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Both Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss pages are nearly identical. Recommend . Deaddebate ( talk) 00:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Disagree.Twins are notable as individual athletes. They do not compete exclusively as a team, they have competed and medaled separately internationally in 4-man boats and 8-man boats at notable international competitions. The selection and naming procedure for athletes in the sport of Rowing as governed by the IOC, USOC and respective NGB, is on an individual athlete basis. Should an athlete not be able to compete or decline to compete, only this athlete is replaced, not the entire team of athletes. Ricodecalo ( talk) 03:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. It seems very weird to me to merge two people's encyclopaedia entries just because they are twins. In terms of "notability", it is likely that Sergey Brin and Larry Page wouldn't have wikipedia entries if not for their relationship with Google, which was a joint venture -- does that mean that we should merge their pages too? Obviously not. I think the situations are analogous, and the only difference is that the Winklevosses are twins, and Brin and Page are not. Their twin-ness should not have an impact on the decision. Disclaimer: I am acquainted with the Winklevosses, although I haven't talked to them in years and don't know what their position is on the page merge proposal. Bayle Shanks ( talk) 08:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. These must be two separate entries as per usual encyclopedic content. Future events will likely be very different for these two professionals as they are still at the beginning of their careers (November, 2010), not historical figures who have expired. Just as every real encyclopedia contains two separate entries for twins, so every virtual knowledge base should also have separate information. Separate entries would seem to meet Wikipedia content standards. 24.177.3.8 ( talk) 16:48, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Agree. A direct comparison of the pages as they are now shows almost no differences between the articles; while there may be more information available on their individual accomplishments, etc., in the future, at the moment there's not enough to warrant two articles. Dysperdis ( talk) 09:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Agree. As above, the pages are nearly identical. ReelExterminator ( talk) 08:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. They each separately meet Wikipedia notability guidelines for their athletic achievements which are not conducted as a team. -- Crunch ( talk) 03:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Disagree Just because the contents of the two pages are very similar, they are two different people and remain so. Crunch (above) makes a very valid point about their individual athletic achievements, and their paths can only diverge more as they get older. Jim ( talk) 09:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Disagree As pointed out by Crunch and Triviator. If they weren't twins this merger proposal wouldn't even exist.-- Gonzalo84 ( talk) 20:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Agree The Winkelvii are only really notable in connection with FB. The issue is not that they are twins or separate people, but that they are in effect a single actor in the thing(s) of interest/note. 72.228.177.92 ( talk) 14:52, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I Merged ConnectU material to ConnectU article. Material is redudant, not directly related, and already exists in ConnectU article. I disagree regarding merging Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss, they are notable in that they both individually Olympians, while their achievements are mostly in tandem, they are individual achievements and they are not all identical. Johnnywalker56 ( talk) 16:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Ironic.
Wikiacurracy, after
changing your name to
BlueImpact to conform with
WP:UPOLICY, you have in your own words "
simply deleted the info off Tyler Winklevoss, Cameron Winklevoss...without discussing it here first. No decision has been discussed. I reverted your action until further discussion is made by other members." It is baffling how you proceeded to make the same type of edit that you yourself protested against earlier. Furthermore, you represented your edit as minor which it is not. Please refer to
WP:MINOR which states specifically, "A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute." It is bewildering how you considered this as minor edit when you previously set up this section on the talk page to discuss this very same type of major edit.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Johnnywalker56 (
talk •
contribs) 01:40, 18 October 2010
Merge Suggestion of /* ConnectU */ section with ConnectU article. Material is redundant, not directly related, and already exists in ConnectU article. Recommend . Johnnywalker56 ( talk) 19:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Ironic.
Wikiacurracy, you disagree with my suggestion of a merger of the ConnectU section in the Tyler Winklevoss article with the ConnectU article because you describe this section as already "a mere summary" of the info in the ConnectU article. You then proceed to
change your name to
BlueImpact and uniilaterally
merge the ConnectU section of the Tyler Winklevoss article stating in the edit summary that you
"trimmed to summary". I am dumbfounded at how what you described earlier as "a mere summary" was now ready to be "trimmed to summary". You performed the same exact edit and edit summary to the Cameron Winklevoss article. Your editing behavior is in violation of Wikipedia behavior guidline "Gaming the system"
WP:GAME, namely "attempts to circumvent enforcement of Wikipedia policies and procedures by using various tricks to make bad faith edits." It also constitutes "disruptive editing"
WP:DISRUPT, namely "a pattern of edits disrupting progress toward improving an article." You have also singled-handedly created an "edit war"
WP:EW with yourself. To date, you have violated no less than six Wikipedia guidelines and policies (
WP:GAME,
WP:DISRUPT,
WP:EW,
WP:PILLARS,
WP:MINOR,
WP:UPOLICY) while editing the article and talk page of Tyler Winklevoss and the article and talk page of Cameron Winklevoss.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Johnnywalker56 (
talk •
contribs) 02:44, 18 October 2010
The two merge proposals (by same person?) on the 2 brothers' bio pages were botched by not specifying a common discussion page for the two intimately related matters. Nothing can proceed until someone determines whether there is any material covered on only one discussion page (or covered differently between them), non-destructively refactors producing a complete discussion on one talk page, strikes thru the duplicate discussion on the other, and links them so that everything is transparent. (I will undertake that task if no one else does, but not tonite.)
(I have a number of comments to make in response to what appears on at one or the other, not least regarding the concurrent (and on its face competing) proposal to merge both bios to the company article. But making this more complicated, or rather trying for a globally correct procedure, can wait until we are procedurally repair the initial mistake and its effects.)
--
Jerzy•
t
04:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
While physically and even a lot in their business lives they are identical, they are still two different people, and Wikipedia should acknowledge that. The articles should stay where they are. The real trouble is that THE ARTICLES are written like they are identical. A ton of sections in the articles (Especially Tyler Winklevoss) need to be expanded.
—
AOC25(
Talk)---Dec 4, 2010 19:52 EST
I think it's better to keep them separate, even though they've done so many things in tandem. It makes it more interesting, and also reinforces the fact that although they share so much they're still different people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.149.250 ( talk) 08:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has gone on for several months with no one closing it. I support the merging of the page, but I don't see how we can determine consensus with the page structured the way it is. I suggest closing the discussion, with the decision being no consensus, and then reopening it, and taking a poll in a more organized fashion. Oldag07 ( talk) 17:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Who can report and post more to the German descent of the family Winklevoss (Pennsylvania)? 91.66.8.231 ( talk) 17:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Look, the Winklevi merit inclusion with an article in Wikipedia, but not two articles. What are they notable for? Two things:
They have no individual notability. I propose that Cameron Winklevoss and Tyler Winklevoss be merged together, probably at Winklevoss twins, with both titles redirecting to the twins. 76.106.149.108 ( talk) 18:52, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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Both Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss pages are nearly identical. Recommend . Deaddebate ( talk) 00:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Disagree.Twins are notable as individual athletes. They do not compete exclusively as a team, they have competed and medaled separately internationally in 4-man boats and 8-man boats at notable international competitions. The selection and naming procedure for athletes in the sport of Rowing as governed by the IOC, USOC and respective NGB, is on an individual athlete basis. Should an athlete not be able to compete or decline to compete, only this athlete is replaced, not the entire team of athletes. Ricodecalo ( talk) 03:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. It seems very weird to me to merge two people's encyclopaedia entries just because they are twins. In terms of "notability", it is likely that Sergey Brin and Larry Page wouldn't have wikipedia entries if not for their relationship with Google, which was a joint venture -- does that mean that we should merge their pages too? Obviously not. I think the situations are analogous, and the only difference is that the Winklevosses are twins, and Brin and Page are not. Their twin-ness should not have an impact on the decision. Disclaimer: I am acquainted with the Winklevosses, although I haven't talked to them in years and don't know what their position is on the page merge proposal. Bayle Shanks ( talk) 08:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. These must be two separate entries as per usual encyclopedic content. Future events will likely be very different for these two professionals as they are still at the beginning of their careers (November, 2010), not historical figures who have expired. Just as every real encyclopedia contains two separate entries for twins, so every virtual knowledge base should also have separate information. Separate entries would seem to meet Wikipedia content standards. 24.177.3.8 ( talk) 16:48, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Agree. A direct comparison of the pages as they are now shows almost no differences between the articles; while there may be more information available on their individual accomplishments, etc., in the future, at the moment there's not enough to warrant two articles. Dysperdis ( talk) 09:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Agree. As above, the pages are nearly identical. ReelExterminator ( talk) 08:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Disagree. They each separately meet Wikipedia notability guidelines for their athletic achievements which are not conducted as a team. -- Crunch ( talk) 03:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Disagree Just because the contents of the two pages are very similar, they are two different people and remain so. Crunch (above) makes a very valid point about their individual athletic achievements, and their paths can only diverge more as they get older. Jim ( talk) 09:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Disagree As pointed out by Crunch and Triviator. If they weren't twins this merger proposal wouldn't even exist.-- Gonzalo84 ( talk) 20:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Agree The Winkelvii are only really notable in connection with FB. The issue is not that they are twins or separate people, but that they are in effect a single actor in the thing(s) of interest/note. 72.228.177.92 ( talk) 14:52, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I Merged ConnectU material to ConnectU article. Material is redudant, not directly related, and already exists in ConnectU article. I disagree regarding merging Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss, they are notable in that they both individually Olympians, while their achievements are mostly in tandem, they are individual achievements and they are not all identical. Johnnywalker56 ( talk) 16:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Ironic.
Wikiacurracy, after
changing your name to
BlueImpact to conform with
WP:UPOLICY, you have in your own words "
simply deleted the info off Tyler Winklevoss, Cameron Winklevoss...without discussing it here first. No decision has been discussed. I reverted your action until further discussion is made by other members." It is baffling how you proceeded to make the same type of edit that you yourself protested against earlier. Furthermore, you represented your edit as minor which it is not. Please refer to
WP:MINOR which states specifically, "A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute." It is bewildering how you considered this as minor edit when you previously set up this section on the talk page to discuss this very same type of major edit.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Johnnywalker56 (
talk •
contribs) 01:40, 18 October 2010
Merge Suggestion of /* ConnectU */ section with ConnectU article. Material is redundant, not directly related, and already exists in ConnectU article. Recommend . Johnnywalker56 ( talk) 19:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Ironic.
Wikiacurracy, you disagree with my suggestion of a merger of the ConnectU section in the Tyler Winklevoss article with the ConnectU article because you describe this section as already "a mere summary" of the info in the ConnectU article. You then proceed to
change your name to
BlueImpact and uniilaterally
merge the ConnectU section of the Tyler Winklevoss article stating in the edit summary that you
"trimmed to summary". I am dumbfounded at how what you described earlier as "a mere summary" was now ready to be "trimmed to summary". You performed the same exact edit and edit summary to the Cameron Winklevoss article. Your editing behavior is in violation of Wikipedia behavior guidline "Gaming the system"
WP:GAME, namely "attempts to circumvent enforcement of Wikipedia policies and procedures by using various tricks to make bad faith edits." It also constitutes "disruptive editing"
WP:DISRUPT, namely "a pattern of edits disrupting progress toward improving an article." You have also singled-handedly created an "edit war"
WP:EW with yourself. To date, you have violated no less than six Wikipedia guidelines and policies (
WP:GAME,
WP:DISRUPT,
WP:EW,
WP:PILLARS,
WP:MINOR,
WP:UPOLICY) while editing the article and talk page of Tyler Winklevoss and the article and talk page of Cameron Winklevoss.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Johnnywalker56 (
talk •
contribs) 02:44, 18 October 2010
The two merge proposals (by same person?) on the 2 brothers' bio pages were botched by not specifying a common discussion page for the two intimately related matters. Nothing can proceed until someone determines whether there is any material covered on only one discussion page (or covered differently between them), non-destructively refactors producing a complete discussion on one talk page, strikes thru the duplicate discussion on the other, and links them so that everything is transparent. (I will undertake that task if no one else does, but not tonite.)
(I have a number of comments to make in response to what appears on at one or the other, not least regarding the concurrent (and on its face competing) proposal to merge both bios to the company article. But making this more complicated, or rather trying for a globally correct procedure, can wait until we are procedurally repair the initial mistake and its effects.)
--
Jerzy•
t
04:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
While physically and even a lot in their business lives they are identical, they are still two different people, and Wikipedia should acknowledge that. The articles should stay where they are. The real trouble is that THE ARTICLES are written like they are identical. A ton of sections in the articles (Especially Tyler Winklevoss) need to be expanded.
—
AOC25(
Talk)---Dec 4, 2010 19:52 EST
I think it's better to keep them separate, even though they've done so many things in tandem. It makes it more interesting, and also reinforces the fact that although they share so much they're still different people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.149.250 ( talk) 08:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has gone on for several months with no one closing it. I support the merging of the page, but I don't see how we can determine consensus with the page structured the way it is. I suggest closing the discussion, with the decision being no consensus, and then reopening it, and taking a poll in a more organized fashion. Oldag07 ( talk) 17:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Who can report and post more to the German descent of the family Winklevoss (Pennsylvania)? 91.66.8.231 ( talk) 17:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Look, the Winklevi merit inclusion with an article in Wikipedia, but not two articles. What are they notable for? Two things:
They have no individual notability. I propose that Cameron Winklevoss and Tyler Winklevoss be merged together, probably at Winklevoss twins, with both titles redirecting to the twins. 76.106.149.108 ( talk) 18:52, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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