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There is talk about Klondike but this is article about Canfield. WTF? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.232.37.69 ( talk) 17:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus and there has been no further discussion since the last relist. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Brad v 15:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Canfield (solitaire) → Demon (solitaire) – Calling this game Canfield is very confusing as it is also the traditional English name for the very popular game of Klondike (solitaire). On the other hand, "Demon" is the traditional name for this game (even the category is called Demon solitaire card games) as per card expert, Parlett's The History of Card Games, so this move would resolve that confusion. Canfield (solitaire) could then become a dab page pointing to both. Bermicourt ( talk) 21:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 15:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Most material in various sections is unattributed to any published source. This is not a trustworthy article, and is not encyclopedic by WP's own standards. 67.184.62.39 ( talk) 14:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The story that Canfield "invented" this game at his casino has become a common myth on the Internet and even in some modern card game books by authors who should know better. The truth is that rules for the game called Canfield in the US and Demon elsewhere were published by "Devonia" in 1891, probably the prolific English authoress Mary Whitmore Jones, who published the same article in her 1892 compendium. So the rules were public three years before Canfield took over his casino. This may explain why it is still called Demon in the UK and elsewhere and why Canfield cannot have invented it, although he certainly raised its profile. I've made an initial update to the article to correct this.
Actually we can't even be sure that the game Canfield 'promoted' at his gambling den, was this one. Michael Keller makes a good case here, which suggests that the game offered by Canfield was actually the one called Klondike. Since the Klondike gold rush occurred in 1896-99, it would be logical for his money-spinning game with cards to be named after it. To lend weight to Keller's theory, the first rules for Klondike appear in 1909; this fits with Canfield's ownership of the casino; he relinquished it in 1911. We know that Klondike is often called Canfield and this would explain why - the most famous casino in America was uniquely offering it as a gambling game and that casino was Canfield. Klondike survived both as a game and a name, but perhaps in the ensuing confusion, the name Canfield became inadvertently attached, in America at least, to the unsuspecting game of Demon because of a vague resemblance in its mode of play. This would not be the first time that sloppy card game book authors fail to check their facts. Leoni's Own and Weaver's are also often confused by those who don't do their research - I've just had to change that article too.
As a result of the abject confusion, card game experts Michael Keller (US) and Parlett (UK) recommend that English language sources drop the name Canfield entirely and call both games by their original names - Klondike and Demon. Bermicourt ( talk) 19:40, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
from where does the waste pile come from?It seems to me it comes from the reserve,however i only figured this out through much head scratching and moping about with nothing better to do ; granted though I have barely reached adolescence and do not have the cognitive ability of most adults . It seems very confusing and as I don’t know myself I cannot edit the article . Solitaire addict jabberwocky ( talk) 09:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
As a child, I was taught this game, as Demon. As I was taught it, the reserve cards are used only to fill spaces in the tableau, and remain face down until used as such.
"Cards may be moved between tableau piles either individually or as a complete sequence, provided the entire column is moved." This final point has never been part of the game as I was taught it.
Furthermore, the article doesn't comment on straight 3 versus reverse 3 as the way of dealing from the stock. Reverse 3 is the way I was taught.
That said, there's also a two-pack version, in which the tableau is of eight depots and the reserve pile has 40 cards, face up and still squared. Here, the top card of the reserve can be played to the tableau or foundations as well as being used to fill spaces. — Smjg ( talk) 00:18, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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There is talk about Klondike but this is article about Canfield. WTF? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.232.37.69 ( talk) 17:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus and there has been no further discussion since the last relist. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Brad v 15:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Canfield (solitaire) → Demon (solitaire) – Calling this game Canfield is very confusing as it is also the traditional English name for the very popular game of Klondike (solitaire). On the other hand, "Demon" is the traditional name for this game (even the category is called Demon solitaire card games) as per card expert, Parlett's The History of Card Games, so this move would resolve that confusion. Canfield (solitaire) could then become a dab page pointing to both. Bermicourt ( talk) 21:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 15:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Most material in various sections is unattributed to any published source. This is not a trustworthy article, and is not encyclopedic by WP's own standards. 67.184.62.39 ( talk) 14:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The story that Canfield "invented" this game at his casino has become a common myth on the Internet and even in some modern card game books by authors who should know better. The truth is that rules for the game called Canfield in the US and Demon elsewhere were published by "Devonia" in 1891, probably the prolific English authoress Mary Whitmore Jones, who published the same article in her 1892 compendium. So the rules were public three years before Canfield took over his casino. This may explain why it is still called Demon in the UK and elsewhere and why Canfield cannot have invented it, although he certainly raised its profile. I've made an initial update to the article to correct this.
Actually we can't even be sure that the game Canfield 'promoted' at his gambling den, was this one. Michael Keller makes a good case here, which suggests that the game offered by Canfield was actually the one called Klondike. Since the Klondike gold rush occurred in 1896-99, it would be logical for his money-spinning game with cards to be named after it. To lend weight to Keller's theory, the first rules for Klondike appear in 1909; this fits with Canfield's ownership of the casino; he relinquished it in 1911. We know that Klondike is often called Canfield and this would explain why - the most famous casino in America was uniquely offering it as a gambling game and that casino was Canfield. Klondike survived both as a game and a name, but perhaps in the ensuing confusion, the name Canfield became inadvertently attached, in America at least, to the unsuspecting game of Demon because of a vague resemblance in its mode of play. This would not be the first time that sloppy card game book authors fail to check their facts. Leoni's Own and Weaver's are also often confused by those who don't do their research - I've just had to change that article too.
As a result of the abject confusion, card game experts Michael Keller (US) and Parlett (UK) recommend that English language sources drop the name Canfield entirely and call both games by their original names - Klondike and Demon. Bermicourt ( talk) 19:40, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
from where does the waste pile come from?It seems to me it comes from the reserve,however i only figured this out through much head scratching and moping about with nothing better to do ; granted though I have barely reached adolescence and do not have the cognitive ability of most adults . It seems very confusing and as I don’t know myself I cannot edit the article . Solitaire addict jabberwocky ( talk) 09:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
As a child, I was taught this game, as Demon. As I was taught it, the reserve cards are used only to fill spaces in the tableau, and remain face down until used as such.
"Cards may be moved between tableau piles either individually or as a complete sequence, provided the entire column is moved." This final point has never been part of the game as I was taught it.
Furthermore, the article doesn't comment on straight 3 versus reverse 3 as the way of dealing from the stock. Reverse 3 is the way I was taught.
That said, there's also a two-pack version, in which the tableau is of eight depots and the reserve pile has 40 cards, face up and still squared. Here, the top card of the reserve can be played to the tableau or foundations as well as being used to fill spaces. — Smjg ( talk) 00:18, 18 October 2022 (UTC)