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"It involves four parties, and no two party coalition holds a majority of the seats."
This statement is not entirely true. The Liberal-NDP bloc and the Conservative-BQ bloc both fall short of a majority, but neither are in formal coalition. A Liberal-Conservative or Liberal-BQ bloc would present a majority and is a very distinct possibility on some issues. The Liberals and Conservatives will vote together against the BQ and NDP on child porn legislation and, if the government should support it, the US Missile Defence program. I am not sure if this is worth noting in the article as, so far, on confidence matters it has aligned as Liberal-NDP vs Conservative-BQ with independent Chuck Cadman holding the balance of power. Thoughts? -- Jord 16:45 8 Nov 04 (UTC)
I realize the 'pedia standard is to have the year of the election in the title, but there is nothing saying the 39th general election will be this year. Is there any other way we could title this and keep within naming standards? Radagast 13:17, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
I agree with SimonP on this - 39th general is a good approach, and the article should be moved to the year format when the election is eventually called. Kevintoronto 17:05, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've pasted my debate (bridged from each other's talk pages) with SimonP below.
I am a little concerned that you made the move of the article when no consensus had been reached despite the fact that Canadian federal election, 2005 is not entirely accurate. I would point out that
UK general election, 2005/06 provides something of precedent. Also, the format "political division, date" is the established
Wikipedia naming convention. -
Jord 04:30, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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While I agree that Canadian federal election, 2005 is not entirely accurate, I don't think that 39th Canadian federal election is suitable. First, if you are going to use the term 39th, then it would be more accurate to call it 39th Canadian general election, though I do not think that that is any more desirable. Second, the Wikipedia standard is the format Political division, date, I do not think SimonP's solution of changing the standard is the best way to go about it. We see that the solution used for the UK was UK general election, 2005/06, though that doesn't necessarily work here because there are four possible years. I would say that one of my options that I suggested to SimonP would be more in keeping with the naming convention AND easier for Wikipedians and other viewers to follow. It is a bit non sequitur to go from Canadian federal election, 1867, Canadian federal election, 1872 ... Canadian federal election, 2000, Canadian federal election, 2004 to 39th Canadian federal election.
For ease, I've summarized some of my suggestions below:
I am sure there are other (probably better) options, but I think we need to follow the other election formats so that users can figure out where this page is easily. - Jord 21:16, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Title should now be changed to Canadian federal election, 2005. (unsigned)
I've decided to add Candidate Tables for the next election, I would hope nobody deleated this because I worked really hard on this-Jack Cox
Should the Conservatives really be listed as CPC? The Liberals aren't LPC or the NDP the NDPC
Any guesses at what the results may be?
These guesses are pretty general but there are some problems with them. -if NDP ar the big gainers, liberals are going to be the losers - right now the bloc will for sure match their 54 and won't be losers - how much can the conservatives really lose, i think they have a better chance of staying the same or gaining.
so here is what i think...
Right now: Conservative 105-125 (I say 117), Liberal 100-120 (I say 105), Bloc Quebecois 55-65 (I say 62), NDP 18-24 (I say 21), others 1 (Chuck Cadman, unless back in the CPC fold)
Why is it that on this website, the conservative logo is the only one that does not have their name in it. They should have one. -- Esto 02:01, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not true, some of the Liberal ones don't. Look at the tables. WestJet
To whatever anonymous bloke that thought I put down the wrong Ekos numbers, and wrote so on the article page: The numbers I put down were simply rounded to be like all the other numbers. I de-rounded the other numbers, to be consistant with your change. If you have a problem with something like that, write it here.
-- Volrath50 20:22, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*The latest poll by Compas was removed. Jordan O'Brien (Jord.ca): "The Compas poll was done in one night with a very small sample size and is not reliable. It is enough to show a trend in the direction of the Conservatives but the actual numbers are meaningless." NoDice.ca , Canada's election projection website doesn't have it on their latest poll showings, either.*
The Compas poll should be on the main page, there is a "Robbins SCE" "poll", and they are a joke in terms of polling companies. A poll shouldn't be removed just because it has a small sample.
-- Volrath50 15:24, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I know that there are 20 riding targets for all of the other parties, however, after the top 13 targets for the BQ you reach the Prime Minister's riding, which was won by a landslide margin of 25.8%. If memory serves correct a student ran in this riding for the BQ instead of a serious candidate, thus it seems innapropriate to even have LaSalle—Émard as a riding target for the BQ. You might as well have Mount Royal as a target. I'm going to delete LaSalle—Émard as a target.
Comment removed by author. (05:50, 11 May 2005 (UTC)) Majromax 22:41, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
This talk page is intended for discussion of the article and viable edits to make to it, not amateur punditry. Please, only post seat predictions if they are from a major official poll, don't post personal bets or guesses for how the next election will turn out.
There are only 6 safe seats for the Liberals in Quebec, all in montreal. The cut off is just after Paul Martin's riding. The issue of paul martin losing LaSalle—Émard has come up a few times. I don't see why they wouldn't make it a target when they are soing so well in Quebec. It should stay on. At the very least we should wait for the campaign until you know for sure if it is not a target. 13 is an unlucky number to have anyways, happy friday the 13th!-- Esto 23:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC) I would add that recent poll numbers suggest that LaSalle—Émard will be a lot closer than last time. The Liberals are -19% while the Bloc is +7%.-- Esto 21:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
There has been much talk over how the Conservative government would run if elected. The Conservative party is partly a result of Western provincial alienation, and the Bloc Québécois are heavily focused on French-Canadian rights. It would be very difficult for this government to function as a coalition, especially since the rise of the Bloc Québécois is feared by many Canadians. If the Bloc Québécois choose to break up the government, then the Liberals woudl immediately call a vote of no confidence and call an election for the 40th parliament.
While I feel that this is probably accurate, it's also speculative, incomplete, and not really germane to the subject of the election itself. If the stability of a potential Conservative minority government becomes an issue during the election, then it would be fair to report on the controversy -- but not in this style, and certainly not yet. -- Majromax 05:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I apologize for not posting something worthy fo Wikipedia. I am fairly new at this. -- Arithmomaniac38 16:13, 20 May 2005 (PDT)
Seeing as how much of the perceived suspense leading up to this vote, IMO, rested with the tenuous status of indipendent MP's (especially Chuck Cadman, with his cancer, former conservative status, and polling of constituents in "volatile" Surrey), I thought it fitting to add their significant roles to the pre-intro paragraph. I mean, jeez, Old man Caddy's on the front page of most major newspapers in Canada right now. -- Clapaucius 20:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it would violate the NPOV if a sentence was added at the end saying :
This is the first time in Canadian history that the Speaker of the House has broken a tie on a matter of confidence, arguably reaching the climax of the parliamentary drama preceeding this date.
and just for convenience: May 24 The By-Election for Labrador is held, resulting in a liberal victory, making the upcoming confidence motions to be put forward by the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecios innefective, securing the Liberal leadership until parliament is dissolved 30 days after the publication of the gomery inquiry.
I'll hold off that second part until next tuesday though.-- 68.73.206.196 23:32, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that this last edit was slightly POV? "In an extremely rare event, the sitting of Parliament is extended in order to pass the NDP budget bill, Bill C-48, and the same-sex marriage bill, Bill C-38. In a shocking move that catches the opposition off-guard, the Liberals move to have a snap vote on Bill C-48, and, with numerous Conservatives absent not expecting a vote, the NDP budget bill, spending $4.6 billion in social spending, is passed by the Commons 152-147."
-- Volrath50 15:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If any party, major or minor, has a significant innovation to offer that would reduce taxes, boost job opportunities among the unemployed, add to children's quality of upbringing, why should it be deleted?
It's time I think to move this page to Canadian federal election, 2006. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
There is a law in place that will result in a US presidential election in 2008. There is no such law in Canada, only public statements by political leaders about what they intend to do but haven't done yet. In a few days, this disucssion will likely be moot. Let's wait. Ground Zero | t 14:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
There are a lot of items in the timeline that were quite relevant when they were added and would have been relevant had the election been called in and around that time but now amount largely to clutter. I would be happy to volunteer to try to clean it up and propose a truncated timeline here, but don't want to do so if it is going to ruffle feathers. Please advise. - Jord 21:04, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The timeline is missing years. - It starts in November but theres no way to tell whether that's November 2005 or 2004, unless you know the details of the events listed. 23skidoo 18:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
We've locked the page temporarily due to a persistent vandal. However, if you want to add info, please note it on the talk page and we'll add it for you (until, of course, the vandal goes away and we can unlock the page). Sorry, we know it's not ideal but its the best we can do right now! We don't like it either: it's a lot more work for us and our time could be spent better on other articles. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Come on guys... let's get this page back up and running... this is a very important page, and it is really up to date with the current news. A new EKOS poll came out today -- this page will be one often looked primarily over the next couple of months.
I quote from the article: "Most Conservatives oppose legal recognition of same-sex marriage, although 26% of Conservative Delegates at the 2005 Biennial Convention voted against one man-one woman marriage". Is this accurate? What do they want, polygamy? Kel- nage 13:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
It is regrettable that there are people who vandalize.
I don't know what the software is capable of, but here's my solution:
- members, who can be identified, are allowed real-time changes to articles
- non-members, and members who have not logged-in, cannot make real-time changes, rather can only submit changes to a queue, where they are checked for obvious "clearance - everything must go" vandalism and then cleared to a queue that watches for vulgarities and other small-scale vandalism before they are put into the article.
It would stop a lot of vandalism. People who become members and then vandalize would require some other sort of discipline or flagging.
GBC 19:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
How about telling some folks, both left and right wing (I'm looking at you SimonP), that people who do not agree with their ideology deserve the same right to edit the Wiki as they do without automatic reverts. Edits are much better. We are working towards consensus here. rasblue 23:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Is this thing official yet? I thought it was still being threatened. CaptainAmerica 00:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of Jim Harris? He really has nothing to do with any of this. - 24.43.228.59 16:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I think we need to put this to a vote. Pellaken 11:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Jim Harris also was ticked off that he didn't get to participate in the debates, and made the news. His party is picking up ground, and he's gaining. He was expected to get some great results this time around. He's also included in the game "Prime Minister Forever". So...
WestJet
The paragraph about same-sex marriage seems a little unlikely to me. Is the issue not kind of dead at the moment. Same-sex marriage has been completely legalized across the country already. What's left to talk about? How likely is it that the conservatives, should they get into power, are going to suddenly declare gay marriage illegal again and nullify all the marriages that have already taken place?
It just seems to me, and everyone else I know, that gay marriage is kind of a done deal, over with, which is why I'm puzzled by the implication in that section that the same-sex marriage issue is going to get some kind of play in this election. I'd be willing to bet that the conservatives don't even bother bringing it up during the campaign.
Gay marriage is only a hot button issue to a few Albertans and those who vote for the Christian heritage Party. 207.6.31.119 06:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Given the comments by Harper and others during the debate, there is certainly a fear among many people, that a vote for the Conservatives, will be a vote to open the door on this again. In the last election, the Conservatives wouldn't even stand up and clearly say that they wouldn't try and change the abortion laws, so even that became an issue. If abortion could come such a major issue in the 2004 election, then why not Same Sex in 2006? .... oh hang on, just saw this. Harper has already start making announcements about making same-sex a major issue in this campaign ... from [ Canadian Press]"A Conservative government would move to restore the traditional definition of marriage if Parliament supports the idea". I guess this is now a hot-button issue for the entire country! Nfitz 20:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Harper has stated that if elected he would introduce legislation to restore the unconstitutional definition, but allow a free vote, even among cabinet ministers. And that he would include a "grandfather clause" for people who have already been married. Carolynparrishfan 18:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
What Harper actually said is that he'd have a free vote on a "MOTION" asking the house if they would like to re-examine the issue of SSM. If the motion was voted down he would consider the matter settled but if it was passed they would hold another vote to pass legislation allowing the government to revert to the traditional definition of marriage while allowing SSM couples to form a civil union as they do in the UK. The traditional definition is not unconstitutional; the Supreme Court of Canada said that the definition was completely the jurisdiction of parliament. Thanks to the Supreme Court opinion, the Notwithstanding Clause would not need to be used to maintain the traditional definition. December 12, 2005.
I was watching the vote of no confidence on the CBC and Peter Mansbridge said something about it being the first time in Canadian history that the government has been defeated with a direct non-confidence motion. I'm assuming that he was referring to the fact that the government was defeated on an opposition motion that explicitly declared it a motion of no confidence against the government (more-or-less in those words), rather than the more typical non-confidence motion that is inferred by a lost vote on a budget or a speech from the throne (which are confidence motions by implication if defeated, but not by design, whereas the motion of 28 Nov, 2005 was introduced solely as a matter of confidence). Can anyone verify this? If Mansbridge's observation is accurate, it might be a note-worthy footnote for the article. Rod ESQ 07:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
So with seven weeks to go in this thing, we're already sitting at around twice the recommended article size. I realize the the 32K recommendation is for text, and excludes tables and charts, but this article is already long. Any ideas for cutting chunks off to branch articles? Ground Zero | t 21:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The number of candidates listed for the various parties in the table near the bottom only shows numbers for the five major parties, and shows dashes instead for the minor parties. I am going to assume that these dashes indicate a lack of information, and am going to therefore update the entry for the Libertarian Party with the correct number. If I have misunderstood the correct use of this table, please post here to explain it. -- Dglynch 13:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The section on swing ridings is very interesting, but unfortunately, it's a bit confusing. Listing each riding in a column under the logo of a party that doesn't currently hold it is counter-intuitive, and it took me a long time to be sure of what was going on. David 01:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
The frequency of SES polls is somewhat misleading, as they did in the 2004 election, they are doing rolling polling. Their current formula has them make 400 calls/night and then they take the three most recent nights results to get a pool of 1200 surveyees. Essentially, every night they release a poll with 1/3 new data and 2/3s old data. This being the case, I am not sure if we should list them every day as a new poll, but I am not sure how else to deal with it? Thoughts? - Jord 02:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I've pondered that. But it is a new poll every day. And it is a poll release every day. And that data is quite interesting to see, as it shows trends quite quickly. So I wouldn't NOT want to list the most recent poll. I can see arguments for showing and not showing each poll. Perhaps a footnote? Perhaps only showing the most recent on on this page, and all of them on the detailed page? Nfitz 03:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
No-one else has been bothering to only list 1 out of 3 SES polls on this page; and no-one has had any concerns about the SC polls having the same issue, so I have stopped showing just 1 out of 3 polls on this page. Too much work when cutting and pasting new results from detailed page! Nfitz 14:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi everyone, in case anyone else has not noticed yet the official candidates are now slowly trickling onto the elections canada website. I will post links here for easy reference -- Cloveious 04:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Officially Nominated from Elections Canada so far as of 23:23, 4 January 2006 (MST), very likely close to final since it has now been 57 hours since nominations closed in the Pacific time zone, and returning officers are supposed to confirm nomination papers within 48 hours of being submitted.
At the moment, Outremont has eleven candidates (including four independents), more than any other riding. Laurier--Sainte-Marie has nine, and others have eight or less. GBC 06:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
These links are not working for me - Jord 15:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I will convert the main grid in the article over to these numbers when there is at least one nomination from every province By the way candidate nominations close January 2, 2006. -- Cloveious 02:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually, Monday, January 2, 2006, the 21st day before polling day, at 2:00 p.m. local time in the returning officer's office. Candidates have until 5 p.m. to withdraw. However, the confirmation process may not be complete for 48 hours, and papers can be rejected if they are not in proper order, with no time available to correct the deficiency. GBC 05:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
One of the vandalisms posted the remark "Politics are dumb".
Politics is the process, whether we think it's ideal or not, by which we choose the people who decide our taxation, laws, national defence, transportation regulations, Internet oversight, etc.
If politics are corrupt, I attribute it to this: LACK of involvement!!
Bad politics are the result of good people not getting involved! My belief is that every single Canadian should: (1) join the political party that best represents what they believe to be right, (2) come out to meetings of that party, (3) help elect convention delegates who they believe will faithfully represent those values, (4) help financially support candidates they believe have the integrity to faithfully represent those values, (5) vote for those candidates at nomination meetings and again in general elections, (6) volunteer for their party between and during elections to help communicate the party's message.
With the thorough neglect of this involvement, a few ambitious people, some of whom are corrupt, are left to take control of parties, nomination processes, policy conventions and, therefore, governments. It is given to us to take that control back from them; too few people use it. And the worst of it is, they give corruption as the reason they don't want to be involved, when it is their lack of involvement that has allowed the corrupt to take control!
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"It involves four parties, and no two party coalition holds a majority of the seats."
This statement is not entirely true. The Liberal-NDP bloc and the Conservative-BQ bloc both fall short of a majority, but neither are in formal coalition. A Liberal-Conservative or Liberal-BQ bloc would present a majority and is a very distinct possibility on some issues. The Liberals and Conservatives will vote together against the BQ and NDP on child porn legislation and, if the government should support it, the US Missile Defence program. I am not sure if this is worth noting in the article as, so far, on confidence matters it has aligned as Liberal-NDP vs Conservative-BQ with independent Chuck Cadman holding the balance of power. Thoughts? -- Jord 16:45 8 Nov 04 (UTC)
I realize the 'pedia standard is to have the year of the election in the title, but there is nothing saying the 39th general election will be this year. Is there any other way we could title this and keep within naming standards? Radagast 13:17, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
I agree with SimonP on this - 39th general is a good approach, and the article should be moved to the year format when the election is eventually called. Kevintoronto 17:05, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've pasted my debate (bridged from each other's talk pages) with SimonP below.
I am a little concerned that you made the move of the article when no consensus had been reached despite the fact that Canadian federal election, 2005 is not entirely accurate. I would point out that
UK general election, 2005/06 provides something of precedent. Also, the format "political division, date" is the established
Wikipedia naming convention. -
Jord 04:30, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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While I agree that Canadian federal election, 2005 is not entirely accurate, I don't think that 39th Canadian federal election is suitable. First, if you are going to use the term 39th, then it would be more accurate to call it 39th Canadian general election, though I do not think that that is any more desirable. Second, the Wikipedia standard is the format Political division, date, I do not think SimonP's solution of changing the standard is the best way to go about it. We see that the solution used for the UK was UK general election, 2005/06, though that doesn't necessarily work here because there are four possible years. I would say that one of my options that I suggested to SimonP would be more in keeping with the naming convention AND easier for Wikipedians and other viewers to follow. It is a bit non sequitur to go from Canadian federal election, 1867, Canadian federal election, 1872 ... Canadian federal election, 2000, Canadian federal election, 2004 to 39th Canadian federal election.
For ease, I've summarized some of my suggestions below:
I am sure there are other (probably better) options, but I think we need to follow the other election formats so that users can figure out where this page is easily. - Jord 21:16, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Title should now be changed to Canadian federal election, 2005. (unsigned)
I've decided to add Candidate Tables for the next election, I would hope nobody deleated this because I worked really hard on this-Jack Cox
Should the Conservatives really be listed as CPC? The Liberals aren't LPC or the NDP the NDPC
Any guesses at what the results may be?
These guesses are pretty general but there are some problems with them. -if NDP ar the big gainers, liberals are going to be the losers - right now the bloc will for sure match their 54 and won't be losers - how much can the conservatives really lose, i think they have a better chance of staying the same or gaining.
so here is what i think...
Right now: Conservative 105-125 (I say 117), Liberal 100-120 (I say 105), Bloc Quebecois 55-65 (I say 62), NDP 18-24 (I say 21), others 1 (Chuck Cadman, unless back in the CPC fold)
Why is it that on this website, the conservative logo is the only one that does not have their name in it. They should have one. -- Esto 02:01, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not true, some of the Liberal ones don't. Look at the tables. WestJet
To whatever anonymous bloke that thought I put down the wrong Ekos numbers, and wrote so on the article page: The numbers I put down were simply rounded to be like all the other numbers. I de-rounded the other numbers, to be consistant with your change. If you have a problem with something like that, write it here.
-- Volrath50 20:22, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*The latest poll by Compas was removed. Jordan O'Brien (Jord.ca): "The Compas poll was done in one night with a very small sample size and is not reliable. It is enough to show a trend in the direction of the Conservatives but the actual numbers are meaningless." NoDice.ca , Canada's election projection website doesn't have it on their latest poll showings, either.*
The Compas poll should be on the main page, there is a "Robbins SCE" "poll", and they are a joke in terms of polling companies. A poll shouldn't be removed just because it has a small sample.
-- Volrath50 15:24, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I know that there are 20 riding targets for all of the other parties, however, after the top 13 targets for the BQ you reach the Prime Minister's riding, which was won by a landslide margin of 25.8%. If memory serves correct a student ran in this riding for the BQ instead of a serious candidate, thus it seems innapropriate to even have LaSalle—Émard as a riding target for the BQ. You might as well have Mount Royal as a target. I'm going to delete LaSalle—Émard as a target.
Comment removed by author. (05:50, 11 May 2005 (UTC)) Majromax 22:41, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
This talk page is intended for discussion of the article and viable edits to make to it, not amateur punditry. Please, only post seat predictions if they are from a major official poll, don't post personal bets or guesses for how the next election will turn out.
There are only 6 safe seats for the Liberals in Quebec, all in montreal. The cut off is just after Paul Martin's riding. The issue of paul martin losing LaSalle—Émard has come up a few times. I don't see why they wouldn't make it a target when they are soing so well in Quebec. It should stay on. At the very least we should wait for the campaign until you know for sure if it is not a target. 13 is an unlucky number to have anyways, happy friday the 13th!-- Esto 23:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC) I would add that recent poll numbers suggest that LaSalle—Émard will be a lot closer than last time. The Liberals are -19% while the Bloc is +7%.-- Esto 21:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
There has been much talk over how the Conservative government would run if elected. The Conservative party is partly a result of Western provincial alienation, and the Bloc Québécois are heavily focused on French-Canadian rights. It would be very difficult for this government to function as a coalition, especially since the rise of the Bloc Québécois is feared by many Canadians. If the Bloc Québécois choose to break up the government, then the Liberals woudl immediately call a vote of no confidence and call an election for the 40th parliament.
While I feel that this is probably accurate, it's also speculative, incomplete, and not really germane to the subject of the election itself. If the stability of a potential Conservative minority government becomes an issue during the election, then it would be fair to report on the controversy -- but not in this style, and certainly not yet. -- Majromax 05:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I apologize for not posting something worthy fo Wikipedia. I am fairly new at this. -- Arithmomaniac38 16:13, 20 May 2005 (PDT)
Seeing as how much of the perceived suspense leading up to this vote, IMO, rested with the tenuous status of indipendent MP's (especially Chuck Cadman, with his cancer, former conservative status, and polling of constituents in "volatile" Surrey), I thought it fitting to add their significant roles to the pre-intro paragraph. I mean, jeez, Old man Caddy's on the front page of most major newspapers in Canada right now. -- Clapaucius 20:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it would violate the NPOV if a sentence was added at the end saying :
This is the first time in Canadian history that the Speaker of the House has broken a tie on a matter of confidence, arguably reaching the climax of the parliamentary drama preceeding this date.
and just for convenience: May 24 The By-Election for Labrador is held, resulting in a liberal victory, making the upcoming confidence motions to be put forward by the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecios innefective, securing the Liberal leadership until parliament is dissolved 30 days after the publication of the gomery inquiry.
I'll hold off that second part until next tuesday though.-- 68.73.206.196 23:32, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that this last edit was slightly POV? "In an extremely rare event, the sitting of Parliament is extended in order to pass the NDP budget bill, Bill C-48, and the same-sex marriage bill, Bill C-38. In a shocking move that catches the opposition off-guard, the Liberals move to have a snap vote on Bill C-48, and, with numerous Conservatives absent not expecting a vote, the NDP budget bill, spending $4.6 billion in social spending, is passed by the Commons 152-147."
-- Volrath50 15:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If any party, major or minor, has a significant innovation to offer that would reduce taxes, boost job opportunities among the unemployed, add to children's quality of upbringing, why should it be deleted?
It's time I think to move this page to Canadian federal election, 2006. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
There is a law in place that will result in a US presidential election in 2008. There is no such law in Canada, only public statements by political leaders about what they intend to do but haven't done yet. In a few days, this disucssion will likely be moot. Let's wait. Ground Zero | t 14:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
There are a lot of items in the timeline that were quite relevant when they were added and would have been relevant had the election been called in and around that time but now amount largely to clutter. I would be happy to volunteer to try to clean it up and propose a truncated timeline here, but don't want to do so if it is going to ruffle feathers. Please advise. - Jord 21:04, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The timeline is missing years. - It starts in November but theres no way to tell whether that's November 2005 or 2004, unless you know the details of the events listed. 23skidoo 18:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
We've locked the page temporarily due to a persistent vandal. However, if you want to add info, please note it on the talk page and we'll add it for you (until, of course, the vandal goes away and we can unlock the page). Sorry, we know it's not ideal but its the best we can do right now! We don't like it either: it's a lot more work for us and our time could be spent better on other articles. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Come on guys... let's get this page back up and running... this is a very important page, and it is really up to date with the current news. A new EKOS poll came out today -- this page will be one often looked primarily over the next couple of months.
I quote from the article: "Most Conservatives oppose legal recognition of same-sex marriage, although 26% of Conservative Delegates at the 2005 Biennial Convention voted against one man-one woman marriage". Is this accurate? What do they want, polygamy? Kel- nage 13:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
It is regrettable that there are people who vandalize.
I don't know what the software is capable of, but here's my solution:
- members, who can be identified, are allowed real-time changes to articles
- non-members, and members who have not logged-in, cannot make real-time changes, rather can only submit changes to a queue, where they are checked for obvious "clearance - everything must go" vandalism and then cleared to a queue that watches for vulgarities and other small-scale vandalism before they are put into the article.
It would stop a lot of vandalism. People who become members and then vandalize would require some other sort of discipline or flagging.
GBC 19:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
How about telling some folks, both left and right wing (I'm looking at you SimonP), that people who do not agree with their ideology deserve the same right to edit the Wiki as they do without automatic reverts. Edits are much better. We are working towards consensus here. rasblue 23:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Is this thing official yet? I thought it was still being threatened. CaptainAmerica 00:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of Jim Harris? He really has nothing to do with any of this. - 24.43.228.59 16:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I think we need to put this to a vote. Pellaken 11:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Jim Harris also was ticked off that he didn't get to participate in the debates, and made the news. His party is picking up ground, and he's gaining. He was expected to get some great results this time around. He's also included in the game "Prime Minister Forever". So...
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The paragraph about same-sex marriage seems a little unlikely to me. Is the issue not kind of dead at the moment. Same-sex marriage has been completely legalized across the country already. What's left to talk about? How likely is it that the conservatives, should they get into power, are going to suddenly declare gay marriage illegal again and nullify all the marriages that have already taken place?
It just seems to me, and everyone else I know, that gay marriage is kind of a done deal, over with, which is why I'm puzzled by the implication in that section that the same-sex marriage issue is going to get some kind of play in this election. I'd be willing to bet that the conservatives don't even bother bringing it up during the campaign.
Gay marriage is only a hot button issue to a few Albertans and those who vote for the Christian heritage Party. 207.6.31.119 06:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Given the comments by Harper and others during the debate, there is certainly a fear among many people, that a vote for the Conservatives, will be a vote to open the door on this again. In the last election, the Conservatives wouldn't even stand up and clearly say that they wouldn't try and change the abortion laws, so even that became an issue. If abortion could come such a major issue in the 2004 election, then why not Same Sex in 2006? .... oh hang on, just saw this. Harper has already start making announcements about making same-sex a major issue in this campaign ... from [ Canadian Press]"A Conservative government would move to restore the traditional definition of marriage if Parliament supports the idea". I guess this is now a hot-button issue for the entire country! Nfitz 20:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Harper has stated that if elected he would introduce legislation to restore the unconstitutional definition, but allow a free vote, even among cabinet ministers. And that he would include a "grandfather clause" for people who have already been married. Carolynparrishfan 18:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
What Harper actually said is that he'd have a free vote on a "MOTION" asking the house if they would like to re-examine the issue of SSM. If the motion was voted down he would consider the matter settled but if it was passed they would hold another vote to pass legislation allowing the government to revert to the traditional definition of marriage while allowing SSM couples to form a civil union as they do in the UK. The traditional definition is not unconstitutional; the Supreme Court of Canada said that the definition was completely the jurisdiction of parliament. Thanks to the Supreme Court opinion, the Notwithstanding Clause would not need to be used to maintain the traditional definition. December 12, 2005.
I was watching the vote of no confidence on the CBC and Peter Mansbridge said something about it being the first time in Canadian history that the government has been defeated with a direct non-confidence motion. I'm assuming that he was referring to the fact that the government was defeated on an opposition motion that explicitly declared it a motion of no confidence against the government (more-or-less in those words), rather than the more typical non-confidence motion that is inferred by a lost vote on a budget or a speech from the throne (which are confidence motions by implication if defeated, but not by design, whereas the motion of 28 Nov, 2005 was introduced solely as a matter of confidence). Can anyone verify this? If Mansbridge's observation is accurate, it might be a note-worthy footnote for the article. Rod ESQ 07:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
So with seven weeks to go in this thing, we're already sitting at around twice the recommended article size. I realize the the 32K recommendation is for text, and excludes tables and charts, but this article is already long. Any ideas for cutting chunks off to branch articles? Ground Zero | t 21:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The number of candidates listed for the various parties in the table near the bottom only shows numbers for the five major parties, and shows dashes instead for the minor parties. I am going to assume that these dashes indicate a lack of information, and am going to therefore update the entry for the Libertarian Party with the correct number. If I have misunderstood the correct use of this table, please post here to explain it. -- Dglynch 13:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The section on swing ridings is very interesting, but unfortunately, it's a bit confusing. Listing each riding in a column under the logo of a party that doesn't currently hold it is counter-intuitive, and it took me a long time to be sure of what was going on. David 01:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
The frequency of SES polls is somewhat misleading, as they did in the 2004 election, they are doing rolling polling. Their current formula has them make 400 calls/night and then they take the three most recent nights results to get a pool of 1200 surveyees. Essentially, every night they release a poll with 1/3 new data and 2/3s old data. This being the case, I am not sure if we should list them every day as a new poll, but I am not sure how else to deal with it? Thoughts? - Jord 02:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I've pondered that. But it is a new poll every day. And it is a poll release every day. And that data is quite interesting to see, as it shows trends quite quickly. So I wouldn't NOT want to list the most recent poll. I can see arguments for showing and not showing each poll. Perhaps a footnote? Perhaps only showing the most recent on on this page, and all of them on the detailed page? Nfitz 03:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
No-one else has been bothering to only list 1 out of 3 SES polls on this page; and no-one has had any concerns about the SC polls having the same issue, so I have stopped showing just 1 out of 3 polls on this page. Too much work when cutting and pasting new results from detailed page! Nfitz 14:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi everyone, in case anyone else has not noticed yet the official candidates are now slowly trickling onto the elections canada website. I will post links here for easy reference -- Cloveious 04:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Officially Nominated from Elections Canada so far as of 23:23, 4 January 2006 (MST), very likely close to final since it has now been 57 hours since nominations closed in the Pacific time zone, and returning officers are supposed to confirm nomination papers within 48 hours of being submitted.
At the moment, Outremont has eleven candidates (including four independents), more than any other riding. Laurier--Sainte-Marie has nine, and others have eight or less. GBC 06:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
These links are not working for me - Jord 15:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I will convert the main grid in the article over to these numbers when there is at least one nomination from every province By the way candidate nominations close January 2, 2006. -- Cloveious 02:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually, Monday, January 2, 2006, the 21st day before polling day, at 2:00 p.m. local time in the returning officer's office. Candidates have until 5 p.m. to withdraw. However, the confirmation process may not be complete for 48 hours, and papers can be rejected if they are not in proper order, with no time available to correct the deficiency. GBC 05:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
One of the vandalisms posted the remark "Politics are dumb".
Politics is the process, whether we think it's ideal or not, by which we choose the people who decide our taxation, laws, national defence, transportation regulations, Internet oversight, etc.
If politics are corrupt, I attribute it to this: LACK of involvement!!
Bad politics are the result of good people not getting involved! My belief is that every single Canadian should: (1) join the political party that best represents what they believe to be right, (2) come out to meetings of that party, (3) help elect convention delegates who they believe will faithfully represent those values, (4) help financially support candidates they believe have the integrity to faithfully represent those values, (5) vote for those candidates at nomination meetings and again in general elections, (6) volunteer for their party between and during elections to help communicate the party's message.
With the thorough neglect of this involvement, a few ambitious people, some of whom are corrupt, are left to take control of parties, nomination processes, policy conventions and, therefore, governments. It is given to us to take that control back from them; too few people use it. And the worst of it is, they give corruption as the reason they don't want to be involved, when it is their lack of involvement that has allowed the corrupt to take control!