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I have returned this page to my original design but I have removed the references to Tarek Fatah's blog since, as was correctly pointed out, blogs are not considered acceptable references. However, the rest of my writing is properly sourced and referenced. If somebody disagrees with what I have written, please provide an explanation here (on the talk).( Hyperionsteel 23:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC))
Mouammar is extremely anti-Israel and repeatedly uses loaded and polemical language whenever the topic of Israel comes into play in the public or media.
This is editorializing and is not written from a neutral point of view. It's also original research. Not one of the sources you have provided says that.
Many of your edits that I removed were removed for this same reason. I am going to restore my version and ask that you think about the policies I have pointed out to you with regard to the material you are attempting to reinsert. Thanks. Tiamut 18:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I have removed some comments you claim to be editorial but I am keeping the rest. I've properly cited all sources, many of which were written by Mouammar himself.
In particular, I see that you removed the paragraph that noted that the Canadian Press obtained an email sent out by Mouammar which included the flyer - despite the fact that Mouammar claimed that he had no role in distributing it. The source for this is a CTV news, which is one of the largest news organizations in Canada.
Also, the quotes I cite regarding Zafar Bangash were, in the most part - written by him (which is why I've kept them)
I would like to state that I think you are misintrepriting the meaning of "neutral" with regard to Wikipedia. Neutral refers to the format in which the information presented. It does not mean that the information itself must be altered to appear neutral. I suggest you think about that.
If you must remove my material, please explain in more detail why my sources are incorrect/insufficient. If you feel I am taking a quote out of context, please specifiy what context I should take them in. S
Simply writted broad statements is not sufficient, in my view, to justify removing specific material. ( Hyperionsteel 22:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC))
I plan to revisit my sources on Zafar Bangash. In particular, I think this article should mention Bangash's 2001 article in which he concludes by calling for the explusion of Jews from Israel (you can read it for yourself here if you don't believe me: http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/movement01/pal-move.htm Hyperionsteel 23:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC))
This article is about CAF, not Bangash. Take your war with Bangash somewhere else. 142.214.60.130 ( talk) 15:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Bangash's views are indeed relevant to this article. Khaled Mouammar has stated that Bangash is "a man of dignity" who has not used the term " kuffar." However, Bangash's views, and his use of the term "kuffar" are freely available online (at a website he routinely writes for). This shows that Mouammar is either lying or is unaware of Bangash's views.
Mouammar, in his capacity as President of the CAF, gave an award to Zafar Bangash. It is correct to point out Bangash's views by directly citing his own writings. This information is very relevant because Mouammar claimed that Bangash is a "man of dignity" who has not used the term kuffar. I am directly citing Bangash's own writings to prove that Mouammar is either lying or is misinformed. Citing Bangash's own writings is more appropriate than citing a journalist's column in this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperionsteel ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I find it difficult to believe that Mouammar didn't know about Bangash's views and his writings. But even if he didn't know, evidence of Bangash's true views should be put forward. This is not a "hack and slash" job but rather a series of quotes, taken in context, from Bangash's writings. This is more accurate than a brief summation by a journalist.( Hyperionsteel 03:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC))
I'm not disrupting Wikipedia, and don't lecture me, Tiamut. I'm high-lighting the fact that the CAF gave an award to Bangash. CAF President Mouammar specifically stated that Bangash has not used the term "kuffar." I have cited Bangash's own writings which are freely available on the Internet in which he uses the term "kuffar." Thus, Mouammar was lying or was unaware of Bangash's true views. Either way, I have a right to point this out. I've cited Bangash's own writings on a website he routinely writes for - explain to me how that is unreilable. ( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 02:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC))
Again, let me spell it out for you. The CAF President, acting in that capacity, gave an award to an Bangash and defended him from criticism that he is an Islamist and an extremist. It is not disruptive to point this out by citing specific writings which are more accurate than a journalist's rehash. The CAF opened the door for this when they gave out this award.
You seem to express doubt that the "right-wing commentator" is credible since you refer to her by that term. I am citing Bangash's own original writings. Therefore, it seems I am more interested in accuracy than you are. Citing original writings is not "original research" and is a commonly used practice throughout Wikipedia. ( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 21:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC))
We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. Biographies of living persons (BLP) must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy.
Zafar Bangash refers to non-Muslims in a derogatory manner, supports the fundamentalist regime in Iran, seeks the destruction of Israel and the explusion of its Jewish population. Protraying him as a "bad man" is not very difficult.( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 05:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC))
Bangash is not the subject of this article, but the CAF gave him an award and defended him against criticism - which makes Bangash's views very relevant. If you think I'm taking Bangash's quotes out of context, feel free to explain what context they should be taken in. ( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 02:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC))
The award to Bangash is already ocvered in the article. I think we're done here. Tiamut 03:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Please add info from the following articles to balance out the latest sections attacking the CAF. This article by Haroon Siddiqui is good [1] and this one by CAF president Khaled Mouammar should also be used. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.41.111 ( talk) 04:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice this article has been taken over by criticism of CAF regarding its positions on Israel. It strongly appears that someone is using this article as a means to criticize in a very unbalanced fashion the Canadian Arab Federation. It is being done by sourced materials, but it is all designed to focus on the criticism of the CAF and to further that criticism. This is not a proper use of Wikipedia and this article is clearly POV.
I am starting to be concerned that this is a pattern that has established itself on a number of articles and as such may require a more systematic approach in dealing with it. -- John Bahrain ( talk) 12:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
In February 2009, Tarek Fatah, founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) sharply criticized the Canadian Arab Federation (CAF) in an article published in the National Post. Fatah, who received the CAF's highest award in December 2001, stated that the CAF's current leadership has turned the organization "into a mouthpiece for Hamas and Hezbollah in Canada." Fatah stated that the CAF used to sponsor debates on the pros and cons of the Oslo peace accord but today labels "any backer of the two-state solution [as] a traitor to the Muslim cause." [1]
Fatah opened by sharply criticizing CAF President Khaled Mouammar for calling Immigration Minister Jason Kenney a "professional whore" because Mr. Kenney criticized the display of Hamas and Hezbollah flags at a CAF-backed protest rally. Fatah also claimed that the CAF also referred to Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff by the same label. Fatah also criticized Mouammar for sending out an email during 2006 Liberal party leadership campaign which stated that " [Bob] Rae's wife is a vice-president of the CJC [[[Canadian Jewish Congress]]], a lobby group which supports Israeli apartheid." Fatah also stated that Mouammar sent Muslim delegates a flyer that stated: "Bob Rae supports Israeli apartheid. Don't elect a leader who supports apartheid." [1]
Fatah stated that CAF's vice-president in Ontario, Ali Mallah, referred to the Muslim Canadian Congress in an online forum as " house negros." He also claimed that Mallah sent out an e-mail message that was headlined: "Dion, Rae & Cotler: pro-Apartheid & anti-Human Rights." Fatah claimed the message also contained the flowing remarks:
1 Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's handpicked human rights critic, Irwin Cotler, advises Israeli military officials on war planning, on how to spin the media following Israeli war crimes and on how to oppose Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights; 2 Dion's handpicked critic for foreign affairs and co-writer of the Liberal party platform, the unelected Bob Rae is a committee member of the Racist Jewish National Fund. As Israel's leading newspaper Ha'aretz reports: "it's well known that the 'national institutions' -- the Jewish Agency and Jewish National Fund -- primarily exist to enable institutional discrimination based on ethnicity." [1]
Fatah also claimed that Mallah attacked him personally, claiming that he has "no shred of decency of integrity left" and claiming that he served "Zionist masters." [1]
In response to Fatah's article, CAF Vice-President Ali Mallah emailed a response to a large group of recipients. The National Post later posted it in its original form. In the message Mallah wrote that:
Tarek Fatah has earned the the perfect description by Late Malcom X and prove to be a very loyal " house Negro". In this desperate attempt to malign CAF on the pages of Zionist mouth piece National Post, he is saying one thing correct: Yes, CAF awarded him that award, but that was when Tarek Fatah was cheating his way through and pretending to be pro-palestine, pro-social justice, pro-multiculturalism and Anti-Liberal Party...etc (I am sure that every one knows this sell out, is fully aware of the shameless transformation of this sorry case of human being). I admit that I was duped by his fake lies and nominated him for that award. Now, since he is totally exposed and has no cloth left, He should return that Award as he does not deserve the honour associated with it. [2]
Regarding Irwin Cotler and Bob Rae, Mallah wrote in the same message that:
As for Irwin Cotler, Who's been acting as special adviser to Israel's gov. in the last several years, even attending a high level [conference] in Herzliya to advise Israeli [officials] on how to counter, [academia], the media and public opinion re: Israel after summer 2006 War ([which] led to the Israel re-branding campaign). Here, the Video [for] all to see re: Canadian Liberal MP Irwin Cotler Advising Israeli Military Officials on War Planning. As for Bob Rae, he is a committee member of the Jewish National Fund which was found by Israeli court to be a racist group and cheating [Palestinians] out of [their] lands. [2]
References
Due to an edit war over the inclusion of a claim that Ali Mallah was videotaped assaulting a protestor, I've applied page protection to this article for a period of one week. This is not meant to be construed as an endorsement of either version of the article — but in my capacity as an administrator, it's my responsibility when such an edit war occurs to step in and get people to discuss the matter on the talk page rather than constantly reverting each other.
The disputed claim is as follows: Its current Vice-President, Ali Mallah, was caught on film assaulting and threatening a counter-protestor at a Palestinian Solidarity protest. The source is a video clip on the Crossroads Television System website, credited to The Michael Coren Show. I don't mean to suggest that CTS in general is necessarily always an invalid source for Wikipedia — but the idea that Michael Coren is a reliable and objective source for something like this (or really for anything at all) is making my kidneys itch. Nor am I too clear on why the incident described would be notable or relevant enough to even be worth mentioning here anyway, even if Coren were actually a journalist rather than an opinion commentator. YMMV, I suppose, but this needs to be discussed rather than revert-warred. Bearcat ( talk) 04:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
This article is absolutely atrocious. It is not at all a balanced representation of what major news organizations have reported on the Canadian Arab Federation. It relies overwhelmingly, on either the CAF and Khaled Muammar (whose press releases and articles are mined for cherry-picked quotes) and editorials from right-wing media in Canada.
In order to improve the article, we need to use a more balanced approach. We need to stop overwhelmingly rely on articles from the National Post and Sun papers and use more mainstream sources (like Globe & Mail, CBC, Toronto Star, etc).
As it is, the article provides little information on CAF. Instead it reads like an overwhelming amount of non-notable criticism of CAF's position on Israel/Palestine. Poyani ( talk) 20:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
The National Post is as mainsteam a source as The Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star (and certainly the tax-payer funded CBC). If you feel any of the information here is inaccurate or has been mis-represented, please point it out. If you want to add more material to this article, feel free too. As for your second claim, under the Presdiency of Khaled Mouammar (during which the CAF has announced that it is the victim of a "well-planned Zionist campaign", amoung other things), the CAF has taken very many public and often controversial stands on issues relating to the Israel/Palestine Conflict, as well as other issues (e.g. Vice-President Ali Mallah's description of Tarek Fatah as a "house [n-word]" or of Stephen Harper as a "coward"), which is why this material comprises a large portion of this article.( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 07:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC))
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I have returned this page to my original design but I have removed the references to Tarek Fatah's blog since, as was correctly pointed out, blogs are not considered acceptable references. However, the rest of my writing is properly sourced and referenced. If somebody disagrees with what I have written, please provide an explanation here (on the talk).( Hyperionsteel 23:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC))
Mouammar is extremely anti-Israel and repeatedly uses loaded and polemical language whenever the topic of Israel comes into play in the public or media.
This is editorializing and is not written from a neutral point of view. It's also original research. Not one of the sources you have provided says that.
Many of your edits that I removed were removed for this same reason. I am going to restore my version and ask that you think about the policies I have pointed out to you with regard to the material you are attempting to reinsert. Thanks. Tiamut 18:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I have removed some comments you claim to be editorial but I am keeping the rest. I've properly cited all sources, many of which were written by Mouammar himself.
In particular, I see that you removed the paragraph that noted that the Canadian Press obtained an email sent out by Mouammar which included the flyer - despite the fact that Mouammar claimed that he had no role in distributing it. The source for this is a CTV news, which is one of the largest news organizations in Canada.
Also, the quotes I cite regarding Zafar Bangash were, in the most part - written by him (which is why I've kept them)
I would like to state that I think you are misintrepriting the meaning of "neutral" with regard to Wikipedia. Neutral refers to the format in which the information presented. It does not mean that the information itself must be altered to appear neutral. I suggest you think about that.
If you must remove my material, please explain in more detail why my sources are incorrect/insufficient. If you feel I am taking a quote out of context, please specifiy what context I should take them in. S
Simply writted broad statements is not sufficient, in my view, to justify removing specific material. ( Hyperionsteel 22:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC))
I plan to revisit my sources on Zafar Bangash. In particular, I think this article should mention Bangash's 2001 article in which he concludes by calling for the explusion of Jews from Israel (you can read it for yourself here if you don't believe me: http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/movement01/pal-move.htm Hyperionsteel 23:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC))
This article is about CAF, not Bangash. Take your war with Bangash somewhere else. 142.214.60.130 ( talk) 15:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Bangash's views are indeed relevant to this article. Khaled Mouammar has stated that Bangash is "a man of dignity" who has not used the term " kuffar." However, Bangash's views, and his use of the term "kuffar" are freely available online (at a website he routinely writes for). This shows that Mouammar is either lying or is unaware of Bangash's views.
Mouammar, in his capacity as President of the CAF, gave an award to Zafar Bangash. It is correct to point out Bangash's views by directly citing his own writings. This information is very relevant because Mouammar claimed that Bangash is a "man of dignity" who has not used the term kuffar. I am directly citing Bangash's own writings to prove that Mouammar is either lying or is misinformed. Citing Bangash's own writings is more appropriate than citing a journalist's column in this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperionsteel ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I find it difficult to believe that Mouammar didn't know about Bangash's views and his writings. But even if he didn't know, evidence of Bangash's true views should be put forward. This is not a "hack and slash" job but rather a series of quotes, taken in context, from Bangash's writings. This is more accurate than a brief summation by a journalist.( Hyperionsteel 03:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC))
I'm not disrupting Wikipedia, and don't lecture me, Tiamut. I'm high-lighting the fact that the CAF gave an award to Bangash. CAF President Mouammar specifically stated that Bangash has not used the term "kuffar." I have cited Bangash's own writings which are freely available on the Internet in which he uses the term "kuffar." Thus, Mouammar was lying or was unaware of Bangash's true views. Either way, I have a right to point this out. I've cited Bangash's own writings on a website he routinely writes for - explain to me how that is unreilable. ( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 02:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC))
Again, let me spell it out for you. The CAF President, acting in that capacity, gave an award to an Bangash and defended him from criticism that he is an Islamist and an extremist. It is not disruptive to point this out by citing specific writings which are more accurate than a journalist's rehash. The CAF opened the door for this when they gave out this award.
You seem to express doubt that the "right-wing commentator" is credible since you refer to her by that term. I am citing Bangash's own original writings. Therefore, it seems I am more interested in accuracy than you are. Citing original writings is not "original research" and is a commonly used practice throughout Wikipedia. ( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 21:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC))
We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. Biographies of living persons (BLP) must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy.
Zafar Bangash refers to non-Muslims in a derogatory manner, supports the fundamentalist regime in Iran, seeks the destruction of Israel and the explusion of its Jewish population. Protraying him as a "bad man" is not very difficult.( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 05:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC))
Bangash is not the subject of this article, but the CAF gave him an award and defended him against criticism - which makes Bangash's views very relevant. If you think I'm taking Bangash's quotes out of context, feel free to explain what context they should be taken in. ( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 02:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC))
The award to Bangash is already ocvered in the article. I think we're done here. Tiamut 03:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Please add info from the following articles to balance out the latest sections attacking the CAF. This article by Haroon Siddiqui is good [1] and this one by CAF president Khaled Mouammar should also be used. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.41.111 ( talk) 04:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice this article has been taken over by criticism of CAF regarding its positions on Israel. It strongly appears that someone is using this article as a means to criticize in a very unbalanced fashion the Canadian Arab Federation. It is being done by sourced materials, but it is all designed to focus on the criticism of the CAF and to further that criticism. This is not a proper use of Wikipedia and this article is clearly POV.
I am starting to be concerned that this is a pattern that has established itself on a number of articles and as such may require a more systematic approach in dealing with it. -- John Bahrain ( talk) 12:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
In February 2009, Tarek Fatah, founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) sharply criticized the Canadian Arab Federation (CAF) in an article published in the National Post. Fatah, who received the CAF's highest award in December 2001, stated that the CAF's current leadership has turned the organization "into a mouthpiece for Hamas and Hezbollah in Canada." Fatah stated that the CAF used to sponsor debates on the pros and cons of the Oslo peace accord but today labels "any backer of the two-state solution [as] a traitor to the Muslim cause." [1]
Fatah opened by sharply criticizing CAF President Khaled Mouammar for calling Immigration Minister Jason Kenney a "professional whore" because Mr. Kenney criticized the display of Hamas and Hezbollah flags at a CAF-backed protest rally. Fatah also claimed that the CAF also referred to Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff by the same label. Fatah also criticized Mouammar for sending out an email during 2006 Liberal party leadership campaign which stated that " [Bob] Rae's wife is a vice-president of the CJC [[[Canadian Jewish Congress]]], a lobby group which supports Israeli apartheid." Fatah also stated that Mouammar sent Muslim delegates a flyer that stated: "Bob Rae supports Israeli apartheid. Don't elect a leader who supports apartheid." [1]
Fatah stated that CAF's vice-president in Ontario, Ali Mallah, referred to the Muslim Canadian Congress in an online forum as " house negros." He also claimed that Mallah sent out an e-mail message that was headlined: "Dion, Rae & Cotler: pro-Apartheid & anti-Human Rights." Fatah claimed the message also contained the flowing remarks:
1 Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's handpicked human rights critic, Irwin Cotler, advises Israeli military officials on war planning, on how to spin the media following Israeli war crimes and on how to oppose Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights; 2 Dion's handpicked critic for foreign affairs and co-writer of the Liberal party platform, the unelected Bob Rae is a committee member of the Racist Jewish National Fund. As Israel's leading newspaper Ha'aretz reports: "it's well known that the 'national institutions' -- the Jewish Agency and Jewish National Fund -- primarily exist to enable institutional discrimination based on ethnicity." [1]
Fatah also claimed that Mallah attacked him personally, claiming that he has "no shred of decency of integrity left" and claiming that he served "Zionist masters." [1]
In response to Fatah's article, CAF Vice-President Ali Mallah emailed a response to a large group of recipients. The National Post later posted it in its original form. In the message Mallah wrote that:
Tarek Fatah has earned the the perfect description by Late Malcom X and prove to be a very loyal " house Negro". In this desperate attempt to malign CAF on the pages of Zionist mouth piece National Post, he is saying one thing correct: Yes, CAF awarded him that award, but that was when Tarek Fatah was cheating his way through and pretending to be pro-palestine, pro-social justice, pro-multiculturalism and Anti-Liberal Party...etc (I am sure that every one knows this sell out, is fully aware of the shameless transformation of this sorry case of human being). I admit that I was duped by his fake lies and nominated him for that award. Now, since he is totally exposed and has no cloth left, He should return that Award as he does not deserve the honour associated with it. [2]
Regarding Irwin Cotler and Bob Rae, Mallah wrote in the same message that:
As for Irwin Cotler, Who's been acting as special adviser to Israel's gov. in the last several years, even attending a high level [conference] in Herzliya to advise Israeli [officials] on how to counter, [academia], the media and public opinion re: Israel after summer 2006 War ([which] led to the Israel re-branding campaign). Here, the Video [for] all to see re: Canadian Liberal MP Irwin Cotler Advising Israeli Military Officials on War Planning. As for Bob Rae, he is a committee member of the Jewish National Fund which was found by Israeli court to be a racist group and cheating [Palestinians] out of [their] lands. [2]
References
Due to an edit war over the inclusion of a claim that Ali Mallah was videotaped assaulting a protestor, I've applied page protection to this article for a period of one week. This is not meant to be construed as an endorsement of either version of the article — but in my capacity as an administrator, it's my responsibility when such an edit war occurs to step in and get people to discuss the matter on the talk page rather than constantly reverting each other.
The disputed claim is as follows: Its current Vice-President, Ali Mallah, was caught on film assaulting and threatening a counter-protestor at a Palestinian Solidarity protest. The source is a video clip on the Crossroads Television System website, credited to The Michael Coren Show. I don't mean to suggest that CTS in general is necessarily always an invalid source for Wikipedia — but the idea that Michael Coren is a reliable and objective source for something like this (or really for anything at all) is making my kidneys itch. Nor am I too clear on why the incident described would be notable or relevant enough to even be worth mentioning here anyway, even if Coren were actually a journalist rather than an opinion commentator. YMMV, I suppose, but this needs to be discussed rather than revert-warred. Bearcat ( talk) 04:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
This article is absolutely atrocious. It is not at all a balanced representation of what major news organizations have reported on the Canadian Arab Federation. It relies overwhelmingly, on either the CAF and Khaled Muammar (whose press releases and articles are mined for cherry-picked quotes) and editorials from right-wing media in Canada.
In order to improve the article, we need to use a more balanced approach. We need to stop overwhelmingly rely on articles from the National Post and Sun papers and use more mainstream sources (like Globe & Mail, CBC, Toronto Star, etc).
As it is, the article provides little information on CAF. Instead it reads like an overwhelming amount of non-notable criticism of CAF's position on Israel/Palestine. Poyani ( talk) 20:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
The National Post is as mainsteam a source as The Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star (and certainly the tax-payer funded CBC). If you feel any of the information here is inaccurate or has been mis-represented, please point it out. If you want to add more material to this article, feel free too. As for your second claim, under the Presdiency of Khaled Mouammar (during which the CAF has announced that it is the victim of a "well-planned Zionist campaign", amoung other things), the CAF has taken very many public and often controversial stands on issues relating to the Israel/Palestine Conflict, as well as other issues (e.g. Vice-President Ali Mallah's description of Tarek Fatah as a "house [n-word]" or of Stephen Harper as a "coward"), which is why this material comprises a large portion of this article.( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 07:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC))
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