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Carl Schmitt was not a conservative.
The article presents no evidence that Carl Schmitt was a conservative - yet assumes that he was a conservative philosopher. There is no evidence that Carl Schmitt was a supporter of natural law, or was a lover of traditional limits upon government, or that he believed any authority (whether religious or moral) was superior to the ruler or rulers. Yet the author of the article assumes (in Marxist or semi Marxist fashion - although baffling Marxism is sometimes called "liberalism" in the United States, which is absurd) that Schmitt (and all National Socialists) must be conservatives. It is as if such thinkers as Ludwig Von Mises ("Omnipotent Government") and F.A. Hayek ("The Road to Serfdom") had never written a word. 5.66.155.30 ( talk) 11:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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I am adding Alexander Dugin to the list of people Schmitt influenced.
Dugin himself states he " came to the Theory of a Multipolar World, which I eventually developed myself, precisely through superimposing geopolitical dualism, Carl Schmitt’s theory of the Grossraum, and John Hobson’s critique of Western racism and the euro-centrism of IR."
http://www.theory-talks.org/2014/12/theory-talk-66.html
Of course, the list should not become overpopulated with everyone of note that happened to be influenced by him, but considering Mr. Dugin's relevance both in Russian internal politics and reaching out to his global audience/readership, I posit that he be included.
68.192.161.211 ( talk) 11:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I have access to the sources on Eliade and Schmitt, I don't find what could justify the so-called influence. Please give here the sentences involved. Thank you. Matunga-mumbai ( talk) 16:56, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hi,
Two sources are given by Dekacarandaebonelm (another sprout of indef banned user Hkelkar by the way): Grottanelli Cristiano and Mircea Eliade’s The Portugal Journal. They are easily accessible: the first one is on the internet: see here. The first develops on the relations between Schmitt, Jünger and Eliade: Guénon is presented as representative for Eliade, not for Schmitt (section 2.3). Nowhere throughout the text is written an "influence". Same for the second one, (also accessible through digital librairies). 82.98.7.229 ( talk) 17:18, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
The category Category:Political theologians is being added to this article, and there is a dispute over it. I do not believe it is appropriate, since Schmitt was not a theologian, he was a jurist and a legal theorist. He may have written about political theology, but that doesn't make him a "political theologian". Look at everybody else in that category - they are all obviously theologians who have specialized in political theology. Schmitt's writing on that top to do not him a political theologian any more than if Kim Kardashian writing about politics would make her a political scientist. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Two of the sources recommended here (that I know of) are by far right authors—Alain de benoist and Paul gottfried. OK, maybe they belong here given the subject, but it seems sketchy to me. It’s not mainstream scholarship. 72.95.130.125 ( talk) 10:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
[Moved from above] -BMK
Persons attempting a second marriage while a spouse lives are not usually described as 'excommunicated' -- at least not in Queensland (where I am) today, so far as my experience goes.
People who attempt such a marriage would have been told in the !930s 'Don't come to the sacraments even if you are not involved in marital relations, since your coming to the sacraments would bring grave scandal (except, of course, in the hour of death.) Nick_cool ( talk) 07:44, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I cite "but its value and significance are controversial, mainly due to his intellectual support for and active involvement with Nazism".
If Schmitt's value is indeed controversial, I don't see how his significance could be controversial, it's factual and Schmitt's relations with Nazism don't change the significance of his thought. 62.211.90.151 ( talk) 10:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
I've just witnessed a conversation between people who were discussing something Carl Schmitt said and one of them hadn't heard of him before. That person looked up his name and the first thing they saw was "Carl Schmitt... was a German jurist, political theorist, geopolitician and prominent member of the Nazi Party." After this, they stopped reading and discredited everything the other person was saying.
I worry that for people who are just looking at this article in a relatively brief glance, referring to Schmitt as simply "a prominent member of the Nazi Party" within the first sentence sells him short and doesn't take note of the fact that he was disgraced from the party later on, as further elaborated elsewhere in the article. It also does not take into account that many historians across the political spectrum value his analysis far more than they would some bog standard raving antisemite. I think this sentence should be rewritten with less strong language so laymen aren't prone to respond the way that person did. 47.36.253.211 ( talk) 23:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
[1] This was interesting so I'm posting the link here in case anyone wants to use it in the article. It's way outside my area so I won't attempt this myself, at least for now. 2601:644:8501:AAF0:0:0:0:6CE6 ( talk) 11:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Katechon overlaps and is not wp:notable. Proposing merger to here. FatalSubjectivities ( talk) 13:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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Carl Schmitt was not a conservative.
The article presents no evidence that Carl Schmitt was a conservative - yet assumes that he was a conservative philosopher. There is no evidence that Carl Schmitt was a supporter of natural law, or was a lover of traditional limits upon government, or that he believed any authority (whether religious or moral) was superior to the ruler or rulers. Yet the author of the article assumes (in Marxist or semi Marxist fashion - although baffling Marxism is sometimes called "liberalism" in the United States, which is absurd) that Schmitt (and all National Socialists) must be conservatives. It is as if such thinkers as Ludwig Von Mises ("Omnipotent Government") and F.A. Hayek ("The Road to Serfdom") had never written a word. 5.66.155.30 ( talk) 11:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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I am adding Alexander Dugin to the list of people Schmitt influenced.
Dugin himself states he " came to the Theory of a Multipolar World, which I eventually developed myself, precisely through superimposing geopolitical dualism, Carl Schmitt’s theory of the Grossraum, and John Hobson’s critique of Western racism and the euro-centrism of IR."
http://www.theory-talks.org/2014/12/theory-talk-66.html
Of course, the list should not become overpopulated with everyone of note that happened to be influenced by him, but considering Mr. Dugin's relevance both in Russian internal politics and reaching out to his global audience/readership, I posit that he be included.
68.192.161.211 ( talk) 11:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I have access to the sources on Eliade and Schmitt, I don't find what could justify the so-called influence. Please give here the sentences involved. Thank you. Matunga-mumbai ( talk) 16:56, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hi,
Two sources are given by Dekacarandaebonelm (another sprout of indef banned user Hkelkar by the way): Grottanelli Cristiano and Mircea Eliade’s The Portugal Journal. They are easily accessible: the first one is on the internet: see here. The first develops on the relations between Schmitt, Jünger and Eliade: Guénon is presented as representative for Eliade, not for Schmitt (section 2.3). Nowhere throughout the text is written an "influence". Same for the second one, (also accessible through digital librairies). 82.98.7.229 ( talk) 17:18, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
The category Category:Political theologians is being added to this article, and there is a dispute over it. I do not believe it is appropriate, since Schmitt was not a theologian, he was a jurist and a legal theorist. He may have written about political theology, but that doesn't make him a "political theologian". Look at everybody else in that category - they are all obviously theologians who have specialized in political theology. Schmitt's writing on that top to do not him a political theologian any more than if Kim Kardashian writing about politics would make her a political scientist. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Two of the sources recommended here (that I know of) are by far right authors—Alain de benoist and Paul gottfried. OK, maybe they belong here given the subject, but it seems sketchy to me. It’s not mainstream scholarship. 72.95.130.125 ( talk) 10:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
[Moved from above] -BMK
Persons attempting a second marriage while a spouse lives are not usually described as 'excommunicated' -- at least not in Queensland (where I am) today, so far as my experience goes.
People who attempt such a marriage would have been told in the !930s 'Don't come to the sacraments even if you are not involved in marital relations, since your coming to the sacraments would bring grave scandal (except, of course, in the hour of death.) Nick_cool ( talk) 07:44, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I cite "but its value and significance are controversial, mainly due to his intellectual support for and active involvement with Nazism".
If Schmitt's value is indeed controversial, I don't see how his significance could be controversial, it's factual and Schmitt's relations with Nazism don't change the significance of his thought. 62.211.90.151 ( talk) 10:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
I've just witnessed a conversation between people who were discussing something Carl Schmitt said and one of them hadn't heard of him before. That person looked up his name and the first thing they saw was "Carl Schmitt... was a German jurist, political theorist, geopolitician and prominent member of the Nazi Party." After this, they stopped reading and discredited everything the other person was saying.
I worry that for people who are just looking at this article in a relatively brief glance, referring to Schmitt as simply "a prominent member of the Nazi Party" within the first sentence sells him short and doesn't take note of the fact that he was disgraced from the party later on, as further elaborated elsewhere in the article. It also does not take into account that many historians across the political spectrum value his analysis far more than they would some bog standard raving antisemite. I think this sentence should be rewritten with less strong language so laymen aren't prone to respond the way that person did. 47.36.253.211 ( talk) 23:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
[1] This was interesting so I'm posting the link here in case anyone wants to use it in the article. It's way outside my area so I won't attempt this myself, at least for now. 2601:644:8501:AAF0:0:0:0:6CE6 ( talk) 11:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Katechon overlaps and is not wp:notable. Proposing merger to here. FatalSubjectivities ( talk) 13:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)