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Okay, just recapping in case I've missed anything. Milliot created the page, and RadioFan tagged it as {{ nofootnotes}} one minute after creation. Milliot removed the tag, and since then tags have been added and removed between the two. There is a copyright issue regarding the page also, which needs to be resolved. Firstly, Milliot. If the Smithsonian has agreed to allow us to use some of its text, an email needs to be sent to WP:OTRS with some verifiable permission. This will then allow trusted Wikipedia administrators to properly evaluate the copyright status of the text. RadioFan, I know personally you and me had a similar issue involving you tagging an article not long after it was created. Again, try to give ample time for the creator to expand on the text, to provide footnotes. If you think something is notable then let the creation run its course. Adding maintenance tags, repeatedly, most likely only served to annoy Milliot, perhaps causing edit conflicts and other issues. If the author claims he has permission, sending him a link to WP:OTRS would be beneficial for both parties.
Finally, despite whether who you think was 'wrong', spending a few moments to stop, and try to discuss things often resolves the issue before things get heated. ∗ \ / ( ⁂) 23:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your input \ /. I have been in touch with the Smithsonian Institute, and discussed the matter with haberstichd@si.edu, feel free to contact them and confirm that the material is not copyrighted and we are allowed to use some of their content. The only part used, is a small bio on Jacques Francais who is the grandson of Caressa & Francais, and he carried on the business in NYC which he acquired from his father Emile Francais (son of Henri Francais). Milliot ( talk) 23:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I will deal with it as per your request. But please tell me, if it is a quote in the quote section, why is it still a copyright issue? and if the institute says it is not really copyrighted material anyway, what then? Milliot ( talk) 00:12, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I have cut half of the quote (in question). This part:
"Jacques Français’s early training was in the Paris shop, beginning work at the bench at age twelve. At age eighteen he was apprenticed to violin maker Victor Aubry in Normandy. He completed his apprenticeship with George Apparut in Mirecourt. He then worked in his father’s shop on Rue de Madrid and in the shop of Fridolin Hamma in Stuttgart, Germany. He was sent to New York City in 1947 and worked under Simone Sacconi in the shop of Rembert Wurlitzer Co.. After a year Jacques returned to Paris to work in his father’s establishment. A year later, Jacques returned to the United States and opened his own shop in New York on 57 th St. near Carnegie Hall. He pursued a career in the repair and sale of rare violins independent of his father. Over the course of its lifetime the shop became well-known and was patronized by many of the preeminent names in the concert world."
The content in question is from the Smithsonian Institute. When I spoke with them by phone about it, they said it was no problem to use it. They had no issues with copyrights, the content is from a vast collection which was donated by the Francais family. They also said there has been a lot of interest in the use of this content, as it was a prominent Luthier family, that started in the 18th century and is still going strong. Milliot ( talk) 02:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
If you have time, would you like to give it a shot? Thanks in advance. Milliot ( talk) 02:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I assume that I put {{ inuse}}, publish that, and then go on editing? Milliot ( talk) 03:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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Okay, just recapping in case I've missed anything. Milliot created the page, and RadioFan tagged it as {{ nofootnotes}} one minute after creation. Milliot removed the tag, and since then tags have been added and removed between the two. There is a copyright issue regarding the page also, which needs to be resolved. Firstly, Milliot. If the Smithsonian has agreed to allow us to use some of its text, an email needs to be sent to WP:OTRS with some verifiable permission. This will then allow trusted Wikipedia administrators to properly evaluate the copyright status of the text. RadioFan, I know personally you and me had a similar issue involving you tagging an article not long after it was created. Again, try to give ample time for the creator to expand on the text, to provide footnotes. If you think something is notable then let the creation run its course. Adding maintenance tags, repeatedly, most likely only served to annoy Milliot, perhaps causing edit conflicts and other issues. If the author claims he has permission, sending him a link to WP:OTRS would be beneficial for both parties.
Finally, despite whether who you think was 'wrong', spending a few moments to stop, and try to discuss things often resolves the issue before things get heated. ∗ \ / ( ⁂) 23:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your input \ /. I have been in touch with the Smithsonian Institute, and discussed the matter with haberstichd@si.edu, feel free to contact them and confirm that the material is not copyrighted and we are allowed to use some of their content. The only part used, is a small bio on Jacques Francais who is the grandson of Caressa & Francais, and he carried on the business in NYC which he acquired from his father Emile Francais (son of Henri Francais). Milliot ( talk) 23:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I will deal with it as per your request. But please tell me, if it is a quote in the quote section, why is it still a copyright issue? and if the institute says it is not really copyrighted material anyway, what then? Milliot ( talk) 00:12, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I have cut half of the quote (in question). This part:
"Jacques Français’s early training was in the Paris shop, beginning work at the bench at age twelve. At age eighteen he was apprenticed to violin maker Victor Aubry in Normandy. He completed his apprenticeship with George Apparut in Mirecourt. He then worked in his father’s shop on Rue de Madrid and in the shop of Fridolin Hamma in Stuttgart, Germany. He was sent to New York City in 1947 and worked under Simone Sacconi in the shop of Rembert Wurlitzer Co.. After a year Jacques returned to Paris to work in his father’s establishment. A year later, Jacques returned to the United States and opened his own shop in New York on 57 th St. near Carnegie Hall. He pursued a career in the repair and sale of rare violins independent of his father. Over the course of its lifetime the shop became well-known and was patronized by many of the preeminent names in the concert world."
The content in question is from the Smithsonian Institute. When I spoke with them by phone about it, they said it was no problem to use it. They had no issues with copyrights, the content is from a vast collection which was donated by the Francais family. They also said there has been a lot of interest in the use of this content, as it was a prominent Luthier family, that started in the 18th century and is still going strong. Milliot ( talk) 02:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
If you have time, would you like to give it a shot? Thanks in advance. Milliot ( talk) 02:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I assume that I put {{ inuse}}, publish that, and then go on editing? Milliot ( talk) 03:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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