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Not sure if this really belongs here, or maybe I'm the only one not knowing this - but if my guess is correct that "brl" is a common abbreviation for "barrel", perhaps this should be mentioned somewhere. I've often seen words like "4-brl carb" without ever knowing what "brl" means...-- Cyberman TM ( talk) 10:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
This article is really hard to understand. It seems to start with the assumption of a basic knowledge of how carburetors work and plunges into discussion of the various kinds etc. I know it's difficult to keep the right balance between technical accuracy and accessibility, but this piece copuld do with a much easier lead in to the details. 93.97.194.138 ( talk) 05:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
This article says that the carburetor was invented by Benz, and improved by Bánki-Csonka. Even the source indicated says that they were totally independent inventions, and Bánki-Csonka were first by 6 months.
Sudyke ( talk) 13:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC) sudyke
Here it is written that carburator was invented in 1826 by Luigi De Cristoforis. https://www.essay.uk.com/free-essays/engineering/development-carburetor.php
I propose to move this paragraph under a new heading:
"In the early 1980s, many American-market vehicles used special "feedback" carburetors that could change the base mixture in response to signals from an exhaust gas oxygen sensor. These were mainly used to save costs (since they worked well enough to meet 1980s emissions requirements and were based on existing carburetor designs), but eventually disappeared as falling hardware prices and tighter emissions standards made fuel injection a standard item." Aldo L ( talk) 18:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
The SV1 Carburetor was invented and went into production in 2009 and patents are pending. This new carburetor has won many awards in the racing industry in it's debut year. It deserves a place in the carburetor section. It is a carburetor that has redefined and simplified the way carburetion works. See link www.sv1carb.com, Here is some discussion: http://www.speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18793&sid=183b0f6a56466a27f2cfd6be809b3ab3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljsystem12 ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
The point of this wikipedia section is to make folks aware of the many types of different carburetor designs that have been manufactured in the history of carburetion. It also shows the many different ways in which fuel can be atomized and delivered to the engine. If you are concerned with the fact it is not a departure from current designs, allow me to make you more intimate with the design to improve your understanding. To prove this design is not only different it is better, be aware it won 8 World and National Records and won 6 Championships in its debut year of 2010 (you can delete this data from the facts page). However, no new carburetor design has done that in 40 years since the invention of the Holley Dominator series carburetor. The SV1 was entered against those older four barrel designs and proved itself to be superior to those modes of fuel and air mixing concepts in highly competitive class racing competition. The design is a departure from current modes of thinking in carburetor design. Patent pending atomization bars are the first of its kind that employ shear edges that are located at the venturi centerline (this keeps the fuel from having to be lifted above centerline and dropped back down, like four barrel carbs employ, so the SV1 design is faster to respond to fuel demand changes). The atomization bars more finely atomize the fuel with double the surface area of a conventional booster design and have more even fuel distribution. This is all racetrack and dyno proven data. This booster design also allows the engine to operate typically .5 of a ratio leaner for maximum power as compared to what a four barrel booster design can typically achieve. This improved efficency not only produces power BUT the new style is more responsive to throttle movement as well as it works from the edge of the venturi to the middle. Four barrel designs in comparison require the blade to be fully open before the booster can see maximum signal. The SV1 design allows the booster to see signal from the moment the blade begins to open. This dramatically improves throttle response. Also on four barrel carbs the throttle blade blocks the center of the booster. This delays and hurts signal change response time. On the SV1, signal is generated on both sides of the booster, the blade does not block the signal generation area of the booster, so response time is drastically improved in comparison. Also the design is the first single blade carburetor that feeds idle fuel to the whole perimeter of the blade (360 degrees). This allows for an amazing idle quality that a four barrel carburetor cannot match as no "clean air" is allowed into the engine. On previous single blade carbs and all four barrel carbs, the front of the blade mixes fuel and air, the rear of the blade only allows in air. As a result we have always thought that most high performance engines cannot idle cleanly below the 1100-1200 rpm range. The SV1 design disproved that, with a single blade perimeter transfer and idle feed design (also Patent Pending) that allows a clean 700-800 rpm idle on the same engine design. The design was such a move forward in carburetion that it was immediately BANNED by the SCCA as an unfair advantage and other organizations like the NMCA, NMRA and NHRA followed suit. Those that did not ban the design altogether, required weight and cfm restrictions to allow the four barrel designs to be competitive against the SV1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.130.102 ( talk) 13:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Do we need a stub for this "nifty" classification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.155.110.2 ( talk) 19:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia suffers greatly from the fact that every article has one overseer and he/she rules. They sorely need a way to include various views but they do not have it. The above comment is a good illustration of an important feature that will go unmentioned. Arydberg ( talk) 18:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
It has been my understanding that an accelerator pump or similar function is needed because a richer mixture is needed for combustion at wider throttle but the intake manifold has lean mixture in it. This might be compensated by higher temperature in steady state, but not as the throttle first opens. The article now says that the pump is needed because of the inertia of the fuel. This makes some sense, because the force on the fuel does not increase until the air is already moving faster. However, my feeling for the magnitudes is that the fuel's inertia is not significant. I have not put in numbers, so I am not sure of this, so I am not now making that change now. David R. Ingham ( talk) 05:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
An interesting discussion, this, but we're not really getting anywhere. I'll add some reliable sources to the assertion regarding inertial delay of fuel upon rapid throttle opening. — Scheinwerfermann T· C06:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Accelerator pumps are also used to replenish the film of petrol that is deposited inside the inlet manifold. In constant speed running there is an equilibrium between fuel being deposited on the walls of the manifold and fuel evaporating. When the throttle is closed this evaporates in the near vacuum created, if the throttle is now opened the engine will run lean until the film of petrol is re-established. Constant vacuum carburettors such as the SU do not suffer from any of the effects discussed above, but still need an accelerator pump effect to replenish the film of petrol, this is usually done with a damper on the CV piston or with a true pump on some Ford types. DonSayers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.78.8 ( talk) 16:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
As many as you have provided sunshine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donsayers ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
There may be such a thing as a catalytic carburetor but it is not the same thing as a carburetor used for tractor vaporizing oil (TVO). A TVO carburetor has no catalyst, it just uses heat from the exhaust to vaporize the non-volatile kerosene fuel. Biscuittin ( talk) 13:50, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
There is an error: the patent listed "U.S. Patent 4,177,779 — Fuel economy system for an internal combustion engine — Thomas H. W." is incorrect. "Thomas H. W." must be changed to read: "Thomas H. W. W. P. Ogle". I checked the US Patent link provided and verified that this is the official correct full name for the patent holder. Jopower ( talk) 10:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The history section needs rewriting.
The first carburettors were evapourators in which the fuel was mixed with air by heating and vapouring the fuel. The "modern" type of carburettor came in 1890's.
I have read about the carburettor history in many sources in Internet. The inventor of evapourator seems to be German-born Siegfried Marcus who was possibly the first person testing petrol as fuel for internal combustion engines. His evapourator was patented in 30th of March 1865. In early 1880's he developed a rotating brush system that sprinkled petrol.
As far as I know Karl Benz's first cars were equipped with the evapourator system at least until Benz Viktoria. Would be good to know more in detail what did he and Enrico Bernardi actually invent.
The modern type of atomising carburettor with a butterfly valve was first patented by the Hungarian inventors János Csonka and Donát Bánki. Wilhelm Maybach developed a similar system almost simultaneously but Csonka and Bánki had left their patent application in 11th of February 1893 and Maybach for a few months later in 17th of August in the same year. Maybach later admitted that Csonka and Bánki were the first ones.
However, Siegfried Marcus was of Jewish origin and when national socialists came into power in Germany and Austria all information about him was erased systematically because they could not digest the idea that a such significant invention was created by a Jew. Benz and Maybach were credited for his patents. Nazi's managed well because the false information about the patents still exists in many sources. On the other hand, some pro-Jewish sources have exaggerated the achievements of Marcus posthumously. There are many sources written with different motives which makes it very difficult to find out the truth.
I don't know why Maybach is credited to be the inventor of modern carburettor but it can be also an idea of the Nazis because Csonka's wife was Jew (this is just my theory). -- 192.158.34.21 ( talk) 12:06, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I cannot verify the statement that Luigi de Cristoforis invented the first carburetor. This is noted in a few entries, including Barsanti-Matteucci engine and also here. The folk lore is repeated in several places [1] [6] [7], but without proper reference. The UK patents before 1890 are not online (yet). [8] Perhaps we have a historian with physical access to them. Kyle ( talk) 06:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
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Early Delahayes are described as having surface carburetors. What, exactly, are they? Can somebody add? (And point the link from Delahaye, too?:)) TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
We know that Daimler's patent suit was rejected by British courts in favor of Edward Butler. We know that two Hungarian guys got a patent for a stationary engine carburetor in 1993. The article states those facts. Do we actually have a good source saying "Edward Butler invented the spray carburetor"? The site http://magyarjarmu.hu/emberek/edward-butler-elete-es-munkassaga/ is some blog. Part of this hinges on the difference between "spray carburetor" and "carburetor for a stationary engine", which are two different things.
What's important to understand is that the Maybach carburetor was widely imitated, so it's historical importance is well established. Butlter's came first, but nobody heard of it and it had no influence. Wikipedia often distorts history by over-emphasizing obscure inventors like Butler while missing what was actually going on in the world, which was that the automobile was taking off and Daimler-Maybach's designs were at the center of it. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC) magyarjarmu.hu is my "blog" - a site which shows the results of my 22-year-long research into Hungarian motoring. I linked it because it shows the original Butler patent. Butler was the first with the spray carburetor. Csonka-Banki came in second, the "carburetor for stationary engine" was a spray carburetor. I compared the Butler patent with an original Csonka carburetor. These two are identical. (BTW, speaking of obscure inventors, though fellow Hungarians would be outraged, but the Csonka-Banki carburetor was as obscure as the Butler one as it had no impact on the international automobile industry whatsoever). Third place goes to Maybach, which was another spray carburetor. And you can say that Butler had no influence, but are you sure about that? Butler had numerous patents, its vehicle was featured in the cover of many magazines in the early 1890s. It's your choice how you edit the page, I am just telling you historical facts. Pnegyesi ( talk) 09:57, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
This is mentioned in passing twice; once in an image comment, and once in an image. Explanation would be appreciated!-- 137.205.174.41 ( talk) 17:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The article has nothing about 2-cycle carburetors. They generally have no float bowl, may have a primer bulb (which is widely misunderstood) and some need to work when tilted at odd angles or even upside-down (e.g. for chainsaws or weed trimmers).
Come to think about it, 4-cycle lawnmowers and other small equipment usually do not have a fuel pump, and are not set up for gravity feed of fuel, but have a fuel pumping function built into the carburetor. This also needs to be explained.
Perhaps 2-cycle carburetors should be in a separate article. Gypsydoctor ( talk) 15:17, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Carb is definitely a term used in Australia and New Zealand. It suggests to me that we can remove that note about that being specific to North America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostwickenator ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so I'm not sure how these processes work. I've copied the list of carburettor companies into a new article as I've seen that most lists have dedicated articles.( List of carburetor manufacturers). Apologies if this breaks any rules; please contact me if that's the case. Thanks and stay well. User:EH86055 | User talk:EH86055 | 25/7/2020 —Preceding undated comment added 00:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I was amused by
a "pissing contest" (direct quote) of 2007 in the archive so I created the needed
Colortune article. Not much more than the stub that Scheinwerfermann says (epoch 2007) is needed until I have imaged instruction manuals etc.
Wportre (
talk) 21:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm calling "Citation Needed" on that "burette" business.
I find it highly unlikely that car/burette are the etymological building blocks of the term. It directly contradicts the much more likely source of the word as having something to do with the French "carburant"/"carburateur"-complex of words. I would bet that "car" wasn't even a word that meant anything to engine builders before 1900 (unless it's what we call a "bus" today, but probably drawn by horses...).
To really know what's going on here would involve resarching old literature, and who used "carburet(t)or" first, and how did he come up with it. Everything else is just guesswork.
--
BjKa (
talk) 14:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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Not sure if this really belongs here, or maybe I'm the only one not knowing this - but if my guess is correct that "brl" is a common abbreviation for "barrel", perhaps this should be mentioned somewhere. I've often seen words like "4-brl carb" without ever knowing what "brl" means...-- Cyberman TM ( talk) 10:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
This article is really hard to understand. It seems to start with the assumption of a basic knowledge of how carburetors work and plunges into discussion of the various kinds etc. I know it's difficult to keep the right balance between technical accuracy and accessibility, but this piece copuld do with a much easier lead in to the details. 93.97.194.138 ( talk) 05:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
This article says that the carburetor was invented by Benz, and improved by Bánki-Csonka. Even the source indicated says that they were totally independent inventions, and Bánki-Csonka were first by 6 months.
Sudyke ( talk) 13:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC) sudyke
Here it is written that carburator was invented in 1826 by Luigi De Cristoforis. https://www.essay.uk.com/free-essays/engineering/development-carburetor.php
I propose to move this paragraph under a new heading:
"In the early 1980s, many American-market vehicles used special "feedback" carburetors that could change the base mixture in response to signals from an exhaust gas oxygen sensor. These were mainly used to save costs (since they worked well enough to meet 1980s emissions requirements and were based on existing carburetor designs), but eventually disappeared as falling hardware prices and tighter emissions standards made fuel injection a standard item." Aldo L ( talk) 18:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
The SV1 Carburetor was invented and went into production in 2009 and patents are pending. This new carburetor has won many awards in the racing industry in it's debut year. It deserves a place in the carburetor section. It is a carburetor that has redefined and simplified the way carburetion works. See link www.sv1carb.com, Here is some discussion: http://www.speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18793&sid=183b0f6a56466a27f2cfd6be809b3ab3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljsystem12 ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
The point of this wikipedia section is to make folks aware of the many types of different carburetor designs that have been manufactured in the history of carburetion. It also shows the many different ways in which fuel can be atomized and delivered to the engine. If you are concerned with the fact it is not a departure from current designs, allow me to make you more intimate with the design to improve your understanding. To prove this design is not only different it is better, be aware it won 8 World and National Records and won 6 Championships in its debut year of 2010 (you can delete this data from the facts page). However, no new carburetor design has done that in 40 years since the invention of the Holley Dominator series carburetor. The SV1 was entered against those older four barrel designs and proved itself to be superior to those modes of fuel and air mixing concepts in highly competitive class racing competition. The design is a departure from current modes of thinking in carburetor design. Patent pending atomization bars are the first of its kind that employ shear edges that are located at the venturi centerline (this keeps the fuel from having to be lifted above centerline and dropped back down, like four barrel carbs employ, so the SV1 design is faster to respond to fuel demand changes). The atomization bars more finely atomize the fuel with double the surface area of a conventional booster design and have more even fuel distribution. This is all racetrack and dyno proven data. This booster design also allows the engine to operate typically .5 of a ratio leaner for maximum power as compared to what a four barrel booster design can typically achieve. This improved efficency not only produces power BUT the new style is more responsive to throttle movement as well as it works from the edge of the venturi to the middle. Four barrel designs in comparison require the blade to be fully open before the booster can see maximum signal. The SV1 design allows the booster to see signal from the moment the blade begins to open. This dramatically improves throttle response. Also on four barrel carbs the throttle blade blocks the center of the booster. This delays and hurts signal change response time. On the SV1, signal is generated on both sides of the booster, the blade does not block the signal generation area of the booster, so response time is drastically improved in comparison. Also the design is the first single blade carburetor that feeds idle fuel to the whole perimeter of the blade (360 degrees). This allows for an amazing idle quality that a four barrel carburetor cannot match as no "clean air" is allowed into the engine. On previous single blade carbs and all four barrel carbs, the front of the blade mixes fuel and air, the rear of the blade only allows in air. As a result we have always thought that most high performance engines cannot idle cleanly below the 1100-1200 rpm range. The SV1 design disproved that, with a single blade perimeter transfer and idle feed design (also Patent Pending) that allows a clean 700-800 rpm idle on the same engine design. The design was such a move forward in carburetion that it was immediately BANNED by the SCCA as an unfair advantage and other organizations like the NMCA, NMRA and NHRA followed suit. Those that did not ban the design altogether, required weight and cfm restrictions to allow the four barrel designs to be competitive against the SV1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.130.102 ( talk) 13:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Do we need a stub for this "nifty" classification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.155.110.2 ( talk) 19:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia suffers greatly from the fact that every article has one overseer and he/she rules. They sorely need a way to include various views but they do not have it. The above comment is a good illustration of an important feature that will go unmentioned. Arydberg ( talk) 18:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
It has been my understanding that an accelerator pump or similar function is needed because a richer mixture is needed for combustion at wider throttle but the intake manifold has lean mixture in it. This might be compensated by higher temperature in steady state, but not as the throttle first opens. The article now says that the pump is needed because of the inertia of the fuel. This makes some sense, because the force on the fuel does not increase until the air is already moving faster. However, my feeling for the magnitudes is that the fuel's inertia is not significant. I have not put in numbers, so I am not sure of this, so I am not now making that change now. David R. Ingham ( talk) 05:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
An interesting discussion, this, but we're not really getting anywhere. I'll add some reliable sources to the assertion regarding inertial delay of fuel upon rapid throttle opening. — Scheinwerfermann T· C06:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Accelerator pumps are also used to replenish the film of petrol that is deposited inside the inlet manifold. In constant speed running there is an equilibrium between fuel being deposited on the walls of the manifold and fuel evaporating. When the throttle is closed this evaporates in the near vacuum created, if the throttle is now opened the engine will run lean until the film of petrol is re-established. Constant vacuum carburettors such as the SU do not suffer from any of the effects discussed above, but still need an accelerator pump effect to replenish the film of petrol, this is usually done with a damper on the CV piston or with a true pump on some Ford types. DonSayers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.78.8 ( talk) 16:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
As many as you have provided sunshine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donsayers ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
There may be such a thing as a catalytic carburetor but it is not the same thing as a carburetor used for tractor vaporizing oil (TVO). A TVO carburetor has no catalyst, it just uses heat from the exhaust to vaporize the non-volatile kerosene fuel. Biscuittin ( talk) 13:50, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
There is an error: the patent listed "U.S. Patent 4,177,779 — Fuel economy system for an internal combustion engine — Thomas H. W." is incorrect. "Thomas H. W." must be changed to read: "Thomas H. W. W. P. Ogle". I checked the US Patent link provided and verified that this is the official correct full name for the patent holder. Jopower ( talk) 10:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The history section needs rewriting.
The first carburettors were evapourators in which the fuel was mixed with air by heating and vapouring the fuel. The "modern" type of carburettor came in 1890's.
I have read about the carburettor history in many sources in Internet. The inventor of evapourator seems to be German-born Siegfried Marcus who was possibly the first person testing petrol as fuel for internal combustion engines. His evapourator was patented in 30th of March 1865. In early 1880's he developed a rotating brush system that sprinkled petrol.
As far as I know Karl Benz's first cars were equipped with the evapourator system at least until Benz Viktoria. Would be good to know more in detail what did he and Enrico Bernardi actually invent.
The modern type of atomising carburettor with a butterfly valve was first patented by the Hungarian inventors János Csonka and Donát Bánki. Wilhelm Maybach developed a similar system almost simultaneously but Csonka and Bánki had left their patent application in 11th of February 1893 and Maybach for a few months later in 17th of August in the same year. Maybach later admitted that Csonka and Bánki were the first ones.
However, Siegfried Marcus was of Jewish origin and when national socialists came into power in Germany and Austria all information about him was erased systematically because they could not digest the idea that a such significant invention was created by a Jew. Benz and Maybach were credited for his patents. Nazi's managed well because the false information about the patents still exists in many sources. On the other hand, some pro-Jewish sources have exaggerated the achievements of Marcus posthumously. There are many sources written with different motives which makes it very difficult to find out the truth.
I don't know why Maybach is credited to be the inventor of modern carburettor but it can be also an idea of the Nazis because Csonka's wife was Jew (this is just my theory). -- 192.158.34.21 ( talk) 12:06, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I cannot verify the statement that Luigi de Cristoforis invented the first carburetor. This is noted in a few entries, including Barsanti-Matteucci engine and also here. The folk lore is repeated in several places [1] [6] [7], but without proper reference. The UK patents before 1890 are not online (yet). [8] Perhaps we have a historian with physical access to them. Kyle ( talk) 06:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
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Early Delahayes are described as having surface carburetors. What, exactly, are they? Can somebody add? (And point the link from Delahaye, too?:)) TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
We know that Daimler's patent suit was rejected by British courts in favor of Edward Butler. We know that two Hungarian guys got a patent for a stationary engine carburetor in 1993. The article states those facts. Do we actually have a good source saying "Edward Butler invented the spray carburetor"? The site http://magyarjarmu.hu/emberek/edward-butler-elete-es-munkassaga/ is some blog. Part of this hinges on the difference between "spray carburetor" and "carburetor for a stationary engine", which are two different things.
What's important to understand is that the Maybach carburetor was widely imitated, so it's historical importance is well established. Butlter's came first, but nobody heard of it and it had no influence. Wikipedia often distorts history by over-emphasizing obscure inventors like Butler while missing what was actually going on in the world, which was that the automobile was taking off and Daimler-Maybach's designs were at the center of it. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC) magyarjarmu.hu is my "blog" - a site which shows the results of my 22-year-long research into Hungarian motoring. I linked it because it shows the original Butler patent. Butler was the first with the spray carburetor. Csonka-Banki came in second, the "carburetor for stationary engine" was a spray carburetor. I compared the Butler patent with an original Csonka carburetor. These two are identical. (BTW, speaking of obscure inventors, though fellow Hungarians would be outraged, but the Csonka-Banki carburetor was as obscure as the Butler one as it had no impact on the international automobile industry whatsoever). Third place goes to Maybach, which was another spray carburetor. And you can say that Butler had no influence, but are you sure about that? Butler had numerous patents, its vehicle was featured in the cover of many magazines in the early 1890s. It's your choice how you edit the page, I am just telling you historical facts. Pnegyesi ( talk) 09:57, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
This is mentioned in passing twice; once in an image comment, and once in an image. Explanation would be appreciated!-- 137.205.174.41 ( talk) 17:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The article has nothing about 2-cycle carburetors. They generally have no float bowl, may have a primer bulb (which is widely misunderstood) and some need to work when tilted at odd angles or even upside-down (e.g. for chainsaws or weed trimmers).
Come to think about it, 4-cycle lawnmowers and other small equipment usually do not have a fuel pump, and are not set up for gravity feed of fuel, but have a fuel pumping function built into the carburetor. This also needs to be explained.
Perhaps 2-cycle carburetors should be in a separate article. Gypsydoctor ( talk) 15:17, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Carb is definitely a term used in Australia and New Zealand. It suggests to me that we can remove that note about that being specific to North America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostwickenator ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so I'm not sure how these processes work. I've copied the list of carburettor companies into a new article as I've seen that most lists have dedicated articles.( List of carburetor manufacturers). Apologies if this breaks any rules; please contact me if that's the case. Thanks and stay well. User:EH86055 | User talk:EH86055 | 25/7/2020 —Preceding undated comment added 00:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I was amused by
a "pissing contest" (direct quote) of 2007 in the archive so I created the needed
Colortune article. Not much more than the stub that Scheinwerfermann says (epoch 2007) is needed until I have imaged instruction manuals etc.
Wportre (
talk) 21:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm calling "Citation Needed" on that "burette" business.
I find it highly unlikely that car/burette are the etymological building blocks of the term. It directly contradicts the much more likely source of the word as having something to do with the French "carburant"/"carburateur"-complex of words. I would bet that "car" wasn't even a word that meant anything to engine builders before 1900 (unless it's what we call a "bus" today, but probably drawn by horses...).
To really know what's going on here would involve resarching old literature, and who used "carburet(t)or" first, and how did he come up with it. Everything else is just guesswork.
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