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Should the blog Gardel En Fotos be used in the Carlos Gardel article? It has been inserted to support the statement that Gardel's birth is still controversial. Binksternet ( talk) 21:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
User:Zorzaluruguay has been adding text and images taken from a blog. The three images are shown here on the right. The purpose is to increase the focus on the notional Uruguayan birth of Gardel rather than the more reliably sourced French birth. I have repeatedly removed these changes per WP:RS and WP:NOR. Just today I removed all the blogs, no matter what they said, pro or con.
So what sources do we have? It turns out there have been some good books and scholarly articles written. The first source that is currently used in the article is from UNESCO's Courier, a peer-reviewed scholarly journal. Luis Bocaz says that the evidence is stronger for Toulouse, France, as Gardel's birthplace.
Other sources:
Well done and agree. The sources need to to
reliable and
verifiable.
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Sources continued:
Various books quote Gardel speaking about his nationality, and he is all over the map. He says one thing to one audience and another thing to another audience. He is cagey: he says his nationality is "the Tango", or that he is Rioplatense (from the great Plate River delta region including Buenos Aires and Montevideo.) He says he was born in Toulouse, he says he was born in Tacuarembó, he says he is Argentine. Certainly, we are able to note these quotes but we cannot use any of them for leverage to decide the matter of birthplace. Binksternet ( talk) 05:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear Binksternet,
Gardel never said he was born in France. He was never quoted by any newspaper as saying so. He was quoted many times stating that he was born in Tacuarembo. Why? I don't know and don't care. If there's any subtatiated evidence that he was born Charles Gardes in Toulousse, and by the way not the one born in South America in the mid 1870's nor the one who died at 28 during WWI, then let some one provide it.
I do not ask for one theory to be placed over the other, just to allow them growing space. I would honestly like to see intelligent discussion on this point, unfortunately all documentation put through that he was born in Uruguay is dismissed has forged by Mr. Gardel and left at that, Bocaz's own argument is a one liner stating that he was born in France based on documentation (unvalidated evidence). I would like to know what these assertions are based on, the only documentation put through has been hearsay and some books that reference each other. If they are satisfied with work of that quality then thats fine by me and I personally would not want to contest it.
I know wikipedia is not the place were this issue is going to be resolved, so what I ask for is this, let the people who believe he was indeed born in France to say so, and let the people who believe otherwise to do so. Provided all can state the documentation, but please keep in mind that all the documentation thats showned as valid all back, subjectively, one side of the story.
kind regards, -- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 13:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Binksternet, i do not agree that providing documented proof of Mr. Gardel's POB creates an artificial neutral environment. The not acceptance of these documents clearly shows an undisguised bias towards those who shout the loudest. When my first edits were questioned, they were removed and I was asked to include citations following wikipedia's guidelines. I've include citations that not only strictly followed these guidelines but also allowed the best possible definition of source and context. The piece of work, the creator and the publisher all are governments (Argentina and France). The context of the citations can't be questioned as they are simple governmental documents that testify to the identity of an individual. Additionally, these documents are the foundation of Mr. Gardel's argentine naturalization. If these documents are contested, then proof should at least be presented.
Regarding proportionallity, I won't argue there, I will comply and begin compiling all work related to Gardel during his lifetime. These include official documents, articles written about him and interviews published in several newspapers of note (from several continents). These outnumber by a wide margin the few books regarding the second theory.
-- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 16:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
It is not the mainstream of scholars that believe he was born in Toulouse, it is the mainstream of scholars that you are allowing to be referenced. What you are doing constitutes censorship.
-- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 12:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I have proven my point, I'll clarify in case you missed it. I really do not care where the man was born. I know that there are two theories, and wanted to show the documentation that backs them. -- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 21:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
The mystery has been solved: Gardel was French. -- 190.19.96.181 ( talk) 14:28, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
December 2013
Can anyone prove that a child born in Tolouse with a name similar ( but not the same) to another child born in Tacuarembo three years earlier, are in fact the same child? or can we also start pulling birth certificates of other children born around the same time with similar names and claim that they are in fact the same Carlos Gardel that has several documents stating his birth place as Tacuarembo, same documents that contain his fingerprints and picture. Why would the French be proud of a person that was a fraudster that did not want to fight for his supposed country? I rather would keep Gardel in history as an honest Uruguayan than a coward, fraudster French. Wouldn't you? He is too big for any of us to be treated with such a disrespect. Gabriel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.9.43.128 ( talk) 22:35, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
The article says "for unknown reasons he laid a false trail about his birthplace beginning in 1920 when he was almost 30" and "there is no agreement regarding why he took these steps" (i.e. saying that he was born in Tacuarembó). I think it is worth the mention that the opinion of the majority of the scholars is that he did that to avoid being forced to join the military for France, in WWI. The latest book, which confirms his French nationality (link in section "Birth certificate" right up this section), acknowledges this. -- Nazroon ( talk) 15:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure where to place this as reference. It is an article of El Pais, after the birth certificate issue, which argues for the Uruguayan position. http://www.elpais.com.uy/121021/pespec-670872/espectaculos/-nos-contaron-algo-que-no-tiene-nada-que-ver-con-gardel-/ Cheers, Hoverfish Talk 10:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Is "Origin" necessary in the Info Box? Is this a legitimated category? Is this a common category? Tapered ( talk) 00:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I know about the controversy about Gardel's nationality. At least include the fact that there is a Carlos Gardel´s Museum in Uruguay with documents, including his birth certificate that proves that he was born in Uruguay. Does it make any sense?
http://www.tacuarembodigital.com.uy/gardeliana_museo.html Tacuarembo Digital.com.uy You can see the photographs of the documents that proves his Uruguayan origin.
I know many people have visited the museum and seen the documents. Do you want me to upload a photograph of his birth certificate in commons?
User:Roxyuru —Preceding undated comment added 03:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
In Ernesto Mallo's crime novel Needle in a Haystack, set in the 1970s, the protagonist, when asked if someone is dead, replies "As dead as Gardel". Is this a frase hecha in Argentine Spanish, or is just a bit of noirism? Diomedea Exulans ( talk) 08:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
The DNI of Carlos Gardel in Argentina said that Gardel was Born in Tacuarembó in December 11 of 1887, and have his fingerprint, this is the articule that Martina Iguñez from Argentina show the DNI http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/polemica-exhiben-cedula-carlos-gardel.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santiis2010 ( talk • contribs) 14:13, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm Roblespepe, founder of the Tango Project at the Wikipedia in Spanish, and one of the main editors of Carlos Gardel page in the Wikipedia in Spanish. I saw that Gardel's page at the Wikipedia in English says that was born in Uruguay. This statment is wrong, because that fact is discused between tango researchers. Some of them sustain that Gardel was born in Uruguay between 1883 and 1887, and some of them sustain that Gardel was born in France in 1890. The former theory is called "teoría uruguayista" (Uruguayist Theory), and the later is called "teoría francesista" (Francesist Theory).
"Francesist Theory" is the traditional theory. Researchers who sustain this theory are: Francisco García Jiménez-José Razzano, Simon Collier, Julián & Osvaldo Barsky, Augusto Fernández, Carlos Esteban, Monique Ruffié, Georges Galopa, Christiane Bricheteau, Raúl Torre, Juan Fenoglio, Enrique Espina Rawson, Norberto Regueira, etc.
"Uruguayist Theory" appeared in 1967. Researchers who sustain this theory are: Erasmo Silva Cabrera (Avlis), Blas Matamoro, Nelson Bayardo, Eduardo Payssé González, Martina Iñíguez.
So I think this article must say that there are two theories, following the neutral point of view principle.-- Roblespepe ( talk) 15:09, 23 October 2015 (UTC).
The article already covers the birthplace controversy in detail and has an ENTIRE SECTION dedicated to that. The UNESCO report was very well researched and is reliable. To add or to alter the existing article takes sources of equal or greater credibility and should be noted with the changes. In addition, your latest changes deleted uncontroversial information like the his death date from the info box, and the fact that he later obtained Argentine citizenship. I've reverted the article back to where it was and we can all review the information here. MartinezMD ( talk) 15:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Martínez, as Wikipedians it's not our role to be jugdges of the discussions between tango researchers, and Wikipedia isn't the place to discuss seriously this toppic. The fact is that there are two points of view, both of them with several researchers and publications, and that the tango academic community is divided. So the Wikipedia article must say that, in these aspects (birthday year, birth place and birth name) there are two points of view. In other hand Wikipedia can't support one of them, or say -as you suggest- that the Uruguayan theory has "very poor documentation supporting". That's completley out of our role here. Kind regards. -- Roblespepe ( talk) 20:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hola buenas tardes le pido porfavor que quité que Gardel es argentino nonlo es es uruguayo y ay pruebas de su nacimiento en Uruguay. Lucio259 ( talk) 19:50, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Perdón el autocorrector lo que decir es que Gardel es uruguayo no Argentino* Lucio259 ( talk) 19:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Porfavor quien que es Aventino no Lo es Lucio259 ( talk) 19:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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This dispute is originating from the DRN (Case Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Carlos_Gardel) which has been closed due to the opening case editor being non-responsive. There is a controversy on the date and place of birth. Thanks! Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 23:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC) DRN Volunteer
The account of Gardel's death mentions several others who were on the plane with him. There is, however, no mention of the other plane and the deaths that occurred there. A total of seventeen persons died, including Lester W. Strauss, an American mining engineer on that other plane. <The New York Times, June 25, 1935, p. 1> The indifference of the account of Gardel's death to those on the other plane whose lives were also lost is unfortunate and warrants correction by persons able to add some account of them. [Lester W. Strauss, I should say, was my grandfather; my father Simon D. Strauss learned of his death in the Times, reading it on Broadway; it is not that he, specially, warrants mention, but attention to the deaths on only one plane, as it no others were worthy of mention, is unfortunate] Plsathome ( talk) 13:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't believe that mention of other deaths should be based only on "notability." People who are not "celebrities" deserve respect in death also. The accident is notable, and everybody whose identity is known should be mentioned. Presumably this is not a gossip column, it is an encyclopedia, so it's entries should be "encyclopedic." That is, all known information on a topic should be included.
On a related topic, do we know that both aircraft were Ford Tri-motors? I seem to recall reading that Gardel's plane was a Fokker tri-motor, and that the other plane was another type of aircraft. Also, weren't the pilots of Gardel's plane American? These are interesting details which should be researched and included if true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.27.92 ( talk) 05:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Most likely, Gardel was born in Tacuarembó (Uruguay). The controversy surrounding his birth place can be found here: https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Gardel#Controversias_sobre_su_lugar_de_nacimiento 104.138.184.82 ( talk) 18:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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Carlos Gardel was actually born in Tacuarembó Uruguay. It was proven by finding his birth certificate which said he was born in Uruguay. 2800:A4:16FD:E800:78B9:75FC:9FA2:5588 ( talk) 23:08, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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Carlos gardel was born in tacuarembò uruguay and we have documents to prove it ! This wikipedia is false , you should say the truth and this is not. 2A00:23EE:1430:607E:A05A:1583:18F0:3459 ( talk) 18:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
have documents to prove it, then please provide them. Peaceray ( talk) 19:36, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
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Change Carlos Gardel was a french born argentine singer to Carlos Gardel was a Uruguayan singer as stated by multiple books with supporting evidence such as Gardel es uruguayo bayardo. 2800:AC:4023:A6F:8131:A895:6881:30FA ( talk) 18:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
This article is biased, because the question about the birthplace of Carlos Gardel is not solved yet, in my opinion. Scheridon ( talk) 16:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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Some sources call him a tenor, many call him a baritone, and one or two sources describe him as a combination, commenting on his wide range.
I don't think we can fairly represent Gardel by just saying "tenor". Binksternet ( talk) 13:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Should the blog Gardel En Fotos be used in the Carlos Gardel article? It has been inserted to support the statement that Gardel's birth is still controversial. Binksternet ( talk) 21:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
User:Zorzaluruguay has been adding text and images taken from a blog. The three images are shown here on the right. The purpose is to increase the focus on the notional Uruguayan birth of Gardel rather than the more reliably sourced French birth. I have repeatedly removed these changes per WP:RS and WP:NOR. Just today I removed all the blogs, no matter what they said, pro or con.
So what sources do we have? It turns out there have been some good books and scholarly articles written. The first source that is currently used in the article is from UNESCO's Courier, a peer-reviewed scholarly journal. Luis Bocaz says that the evidence is stronger for Toulouse, France, as Gardel's birthplace.
Other sources:
Well done and agree. The sources need to to
reliable and
verifiable.
MartinezMD (
talk)
02:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Sources continued:
Various books quote Gardel speaking about his nationality, and he is all over the map. He says one thing to one audience and another thing to another audience. He is cagey: he says his nationality is "the Tango", or that he is Rioplatense (from the great Plate River delta region including Buenos Aires and Montevideo.) He says he was born in Toulouse, he says he was born in Tacuarembó, he says he is Argentine. Certainly, we are able to note these quotes but we cannot use any of them for leverage to decide the matter of birthplace. Binksternet ( talk) 05:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear Binksternet,
Gardel never said he was born in France. He was never quoted by any newspaper as saying so. He was quoted many times stating that he was born in Tacuarembo. Why? I don't know and don't care. If there's any subtatiated evidence that he was born Charles Gardes in Toulousse, and by the way not the one born in South America in the mid 1870's nor the one who died at 28 during WWI, then let some one provide it.
I do not ask for one theory to be placed over the other, just to allow them growing space. I would honestly like to see intelligent discussion on this point, unfortunately all documentation put through that he was born in Uruguay is dismissed has forged by Mr. Gardel and left at that, Bocaz's own argument is a one liner stating that he was born in France based on documentation (unvalidated evidence). I would like to know what these assertions are based on, the only documentation put through has been hearsay and some books that reference each other. If they are satisfied with work of that quality then thats fine by me and I personally would not want to contest it.
I know wikipedia is not the place were this issue is going to be resolved, so what I ask for is this, let the people who believe he was indeed born in France to say so, and let the people who believe otherwise to do so. Provided all can state the documentation, but please keep in mind that all the documentation thats showned as valid all back, subjectively, one side of the story.
kind regards, -- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 13:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Binksternet, i do not agree that providing documented proof of Mr. Gardel's POB creates an artificial neutral environment. The not acceptance of these documents clearly shows an undisguised bias towards those who shout the loudest. When my first edits were questioned, they were removed and I was asked to include citations following wikipedia's guidelines. I've include citations that not only strictly followed these guidelines but also allowed the best possible definition of source and context. The piece of work, the creator and the publisher all are governments (Argentina and France). The context of the citations can't be questioned as they are simple governmental documents that testify to the identity of an individual. Additionally, these documents are the foundation of Mr. Gardel's argentine naturalization. If these documents are contested, then proof should at least be presented.
Regarding proportionallity, I won't argue there, I will comply and begin compiling all work related to Gardel during his lifetime. These include official documents, articles written about him and interviews published in several newspapers of note (from several continents). These outnumber by a wide margin the few books regarding the second theory.
-- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 16:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
It is not the mainstream of scholars that believe he was born in Toulouse, it is the mainstream of scholars that you are allowing to be referenced. What you are doing constitutes censorship.
-- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 12:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I have proven my point, I'll clarify in case you missed it. I really do not care where the man was born. I know that there are two theories, and wanted to show the documentation that backs them. -- Zorzaluruguay ( talk) 21:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
The mystery has been solved: Gardel was French. -- 190.19.96.181 ( talk) 14:28, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
December 2013
Can anyone prove that a child born in Tolouse with a name similar ( but not the same) to another child born in Tacuarembo three years earlier, are in fact the same child? or can we also start pulling birth certificates of other children born around the same time with similar names and claim that they are in fact the same Carlos Gardel that has several documents stating his birth place as Tacuarembo, same documents that contain his fingerprints and picture. Why would the French be proud of a person that was a fraudster that did not want to fight for his supposed country? I rather would keep Gardel in history as an honest Uruguayan than a coward, fraudster French. Wouldn't you? He is too big for any of us to be treated with such a disrespect. Gabriel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.9.43.128 ( talk) 22:35, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
The article says "for unknown reasons he laid a false trail about his birthplace beginning in 1920 when he was almost 30" and "there is no agreement regarding why he took these steps" (i.e. saying that he was born in Tacuarembó). I think it is worth the mention that the opinion of the majority of the scholars is that he did that to avoid being forced to join the military for France, in WWI. The latest book, which confirms his French nationality (link in section "Birth certificate" right up this section), acknowledges this. -- Nazroon ( talk) 15:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure where to place this as reference. It is an article of El Pais, after the birth certificate issue, which argues for the Uruguayan position. http://www.elpais.com.uy/121021/pespec-670872/espectaculos/-nos-contaron-algo-que-no-tiene-nada-que-ver-con-gardel-/ Cheers, Hoverfish Talk 10:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Is "Origin" necessary in the Info Box? Is this a legitimated category? Is this a common category? Tapered ( talk) 00:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I know about the controversy about Gardel's nationality. At least include the fact that there is a Carlos Gardel´s Museum in Uruguay with documents, including his birth certificate that proves that he was born in Uruguay. Does it make any sense?
http://www.tacuarembodigital.com.uy/gardeliana_museo.html Tacuarembo Digital.com.uy You can see the photographs of the documents that proves his Uruguayan origin.
I know many people have visited the museum and seen the documents. Do you want me to upload a photograph of his birth certificate in commons?
User:Roxyuru —Preceding undated comment added 03:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
In Ernesto Mallo's crime novel Needle in a Haystack, set in the 1970s, the protagonist, when asked if someone is dead, replies "As dead as Gardel". Is this a frase hecha in Argentine Spanish, or is just a bit of noirism? Diomedea Exulans ( talk) 08:44, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
The DNI of Carlos Gardel in Argentina said that Gardel was Born in Tacuarembó in December 11 of 1887, and have his fingerprint, this is the articule that Martina Iguñez from Argentina show the DNI http://www.elpais.com.uy/informacion/polemica-exhiben-cedula-carlos-gardel.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santiis2010 ( talk • contribs) 14:13, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm Roblespepe, founder of the Tango Project at the Wikipedia in Spanish, and one of the main editors of Carlos Gardel page in the Wikipedia in Spanish. I saw that Gardel's page at the Wikipedia in English says that was born in Uruguay. This statment is wrong, because that fact is discused between tango researchers. Some of them sustain that Gardel was born in Uruguay between 1883 and 1887, and some of them sustain that Gardel was born in France in 1890. The former theory is called "teoría uruguayista" (Uruguayist Theory), and the later is called "teoría francesista" (Francesist Theory).
"Francesist Theory" is the traditional theory. Researchers who sustain this theory are: Francisco García Jiménez-José Razzano, Simon Collier, Julián & Osvaldo Barsky, Augusto Fernández, Carlos Esteban, Monique Ruffié, Georges Galopa, Christiane Bricheteau, Raúl Torre, Juan Fenoglio, Enrique Espina Rawson, Norberto Regueira, etc.
"Uruguayist Theory" appeared in 1967. Researchers who sustain this theory are: Erasmo Silva Cabrera (Avlis), Blas Matamoro, Nelson Bayardo, Eduardo Payssé González, Martina Iñíguez.
So I think this article must say that there are two theories, following the neutral point of view principle.-- Roblespepe ( talk) 15:09, 23 October 2015 (UTC).
The article already covers the birthplace controversy in detail and has an ENTIRE SECTION dedicated to that. The UNESCO report was very well researched and is reliable. To add or to alter the existing article takes sources of equal or greater credibility and should be noted with the changes. In addition, your latest changes deleted uncontroversial information like the his death date from the info box, and the fact that he later obtained Argentine citizenship. I've reverted the article back to where it was and we can all review the information here. MartinezMD ( talk) 15:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Martínez, as Wikipedians it's not our role to be jugdges of the discussions between tango researchers, and Wikipedia isn't the place to discuss seriously this toppic. The fact is that there are two points of view, both of them with several researchers and publications, and that the tango academic community is divided. So the Wikipedia article must say that, in these aspects (birthday year, birth place and birth name) there are two points of view. In other hand Wikipedia can't support one of them, or say -as you suggest- that the Uruguayan theory has "very poor documentation supporting". That's completley out of our role here. Kind regards. -- Roblespepe ( talk) 20:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hola buenas tardes le pido porfavor que quité que Gardel es argentino nonlo es es uruguayo y ay pruebas de su nacimiento en Uruguay. Lucio259 ( talk) 19:50, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Perdón el autocorrector lo que decir es que Gardel es uruguayo no Argentino* Lucio259 ( talk) 19:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Porfavor quien que es Aventino no Lo es Lucio259 ( talk) 19:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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This dispute is originating from the DRN (Case Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Carlos_Gardel) which has been closed due to the opening case editor being non-responsive. There is a controversy on the date and place of birth. Thanks! Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 23:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC) DRN Volunteer
The account of Gardel's death mentions several others who were on the plane with him. There is, however, no mention of the other plane and the deaths that occurred there. A total of seventeen persons died, including Lester W. Strauss, an American mining engineer on that other plane. <The New York Times, June 25, 1935, p. 1> The indifference of the account of Gardel's death to those on the other plane whose lives were also lost is unfortunate and warrants correction by persons able to add some account of them. [Lester W. Strauss, I should say, was my grandfather; my father Simon D. Strauss learned of his death in the Times, reading it on Broadway; it is not that he, specially, warrants mention, but attention to the deaths on only one plane, as it no others were worthy of mention, is unfortunate] Plsathome ( talk) 13:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't believe that mention of other deaths should be based only on "notability." People who are not "celebrities" deserve respect in death also. The accident is notable, and everybody whose identity is known should be mentioned. Presumably this is not a gossip column, it is an encyclopedia, so it's entries should be "encyclopedic." That is, all known information on a topic should be included.
On a related topic, do we know that both aircraft were Ford Tri-motors? I seem to recall reading that Gardel's plane was a Fokker tri-motor, and that the other plane was another type of aircraft. Also, weren't the pilots of Gardel's plane American? These are interesting details which should be researched and included if true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.27.92 ( talk) 05:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Most likely, Gardel was born in Tacuarembó (Uruguay). The controversy surrounding his birth place can be found here: https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Gardel#Controversias_sobre_su_lugar_de_nacimiento 104.138.184.82 ( talk) 18:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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Carlos Gardel was actually born in Tacuarembó Uruguay. It was proven by finding his birth certificate which said he was born in Uruguay. 2800:A4:16FD:E800:78B9:75FC:9FA2:5588 ( talk) 23:08, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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Carlos gardel was born in tacuarembò uruguay and we have documents to prove it ! This wikipedia is false , you should say the truth and this is not. 2A00:23EE:1430:607E:A05A:1583:18F0:3459 ( talk) 18:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
have documents to prove it, then please provide them. Peaceray ( talk) 19:36, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
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Change Carlos Gardel was a french born argentine singer to Carlos Gardel was a Uruguayan singer as stated by multiple books with supporting evidence such as Gardel es uruguayo bayardo. 2800:AC:4023:A6F:8131:A895:6881:30FA ( talk) 18:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
This article is biased, because the question about the birthplace of Carlos Gardel is not solved yet, in my opinion. Scheridon ( talk) 16:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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Some sources call him a tenor, many call him a baritone, and one or two sources describe him as a combination, commenting on his wide range.
I don't think we can fairly represent Gardel by just saying "tenor". Binksternet ( talk) 13:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)