking for the material to be reintroduced to the article, but for some respect for the scores of wikipedians who have edited it in the meantime: even if you cannot (or will not) make those versions available again, at least some explanation. Kevin McE ( talk) 10:42, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Just pointing out, there are ongoing sustain petty vandalisms on the page preventing calm build up, while relevant content is accidentally removed in the ongoing reverts. Some fishing needed. Yug (talk) 13:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Turkish private jet company says rogue employee helped Carlos Ghosn flee Japan, Source. [1] UniSail2 ( talk) 17:14, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
The article currently describes Ghosn as "fugitive of Lebanese ancestry". Can one run away from one's ancestry‽ -- Lance E Sloan ( talk) 19:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Jorge Ghosn (died 2006 in Rio de Janeiro) who was a diamond trafficker and worked in the airline industry,[57] was convicted of murdering a priest, Paul Massad,[58] near Sawfar, Lebanon on 17 April 1960, hence he was sentenced to death on 9 January 1961, which was later reduced to 15 years in prison, where he served until 1970, due to good conduct time, but he was reinstated in prison four months later for dealing with counterfeit dollars, in which he was sentenced to another 15 years behind bars; however, due to the outbreak of Lebanese Civil War, he managed to leave to Brazil in 1975.
This text was a WP:BLP violation and move here per WP:PRESERVE. [a] Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 18:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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@ Jtbobwaysf: Can you explain your removal of the sourced info related to Jorge Ghosn? If not, I would like to retrieve my edits. UniSail2 ( talk) 22:15, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
His full name is Carlos Ghosn Bichara as per Interpol. Dianakc ( talk) 22:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
This entire section is incoherent. Whoever wrote this section either did not proofread it or is not fluent in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:26e0:3e30:554a:bf1:dc0f:5acd ( talk) 03:40, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
The section on his career, which spans from 1978 to 2018, is far shorter than the section on his arrest & flight (2018-2022). This is one element of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, where Wikipedia editors are sadly just as prone to emphasizing sensationslism as anyone else, and are less likely to take the time to add information from books and non- FUTON sources about more boring details like his (extensively-covered) career.
I think a split is clearly indicated at this point, to avoid placing such extreme emphasis on just four years of his life. Thoughts? DFlhb ( talk) 23:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Given that this discussion has gone nowhere, I have removed the tag. If people want to bring the discussion to a conclusion, they are free to do so. John Smith's ( talk) 15:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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"and also got a phD in intituto superior tecnico" -- um, what? this almost sounds like nonsensical vandalism. ima delete it, but maybe someone can come along and make it sound less like gibberish and re-ionsert. barnacle 19:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Why this pronunciation of Ghosn ("Ghosson")? it used to say GOHN. Voice of America pronounciation guide is "G-OWN" (at www.voa.gov). kd
---
I got a problem, at the begin it is written he "is a Brazilian businessman", so you think ... ey, he is brazilian ! Well then you learn, "he is a French citizen" ! Problem is that both are wrong. He is [1]. See this french article on it clearly stating he is holding both passport. FYI, French citizen can hold double nationality with only limited countries (which includes brasil). This enable people to keep their roots event when becoming French (lots of Portugese in France do so for instance).
The point is even if he holds double nationality, he is known worldwide for beeing "french" even if his roots are lebanon (cf. the Japan article on this).
Shall we say : "is a French and Brazilian businessman" (which is wrong, as in Business he is never seen as brazilian (at least outside of Brazil or Brazil influence zone). Or "is a French businessman born in Brazil" (Which is better but not 100% perfect). Any better proposition for relecting these facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.57.163 ( talk) 18:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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This phrase :
"Sergio Marcchione, who is CEO of Italy's Fiat, took over the troubled American carmaker Chrysler in June 2009 and is heading the attempted turnaround of Detroit's smallest carmaker."
in Career paragraph has nothing to do with Carlos Ghosn, so I' have checked the source note [46]
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/27/the-detroitbureau-com-on-autoblog-with-paul-eisenstein/
but also there that phrase has nothing to do with Carlos Ghosn.
I'm going to delete it.
Please somone else, could see if note
[46]
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/27/the-detroitbureau-com-on-autoblog-with-paul-eisenstein/
must be deleted also?
Bounty braveheart ( talk) 22:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Normally I am loathe to tag articles (except when they have no citations), but this article has proved very troubling to me -- there are far too many inaccuracies, and nearly every footnote I check (when there actually is one) is either dead or does not substantiate, and when I do further research I find that the dead links were inaccurate to begin with. Consequently the article is filled with errors, even in the sentences that appear to have citations. Also, the organization of the article leaves much to be desired, and does not correspond to WP:MOS. It should be a chronological summary of his life. The sections on "Personality" (or "Public Persona" if you will) and "In Popular Media" should be separate, not combined with the summary of his life. Softlavender ( talk) 20:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I've removed this non-relevant paragraph as it breaks up the career info and I can't quite see its relevance anywhere in the article:
“ | In late 2007, Ghosn unveiled the Nissan GT-R, a twin-turbo V-6 two-door four-seater sports car. [1] [2] [3] [4] It is one of the most affordable supercars worldwide. [5] | ” |
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This Gulfstream IV business-jet appeared on youtube; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUQpHib6Dpg
Might one highlight how this article is biased, or would that reflect on the quality or agenda of the researcher/source? Could it be that Ghosn has more connections to France and Brazil? 126.3.17.188 ( talk) 13:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Any objections to adding the news of French or Brazilian Embassy staff in Tokyo visiting the detention centre? 126.3.49.153 ( talk) 19:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC) No one is racing to claim his person, however, in a VERY rare move, an actual Ambassador has visited rather than Consular Staff, and that man, in this case, was the FRENCH Ambassador. No, it was not reported by Reuters, yet. 126.3.11.147 ( talk) 11:10, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
This fact cannot be co-incidental, can it? A woman killed by a Renault preceded the execution of arrest by a day. It is in lede 126.3.11.147 ( talk) 08:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
There are audio sources of Ghosns physical reaction (「いたい」was uttered) to pain inflicted on his person by Emmanuel Macron, posing for the media at a Renault plant in northern France on the 8th of November just before the Brazilian Formula One Grand Prix. Photographs and video are available from AFP archives and elsewhere( https://www.boursedirect.fr/fr/actualites/categorie/economie/carlos-ghosn-une-etoile-soudain-tombee-au-pays-du-soleil-levant-afp-3ab80d486c6f658f1fb70e8e2af215316206c645), but better sources without potential French conflict-of-interest exist. Ghosn is currently incapacitated, but there are witnesses as well as the abovementioned electromagnetic documentary evidence. Anyone care to make that material available for referencing here on wikipedia? 126.3.24.87 ( talk) 19:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Proposal to include the below bullet-points into the article; Most of the massmedia have pushed up a pedestal for Carlos Ghosn stories, but other mass-media have been more sensible, and no-one goes "straight-to-the-top" in any case, so even if the image changes, it would be more balanced. Cheers.
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"The bail approval was conditional to stringent controls, such as not to travel abroad, but Okinawa, and out US Military bases space [sic]." Please rewrite in 24 hr. or I will delete. Autodidact1 ( talk)
How is it that there is no explanation for more than 8 1/2 years' worth of edits have been rendered invisible with no explanation? It would appear to have something to do with bento boxes, but neither the edit introducing this (the first invisible one, March 2011) nor that removing it late last month give the impression of anything deeply scandalous or libellous. There is edit note reference to a link (to the FT?) within an hour of it first being mentioned, and the edit summary at removal looks like it was dealing with something inappropriate rather than slanderous. A Google search of "Carlos Ghosn bento box" shows nothing that might make a lawyer nervous.
I am not asking for the material to be reintroduced to the article, but for some respect for the scores of wikipedians who have edited it in the meantime: even if you cannot (or will not) make those versions available again, at least some explanation. Kevin McE ( talk) 10:42, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Just pointing out, there are ongoing sustain petty vandalisms on the page preventing calm build up, while relevant content is accidentally removed in the ongoing reverts. Some fishing needed. Yug (talk) 13:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Turkish private jet company says rogue employee helped Carlos Ghosn flee Japan, Source. [1] UniSail2 ( talk) 17:14, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
The article currently describes Ghosn as "fugitive of Lebanese ancestry". Can one run away from one's ancestry‽ -- Lance E Sloan ( talk) 19:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Jorge Ghosn (died 2006 in Rio de Janeiro) who was a diamond trafficker and worked in the airline industry,[57] was convicted of murdering a priest, Paul Massad,[58] near Sawfar, Lebanon on 17 April 1960, hence he was sentenced to death on 9 January 1961, which was later reduced to 15 years in prison, where he served until 1970, due to good conduct time, but he was reinstated in prison four months later for dealing with counterfeit dollars, in which he was sentenced to another 15 years behind bars; however, due to the outbreak of Lebanese Civil War, he managed to leave to Brazil in 1975.
This text was a WP:BLP violation and move here per WP:PRESERVE. [a] Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 18:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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@ Jtbobwaysf: Can you explain your removal of the sourced info related to Jorge Ghosn? If not, I would like to retrieve my edits. UniSail2 ( talk) 22:15, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
His full name is Carlos Ghosn Bichara as per Interpol. Dianakc ( talk) 22:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
This entire section is incoherent. Whoever wrote this section either did not proofread it or is not fluent in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:26e0:3e30:554a:bf1:dc0f:5acd ( talk) 03:40, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
The section on his career, which spans from 1978 to 2018, is far shorter than the section on his arrest & flight (2018-2022). This is one element of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, where Wikipedia editors are sadly just as prone to emphasizing sensationslism as anyone else, and are less likely to take the time to add information from books and non- FUTON sources about more boring details like his (extensively-covered) career.
I think a split is clearly indicated at this point, to avoid placing such extreme emphasis on just four years of his life. Thoughts? DFlhb ( talk) 23:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Given that this discussion has gone nowhere, I have removed the tag. If people want to bring the discussion to a conclusion, they are free to do so. John Smith's ( talk) 15:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)