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I moved this page to conform with the style used by other articles ie Capital punishment in the United States, Capital punishment in the United Kingdom and Capital punishment in Canada. Evil Monkey∴ Hello? 04:03, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
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Without any information, the picture seems to support a POV due to its brutal nature. What is the picture about? What year was this? What was the person guilty of? etc etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 ( talk) 10:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
What are all those question marks in paranthesis (sp?) doing sprinkled through the article? I think that either they or the sentences they belong to, if they cannot be verified, should be removed. Brutulf 18:50, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
This article has a tendency to challenge a NPOV. It needs to be copyedited. MyNameIsNotBob 21:10, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
I think the picture of the dead woman is a little too sensational for an NPOV. It's highly repulsive and appears more than a little sympathetic to opponents of capital punishment.
See this guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1568622,00.html bogdan | Talk 21:08, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Wow, I hope this user gets removed for such hate comments. But it fits to what is going on here. The article is being manipulated and stuffed with false Chinese propaganda content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.63.246 ( talk) 01:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
This sentence could be misinterpreted: "China is one of the few countries now using capital punishment, and its rate of executions is disproportionately more common than in any other."
I'd suggest that its changed to "... and its number of executions is higher than any other." Iran, Iraq and Sudan all execute more people each year per capita than China, although China has a higher total number of executions because of its larger population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiembrown ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
If the PRC does not abolish capital punishment within the next 25 years, We can never hope to be a respected world power, never mind a superpower. THe West will continue to walk all over us, as we will be thought of as a barbaric laughingstock of the world, a nation that never fully emerged from the middle ages. 64.222.124.107 ( talk) 22:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Article makes reference to 68 death penalty crimes but BBC reports the number is now 55. Have not changed as I don't know if the list of crimes being referenced is still correct.
87.112.178.244 ( talk) 14:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Apparently there's been a change, passed in February and enacted in August 2011, that reduces the number of crimes: http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-10/27/content_13988709.htm But I don't find enough details to make a proper edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.133.168 ( talk) 20:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
-- 65.75.99.66 ( talk) 14:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)chinese culture is silk cave of seven stars
In this change [2] of the lead, Shrigley changed the emphasis, broadly speaking, to be from death penalty used "for a wide variety of crimes ranging from tax evasion to aggravated murder and drug trafficking" to "usually administered to offenders of serious and violent crimes." My first question is: Do we have evidence that the death penalty is usually administered to offenders of serious and violent crimes? Secondly, do we have evidence that the broad emphasis of reliable sources, when reporting on the death penalty in China, emphasize the way the death penalty is applied in serious and violent crimes, or do they emphasize how it is applied for a "wide variety of crimes ranging from tax evasion... [etc.]" and including violent and serious crimes. The Washington Post article linked obviously emphasizes the latter aspect. TheSoundAndTheFury ( talk) 22:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
"Most death sentences in post-Mao China are meted out to violent criminals. The U.S. Department of State estimates that the "great majority" of persons executed in China have been convicted on "serious nonpolitical crimes."85 The President of the SPC stated in 1988 that more than 90 per cent of death sentences and life sentences were handed out to those convicted of violent crimes.86 Rapists and murderers conprised the majority of those executed in 1978 and 1979.87 Data collected on more than 250 executions carried out in China in mid 1983 reveals that some 80 percent of those executed were violent criminals.88 ... While most condemned criminals in post-Mao China have been convicted of what would be considered extremely serious crimes in other countries, some have been found guilty of petty crimes."Perhaps you could fault the source for being outdated, but my reading of Trevaskes (2008), and the statements I cite to it about recent policy reform, show an unmistakable trend towards reducing death sentences for nonserious, nonviolent crimes. We should base our emphasis on hard data in academic sources, and not on fuzzy impressions of prurient press pieces or hysterical advocacy groups. Shrigley ( talk) 16:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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"Chairman Mao Zedong of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and his government somewhat glorified, to an extent, the death penalty's transient place in the legal system, ". I'd fix it if I had any idea what it means or should say. Or a reference. Midgley ( talk) 15:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
MYao ( talk) 05:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)MYao
Some sources I plan on using for editing the article:
"Death Penalty 2015: Facts and Figures." Death Penalty 2015: Facts and Figures. N.p., n.d. Web. 14 Feb. 2017. This website gives global figures in 2015 regarding the death penalty. It states that executions in China were in the thousands. Hildebrandt, S. "Capital Punishment and Anatomy: History and Ethics of an Ongoing Association." Clinical Anatomy 21.1 (2007): 5-14. Web. This article mentions the lack of ethical and legal restrictions on using the bodies of the executed for medical purposes. There is also documentation on the harvesting of organs from the executed. Hood, R. "Capital Punishment: A Global Perspective." Punishment & Society 3.3 (2001): 331-54. Web. This article discusses the global movement towards abolishing capital punishment and explains to some extent the defiance of countries that still retain the death penalty in the face of international pressure. Jiang, Shanhe, and Jin Wang. "Correlates of Support for Capital Punishment in China." International Criminal Justice Review 18.1 (2008): 24-38. Web. This article gives an insight into the public's view on capital punishment. The study showed that the surveyed college students had a strong support for capital punishment. Liang, B. "Sources of Variation in Pro-Death Penalty Attitudes in China: An Exploratory Study of Chinese Students at Home and Abroad." British Journal of Criminology 46.1 (2005): 119-30. Web. The article examines the attitudes of students in China in regards to the death penalty. Miao, Michelle. "Capital Punishment in China: A Populist Instrument of Social Governance." Theoretical Criminology 17.2 (2013): 233-50. Web. The article discusses establishing political party legitimacy using capital punishment. Ning, Zhang. "The Political Origins of Death Penalty Exceptionalism: Mao Zedong and the Practice of Capital Punishment in Contemporary China." Punishment & Society 10.2 (2008): 117-36. Web. This article discusses how Mao Zedong affected the current Communist legal system. Scobell, Andrew. "The Death Penalty in Post-Mao China." The China Quarterly 123 (1990): 503. Web. Capital punishment has had a long history in China and remains an integral part of the Chinese legal system.
MYao ( talk) 02:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)MYao
Great work on this article! You have included a lot of scholarly sources from a variety of perspectives that lead to a broad and nuanced coverage of the issue. I am particularly impressed by the “support” and “criticism” sections. Two areas that the article could be improved is in neutrality (especially in the “rates of execution” section) and readability (especially in the “legal procedure” and “executions procedure” sections). I’ve included some specific suggestions in the peer review document. Overall, great job with this article! I’m impressed and look forward to reading the rest of your work. Rjpg12 ( talk) 02:07, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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This is a wildly confusing paragraph: "Amnesty International claims that Mainland China executes more people than all other countries combined,[9] though if China's very large population is taken into account, the number of executions per capita is comparable to Vietnam and Thailand, and much lower than several countries, including Saudi Arabia, Iran and the United States....According to the Dui Hua Foundation, a U.S.-based organization, the estimated number of executions has declined steadily in the twenty-first century, from 12,000 each year to supposedly 2,400" The US executes less than 100 people per year, and averages more like 40-50 in the past decade or two. On a per capita basis that would be equivalent to about 200 people per year in China, or at most 400 people in peak years, which is way less than the 2,400 that the Dui Hua Foundation attributes to China. Jess_Riedel ( talk)
The page is currently under a vandalist attack. It is extremely annoying. The changed info is very important and I have spend a great deal of time and research to find it and properly source it as well. I hope I am not the only editor appreciating proper and correct content on a serious issue like this.
If the vandalism (which hints at political propaganda) persists, I really hope we can lock the page. RhinoMind ( talk) 13:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Would be nice if a table could be used to show the change per year here. 2A02:8388:1600:A200:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F ( talk) 09:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
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I moved this page to conform with the style used by other articles ie Capital punishment in the United States, Capital punishment in the United Kingdom and Capital punishment in Canada. Evil Monkey∴ Hello? 04:03, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
Valuable page! Glenlarson
Without any information, the picture seems to support a POV due to its brutal nature. What is the picture about? What year was this? What was the person guilty of? etc etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 ( talk) 10:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
What are all those question marks in paranthesis (sp?) doing sprinkled through the article? I think that either they or the sentences they belong to, if they cannot be verified, should be removed. Brutulf 18:50, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
This article has a tendency to challenge a NPOV. It needs to be copyedited. MyNameIsNotBob 21:10, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
I think the picture of the dead woman is a little too sensational for an NPOV. It's highly repulsive and appears more than a little sympathetic to opponents of capital punishment.
See this guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1568622,00.html bogdan | Talk 21:08, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Wow, I hope this user gets removed for such hate comments. But it fits to what is going on here. The article is being manipulated and stuffed with false Chinese propaganda content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.63.246 ( talk) 01:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
This sentence could be misinterpreted: "China is one of the few countries now using capital punishment, and its rate of executions is disproportionately more common than in any other."
I'd suggest that its changed to "... and its number of executions is higher than any other." Iran, Iraq and Sudan all execute more people each year per capita than China, although China has a higher total number of executions because of its larger population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiembrown ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
If the PRC does not abolish capital punishment within the next 25 years, We can never hope to be a respected world power, never mind a superpower. THe West will continue to walk all over us, as we will be thought of as a barbaric laughingstock of the world, a nation that never fully emerged from the middle ages. 64.222.124.107 ( talk) 22:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Article makes reference to 68 death penalty crimes but BBC reports the number is now 55. Have not changed as I don't know if the list of crimes being referenced is still correct.
87.112.178.244 ( talk) 14:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Apparently there's been a change, passed in February and enacted in August 2011, that reduces the number of crimes: http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-10/27/content_13988709.htm But I don't find enough details to make a proper edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.133.168 ( talk) 20:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
-- 65.75.99.66 ( talk) 14:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)chinese culture is silk cave of seven stars
In this change [2] of the lead, Shrigley changed the emphasis, broadly speaking, to be from death penalty used "for a wide variety of crimes ranging from tax evasion to aggravated murder and drug trafficking" to "usually administered to offenders of serious and violent crimes." My first question is: Do we have evidence that the death penalty is usually administered to offenders of serious and violent crimes? Secondly, do we have evidence that the broad emphasis of reliable sources, when reporting on the death penalty in China, emphasize the way the death penalty is applied in serious and violent crimes, or do they emphasize how it is applied for a "wide variety of crimes ranging from tax evasion... [etc.]" and including violent and serious crimes. The Washington Post article linked obviously emphasizes the latter aspect. TheSoundAndTheFury ( talk) 22:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
"Most death sentences in post-Mao China are meted out to violent criminals. The U.S. Department of State estimates that the "great majority" of persons executed in China have been convicted on "serious nonpolitical crimes."85 The President of the SPC stated in 1988 that more than 90 per cent of death sentences and life sentences were handed out to those convicted of violent crimes.86 Rapists and murderers conprised the majority of those executed in 1978 and 1979.87 Data collected on more than 250 executions carried out in China in mid 1983 reveals that some 80 percent of those executed were violent criminals.88 ... While most condemned criminals in post-Mao China have been convicted of what would be considered extremely serious crimes in other countries, some have been found guilty of petty crimes."Perhaps you could fault the source for being outdated, but my reading of Trevaskes (2008), and the statements I cite to it about recent policy reform, show an unmistakable trend towards reducing death sentences for nonserious, nonviolent crimes. We should base our emphasis on hard data in academic sources, and not on fuzzy impressions of prurient press pieces or hysterical advocacy groups. Shrigley ( talk) 16:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Capital punishment in Washingtonwhich affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Marcus Qwertyus ( talk) 00:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Taxation in the People's Republic of China which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 17:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
"Chairman Mao Zedong of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and his government somewhat glorified, to an extent, the death penalty's transient place in the legal system, ". I'd fix it if I had any idea what it means or should say. Or a reference. Midgley ( talk) 15:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
MYao ( talk) 05:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)MYao
Some sources I plan on using for editing the article:
"Death Penalty 2015: Facts and Figures." Death Penalty 2015: Facts and Figures. N.p., n.d. Web. 14 Feb. 2017. This website gives global figures in 2015 regarding the death penalty. It states that executions in China were in the thousands. Hildebrandt, S. "Capital Punishment and Anatomy: History and Ethics of an Ongoing Association." Clinical Anatomy 21.1 (2007): 5-14. Web. This article mentions the lack of ethical and legal restrictions on using the bodies of the executed for medical purposes. There is also documentation on the harvesting of organs from the executed. Hood, R. "Capital Punishment: A Global Perspective." Punishment & Society 3.3 (2001): 331-54. Web. This article discusses the global movement towards abolishing capital punishment and explains to some extent the defiance of countries that still retain the death penalty in the face of international pressure. Jiang, Shanhe, and Jin Wang. "Correlates of Support for Capital Punishment in China." International Criminal Justice Review 18.1 (2008): 24-38. Web. This article gives an insight into the public's view on capital punishment. The study showed that the surveyed college students had a strong support for capital punishment. Liang, B. "Sources of Variation in Pro-Death Penalty Attitudes in China: An Exploratory Study of Chinese Students at Home and Abroad." British Journal of Criminology 46.1 (2005): 119-30. Web. The article examines the attitudes of students in China in regards to the death penalty. Miao, Michelle. "Capital Punishment in China: A Populist Instrument of Social Governance." Theoretical Criminology 17.2 (2013): 233-50. Web. The article discusses establishing political party legitimacy using capital punishment. Ning, Zhang. "The Political Origins of Death Penalty Exceptionalism: Mao Zedong and the Practice of Capital Punishment in Contemporary China." Punishment & Society 10.2 (2008): 117-36. Web. This article discusses how Mao Zedong affected the current Communist legal system. Scobell, Andrew. "The Death Penalty in Post-Mao China." The China Quarterly 123 (1990): 503. Web. Capital punishment has had a long history in China and remains an integral part of the Chinese legal system.
MYao ( talk) 02:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)MYao
Great work on this article! You have included a lot of scholarly sources from a variety of perspectives that lead to a broad and nuanced coverage of the issue. I am particularly impressed by the “support” and “criticism” sections. Two areas that the article could be improved is in neutrality (especially in the “rates of execution” section) and readability (especially in the “legal procedure” and “executions procedure” sections). I’ve included some specific suggestions in the peer review document. Overall, great job with this article! I’m impressed and look forward to reading the rest of your work. Rjpg12 ( talk) 02:07, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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This is a wildly confusing paragraph: "Amnesty International claims that Mainland China executes more people than all other countries combined,[9] though if China's very large population is taken into account, the number of executions per capita is comparable to Vietnam and Thailand, and much lower than several countries, including Saudi Arabia, Iran and the United States....According to the Dui Hua Foundation, a U.S.-based organization, the estimated number of executions has declined steadily in the twenty-first century, from 12,000 each year to supposedly 2,400" The US executes less than 100 people per year, and averages more like 40-50 in the past decade or two. On a per capita basis that would be equivalent to about 200 people per year in China, or at most 400 people in peak years, which is way less than the 2,400 that the Dui Hua Foundation attributes to China. Jess_Riedel ( talk)
The page is currently under a vandalist attack. It is extremely annoying. The changed info is very important and I have spend a great deal of time and research to find it and properly source it as well. I hope I am not the only editor appreciating proper and correct content on a serious issue like this.
If the vandalism (which hints at political propaganda) persists, I really hope we can lock the page. RhinoMind ( talk) 13:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Would be nice if a table could be used to show the change per year here. 2A02:8388:1600:A200:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F ( talk) 09:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)