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Can users try to shed light on the UK/Austrila dub please as the arctle and links seem baised towards the orginal and US versions (in a way that the other dubs are obscure). I will post some links soon. - Dynamo_ace
I have made the amendments, please wikify the changes and comment on the ammendments here, thank you-- Dynamo_ace 15:45, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
I know we are trying to put up an episode guide like in other animation articles but the senstivtiy of the anime (due to poor distabuation etc.) could render this article baised without anyone knowing. Lets just keep a Japanesse episode guide up for now until there has been full research and understanding into the english dub.
Even so, if we did an english dub episode list, we would have to do the same for other natinaoltys which could overload the page, so i suggest we don't include one at all. - Dynamo_ace Talk 29th December 2005
Referring to User:Melesse's change, does "Characters" really need to be separated out into its own page? I know the characters list is long, but I don't think it particularly warrants separating out. Would you mind if I moved it back to how it was? -- Jonathan Drain 01:56, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't think Kero has a New York accsent in the english dub as the voiceover (Matt Hill) is from Canada, futher more his voice could be unique like Joe Pasquile. Could be wrong, but in any case, more work needed on that topic - Dynamo_ace
Found out from a CCS fansite that the Osakan dialect is like Canda's Newfoundland dialect. Could that help distingish kero's dub dialect? -- Dynamo_ace 22:13, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
I listed that this anime was broadcasted in Israel in it's uncensored form, but someone keeps writing it WAS censored. What gives? I'm sure it's not censored.
Vandlism corrected on 20:16 (GMT) 20 september 2005. Vandal's intentions are to possbliy flame CC and degrade article. Can the vandal please do his\her homework!-- Dynamo_ace 19:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that all of edits would constitute as vandalism, specifically the lines noting Li/Lee's name change and the fact that Meiling was a character made specifically for the anime. -- 155.246.15.34 00:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Wrong, All the edits the vandel did were dilibratly degrading the quility of the artilcle (by dilibratly making spelling mistakes and other naming mistakes in the artilcle and by remove 3 external links in the article (2 of which are non-flame CC sites.))Also, there was already a line stating that Meiling was a anime-only character. -- Dynamo_ace 11:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I still think it should be mentioned somewhere in the article the fact that Li's name was changed to Lee in the english dub. And do we really need links to five or six different fansites? Can we cut it down to two or three?-- 155.246.15.34 01:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
The problem is that we need the list of fansites to repesent both CCS and CC in all prespectives. And other wikipedia articles have more than 4 links, so there is no problems.
Also, don't trust subtitles (i suspect that the reason you think Li's name is Lee. Subtilite companies employed by the TV networks have a tendency to make errors, especially in names,due to the fact they don't have much time to annoate the program. It is not like in Movies where companies like SDI media can correct mistakes before it is put onto DVD. -- Dynamo_ace 08:17, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
The vandal has reverted to his vandelised copy. This was fixed at 19:02 (GMT) on 26 Septmeber 2005. The vandel is anoyomous with a IP address of 84.93.64.55. This is your final warning vandel, attempt to vandilise the arctile for the purposes of flaming and degrading and you will be put forth to the admins and possibly banned. A cool off of this article is also being consedered.-- Dynamo_ace 18:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
There's a list of names changes on the http://www.clowbook.com/ (official Nelvana site) (spellings are all their's, not mine):
Shiroi Hane 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Any chance we could have some sort of consensus on this? Shiroi Hane 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I go for Toya. And no, we don't care about "accuracy" of a romanization ('sides, Touya is not really any more accurate than Toya). TOKYOPOP and Geneon use Toya. WhisperToMe 06:19, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Assuming it's not just my browser, something seems to have gone wrong with the romaji (pinyin?) entries for Syaoran, Yue and Meiling. Shiroi Hane 23:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
The manga states that they intend to marry when she is of age, but I can't recall it ever being stated that they do marry (for one thing.. the story ends while she's still in school) Shiroi Hane 08:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
It's risky, and could end up having an American bias, Wikipedia isn't the USA's unbaised encyclopedia, it the English speaking lanuage's unbaised encyclopedia. That means its for the USA,UK, Austrila etc. - Dynamo_ace Talk
I think then there will be two sensitive articles (articles which are prone to being POV or vandilised, in fact there should be a template warning people when they see such articles), and that would mean two articles to monitor for vandilsm and POV, which could make its stressfull. This encylopedia has had more than its fair share of stick from the media, i would hate to see it get more stick just because some flamers of a certian anime want it their way. This is a neutral encylopedia, splitting the article into two would just be asking for trouble.
I think we should either put this to a vote or leave it as it is (with or without the idea of implementing a senstive article warning template). - Dynamo_ace Talk
We have been getting degrading of articles, invaild infomation, US epsiode lists (Not that that is vandlism), and unbalanced and baised infomation about the dub. That's the main problems we have had in my opion.
Before we contiune we need other user's experances with the article (check the history logs for detials) - Dynamo_ace Talk
The article is looking rather long. May I make a suggest that CCS takes a page from the X/1999 page and set up a new page for the characters? 24.81.147.137 06:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Revised the whole article, primarily fixing grammar, sentence structure, and overall continuity. Some of the plot synopsis has been rewritten as a result. Will try to revise all the sub-articles (i.e. those of all characters, including writing the character articles that don't exist yet) in the near future.
This series has been taken off American TV, and DVD sales have gone their course (though there has recently been a new box set release; it's very pretty and equally as expensive), so this article's "flame war" tendencies seemed to have lessened. (I suppose everyone is going to rant about Naruto nowadays), so CCS can sit in peace with its true fans as it turns 10 this year.
-- Crisu 05:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I want to try something out. I understand Dynamo_ace's point that perhaps this article should pay a little more attention to Cardcaptors. It could in one way be viewed as a separate show almost. But in any case, I think that more information should be given about it than just "compared to CCS, Cardcaptors is _____." So I spread out the information in the Cardcaptors section a little bit, making the positive part of the section a little more visible.
And I'm experimenting with adding a Plot Synopsis section specifically for the dub. I'm not sure if that's the best idea or if a "Plot Differences" section would be best. I'd rather go with the synopsis, since more dub-specific information can be included there. (Like the "Expect the unexpected" quote. I think that's an important part of the dub.) But I don't want to repeat myself since the major card capturing plot is essentially the same as in the Japanese version. ..So I wrote a little stub for now, and if you guys like it, I'll expand it. But if not, we'll find another way.
-- Crisu 23:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I've finished deprecating the Cardcaptor Sakura characters page. It now redirects here, as every character that was described on that list now has his or her own article. So in the characters section here, I've made a two-column list of characters. I debated making a third column, but I don't know if that would go beyond most people's resolutions.
Also I hope my sorting of the names is agreeable. If anyone has a better layout, then make sure you include enough < br > tags to make the lists have equal amounts of lines and align properly.
The Maki Matsumoto article will be written soon. And my next project after that: articles for all 70 episodes. I'm seeing other TV shows have them, so why can't CCS?
-- Crisu 02:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Cardcaptors did air on Toonami. It was very brief--maybe four or six weeks over the summer--so I suppose people who missed it would never know it was there. I remember watching it on TV firsthand (and upset that the American dub made its way to Toonami), too.
Here: http://dl.toonamiarsenal.com/download.php?site=tda&fid=000223
It's a .mov file from here: http://www.toonamiarsenal.com/main.php
P.S. Can some of this old discussion be archived or deleted? The page is getting kind of long and superfluous. Except for the Touya/Toya issue, some of the other topics have been addressed already. -- Crisu 03:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Asking for everyone's opinion on the Purachina article. It's been isolated for a while, and I haven't decided whether I should list it for deletion or not. The article currently doesn't say much, and I don't know if it could be made into something notable. As far as CCS is concerned, it's just an opening theme. So if it could be salvaged primarily as a Maaya Sakamoto single, then that'd be good. -- Crisu 06:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The E&T Pairing article is another one I'd really like to get rid of, but that just might be my slightly biased opinion alone. Since it has a generally small fanbase, I don't know if it should be included in the template (see below) or well.. even kept alive. Same thing with the Purachina article. -- Crisu 17:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Inspired from discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga, I've written a template that will soon be placed on all CCS articles. Though I suppose I can just go ahead and do it, I thought it'd be nice to poll everyone first on their opinions of the current layout.
I'm not 100% happy on where I've placed everyone's names, but right now I can't come up with anything better (that also saves space). --
Crisu
17:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
This is a good template, if you are looking for ideas check out the Ah! My goddess! articles. Cool Cat and other wikipedians have implemented several different types of templates for navagating around the article set. - Dynamo_ace Talk
I like it. -- Ned Scott 19:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Is a template really necessary? You need to edit it a bit more. Some of the names don't fit the respective descriptions.
Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 18:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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Major Characters: | Sakura Kinomoto | Syaoran Li | Cerberus| Tomoyo Daidouji | Yue | |||||
Supporting Characters: | Toya Kinomoto | Yukito Tsukishiro | Kaho Mizuki | Meiling Li | Eriol Hiiragizawa | Spinel Sun | Ruby Moon | |||||
Minor Characters: | Clow Reed | Fujitaka Kinomoto | Nadeshiko Kinomoto| Sonomi Daidouji | Chiharu Mihara | Rika Sasaki | Takashi Yamazaki | Naoko Yanagisawa | Yoshiyuki Terada | Maki Matsumoto | |||||
Clow Cards: | A-F | G-R | S-Z | |||||
Information: | Media information | List of Episodes | Voice actors |
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Kinomoto Family: | Sakura Kinomoto | Toya Kinomoto | Fujitaka Kinomoto | Nadeshiko Kinomoto | |||||
Li Clan: | Syaoran Li | Meiling Li | |||||
Daidouji Family: | Tomoyo Daidouji | Sonomi Daidouji | |||||
Clow-Created: | Cerberus | Yue | Spinel Sun | Ruby Moon | |||||
Classmates: | Chiharu Mihara | Rika Sasaki | Takashi Yamazaki | Naoko Yanagisawa | |||||
Teachers: | Kaho Mizuki | Yoshiyuki Terada | |||||
Friends: | Yukito Tsukishiro | Maki Matsumoto | |||||
Clow Cards: | A-F | G-R | S-Z | |||||
Information: | Media information | List of Episodes | Voice actors |
I like the current template being used, myself. -- Ned Scott 11:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I like Crisu's original template. It has a good layout. -- Squilibob 10:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I am getting sick of seeing links to CC flamesites (Or CCS fansites with CC flaming) on this article, if this doesn't change, i will have to impose a crtiera for sites that can added to these articles. - Dynamo_ace Talk
Look under TV section then CCS\CC Differences i think, thats where you will find it i think.
I aplogize for my anger, but it is 10 years now since CCS has been launched and it seems some people still have not done their homework! -- Dynamo_ace Talk
All we can do is try and tell them and show them the place to obtain the episodes. Sadly, the link i would provide might be considered linkspam or a violation of wikipeida's rules but it might just fill the balance a bit. -- Dynamo_ace Talk
In response to the need for a cleanup on the links section to this article, i have done a quick audit on what could stay and what should be removed.
I would like to say that this website: * Clow Legacy (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/) is a Cardcaptor Sakura site because there's a section for Cardcaptor Sakura and it is right here. (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/ccs/)Samantha Lim88 13:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I realize the article has an unsited sources notice, but this line really bothers me: Due in part to its animation and characterization, Cardcaptor Sakura has a wide fanbase on the Internet, particularly in the yaoi, shōjo, yuri and lolicon fandom. I worry that the inclusion of lolicon, a small subset of anime fandom, may turn people off to the show and give the wrong impression, especially mentioning it in the first section. My understanding was that the anime in particular was targeted at children, and I know the show has been recommended in the past for younger viewers outside of Japan as well. A similar show, Pretty Cure, which has a yuri/lolicon fanbase makes no mention of this at all. In conclusion, is there a source for this? 69.12.130.233 09:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I think it should be taken out, it's not neccessary, especially for a children's show. Pretty much any anime featuring underage girls can have lolicon-fandom. --
58.168.201.152
03:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This page has disappeared and been replaced with a message that says "Hinomaru" and a picture of the Japanese flag-- I'm assuming no one will be bothered if I attempt to restore the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma ( talk • contribs) 02:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
Okay, I just copied and pasted the last version before this one into the edit-- should be okay now. If anyone takes issue, fixing it further would probably be the best course of action. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma ( talk • contribs).
Right now we don't have a lot of real world info, but we actually have tons of it available. There's tons of articles, interviews, reviews, etc about CCS, and about individual characters and concepts. Normally I'd suggest cutting a lot of "plot only stuff", but I think it will all be justified once we get some of the real-world/reception/etc information in these articles. I think we should start to compile a list of sources for this content on the talk page, anything you can find, interviews, commentary, etc. We've got some great articles here, and it's time we made them even better. -- Ned Scott 05:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed a total absence in the main series article of discussions of the prominent themes of the seres -- concepts like "The One You Like Best" and how much of the series (especially Volume 12 of the manga) seems to revolve around the questiom of what love is and how many different forms it takes. On one hand, this would be a great help in placing the series within its context, but since it is as much literary cirtiicsm as statement of fact one wonders whether it would be considered encyclopedic enough. (I've run into trouble on that before). So I would like some guidance. Michael Hopcroft 03:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand why you would want to post or discuss this since all the old CCS forums have died out due to the age of the series. If you noticed, we do have some light analysis of the relationships of the characters which is a little bit thematic, seeming self-evident and therefore acceptable. -- Charizardpal 17:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
There is one thing I don't understand - some time ago, I had made the licensor entries in the infobox, and for some reason they have been removed. Why the heck is this? The entry 'licensor' is a valid entry and all I want is to place it. So why are the entries of the licensors - Geneon and Nelvana - continually removed when they belond in the infobox? Elwin Blaine Coldiron 02:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Where shall I put the information? I'm not quite sure...
Samantha Lim88 13:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
There's 3 artbooks and 3 anime artbooks.
Samantha Lim88 13:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
To me, under the Manga section seems like a close-match for that information. -- Charizardpal 00:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, we need to push it to an A-class article! Can someone help? The media info CCS isn't enough. We need info about the video game... There's much more things to do.
Samantha Lim88 13:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
There used to be a reference to the video diaries on the first page; now that it's been removed its difficult to find out how many mini-omake (and audio-only drama CDS) were released on CD's. Could someone find the old article (I assume this list has been moved to another page), and post a hyperlink somewhere on the first page. (I think posting it right after the last Sakura arc would do well, but don't put it under the soundtrack page without making a reference to it it on the main Article page, since that'll just confuse readers.) -- Charizardpal 00:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I've seen 3 of them available on youtube, but there may be more. -- Charizardpal 17:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Right now I'm discussing the special attributes of the celestrial elements which the cards fall under. This is seldom discussed, and if I find any citable information I'll add it. It's interesting that unlike in most fantasy series, the elemental cards (Chinese and Greek) both fall under jurisdiction of the Sun, Moon cards. As when Sakura's wood and wind cards (Chinese, and Greek/Chinese) are both deflected during final Judgement by Yue on the basis that they fall under his Jurisdiction as the Moon Guardian.
I don't know how to include this in the article, but so far these are the characters that I've discovered: Sun-Kero, Spinel, Clow Reed (Sakura, 1st-2nd seasons?) Moon-Yue, Touya, Ruby Moon, Clow Reed, Syaron Stars-Sakura in the 3rd season Darkness-Eriol (Clow Reed's reincarnation)
(There may still be others, for example, I'm not sure which element the sorceress from the 1st movie used. It does seem that more people draw from the moon element than any other element.) -- Charizardpal 17:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Their names appear on the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie, where they are listed for dubbing credits. Here the page: Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie on Imdb. I'm pretty sure they can be considered part of the canon, but you can discuss it here. -- 85.18.136.105 10:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Portions of “Title names”, “Broadcasting”, “Intros” and “Voice casts” came from Michael’s Cardcaptors. -- Dynamo_ace 12:05, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
I must insist on gathering more information about the two movies, perhaps even creating a new page for them. Thank you.
It was proposed in February that the media list and Cardcaptors be merged back into the articles. No discussion was every started here, though informal consensus in the project is that the merges will be done. If anyone else wishes to weigh in, please do so, or the merges will be done soon. These merges are highly appropriate as the current splits go against our MoS and do not lend themselves to well formed articles. This is also in keeping with what the project is currently doing in other similar articles, with the most recent example being Tokyo Mew Mew, which has undergone two similar merges and is of a very similar nature in terms of issues with with English release and bad article formats as Cardcaptor Sakura is. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 04:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Cardcaptor Sakura has a ridiculous number of character articles – 22, and those are just the ones the Navbox links to (though I don't actually know if there are any others) – but no central character list. These pages really need to be merged, if anyone wants to undertake the job. — Dino guy 1000 18:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I know Wikipedia is all "we luv spoilers" these days, but I strongly feel that it's inappropriate to have such a huge spoiler as Yue's true identity revealed in the chart of characters, which is a part of the article readers should expect to be able to read without having anything spoiled for them. Therefore instead of "Yue (Yukito)" as it was, I've moved Yukito to the "other characters" section. 91.107.148.232 ( talk) 19:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, you're right; we did touch on the subject. I guess I'd forgotten :). Not sure that there was any definite conclusion drawn, though. - 3loodlust ( talk) 01:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I believe the article Cerberus (Cardcaptor Sakura) needs to be renamed to use the official English name of Keroberos, as per our MoS. Kero is named Keroberos in both the English release manga by Tokyopop and the Geneon anime releases. He is also named Keroberos in the Cardcaptors dub. This, to me, is overwhelming support for using Keroberos for the article name. Google hits also support that Keroberos is the most commonly used name, with nearly 17500 hits for Keroberos "Cardcaptor Sakura" versus 12400 for Cerberus "Cardcaptor Sakura" and 821 for Kerberos "Cardcaptor Sakura" I can see no real reason or purpose for using Cerberus except to try to tie it to the Greek mythology (currently unsourced theory in the main article). If the article is renamed, of course all instances with in the CCS articles should also be fixed. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 20:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Given the evidence? I say we use Cerberus. The other name is confirmed Engrish. Also worth mentioning that if you search for those same terms mentioned above, on Google, but with Card Captor Sakura instead of Cardcaptor Sakura, you get 28k hits for the Cerburus variant and only about 6k for Keroberos. -- erachima talk 23:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Since we've agreed it should be Cerberus, anyone want to help with fixing the names in the various CCS articles? Being consistent throughout would be a good thing. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 03:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E7D71238F933A15752C0A9649C8B63
Found this while looking for some other stuff. Has some good info about the changes between CCS and CC. Noting here incase I forget the link. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
My removal of the NPOV marker seems to be one that isn't being understood. First I admit that I myself am against the dub, mainly on the grounds that it was a hackjob that was changed to suit the sexist needs of a company that in their own words said that the reason they edited it was because "girls don't buy as much merchandise as boys," so they decided to remove all the character development and romance aspects and focus mainly on the action to attract boys to watching it.
The dub lacked any real plot, mainly due to the fact that they wiped out most of it. If we were to focus on the dub, 3/4ths of the article would be gone. I am all for linking the dub's article through the page, but to say we should focus more on a version that was so edited that adding it to the article would cause confusion. We'd have to remove almost everything as it would go against the dub's story, and I'm not for that. AjaaniSherisu ( talk) 05:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
You still haven't answered me on how the article shows "dislike and hatred" for the dub whenever it is mentioned. Nowhere in the whole MOS-AM does it state that a certain medium's information should be spoken about more than others. It does state that "This section can include, as appropriate, separate subsections for information on the original version of the work, as well as any related anime series/OVAs, manga, novels, movies, video games, and other media (such as soundtracks and drama CDs). These sections should, in general, include the original release / broadcast information (as applicable), and English license and release / broadcast information (again, as applicable)." If the MOS-AM really contains what you are saying, please copy and paste the exact words that state it.
The article mentions right in the beginning who created it, what company published it and what magazine it was serialized in as per the Production portion of MOS-AM. AjaaniSherisu ( talk) 07:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I was just looking over the page, and noticed this section listing off all of the cards. Is this list really necessary? The cards have their own page; they don't need to be listed off here too, and to have a long list like this really detracts from the rest of the page in which each section is moderately well organized and presents a definite purpose. I suggest this section either be revised so that it serves a useful purpose, or else be deleted altogether. - 3loodlust ( talk) 16:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice job with the clean-up, AnmaFinotera, the 'plot' section now moves in a much more logical order, and certainly its nice to have an addition of information that's not in-universe for once. It still needs some work (with which i hope I can be more useful than I've been as of late), but this is a major improvement. I think there may be a few spots in need of revision, though. The most obvious of which is in paragraph 6 of the plot summary where it says that the only cards wafting to be changed were Light and Dark. After Eriol reveals himself, he also battles Sakura to force her to transform the Shield and Watery cards as well before she transforms the last pair. Also, there's something about the description of Cerberus and Yue's power at the end of the third paragraph of the plot that seems slightly off. I don't believe that Yue draws all of his power from Sakura, but merely needs her support in addition to the power he draws from the moon. I may well be in error, however; I'll check my translations to be sure, and I'll look up the final transformations in the manga to be certain there as well before I make any corrections. :) - 3loodlust ( talk) 00:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm willing to do the merging of the audio part. Now the question is the modalities of that merge.
For the formating proposing to do it in a condensed way, killing the tracks lists and the albums infobox in the process.
For references i'm proposing a 3 references-fuu : 1 to prove existence & release date, 1 to prove the chart peak rank & 1 to prove content/details like lyrics writer, music score writer or arrangement maker.
The consequence is an explosion of the number of references/sources. My last count was around 60.
For sub-section i'm proposing the fellowing one :
Feel free to give your opinion, we are not in hurry. KrebMarkt 19:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
My keybord lapsed when i was wrinting why i undid rev 270424562
Ext link to COPYVIO content & a try to get around the image fair use limitation of the characters list.
--
KrebMarkt
13:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I've heard from people that a new tv series will be released soon in the future. If this is true then why not add a section of speculation? Mostly blogs have been at it. Could we do add it? SonGoku786( talk • contribs) 20:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
There have been tags on this page for quite some time but no discussion has been brought up about how to fix them. Perhaps we should start by discussing the reasons for why such tags are in place. I believe we should remove the reference and intro tags as there are plenty of references on the page and the intro seems to follow the guidelines. AjaaniSherisu ( talk) 07:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
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Can users try to shed light on the UK/Austrila dub please as the arctle and links seem baised towards the orginal and US versions (in a way that the other dubs are obscure). I will post some links soon. - Dynamo_ace
I have made the amendments, please wikify the changes and comment on the ammendments here, thank you-- Dynamo_ace 15:45, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
I know we are trying to put up an episode guide like in other animation articles but the senstivtiy of the anime (due to poor distabuation etc.) could render this article baised without anyone knowing. Lets just keep a Japanesse episode guide up for now until there has been full research and understanding into the english dub.
Even so, if we did an english dub episode list, we would have to do the same for other natinaoltys which could overload the page, so i suggest we don't include one at all. - Dynamo_ace Talk 29th December 2005
Referring to User:Melesse's change, does "Characters" really need to be separated out into its own page? I know the characters list is long, but I don't think it particularly warrants separating out. Would you mind if I moved it back to how it was? -- Jonathan Drain 01:56, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't think Kero has a New York accsent in the english dub as the voiceover (Matt Hill) is from Canada, futher more his voice could be unique like Joe Pasquile. Could be wrong, but in any case, more work needed on that topic - Dynamo_ace
Found out from a CCS fansite that the Osakan dialect is like Canda's Newfoundland dialect. Could that help distingish kero's dub dialect? -- Dynamo_ace 22:13, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
I listed that this anime was broadcasted in Israel in it's uncensored form, but someone keeps writing it WAS censored. What gives? I'm sure it's not censored.
Vandlism corrected on 20:16 (GMT) 20 september 2005. Vandal's intentions are to possbliy flame CC and degrade article. Can the vandal please do his\her homework!-- Dynamo_ace 19:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that all of edits would constitute as vandalism, specifically the lines noting Li/Lee's name change and the fact that Meiling was a character made specifically for the anime. -- 155.246.15.34 00:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Wrong, All the edits the vandel did were dilibratly degrading the quility of the artilcle (by dilibratly making spelling mistakes and other naming mistakes in the artilcle and by remove 3 external links in the article (2 of which are non-flame CC sites.))Also, there was already a line stating that Meiling was a anime-only character. -- Dynamo_ace 11:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I still think it should be mentioned somewhere in the article the fact that Li's name was changed to Lee in the english dub. And do we really need links to five or six different fansites? Can we cut it down to two or three?-- 155.246.15.34 01:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
The problem is that we need the list of fansites to repesent both CCS and CC in all prespectives. And other wikipedia articles have more than 4 links, so there is no problems.
Also, don't trust subtitles (i suspect that the reason you think Li's name is Lee. Subtilite companies employed by the TV networks have a tendency to make errors, especially in names,due to the fact they don't have much time to annoate the program. It is not like in Movies where companies like SDI media can correct mistakes before it is put onto DVD. -- Dynamo_ace 08:17, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
The vandal has reverted to his vandelised copy. This was fixed at 19:02 (GMT) on 26 Septmeber 2005. The vandel is anoyomous with a IP address of 84.93.64.55. This is your final warning vandel, attempt to vandilise the arctile for the purposes of flaming and degrading and you will be put forth to the admins and possibly banned. A cool off of this article is also being consedered.-- Dynamo_ace 18:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
There's a list of names changes on the http://www.clowbook.com/ (official Nelvana site) (spellings are all their's, not mine):
Shiroi Hane 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Any chance we could have some sort of consensus on this? Shiroi Hane 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I go for Toya. And no, we don't care about "accuracy" of a romanization ('sides, Touya is not really any more accurate than Toya). TOKYOPOP and Geneon use Toya. WhisperToMe 06:19, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Assuming it's not just my browser, something seems to have gone wrong with the romaji (pinyin?) entries for Syaoran, Yue and Meiling. Shiroi Hane 23:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
The manga states that they intend to marry when she is of age, but I can't recall it ever being stated that they do marry (for one thing.. the story ends while she's still in school) Shiroi Hane 08:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
It's risky, and could end up having an American bias, Wikipedia isn't the USA's unbaised encyclopedia, it the English speaking lanuage's unbaised encyclopedia. That means its for the USA,UK, Austrila etc. - Dynamo_ace Talk
I think then there will be two sensitive articles (articles which are prone to being POV or vandilised, in fact there should be a template warning people when they see such articles), and that would mean two articles to monitor for vandilsm and POV, which could make its stressfull. This encylopedia has had more than its fair share of stick from the media, i would hate to see it get more stick just because some flamers of a certian anime want it their way. This is a neutral encylopedia, splitting the article into two would just be asking for trouble.
I think we should either put this to a vote or leave it as it is (with or without the idea of implementing a senstive article warning template). - Dynamo_ace Talk
We have been getting degrading of articles, invaild infomation, US epsiode lists (Not that that is vandlism), and unbalanced and baised infomation about the dub. That's the main problems we have had in my opion.
Before we contiune we need other user's experances with the article (check the history logs for detials) - Dynamo_ace Talk
The article is looking rather long. May I make a suggest that CCS takes a page from the X/1999 page and set up a new page for the characters? 24.81.147.137 06:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Revised the whole article, primarily fixing grammar, sentence structure, and overall continuity. Some of the plot synopsis has been rewritten as a result. Will try to revise all the sub-articles (i.e. those of all characters, including writing the character articles that don't exist yet) in the near future.
This series has been taken off American TV, and DVD sales have gone their course (though there has recently been a new box set release; it's very pretty and equally as expensive), so this article's "flame war" tendencies seemed to have lessened. (I suppose everyone is going to rant about Naruto nowadays), so CCS can sit in peace with its true fans as it turns 10 this year.
-- Crisu 05:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I want to try something out. I understand Dynamo_ace's point that perhaps this article should pay a little more attention to Cardcaptors. It could in one way be viewed as a separate show almost. But in any case, I think that more information should be given about it than just "compared to CCS, Cardcaptors is _____." So I spread out the information in the Cardcaptors section a little bit, making the positive part of the section a little more visible.
And I'm experimenting with adding a Plot Synopsis section specifically for the dub. I'm not sure if that's the best idea or if a "Plot Differences" section would be best. I'd rather go with the synopsis, since more dub-specific information can be included there. (Like the "Expect the unexpected" quote. I think that's an important part of the dub.) But I don't want to repeat myself since the major card capturing plot is essentially the same as in the Japanese version. ..So I wrote a little stub for now, and if you guys like it, I'll expand it. But if not, we'll find another way.
-- Crisu 23:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I've finished deprecating the Cardcaptor Sakura characters page. It now redirects here, as every character that was described on that list now has his or her own article. So in the characters section here, I've made a two-column list of characters. I debated making a third column, but I don't know if that would go beyond most people's resolutions.
Also I hope my sorting of the names is agreeable. If anyone has a better layout, then make sure you include enough < br > tags to make the lists have equal amounts of lines and align properly.
The Maki Matsumoto article will be written soon. And my next project after that: articles for all 70 episodes. I'm seeing other TV shows have them, so why can't CCS?
-- Crisu 02:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Cardcaptors did air on Toonami. It was very brief--maybe four or six weeks over the summer--so I suppose people who missed it would never know it was there. I remember watching it on TV firsthand (and upset that the American dub made its way to Toonami), too.
Here: http://dl.toonamiarsenal.com/download.php?site=tda&fid=000223
It's a .mov file from here: http://www.toonamiarsenal.com/main.php
P.S. Can some of this old discussion be archived or deleted? The page is getting kind of long and superfluous. Except for the Touya/Toya issue, some of the other topics have been addressed already. -- Crisu 03:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Asking for everyone's opinion on the Purachina article. It's been isolated for a while, and I haven't decided whether I should list it for deletion or not. The article currently doesn't say much, and I don't know if it could be made into something notable. As far as CCS is concerned, it's just an opening theme. So if it could be salvaged primarily as a Maaya Sakamoto single, then that'd be good. -- Crisu 06:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The E&T Pairing article is another one I'd really like to get rid of, but that just might be my slightly biased opinion alone. Since it has a generally small fanbase, I don't know if it should be included in the template (see below) or well.. even kept alive. Same thing with the Purachina article. -- Crisu 17:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Inspired from discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga, I've written a template that will soon be placed on all CCS articles. Though I suppose I can just go ahead and do it, I thought it'd be nice to poll everyone first on their opinions of the current layout.
I'm not 100% happy on where I've placed everyone's names, but right now I can't come up with anything better (that also saves space). --
Crisu
17:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
This is a good template, if you are looking for ideas check out the Ah! My goddess! articles. Cool Cat and other wikipedians have implemented several different types of templates for navagating around the article set. - Dynamo_ace Talk
I like it. -- Ned Scott 19:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Is a template really necessary? You need to edit it a bit more. Some of the names don't fit the respective descriptions.
Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 18:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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Major Characters: | Sakura Kinomoto | Syaoran Li | Cerberus| Tomoyo Daidouji | Yue | |||||
Supporting Characters: | Toya Kinomoto | Yukito Tsukishiro | Kaho Mizuki | Meiling Li | Eriol Hiiragizawa | Spinel Sun | Ruby Moon | |||||
Minor Characters: | Clow Reed | Fujitaka Kinomoto | Nadeshiko Kinomoto| Sonomi Daidouji | Chiharu Mihara | Rika Sasaki | Takashi Yamazaki | Naoko Yanagisawa | Yoshiyuki Terada | Maki Matsumoto | |||||
Clow Cards: | A-F | G-R | S-Z | |||||
Information: | Media information | List of Episodes | Voice actors |
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Kinomoto Family: | Sakura Kinomoto | Toya Kinomoto | Fujitaka Kinomoto | Nadeshiko Kinomoto | |||||
Li Clan: | Syaoran Li | Meiling Li | |||||
Daidouji Family: | Tomoyo Daidouji | Sonomi Daidouji | |||||
Clow-Created: | Cerberus | Yue | Spinel Sun | Ruby Moon | |||||
Classmates: | Chiharu Mihara | Rika Sasaki | Takashi Yamazaki | Naoko Yanagisawa | |||||
Teachers: | Kaho Mizuki | Yoshiyuki Terada | |||||
Friends: | Yukito Tsukishiro | Maki Matsumoto | |||||
Clow Cards: | A-F | G-R | S-Z | |||||
Information: | Media information | List of Episodes | Voice actors |
I like the current template being used, myself. -- Ned Scott 11:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I like Crisu's original template. It has a good layout. -- Squilibob 10:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I am getting sick of seeing links to CC flamesites (Or CCS fansites with CC flaming) on this article, if this doesn't change, i will have to impose a crtiera for sites that can added to these articles. - Dynamo_ace Talk
Look under TV section then CCS\CC Differences i think, thats where you will find it i think.
I aplogize for my anger, but it is 10 years now since CCS has been launched and it seems some people still have not done their homework! -- Dynamo_ace Talk
All we can do is try and tell them and show them the place to obtain the episodes. Sadly, the link i would provide might be considered linkspam or a violation of wikipeida's rules but it might just fill the balance a bit. -- Dynamo_ace Talk
In response to the need for a cleanup on the links section to this article, i have done a quick audit on what could stay and what should be removed.
I would like to say that this website: * Clow Legacy (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/) is a Cardcaptor Sakura site because there's a section for Cardcaptor Sakura and it is right here. (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/ccs/)Samantha Lim88 13:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I realize the article has an unsited sources notice, but this line really bothers me: Due in part to its animation and characterization, Cardcaptor Sakura has a wide fanbase on the Internet, particularly in the yaoi, shōjo, yuri and lolicon fandom. I worry that the inclusion of lolicon, a small subset of anime fandom, may turn people off to the show and give the wrong impression, especially mentioning it in the first section. My understanding was that the anime in particular was targeted at children, and I know the show has been recommended in the past for younger viewers outside of Japan as well. A similar show, Pretty Cure, which has a yuri/lolicon fanbase makes no mention of this at all. In conclusion, is there a source for this? 69.12.130.233 09:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I think it should be taken out, it's not neccessary, especially for a children's show. Pretty much any anime featuring underage girls can have lolicon-fandom. --
58.168.201.152
03:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This page has disappeared and been replaced with a message that says "Hinomaru" and a picture of the Japanese flag-- I'm assuming no one will be bothered if I attempt to restore the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma ( talk • contribs) 02:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
Okay, I just copied and pasted the last version before this one into the edit-- should be okay now. If anyone takes issue, fixing it further would probably be the best course of action. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma ( talk • contribs).
Right now we don't have a lot of real world info, but we actually have tons of it available. There's tons of articles, interviews, reviews, etc about CCS, and about individual characters and concepts. Normally I'd suggest cutting a lot of "plot only stuff", but I think it will all be justified once we get some of the real-world/reception/etc information in these articles. I think we should start to compile a list of sources for this content on the talk page, anything you can find, interviews, commentary, etc. We've got some great articles here, and it's time we made them even better. -- Ned Scott 05:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed a total absence in the main series article of discussions of the prominent themes of the seres -- concepts like "The One You Like Best" and how much of the series (especially Volume 12 of the manga) seems to revolve around the questiom of what love is and how many different forms it takes. On one hand, this would be a great help in placing the series within its context, but since it is as much literary cirtiicsm as statement of fact one wonders whether it would be considered encyclopedic enough. (I've run into trouble on that before). So I would like some guidance. Michael Hopcroft 03:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand why you would want to post or discuss this since all the old CCS forums have died out due to the age of the series. If you noticed, we do have some light analysis of the relationships of the characters which is a little bit thematic, seeming self-evident and therefore acceptable. -- Charizardpal 17:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
There is one thing I don't understand - some time ago, I had made the licensor entries in the infobox, and for some reason they have been removed. Why the heck is this? The entry 'licensor' is a valid entry and all I want is to place it. So why are the entries of the licensors - Geneon and Nelvana - continually removed when they belond in the infobox? Elwin Blaine Coldiron 02:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Where shall I put the information? I'm not quite sure...
Samantha Lim88 13:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
There's 3 artbooks and 3 anime artbooks.
Samantha Lim88 13:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
To me, under the Manga section seems like a close-match for that information. -- Charizardpal 00:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, we need to push it to an A-class article! Can someone help? The media info CCS isn't enough. We need info about the video game... There's much more things to do.
Samantha Lim88 13:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
There used to be a reference to the video diaries on the first page; now that it's been removed its difficult to find out how many mini-omake (and audio-only drama CDS) were released on CD's. Could someone find the old article (I assume this list has been moved to another page), and post a hyperlink somewhere on the first page. (I think posting it right after the last Sakura arc would do well, but don't put it under the soundtrack page without making a reference to it it on the main Article page, since that'll just confuse readers.) -- Charizardpal 00:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I've seen 3 of them available on youtube, but there may be more. -- Charizardpal 17:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Right now I'm discussing the special attributes of the celestrial elements which the cards fall under. This is seldom discussed, and if I find any citable information I'll add it. It's interesting that unlike in most fantasy series, the elemental cards (Chinese and Greek) both fall under jurisdiction of the Sun, Moon cards. As when Sakura's wood and wind cards (Chinese, and Greek/Chinese) are both deflected during final Judgement by Yue on the basis that they fall under his Jurisdiction as the Moon Guardian.
I don't know how to include this in the article, but so far these are the characters that I've discovered: Sun-Kero, Spinel, Clow Reed (Sakura, 1st-2nd seasons?) Moon-Yue, Touya, Ruby Moon, Clow Reed, Syaron Stars-Sakura in the 3rd season Darkness-Eriol (Clow Reed's reincarnation)
(There may still be others, for example, I'm not sure which element the sorceress from the 1st movie used. It does seem that more people draw from the moon element than any other element.) -- Charizardpal 17:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Their names appear on the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie, where they are listed for dubbing credits. Here the page: Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie on Imdb. I'm pretty sure they can be considered part of the canon, but you can discuss it here. -- 85.18.136.105 10:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Portions of “Title names”, “Broadcasting”, “Intros” and “Voice casts” came from Michael’s Cardcaptors. -- Dynamo_ace 12:05, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
I must insist on gathering more information about the two movies, perhaps even creating a new page for them. Thank you.
It was proposed in February that the media list and Cardcaptors be merged back into the articles. No discussion was every started here, though informal consensus in the project is that the merges will be done. If anyone else wishes to weigh in, please do so, or the merges will be done soon. These merges are highly appropriate as the current splits go against our MoS and do not lend themselves to well formed articles. This is also in keeping with what the project is currently doing in other similar articles, with the most recent example being Tokyo Mew Mew, which has undergone two similar merges and is of a very similar nature in terms of issues with with English release and bad article formats as Cardcaptor Sakura is. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 04:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Cardcaptor Sakura has a ridiculous number of character articles – 22, and those are just the ones the Navbox links to (though I don't actually know if there are any others) – but no central character list. These pages really need to be merged, if anyone wants to undertake the job. — Dino guy 1000 18:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I know Wikipedia is all "we luv spoilers" these days, but I strongly feel that it's inappropriate to have such a huge spoiler as Yue's true identity revealed in the chart of characters, which is a part of the article readers should expect to be able to read without having anything spoiled for them. Therefore instead of "Yue (Yukito)" as it was, I've moved Yukito to the "other characters" section. 91.107.148.232 ( talk) 19:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, you're right; we did touch on the subject. I guess I'd forgotten :). Not sure that there was any definite conclusion drawn, though. - 3loodlust ( talk) 01:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I believe the article Cerberus (Cardcaptor Sakura) needs to be renamed to use the official English name of Keroberos, as per our MoS. Kero is named Keroberos in both the English release manga by Tokyopop and the Geneon anime releases. He is also named Keroberos in the Cardcaptors dub. This, to me, is overwhelming support for using Keroberos for the article name. Google hits also support that Keroberos is the most commonly used name, with nearly 17500 hits for Keroberos "Cardcaptor Sakura" versus 12400 for Cerberus "Cardcaptor Sakura" and 821 for Kerberos "Cardcaptor Sakura" I can see no real reason or purpose for using Cerberus except to try to tie it to the Greek mythology (currently unsourced theory in the main article). If the article is renamed, of course all instances with in the CCS articles should also be fixed. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 20:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Given the evidence? I say we use Cerberus. The other name is confirmed Engrish. Also worth mentioning that if you search for those same terms mentioned above, on Google, but with Card Captor Sakura instead of Cardcaptor Sakura, you get 28k hits for the Cerburus variant and only about 6k for Keroberos. -- erachima talk 23:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Since we've agreed it should be Cerberus, anyone want to help with fixing the names in the various CCS articles? Being consistent throughout would be a good thing. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 03:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E7D71238F933A15752C0A9649C8B63
Found this while looking for some other stuff. Has some good info about the changes between CCS and CC. Noting here incase I forget the link. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
My removal of the NPOV marker seems to be one that isn't being understood. First I admit that I myself am against the dub, mainly on the grounds that it was a hackjob that was changed to suit the sexist needs of a company that in their own words said that the reason they edited it was because "girls don't buy as much merchandise as boys," so they decided to remove all the character development and romance aspects and focus mainly on the action to attract boys to watching it.
The dub lacked any real plot, mainly due to the fact that they wiped out most of it. If we were to focus on the dub, 3/4ths of the article would be gone. I am all for linking the dub's article through the page, but to say we should focus more on a version that was so edited that adding it to the article would cause confusion. We'd have to remove almost everything as it would go against the dub's story, and I'm not for that. AjaaniSherisu ( talk) 05:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
You still haven't answered me on how the article shows "dislike and hatred" for the dub whenever it is mentioned. Nowhere in the whole MOS-AM does it state that a certain medium's information should be spoken about more than others. It does state that "This section can include, as appropriate, separate subsections for information on the original version of the work, as well as any related anime series/OVAs, manga, novels, movies, video games, and other media (such as soundtracks and drama CDs). These sections should, in general, include the original release / broadcast information (as applicable), and English license and release / broadcast information (again, as applicable)." If the MOS-AM really contains what you are saying, please copy and paste the exact words that state it.
The article mentions right in the beginning who created it, what company published it and what magazine it was serialized in as per the Production portion of MOS-AM. AjaaniSherisu ( talk) 07:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I was just looking over the page, and noticed this section listing off all of the cards. Is this list really necessary? The cards have their own page; they don't need to be listed off here too, and to have a long list like this really detracts from the rest of the page in which each section is moderately well organized and presents a definite purpose. I suggest this section either be revised so that it serves a useful purpose, or else be deleted altogether. - 3loodlust ( talk) 16:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice job with the clean-up, AnmaFinotera, the 'plot' section now moves in a much more logical order, and certainly its nice to have an addition of information that's not in-universe for once. It still needs some work (with which i hope I can be more useful than I've been as of late), but this is a major improvement. I think there may be a few spots in need of revision, though. The most obvious of which is in paragraph 6 of the plot summary where it says that the only cards wafting to be changed were Light and Dark. After Eriol reveals himself, he also battles Sakura to force her to transform the Shield and Watery cards as well before she transforms the last pair. Also, there's something about the description of Cerberus and Yue's power at the end of the third paragraph of the plot that seems slightly off. I don't believe that Yue draws all of his power from Sakura, but merely needs her support in addition to the power he draws from the moon. I may well be in error, however; I'll check my translations to be sure, and I'll look up the final transformations in the manga to be certain there as well before I make any corrections. :) - 3loodlust ( talk) 00:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I'm willing to do the merging of the audio part. Now the question is the modalities of that merge.
For the formating proposing to do it in a condensed way, killing the tracks lists and the albums infobox in the process.
For references i'm proposing a 3 references-fuu : 1 to prove existence & release date, 1 to prove the chart peak rank & 1 to prove content/details like lyrics writer, music score writer or arrangement maker.
The consequence is an explosion of the number of references/sources. My last count was around 60.
For sub-section i'm proposing the fellowing one :
Feel free to give your opinion, we are not in hurry. KrebMarkt 19:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
My keybord lapsed when i was wrinting why i undid rev 270424562
Ext link to COPYVIO content & a try to get around the image fair use limitation of the characters list.
--
KrebMarkt
13:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I've heard from people that a new tv series will be released soon in the future. If this is true then why not add a section of speculation? Mostly blogs have been at it. Could we do add it? SonGoku786( talk • contribs) 20:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
There have been tags on this page for quite some time but no discussion has been brought up about how to fix them. Perhaps we should start by discussing the reasons for why such tags are in place. I believe we should remove the reference and intro tags as there are plenty of references on the page and the intro seems to follow the guidelines. AjaaniSherisu ( talk) 07:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)