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Hello! Good to see a
WP:VA biography being brought to GA status. I will try to post my first review until the end of this week. Thank you! The
Blue Rider19:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks very much for taking this one! This is my fourth vital GA nomination. I'll be away over the weekend, so I'll probably get around to addressing your comments some time next week. --
Grnrchst (
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10:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
The Blue Rider: Thanks for the review. I'm going to need a few more days to get around to addressing your comments, as I've come down with something during my time away. Once I've recovered, I'll get right to it. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
15:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Lead
"in some cases even being considered second only to Fidel himself" contradicts him being "widely considered second only to Fidel Castro".
Removed "widely" to be safe. To be clear, the source in this case says he "bid fair to become almost as popular as Castro himself and was "the man best loved in Cuba after Castro". Let me know if you think this can be improved further. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Per
MOS:LEADLENGTH, it is reccomended that leads have 3 or 4 paragraphs, so I would suggest merging the first paragraph with the second.
Source doesn't say. I would have to look into this. He was already active in the anti-Batista movement, so I can only assume that was one of his main motives. --
Grnrchst (
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12:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The armed groups are the revolutinaries, the national army or both? I also take issue with how the word anarchy is being used, I understand that its popular meaning is being used here but maybe substitute it with chaos.
This doesn't appear to be the same person. Juan Pablo Chang Navarro was killed in Bolivia in 1967, where this "Chino Chang" was executed in Cuba in 1957. --
Grnrchst (
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12:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Do you think that Camp Columbia (Havana) merits a redlink?
Added. Thankfully this note made me realised I had unconsciously hispanisied the name to "Colombia", but all the sources use the spelling "Columbia" because the base was originally established by the Americans during the first occupation of Cuba. Glad I caught this. --
Grnrchst (
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12:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Why were the officers worried by the Castro's regime?
"Castro's consolidation of power, as well as the increasing role of the Popular Socialist Party in government, began to worry some officers in the Revolutionary Army" Is this not clear enough? I thought it was pretty obvious. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
13:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Was Cienfuegos gay/bisexual? If so, clarify that since two quotes describe him as gay and other as having a love of women.
Oh no, this was at a time before "gay" had the connotations of sexuality. I'm 90% sure they're using the original definition of "happy"/"carefree". --
Grnrchst (
talk)
13:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
This sections relies too much on quotations, try to rephrase it.
I've been looking at this section for a few days now and I'm still struggling with how I could rephrase it. These are all such subjective views of his personality that I'm not sure how I could possibly neutralise them into wikivoice. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:24, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Political ideology
All good here.
Leadership style
This section relies too much on quotations, try to rephrase them.
The quotations here and in the personality section were two places where I felt it very difficult to put it into wikivoice, because these reflections almost always come from personal perspectives. I can give it a go, but I already struggled with it in the first place. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
16:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Maybe try to say, "According to X Cienfuegas was Y or X described Cienfuegos has Y. If that doesn't work then it's fine. The
Blue Rider18:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, I've managed to rewrite the quotes in the leadership style section. I'll have to think further about the personality section though, as I'm not sure how possible it is. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
09:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)reply
All images are correctly tagged and have suitable captions, pass!
Stability
Some reverts here and there but overall stable, pass!
Sources
All source numbers are from
this version. Checked sources 1, 2, 3, 9, 21, 23, 41, 48, 58, 103, 117, 118, 191 and 233.
Source 1 is no longer available.
Source 9, especifically Quirk, says some run away to the mountains and other to the south, the text only has the former.
Copyvio
Earwig's Copyvio Detector points to
10,7% due to some partially copied sentences, I suggest them to be rephrased.
Not sure where the 10.7% figure came from, Earwig never showed that for me. It only highlighted a wee bit in the legacy section for me, so I cut it down a bit. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the
Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed
Hello! Good to see a
WP:VA biography being brought to GA status. I will try to post my first review until the end of this week. Thank you! The
Blue Rider19:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks very much for taking this one! This is my fourth vital GA nomination. I'll be away over the weekend, so I'll probably get around to addressing your comments some time next week. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
10:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
The Blue Rider: Thanks for the review. I'm going to need a few more days to get around to addressing your comments, as I've come down with something during my time away. Once I've recovered, I'll get right to it. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
15:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Lead
"in some cases even being considered second only to Fidel himself" contradicts him being "widely considered second only to Fidel Castro".
Removed "widely" to be safe. To be clear, the source in this case says he "bid fair to become almost as popular as Castro himself and was "the man best loved in Cuba after Castro". Let me know if you think this can be improved further. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Per
MOS:LEADLENGTH, it is reccomended that leads have 3 or 4 paragraphs, so I would suggest merging the first paragraph with the second.
Source doesn't say. I would have to look into this. He was already active in the anti-Batista movement, so I can only assume that was one of his main motives. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The armed groups are the revolutinaries, the national army or both? I also take issue with how the word anarchy is being used, I understand that its popular meaning is being used here but maybe substitute it with chaos.
This doesn't appear to be the same person. Juan Pablo Chang Navarro was killed in Bolivia in 1967, where this "Chino Chang" was executed in Cuba in 1957. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Do you think that Camp Columbia (Havana) merits a redlink?
Added. Thankfully this note made me realised I had unconsciously hispanisied the name to "Colombia", but all the sources use the spelling "Columbia" because the base was originally established by the Americans during the first occupation of Cuba. Glad I caught this. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Why were the officers worried by the Castro's regime?
"Castro's consolidation of power, as well as the increasing role of the Popular Socialist Party in government, began to worry some officers in the Revolutionary Army" Is this not clear enough? I thought it was pretty obvious. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
13:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Was Cienfuegos gay/bisexual? If so, clarify that since two quotes describe him as gay and other as having a love of women.
Oh no, this was at a time before "gay" had the connotations of sexuality. I'm 90% sure they're using the original definition of "happy"/"carefree". --
Grnrchst (
talk)
13:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
This sections relies too much on quotations, try to rephrase it.
I've been looking at this section for a few days now and I'm still struggling with how I could rephrase it. These are all such subjective views of his personality that I'm not sure how I could possibly neutralise them into wikivoice. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:24, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Political ideology
All good here.
Leadership style
This section relies too much on quotations, try to rephrase them.
The quotations here and in the personality section were two places where I felt it very difficult to put it into wikivoice, because these reflections almost always come from personal perspectives. I can give it a go, but I already struggled with it in the first place. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
16:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Maybe try to say, "According to X Cienfuegas was Y or X described Cienfuegos has Y. If that doesn't work then it's fine. The
Blue Rider18:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, I've managed to rewrite the quotes in the leadership style section. I'll have to think further about the personality section though, as I'm not sure how possible it is. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
09:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)reply
All images are correctly tagged and have suitable captions, pass!
Stability
Some reverts here and there but overall stable, pass!
Sources
All source numbers are from
this version. Checked sources 1, 2, 3, 9, 21, 23, 41, 48, 58, 103, 117, 118, 191 and 233.
Source 1 is no longer available.
Source 9, especifically Quirk, says some run away to the mountains and other to the south, the text only has the former.
Copyvio
Earwig's Copyvio Detector points to
10,7% due to some partially copied sentences, I suggest them to be rephrased.
Not sure where the 10.7% figure came from, Earwig never showed that for me. It only highlighted a wee bit in the legacy section for me, so I cut it down a bit. --
Grnrchst (
talk)
12:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.