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While the RC church is not the whole of Christianity, it is a large part of it. And in the RC church, the word 'Candlemas' is obsolete. Using this word as the title and main heading for this liturgical celebration is unhelpful for general readers. It is also not a "holiday" but a feast or liturgical commemoration. It might be a holiday in some places, but that is not the right word for it. Notice this Wiki page, which refers to it first as Feast of the Presentation - Feb 2 - Holidays and observances -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:29, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Feb 2 is the actual 40th day after Christmas. In what sense is it "traditionally the 40th day of the Christmas-Epiphany season"? The "40" is not magic - it comes from the Jewish practice, at least as represented in Luke's gospel. Does this mean "traditionally it closes the Christmas-Epiphany season"? And where does "Christmas-Epiphany season" come from rather than "Christmas season" or "Epiphanytide"?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Is there not a saying "Candlemas Day is you be clear, Thou shalt betide a Happy Year?" This could be mentioned in the article somewhere. Vorbee ( talk) 09:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
If Candlemas Day be fair and bright
Winter will have another fight,
If Candlemas Day brings cloud and rain
Winter won't come again.
This has some truth for western Europe as a stable anticyclone gives clear cold weather, but low pressure systems bring warmer, wetter weather from the Atlantic. MidlandLinda ( talk) 14:42, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
"Candlemas feast transfers to February 3 if February 2 is a pre-Lenten Sunday, but the blessing of candles still takes place on February 2. Candlemas never falls in Lent (this also applies to the ordinary-form calendar), because the earliest possible Ash Wednesday is February 4."
I am assuming that this paragraph refers to the Latin-Rite Catholic liturgical calendar, which has not had "Pre-Lenten" Sundays for over 50 years. When February 2 is Sunday (dominical letter E, as in 2020), the Presentation takes precedence over the Sunday (Fourth Sunday in Ordinary Time), but otherwise it is celebrated on February 2, regardless of the day of the week, and is never transferred to February 3. Exsult1 ( talk) 18:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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While the RC church is not the whole of Christianity, it is a large part of it. And in the RC church, the word 'Candlemas' is obsolete. Using this word as the title and main heading for this liturgical celebration is unhelpful for general readers. It is also not a "holiday" but a feast or liturgical commemoration. It might be a holiday in some places, but that is not the right word for it. Notice this Wiki page, which refers to it first as Feast of the Presentation - Feb 2 - Holidays and observances -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:29, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Feb 2 is the actual 40th day after Christmas. In what sense is it "traditionally the 40th day of the Christmas-Epiphany season"? The "40" is not magic - it comes from the Jewish practice, at least as represented in Luke's gospel. Does this mean "traditionally it closes the Christmas-Epiphany season"? And where does "Christmas-Epiphany season" come from rather than "Christmas season" or "Epiphanytide"?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Is there not a saying "Candlemas Day is you be clear, Thou shalt betide a Happy Year?" This could be mentioned in the article somewhere. Vorbee ( talk) 09:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
If Candlemas Day be fair and bright
Winter will have another fight,
If Candlemas Day brings cloud and rain
Winter won't come again.
This has some truth for western Europe as a stable anticyclone gives clear cold weather, but low pressure systems bring warmer, wetter weather from the Atlantic. MidlandLinda ( talk) 14:42, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
"Candlemas feast transfers to February 3 if February 2 is a pre-Lenten Sunday, but the blessing of candles still takes place on February 2. Candlemas never falls in Lent (this also applies to the ordinary-form calendar), because the earliest possible Ash Wednesday is February 4."
I am assuming that this paragraph refers to the Latin-Rite Catholic liturgical calendar, which has not had "Pre-Lenten" Sundays for over 50 years. When February 2 is Sunday (dominical letter E, as in 2020), the Presentation takes precedence over the Sunday (Fourth Sunday in Ordinary Time), but otherwise it is celebrated on February 2, regardless of the day of the week, and is never transferred to February 3. Exsult1 ( talk) 18:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)