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Remove it because it's just stupid. It's an administrative region and if you read the link that redirects it to the Wiki Tokyo site, it specifical says it's not a city! Change it if you want the article to be correct.
-G
I followed a link in the Secular Medieval Architecture section and ended-up with the political definition of capital. For those of you who have suffered the same fate, here is the correct link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_(architecture)
Although, I don't see what is circular about definining a political or economic capital. It is the major (jointly or alone) or sole location of decision making processes. Or perhaps I am being overly simplistic? Also, I tend to think not only in terms of modern society, but also ancient and medieval as well.
Brendan Sullivan
Can a capital be the entirety of an entity? — Insta ntnood 04:01 Mar 2 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry but Montréal is not a capital, so it should be erased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.84.35 ( talk) 22:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The city of Rio de Janeiro was never corrupt. The Brazilian politicians wanted to move away from the eyes of the population, when they moved to Brasília. The politicians were the ones corrupt in that case not the city itself.
it was never corrupt no matter what anyone says.
---new user--- also, isnt a political capital spelled c-a-p-i-t-O-l —Preceding unsigned comment added by Candypro6886 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed Political capital redirects here. I was searching for the things politicians spend, such as when they nominate Supreme Court Justices who are close friends. Wonder why this is not covered? Is it a neologism? [[User:JonMoore|— —Jo nMo ore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 02:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Some of the largest cities in the world are not national capitals. The largest capital cities in each continent, by urban/metropolitan area are: South America: Buenos Aires (13,349,000) Buenos Aires is the capital of Argentina. The biggest city of South America was supposed to be São Paulo... Diotti 02:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I came here from political philosopy section, looking for capital (economic). There are different meaning of capital and it certainly deserve disambiguation page. I don't know how though. FWBOarticle
Stop it. Ottawa, the capital of Canada, is in the province of Ontario. It does not have its own jurisdiction, thus it is not a "neutral" city. This is the third time I have corrected the article because of this. Jareand 06:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I can find at least one problem with that map. The capital of Trinidad and Tobago ( Port of Spain) is not it's largest city. The largest city in the country is Chaguanas (pop. 67,433), next is San Fernando (pop. 55,419) and then is Port of Spain with a population of 49,031. Jvlm.123 16:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Actualy, there is at least an other big mistake: Canada. The federal capital, Ottawa, with a population of 859,704 is only the 4th largest city in Canada, after Toronto (2,481,494), Montréal (1,583,590) and Calgary (991,759). Boris Crépeau 11:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
In many cases, It is appropriate to list Russia and especially Moscow as European. I do not beleive, however, that if I was looking for the largest European capital, Moscow would be quite the kind of answer for which I was looking. I was looking for that information, actually. I think it's London, but I'm not sure. Euroster 23:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.117.157.7 ( talk) 22:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
The government of South Korea announced in 2004 it would move its capital from Seoul to Yeongi-Gongju — even though the word Seoul itself means "capital" in the Korean language.
1. I don't think this is true. Seoul will stay the capital of Korea. 2. I doubt Seoul means "capital" in the Korean language. I asked a Korean and she confirmed 'soo-do'.
Who can confirm this?
see Article 7 of Constitution of Montenegro. 217.198.224.13 21:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The city with the largest population in South America is São Paulo, not Buenos Aires.
Seeing as neither the USA or Canada has its capital as its largest city, but the vast majority of people on the Internet are USAns, and Canada is a good second, which leads to an image that USAns and Canadians do not know, or care, much about the world outside North America, does this mean that they consider the capital not being the largest city as entirely natural and would be completely astonished if they were to learn that the vast majority of the world's countries do, in fact, have their capital as their largest city? JIP | Talk 19:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC) I don't think the vast majority of people on the Internet are American actually - China has overtaken US on Internet usage. Additionally Canada will be well behind UK, Germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.97.11 ( talk) 22:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The population for largest capital cities is wrong. When we are talking about capital cities, we should just consider the city population, not the population of the metro area of them. If so, Tehran has more population as it has 14,000,000 and Tokyo has 12,570,000.
For example according to wikipedia the population of these cities are:
Secondly, I live in Tokyo and I am sure Tokyo has not 21,370,000 people population. Its Population is 8,520,000 in special 23 wards and for the metro area it is 12,570,000 people.
And at last, why we have US capital here? Is the US a new continent? I think if we are talking about regions, we should consider regions much bigger than single countries like the Middle East, Western Europe, and the Eastern Europe. -- Najand 20:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The picture shows that Belgium is NOT a country whose capital city is not the most populous city. That is wrong; Brussels, the capital of Belgium, has only got around the 140,000 inhabitants, while Antwerp, the biggest city in Belgium, has got around the 470,000 inhabitants. Brussels has a larger agglomeration, but if only the city self is counted, Brussels is the fifth city of Belgium (Antwerp, Ghent, Charleroi and Liege are all bigger than Brussels). I hope to see the picture is changed, or perhaps the picture should even be removed, for it is not a correct one. -- Robster1983 15:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be of some usage if there was an explanation to the difference between capital and capitol. Reginmund 05:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
a capital can also be the capital of ta major company and it can also be..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.123.207.50 ( talk) 21:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Are Capitol[ian] an capital realy related? I don't think so, they're merely similar in writing, Capitol is a name of hill, capital comes from head - coincidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.87.148.196 ( talk) 06:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
They are both etymologically related to "caput", Latin for "head". According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "capitol", as applied to a building, meant literally a "citadel on the head or top of a hill", after the building for which the Capitoline Hill was named. Its use to name a kind of building is its sole use. — Largo Plazo ( talk) 14:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Please pay attention that "the capital of a sovereign country which is farthest from the nearest other country's capital" is not the same as "the greatest distance between the capitals of two countries that share a border". We are talking about different categories. Both are correct.
An example should make it crystal clear: Pyongyang is only 197 Km far from Seoul, 810 Km from Beijing, 1300 Km from Tokyo, and so on. But the closest other capital Wellington is Canberra, 2330 Km far away. Do you understand the difference? Luis wiki ( talk) 20:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The introduction should be changed to reflect that while the capital is most commonly the seat of government it is not always the case. An example is the Netherlands. The capital is Amsterdam but the seat of government is The Hague. Indeed, one can argue that the definition of capital as described in this WP article and most dictionaries is in fact incorrect. AJKGORDON «» 17:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
What is the purpose of having students memorize lists of names of capitals? Are they really that important? Once you know the name of a capital, what else do you know about it? (nothing). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 ( talk) 20:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
So you can do well on Sporcle quizzes. Redsxfenway ( talk) 17:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
The three above mentioned countries all apply to the map showing states whose largest city is not the capital. However, they are not colored in orange.
Two of these states were mentioned already much earlier on this talk page and nobody capable seemed to care enough to amend the map. Also no discussion arose from the mention of the flaw. Since it appears impossible to maintain the desired level of quality regarding this map, I propose to take it out. Of course, I would be more than happy if someone could fix the mentioned problems and color those countries. After all, I am not against this map per se.
Tomeasy
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15:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
This section has grown to a long list of all sorts of peculiarities. I would like to propose to either, take the list completely out and integrate its (as far as appropriate) information into List of countries with multiple capitals, which is anyways linked from this section. Or, to restrict ourselves to at least existing sovereign states. Now we have historical cases, like the colony Bechuanaland, protectorats like American Samoa, and first level subdivisions like Punjab. If we allow all these cases than, I am afraid, the list might be extended ad infinitum. Tomeasy talk 16:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The section on unconventional capital cities discusses London, and particularly the fact that neiher parliament nor any royal palaces are contained in the City of London. While this is true, 'City of London' is the medieval city, and is just a small part of the modern city of London (note the capitalisation!). The UK's parliament, principal government buildings and main royal palace are all located in London. Any thoughts? TheAstonishingBadger ( talk) 04:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
These aren't technically the closest capitals because The Vatican city isn't really a capital city but an entire country. Bratslavia and Vienna are thus the closest together capitals in europe and the wording should reflect these two points.( Morcus ( talk) 02:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC))
The section Capital (political)#Largest national capital cities lacks citation. Therefore, I had put a template on this section a while ago. This section is inviting people to change data according to their feeling. We constantly observe cities being exchanged (i.e. different opinions on which is the largest city of a region) and figures being changed (i.e. people make a city smaller or larger). This is somehow inherent to th topic of this section. The problem might even prevail if sources were provided, as different sources report quite different population data. However, without references it's a complete mess.
If nobody can provide sources for at least half of the entries within a month, I will remove the section. References are needed that back up the reported figure as well as the claim that the city is the largest in the region. Tomeasy T C 08:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Isn't this trivia? What useful purpose does it serve?
The mention that the Vatican City is the nearest "capital" city to Rome contradicts the point made earlier in the article that, as the Vatican City is a city-state, it does not have a capital city distinct from the country itself (and hence it is meaningless to talk about the capital city of the Vatican City). — 217.46.147.13 ( talk) 17:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The intro says: "Capitals are sometimes sited to discourage further growth in an existing major city. Brasília was situated in Brazil's interior because the old capital, Rio de Janeiro, and southeastern Brazil in general, were considered over-crowded."
Is there a source for this statement? Because the article about Brasilia says that "President Juscelino Kubitschek ordered the construction of Brasília, fulfilling an article of the country's constitution stating that the capital should be moved from Rio de Janeiro to a place close to the center of the country" -- Yerpo ( talk) 19:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
List of capitals by area is not yet write (11 january 2009), here we have List of European capital cities by area, copy paste and expand that, i think area of a capital city is a revevant point, thank you, please up the area of capital of your nation to the list. (sorry i not logged in that languaje of wikipedia, i can read that;))-- 201.255.37.223 ( talk) 15:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
It appears that the definition of capital in the article "the area of a country, province, region, or state, regarded as enjoying primary status" is unsatisfactory. The meaning of primary status is unclear - what is primary status and who defines it? In the case of The Netherlands it appears that Amsterdam is the capital because it says so in the constitution, even though Amsterdam has no particular role in the government of the country. In the case of Canada, Brasil and Australia, at least, the seat of government defines the capital although the city in which the government resides has self-evidently no "primary status" within the country, apart from being the seat of government. With due respect to the citizens of Ottawa, Brasilia and Canberra, their cities are very minor in the scheme of things. Indeed Brasilia and Canberra did not exist until it was decided to move the government to that location. Accordingly, primary status is not an adequate definition of capital and in common language capital means the seat of government and nothing else.
I suggest that capital is redefined as the seat of government (parliament or executive, if no parliament exists) and that anomalies such as The Netherlands are singled out. For example, "although Amsterdam is defined as the capital of the Netherlands in the constitution, it has no particular role in government and therefore The Hague is the de facto capital". Indeed, in Dutch, the word in the constitution translated into English as "capital" may have a different meaning to political capital. Perhaps a native Dutch speaker could advise?
203.1.16.193 ( talk) 10:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Frank Formby
It is a bit surreal to see people discussing whether Amsterdam should be regarded as the capital of the Netherlands on the basis of encyclopedia and disctionary definitions when you happen to live there. But you asked for input by native speaker, which I am.
The Dutch word for capital is "hoofdstad", literally translating as "head city" or "main city". This is the word that is used for all capital cities in the world, and also for Amsterdam (I checked the constitution: also there).
Dutch children learn at school that Amsterdam is the capital of their country, whereas I doubt whether an 8-year old would know that the government is in The Hague. By the way, not that it really matters, Amsterdam does have a specific role in the state organisation: according to the constitution, the King/Queen must be crowned there, by which he/she becomes the Head of State.
HStreek ( talk) 11:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.53.138 ( talk) 22:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
QUOTE: "Not to be confused with LOHAS Park." Relevant? -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 11:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 19:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Capital (political) →
Capital city — To avoid confusion with the completely unrelated concept of
political capital, which the extremely ambiguous "(political)" disambiguation seems to imply. Capital city is a perfectly common and unambiguous term for a country's seat of government, and all national capitals are by their very nature cities anyway. The differences in terminology can be noted in the article itself. —
84.92.117.93 (
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16:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need all the lower sections regarding distances between capitals et cetera? Unsourced WP:OR aside, I don't see how any of this is relevant or important to the topic itself, other than being a fun trivial fact to know. Do we really need these points in an encyclopedic article? -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 06:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
So the distance between the Pitcairn Islands and London is rather great. That's kinda cute, but while the PI may not be sovereign, their capital city is still Adamstown. Hence I'm much in favor of removing this. And the entire section, because that's rather pointless trivia. -- MushroomCloud ( talk) 14:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I second that -- and for the additional reason that the Pitcairn Islands are NOT a part of the UK as the article says. There is a very important difference (which many people seem unable to comprehend) between being a part of of a country and being a dependent territory of a country. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all parts of the UK; the Pitcairn Islands, the Cayman Islands, pre-1997 Hong Kong etc etc are most decidedly NOT. Not only is it pointless trivia, it is factually incorrect. Apodeictic ( talk) 00:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The article says that the capital which is farthest from its country's largest city is Hanoi, Vietnam (largest city is Ho Chi Minh City). However, putting the distance into GPS Visualizer gives a shorter distance than the one listed, and the distance between New Delhi, India and Mumbai appears to be slightly longer. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Neither Frankfurt nor Heidelberg nor Bonn is a capital of a German Land (state). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.0.192.120 ( talk) 18:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I think this makes sense since there are a number of capitals that are not cities: London, Brussels, etc. Also, the word "capital" by itself means "seat of government" according to some dictionaries (Legal Dictionary, World English Dictionary, according to dictionary.com). The article itself does mention that a capital is usually a city, but does not need to. What do you guys think about renaming the article to capital instead of capital city? Gabiteodoru ( talk) 17:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page not moved. NW ( Talk) 03:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Capital city →
Capital — There are a number of capitals that are not cities: London, Brussels, etc. Also, the word "capital" by itself means "seat of government" according to some dictionaries (Legal Dictionary, World English Dictionary, according to dictionary.com). The article itself does mention that a capital is usually a city, but does not need to..--
Gabiteodoru (
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04:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, point taken. However, the other articles say for example Capital (architecture) as opposed to Column capital. So let's be consistent: what about renaming the article to Capital (government) or Capital (politics), or something else of that form? Gabiteodoru ( talk) 13:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
What about National Capital or National Capital (government)?
Luis wiki (
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18:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I see that a Capital (political) page already exists, although it redirects here. Gabiteodoru ( talk) 23:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Does a capital have to be statutorily defined by legislation(s)? Is there any law that provide for London to be the capital of the UK, e.g.? And what about Wellington, Adamstown, Edinburgh, Melbourne, Paris, Munich, etc.? 203.198.26.23 ( talk) 09:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Would it be interesting to highlight a list of capitals that are / are not statotorily defined? The latter is the case in many English-speaking countries, as well as former British posessions such as Valletta, and cases like Lisbon. I'd suppose the latter is comparatively rarer. 58.153.97.145 ( talk) 22:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Would be worthwhile clarifying how capital cities are recognised. Or do they need to be recognised? For example, Jerusalem is a disputed city in that the UN says it's not, Israel says it is. There have been a few complaints to the BBC because they didn't list Jerusalem as Israel's capital for their pages on the Olympics. ( http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1424/according_to_the_bbc_israel_has_no_capital_city) 92.27.94.107 ( talk) 10:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
how about Nicosia ? פארוק ( talk) 18:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed the whole section as dubious unreferenced original research. Eg., speculations that the capital "was easy to move" yet kept. Also, capital restored to Moscow by Bolsheviks because StPetersburg was very vulnerable location. They would have been very much happy to leave the capital at the what they called "The Craddle of the Revolution", i.e., the logic of selection was exctly the opposite to this section title. And so on. Please do not restore without solid references. Staszek Lem ( talk) 18:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I thought it might be simple simple to prefix Jerusalem with "Ancient" to avoid the present conflict, but that doesn't jibe with what was contained in the parenthetical content, so I deleted the parenthetical content. The mention under the Origins" section of this article is unproblematic, but implying that to the present is problematic.
See the related discussion at Jerusalem talk page.-- Ubikwit ( talk) 10:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit
What does "findings" mean here? I understand it to mean "discoveries", but it's a bit hard to lose track of something as big as the Western Wall, so presumably it's not that. Marnanel ( talk)
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Remove it because it's just stupid. It's an administrative region and if you read the link that redirects it to the Wiki Tokyo site, it specifical says it's not a city! Change it if you want the article to be correct.
-G
I followed a link in the Secular Medieval Architecture section and ended-up with the political definition of capital. For those of you who have suffered the same fate, here is the correct link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_(architecture)
Although, I don't see what is circular about definining a political or economic capital. It is the major (jointly or alone) or sole location of decision making processes. Or perhaps I am being overly simplistic? Also, I tend to think not only in terms of modern society, but also ancient and medieval as well.
Brendan Sullivan
Can a capital be the entirety of an entity? — Insta ntnood 04:01 Mar 2 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry but Montréal is not a capital, so it should be erased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.84.35 ( talk) 22:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The city of Rio de Janeiro was never corrupt. The Brazilian politicians wanted to move away from the eyes of the population, when they moved to Brasília. The politicians were the ones corrupt in that case not the city itself.
it was never corrupt no matter what anyone says.
---new user--- also, isnt a political capital spelled c-a-p-i-t-O-l —Preceding unsigned comment added by Candypro6886 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed Political capital redirects here. I was searching for the things politicians spend, such as when they nominate Supreme Court Justices who are close friends. Wonder why this is not covered? Is it a neologism? [[User:JonMoore|— —Jo nMo ore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 02:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Some of the largest cities in the world are not national capitals. The largest capital cities in each continent, by urban/metropolitan area are: South America: Buenos Aires (13,349,000) Buenos Aires is the capital of Argentina. The biggest city of South America was supposed to be São Paulo... Diotti 02:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I came here from political philosopy section, looking for capital (economic). There are different meaning of capital and it certainly deserve disambiguation page. I don't know how though. FWBOarticle
Stop it. Ottawa, the capital of Canada, is in the province of Ontario. It does not have its own jurisdiction, thus it is not a "neutral" city. This is the third time I have corrected the article because of this. Jareand 06:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I can find at least one problem with that map. The capital of Trinidad and Tobago ( Port of Spain) is not it's largest city. The largest city in the country is Chaguanas (pop. 67,433), next is San Fernando (pop. 55,419) and then is Port of Spain with a population of 49,031. Jvlm.123 16:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Actualy, there is at least an other big mistake: Canada. The federal capital, Ottawa, with a population of 859,704 is only the 4th largest city in Canada, after Toronto (2,481,494), Montréal (1,583,590) and Calgary (991,759). Boris Crépeau 11:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
In many cases, It is appropriate to list Russia and especially Moscow as European. I do not beleive, however, that if I was looking for the largest European capital, Moscow would be quite the kind of answer for which I was looking. I was looking for that information, actually. I think it's London, but I'm not sure. Euroster 23:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.117.157.7 ( talk) 22:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
The government of South Korea announced in 2004 it would move its capital from Seoul to Yeongi-Gongju — even though the word Seoul itself means "capital" in the Korean language.
1. I don't think this is true. Seoul will stay the capital of Korea. 2. I doubt Seoul means "capital" in the Korean language. I asked a Korean and she confirmed 'soo-do'.
Who can confirm this?
see Article 7 of Constitution of Montenegro. 217.198.224.13 21:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The city with the largest population in South America is São Paulo, not Buenos Aires.
Seeing as neither the USA or Canada has its capital as its largest city, but the vast majority of people on the Internet are USAns, and Canada is a good second, which leads to an image that USAns and Canadians do not know, or care, much about the world outside North America, does this mean that they consider the capital not being the largest city as entirely natural and would be completely astonished if they were to learn that the vast majority of the world's countries do, in fact, have their capital as their largest city? JIP | Talk 19:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC) I don't think the vast majority of people on the Internet are American actually - China has overtaken US on Internet usage. Additionally Canada will be well behind UK, Germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.97.11 ( talk) 22:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The population for largest capital cities is wrong. When we are talking about capital cities, we should just consider the city population, not the population of the metro area of them. If so, Tehran has more population as it has 14,000,000 and Tokyo has 12,570,000.
For example according to wikipedia the population of these cities are:
Secondly, I live in Tokyo and I am sure Tokyo has not 21,370,000 people population. Its Population is 8,520,000 in special 23 wards and for the metro area it is 12,570,000 people.
And at last, why we have US capital here? Is the US a new continent? I think if we are talking about regions, we should consider regions much bigger than single countries like the Middle East, Western Europe, and the Eastern Europe. -- Najand 20:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The picture shows that Belgium is NOT a country whose capital city is not the most populous city. That is wrong; Brussels, the capital of Belgium, has only got around the 140,000 inhabitants, while Antwerp, the biggest city in Belgium, has got around the 470,000 inhabitants. Brussels has a larger agglomeration, but if only the city self is counted, Brussels is the fifth city of Belgium (Antwerp, Ghent, Charleroi and Liege are all bigger than Brussels). I hope to see the picture is changed, or perhaps the picture should even be removed, for it is not a correct one. -- Robster1983 15:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be of some usage if there was an explanation to the difference between capital and capitol. Reginmund 05:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
a capital can also be the capital of ta major company and it can also be..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.123.207.50 ( talk) 21:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Are Capitol[ian] an capital realy related? I don't think so, they're merely similar in writing, Capitol is a name of hill, capital comes from head - coincidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.87.148.196 ( talk) 06:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
They are both etymologically related to "caput", Latin for "head". According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "capitol", as applied to a building, meant literally a "citadel on the head or top of a hill", after the building for which the Capitoline Hill was named. Its use to name a kind of building is its sole use. — Largo Plazo ( talk) 14:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Please pay attention that "the capital of a sovereign country which is farthest from the nearest other country's capital" is not the same as "the greatest distance between the capitals of two countries that share a border". We are talking about different categories. Both are correct.
An example should make it crystal clear: Pyongyang is only 197 Km far from Seoul, 810 Km from Beijing, 1300 Km from Tokyo, and so on. But the closest other capital Wellington is Canberra, 2330 Km far away. Do you understand the difference? Luis wiki ( talk) 20:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The introduction should be changed to reflect that while the capital is most commonly the seat of government it is not always the case. An example is the Netherlands. The capital is Amsterdam but the seat of government is The Hague. Indeed, one can argue that the definition of capital as described in this WP article and most dictionaries is in fact incorrect. AJKGORDON «» 17:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
What is the purpose of having students memorize lists of names of capitals? Are they really that important? Once you know the name of a capital, what else do you know about it? (nothing). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 ( talk) 20:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
So you can do well on Sporcle quizzes. Redsxfenway ( talk) 17:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
The three above mentioned countries all apply to the map showing states whose largest city is not the capital. However, they are not colored in orange.
Two of these states were mentioned already much earlier on this talk page and nobody capable seemed to care enough to amend the map. Also no discussion arose from the mention of the flaw. Since it appears impossible to maintain the desired level of quality regarding this map, I propose to take it out. Of course, I would be more than happy if someone could fix the mentioned problems and color those countries. After all, I am not against this map per se.
Tomeasy
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15:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
This section has grown to a long list of all sorts of peculiarities. I would like to propose to either, take the list completely out and integrate its (as far as appropriate) information into List of countries with multiple capitals, which is anyways linked from this section. Or, to restrict ourselves to at least existing sovereign states. Now we have historical cases, like the colony Bechuanaland, protectorats like American Samoa, and first level subdivisions like Punjab. If we allow all these cases than, I am afraid, the list might be extended ad infinitum. Tomeasy talk 16:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The section on unconventional capital cities discusses London, and particularly the fact that neiher parliament nor any royal palaces are contained in the City of London. While this is true, 'City of London' is the medieval city, and is just a small part of the modern city of London (note the capitalisation!). The UK's parliament, principal government buildings and main royal palace are all located in London. Any thoughts? TheAstonishingBadger ( talk) 04:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
These aren't technically the closest capitals because The Vatican city isn't really a capital city but an entire country. Bratslavia and Vienna are thus the closest together capitals in europe and the wording should reflect these two points.( Morcus ( talk) 02:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC))
The section Capital (political)#Largest national capital cities lacks citation. Therefore, I had put a template on this section a while ago. This section is inviting people to change data according to their feeling. We constantly observe cities being exchanged (i.e. different opinions on which is the largest city of a region) and figures being changed (i.e. people make a city smaller or larger). This is somehow inherent to th topic of this section. The problem might even prevail if sources were provided, as different sources report quite different population data. However, without references it's a complete mess.
If nobody can provide sources for at least half of the entries within a month, I will remove the section. References are needed that back up the reported figure as well as the claim that the city is the largest in the region. Tomeasy T C 08:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Isn't this trivia? What useful purpose does it serve?
The mention that the Vatican City is the nearest "capital" city to Rome contradicts the point made earlier in the article that, as the Vatican City is a city-state, it does not have a capital city distinct from the country itself (and hence it is meaningless to talk about the capital city of the Vatican City). — 217.46.147.13 ( talk) 17:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The intro says: "Capitals are sometimes sited to discourage further growth in an existing major city. Brasília was situated in Brazil's interior because the old capital, Rio de Janeiro, and southeastern Brazil in general, were considered over-crowded."
Is there a source for this statement? Because the article about Brasilia says that "President Juscelino Kubitschek ordered the construction of Brasília, fulfilling an article of the country's constitution stating that the capital should be moved from Rio de Janeiro to a place close to the center of the country" -- Yerpo ( talk) 19:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
List of capitals by area is not yet write (11 january 2009), here we have List of European capital cities by area, copy paste and expand that, i think area of a capital city is a revevant point, thank you, please up the area of capital of your nation to the list. (sorry i not logged in that languaje of wikipedia, i can read that;))-- 201.255.37.223 ( talk) 15:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
It appears that the definition of capital in the article "the area of a country, province, region, or state, regarded as enjoying primary status" is unsatisfactory. The meaning of primary status is unclear - what is primary status and who defines it? In the case of The Netherlands it appears that Amsterdam is the capital because it says so in the constitution, even though Amsterdam has no particular role in the government of the country. In the case of Canada, Brasil and Australia, at least, the seat of government defines the capital although the city in which the government resides has self-evidently no "primary status" within the country, apart from being the seat of government. With due respect to the citizens of Ottawa, Brasilia and Canberra, their cities are very minor in the scheme of things. Indeed Brasilia and Canberra did not exist until it was decided to move the government to that location. Accordingly, primary status is not an adequate definition of capital and in common language capital means the seat of government and nothing else.
I suggest that capital is redefined as the seat of government (parliament or executive, if no parliament exists) and that anomalies such as The Netherlands are singled out. For example, "although Amsterdam is defined as the capital of the Netherlands in the constitution, it has no particular role in government and therefore The Hague is the de facto capital". Indeed, in Dutch, the word in the constitution translated into English as "capital" may have a different meaning to political capital. Perhaps a native Dutch speaker could advise?
203.1.16.193 ( talk) 10:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Frank Formby
It is a bit surreal to see people discussing whether Amsterdam should be regarded as the capital of the Netherlands on the basis of encyclopedia and disctionary definitions when you happen to live there. But you asked for input by native speaker, which I am.
The Dutch word for capital is "hoofdstad", literally translating as "head city" or "main city". This is the word that is used for all capital cities in the world, and also for Amsterdam (I checked the constitution: also there).
Dutch children learn at school that Amsterdam is the capital of their country, whereas I doubt whether an 8-year old would know that the government is in The Hague. By the way, not that it really matters, Amsterdam does have a specific role in the state organisation: according to the constitution, the King/Queen must be crowned there, by which he/she becomes the Head of State.
HStreek ( talk) 11:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.53.138 ( talk) 22:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
QUOTE: "Not to be confused with LOHAS Park." Relevant? -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 11:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 19:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Capital (political) →
Capital city — To avoid confusion with the completely unrelated concept of
political capital, which the extremely ambiguous "(political)" disambiguation seems to imply. Capital city is a perfectly common and unambiguous term for a country's seat of government, and all national capitals are by their very nature cities anyway. The differences in terminology can be noted in the article itself. —
84.92.117.93 (
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16:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need all the lower sections regarding distances between capitals et cetera? Unsourced WP:OR aside, I don't see how any of this is relevant or important to the topic itself, other than being a fun trivial fact to know. Do we really need these points in an encyclopedic article? -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 06:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
So the distance between the Pitcairn Islands and London is rather great. That's kinda cute, but while the PI may not be sovereign, their capital city is still Adamstown. Hence I'm much in favor of removing this. And the entire section, because that's rather pointless trivia. -- MushroomCloud ( talk) 14:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I second that -- and for the additional reason that the Pitcairn Islands are NOT a part of the UK as the article says. There is a very important difference (which many people seem unable to comprehend) between being a part of of a country and being a dependent territory of a country. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all parts of the UK; the Pitcairn Islands, the Cayman Islands, pre-1997 Hong Kong etc etc are most decidedly NOT. Not only is it pointless trivia, it is factually incorrect. Apodeictic ( talk) 00:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The article says that the capital which is farthest from its country's largest city is Hanoi, Vietnam (largest city is Ho Chi Minh City). However, putting the distance into GPS Visualizer gives a shorter distance than the one listed, and the distance between New Delhi, India and Mumbai appears to be slightly longer. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Neither Frankfurt nor Heidelberg nor Bonn is a capital of a German Land (state). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.0.192.120 ( talk) 18:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I think this makes sense since there are a number of capitals that are not cities: London, Brussels, etc. Also, the word "capital" by itself means "seat of government" according to some dictionaries (Legal Dictionary, World English Dictionary, according to dictionary.com). The article itself does mention that a capital is usually a city, but does not need to. What do you guys think about renaming the article to capital instead of capital city? Gabiteodoru ( talk) 17:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page not moved. NW ( Talk) 03:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Capital city →
Capital — There are a number of capitals that are not cities: London, Brussels, etc. Also, the word "capital" by itself means "seat of government" according to some dictionaries (Legal Dictionary, World English Dictionary, according to dictionary.com). The article itself does mention that a capital is usually a city, but does not need to..--
Gabiteodoru (
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04:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, point taken. However, the other articles say for example Capital (architecture) as opposed to Column capital. So let's be consistent: what about renaming the article to Capital (government) or Capital (politics), or something else of that form? Gabiteodoru ( talk) 13:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
What about National Capital or National Capital (government)?
Luis wiki (
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18:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I see that a Capital (political) page already exists, although it redirects here. Gabiteodoru ( talk) 23:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Does a capital have to be statutorily defined by legislation(s)? Is there any law that provide for London to be the capital of the UK, e.g.? And what about Wellington, Adamstown, Edinburgh, Melbourne, Paris, Munich, etc.? 203.198.26.23 ( talk) 09:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Would it be interesting to highlight a list of capitals that are / are not statotorily defined? The latter is the case in many English-speaking countries, as well as former British posessions such as Valletta, and cases like Lisbon. I'd suppose the latter is comparatively rarer. 58.153.97.145 ( talk) 22:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Would be worthwhile clarifying how capital cities are recognised. Or do they need to be recognised? For example, Jerusalem is a disputed city in that the UN says it's not, Israel says it is. There have been a few complaints to the BBC because they didn't list Jerusalem as Israel's capital for their pages on the Olympics. ( http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1424/according_to_the_bbc_israel_has_no_capital_city) 92.27.94.107 ( talk) 10:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
how about Nicosia ? פארוק ( talk) 18:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed the whole section as dubious unreferenced original research. Eg., speculations that the capital "was easy to move" yet kept. Also, capital restored to Moscow by Bolsheviks because StPetersburg was very vulnerable location. They would have been very much happy to leave the capital at the what they called "The Craddle of the Revolution", i.e., the logic of selection was exctly the opposite to this section title. And so on. Please do not restore without solid references. Staszek Lem ( talk) 18:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I thought it might be simple simple to prefix Jerusalem with "Ancient" to avoid the present conflict, but that doesn't jibe with what was contained in the parenthetical content, so I deleted the parenthetical content. The mention under the Origins" section of this article is unproblematic, but implying that to the present is problematic.
See the related discussion at Jerusalem talk page.-- Ubikwit ( talk) 10:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit
What does "findings" mean here? I understand it to mean "discoveries", but it's a bit hard to lose track of something as big as the Western Wall, so presumably it's not that. Marnanel ( talk)