![]() | Carlos Duarte Costa was a Philosophy and religion good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||
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How does anyone know anything about Costa? What does the Catholic Church say about him, what are their sources, what does Brazilian history say about him. This article provides no real sources on the substance of his life other than web articles which are official sources of his church/sect. What if someone posted an article about Pius XII and used only Vatican sources. The whole article needs to be revised by someone not associated with Costa or his church.
This post reads like an article on Carlos Duarte Costa apologetics. All sources on substantive material is from his church. This article is of questionable neutrality. Can the editors provide other sources of information on Costa and any dissenting opinions?
Does anybody know if the Catholic Apostolic Church of Brazil has any formal ties here in the United States?
The Worldwide Communion of Catholic and Apostolic Churches (WCCAC) is the only US represantitve of the Dom Carlos's Igreja Catolica Apostolica Brasiliera. Anyone else who may lay claim to this, doesn't simply have any ties (anymore) to ICAB.
CACINA is only one descendant of ICAB and the second one at that. It was founded by +Joachim-Ladd who left the first US mission of ICAB, the Western Orthodox Church in America, after many years of disagreement with +Luther of the Servants of the Good Shepherd (SGS). It did at one time enjoy the Patriarch's Apostolic blessing, however this ceased in all forms after CACINA changed it's policy regarding the ordination of women to Holy Orders. It has no official dealings with the Brazilian Church at this time, as confirmed by the Patriarch's Apostolic Delegate to the United States, Bp. Andre Queen of Chicago. The only church in America who is officially listed in communion with ICAB (by ICAB) and who enjoys membership in the International Communion of Catholic Apostolic National Churches, is The Catholic Apostolic National Church(USA) [ [1]] . (Scroll down that page to see pictures of The Third International Bishop’s Council of the National Apostolic Catholic Churches (ICAN), In Brasilia, Brazil, July 11 – 16, 2005). Pax! Dcn. Steve ( Slohrenz 14:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC))
This article should not have been brought up for review given the already mentioned criticisms above about the non-reliable non-third party reference for the bulk of this article. The man's own Church is not a valid source! An article built up in such a manner cannot be trusted to not be POV via exclusion of conflicting details and/or facts. The article does have third-party sources so it doesn't quick fail - but those sources are (collectively) cited only half the number of times the ICAN site is cited! Moreover, they are used to cite material not strictly involving Costa (we know about Ratlines and the founding of his Church and its spread is public record). Also, why didn't this talk page have a GA nomination tag? Also, self nominations are not encouraged. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability as well. -- Meowist 03:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
![]() | Carlos Duarte Costa was a Philosophy and religion good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||
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![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
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How does anyone know anything about Costa? What does the Catholic Church say about him, what are their sources, what does Brazilian history say about him. This article provides no real sources on the substance of his life other than web articles which are official sources of his church/sect. What if someone posted an article about Pius XII and used only Vatican sources. The whole article needs to be revised by someone not associated with Costa or his church.
This post reads like an article on Carlos Duarte Costa apologetics. All sources on substantive material is from his church. This article is of questionable neutrality. Can the editors provide other sources of information on Costa and any dissenting opinions?
Does anybody know if the Catholic Apostolic Church of Brazil has any formal ties here in the United States?
The Worldwide Communion of Catholic and Apostolic Churches (WCCAC) is the only US represantitve of the Dom Carlos's Igreja Catolica Apostolica Brasiliera. Anyone else who may lay claim to this, doesn't simply have any ties (anymore) to ICAB.
CACINA is only one descendant of ICAB and the second one at that. It was founded by +Joachim-Ladd who left the first US mission of ICAB, the Western Orthodox Church in America, after many years of disagreement with +Luther of the Servants of the Good Shepherd (SGS). It did at one time enjoy the Patriarch's Apostolic blessing, however this ceased in all forms after CACINA changed it's policy regarding the ordination of women to Holy Orders. It has no official dealings with the Brazilian Church at this time, as confirmed by the Patriarch's Apostolic Delegate to the United States, Bp. Andre Queen of Chicago. The only church in America who is officially listed in communion with ICAB (by ICAB) and who enjoys membership in the International Communion of Catholic Apostolic National Churches, is The Catholic Apostolic National Church(USA) [ [1]] . (Scroll down that page to see pictures of The Third International Bishop’s Council of the National Apostolic Catholic Churches (ICAN), In Brasilia, Brazil, July 11 – 16, 2005). Pax! Dcn. Steve ( Slohrenz 14:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC))
This article should not have been brought up for review given the already mentioned criticisms above about the non-reliable non-third party reference for the bulk of this article. The man's own Church is not a valid source! An article built up in such a manner cannot be trusted to not be POV via exclusion of conflicting details and/or facts. The article does have third-party sources so it doesn't quick fail - but those sources are (collectively) cited only half the number of times the ICAN site is cited! Moreover, they are used to cite material not strictly involving Costa (we know about Ratlines and the founding of his Church and its spread is public record). Also, why didn't this talk page have a GA nomination tag? Also, self nominations are not encouraged. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability as well. -- Meowist 03:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)