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It seems she is trying to collect parts to build a terminator and/or design skynet. At the end of episode 6 it is shown that reese did kill andy, yet he left without taking the computer, turk. Who did take the computer? She seems to be expressing grief for killing the T-888 She looks about to smother reese with the pillow before Sarah comes in (she is worried he will recognise her, as he obviously does?) The title introduction says Skynet sent back some to kill john, one to help - implying Skynet sent her back. 87.194.193.49 ( talk) 08:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
If anyone else watches the show, they'd know her real name is Allison. This is documented and verifiable, so it is NOT VANDALISM. Please explain how it is.
Seems she was killed, but then again Jodie survived the same kind of choking. Who knows. Either way, Cameron seems to be reverting into Alison and making Alison's memories her own. -- A.Molnar ( talk) 16:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Cameron killed Allison. That's pretty obvious. Even if the snapping of her neck wasn't a dead giveaway, the fact that her eyes were stayed open would be. If she had just become unconcious, her eyes would have closed. The Terminator that became Cameron killed her and used her likeness for its flesh covering. As far as Cameron's model number and series, that's still debatable. We're still discussing this at the Terminator Wiki (terminator.wikia.com).
The spelling of Allison's name is unimportant. If it's spelled differently on the wall, that's just a writer mistake. They've been making a lot of those. Think of Martin Bedell. There were three of them in the phone book. But, why would a 16 year old and a ten year old be in the phone book? Also, the writers state that the T-888 (Cromartie, Vick) chassis comes in a variety of sizes. This goes contrary to everything that the Terminator Franchise has stated in the past; all endoskeletons that belong to a particular series are identical in every way. It's things like this that make me wonder if the writers are even fans of the Franchise.
Shawn Crapo 14:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sec 1971 ( talk • contribs)
What part of the franchise? Surely it’d be more logical for the model number to determine the size?
From a writing perspective- every Terminator with that model number would be played by the same actor.
From a Skynet perspective- it’s illogical to go to all that effort to copy someone’s face then to put it on a Terminator that’s too tall to possibly be that person.
—Preceding
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82.37.77.89 (
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Isn't calling Cameron a Gynoid more correct than cyborg? Therubicon ( talk) 22:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
No. 'Gynoid' is a female form of 'android'. It is also crass and indicates ignorance of the Greek lanugage. 'Cyborg' is a term derived from 'cybernetic organism' and is asexual. 24.18.154.183 ( talk) 04:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
These two sections contain over a dozen paragraphs and only one source. I'll give it a couple of days, and then I'm removing both sections completely unless someone else does it before me. That is, unless plenty of sources are added. Otherwise, those two entire sections look like little more than fan reactions and commentary. Chicken Wing ( talk) 22:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The 'characteristics' section still seems very out-of-place and more suited to a fan-site than an encyclopedia. I feel that it should be summarily removed. 24.18.154.183 ( talk) 04:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Move Parsecboy ( talk) 01:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Cameron Phillips →
Cameron (Terminator) — Per
WP:COMMONNAME, this character is "Cameron" and in-universe, "Cameron Phillips" was a one show alias, she's predominantly referred to as "Cameron Baum" in multiple shows now. —
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As mentioned in a previous section above, season two credits list her as "Cameron" 76.66.195.63 ( talk) 09:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
In "Samson and Delilah", Cameron sustains significant damage... John substantially repairs her chip in the field and reactivates her. It's very unlikely that John could be able to repair such a highly advanced chip. Might be the reason why we could only see him cleaning it. -- StYxXx ( talk) 05:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
"At some point, she is captured and reprogrammed by John and/or his subordinates to serve as their ally"
Has it been established that she was reprogrammed? So far, we assume that's the only way machine join the humans, but in Today is the Day part 2, it's revealed that they asked the t1000/1001 if it would join the humans. And earlier, when Cameron was interrogating Allison Young, she said there are some machines that want peace. It's logical to assume she was lying, but given that they do sometimes ask machines to join them, it seems less far fetched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thespyofcharles ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I understand that by virtue of being a machine, Cameron is to be considered an "it". However, Cameron is a cyborg (half human) and therefore can be fairly referred to as a "she". The actors, director, writers, characters, and pretty much James Cameron himself refers to Terminators as "he's" and "she's". She is a work of fiction, and this fiction recognises her as both female and anthropomorphic (spelling?). So referring to her as an "it" is questionable at this point. I think we should keep an open mind here. (This is in response to an edit conflict) VeranCorvain ( talk) 22:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
"The goal is to attain the greatest possible degree of accuracy in covering the topic at hand, which is also the basic rationale behind discouraging, e.g., unproportionally long plot summaries and in-universe writing."
Maintaining/attaining the most accurate point of view, that the character (and not the actor) is genderless, while at the same time avoiding the in-universe style of personalizing a robot as male or female, seems to note that the gender non-application seems on target. I'd add that the article is not damaged or intrinsically lessened in quality by the avoidance of gender descriptives when discussing the character. am fairly sure it isn't. And, looking over the examples you provided, could be altered to provide the same engaging content without gender specifics? I don't know, myself. IAR, and all that, this is what I did here and in other articles, with no loss of value, etc. Staying out of the storyworld and avoiding the shorthand used by those trying to describe something , and almost certainly not intending to create encyclopedic content seems prudent. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Traitor! (lol). Okay Arcayne, if you change this particular article, you must then change every single article on this entire wiki where your rule should apply (regarding fictional sentient cyborgs), otherwise you're not upholding the conditions. Good luck with that. I'm sure there aren't too many out there... right? o.O VeranCorvain ( talk) 20:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Life is really too short to argue about this in depth, but I will stop to say: this is absolutely silly. Gender is a social construct. The standard thing to do is assign he to characters with a male appearance and she to characters with a female appearance. Are you planning on going across Wikipedia and finding every article about a fictional android to change the he/she to "it"? What about supernatural entities or spirits that aren't meaningfully male or female in a biological sense, but have a human appearance?
Like I said, I'm not going to waste any more time on this argument, but I felt compelled to point out how silly this is. -- GenkiNeko ( talk) 22:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed this, it should be 'she', end of story ( 92.251.255.16 ( talk) 20:41, 4 January 2010 (UTC))
Hello friends,
If you've noticed, citation 5, I believe, is a podcast. However, the link is only to the page the podcast was formerly on. I have an mp3 file of the podcast in question (from much earlier), but I don't know how to link to it from the article. Could I possibly enlist someone's help in doing so? Thanks :)
The no erz ( talk) 05:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Some back and forth appears to be occurring in the article section Characteristics. I thought that both sides, coming here to talk it out, is going to be a lot more effective than the slim communique allowed by edit summaries. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Clearly, the emerging consensus is that the entire information isn't going to remain. Ou best bet at this point i to find a way to trim the section drastically. A good way to do this is try and rely on that information which can be cited externally (ie, not citing the episode). This seems the more encyclopedic route. Thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Coltan is NOT a metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.213.142.170 ( talk) 05:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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It seems she is trying to collect parts to build a terminator and/or design skynet. At the end of episode 6 it is shown that reese did kill andy, yet he left without taking the computer, turk. Who did take the computer? She seems to be expressing grief for killing the T-888 She looks about to smother reese with the pillow before Sarah comes in (she is worried he will recognise her, as he obviously does?) The title introduction says Skynet sent back some to kill john, one to help - implying Skynet sent her back. 87.194.193.49 ( talk) 08:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
If anyone else watches the show, they'd know her real name is Allison. This is documented and verifiable, so it is NOT VANDALISM. Please explain how it is.
Seems she was killed, but then again Jodie survived the same kind of choking. Who knows. Either way, Cameron seems to be reverting into Alison and making Alison's memories her own. -- A.Molnar ( talk) 16:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Cameron killed Allison. That's pretty obvious. Even if the snapping of her neck wasn't a dead giveaway, the fact that her eyes were stayed open would be. If she had just become unconcious, her eyes would have closed. The Terminator that became Cameron killed her and used her likeness for its flesh covering. As far as Cameron's model number and series, that's still debatable. We're still discussing this at the Terminator Wiki (terminator.wikia.com).
The spelling of Allison's name is unimportant. If it's spelled differently on the wall, that's just a writer mistake. They've been making a lot of those. Think of Martin Bedell. There were three of them in the phone book. But, why would a 16 year old and a ten year old be in the phone book? Also, the writers state that the T-888 (Cromartie, Vick) chassis comes in a variety of sizes. This goes contrary to everything that the Terminator Franchise has stated in the past; all endoskeletons that belong to a particular series are identical in every way. It's things like this that make me wonder if the writers are even fans of the Franchise.
Shawn Crapo 14:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sec 1971 ( talk • contribs)
What part of the franchise? Surely it’d be more logical for the model number to determine the size?
From a writing perspective- every Terminator with that model number would be played by the same actor.
From a Skynet perspective- it’s illogical to go to all that effort to copy someone’s face then to put it on a Terminator that’s too tall to possibly be that person.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.37.77.89 (
talk) 10:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Isn't calling Cameron a Gynoid more correct than cyborg? Therubicon ( talk) 22:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
No. 'Gynoid' is a female form of 'android'. It is also crass and indicates ignorance of the Greek lanugage. 'Cyborg' is a term derived from 'cybernetic organism' and is asexual. 24.18.154.183 ( talk) 04:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
These two sections contain over a dozen paragraphs and only one source. I'll give it a couple of days, and then I'm removing both sections completely unless someone else does it before me. That is, unless plenty of sources are added. Otherwise, those two entire sections look like little more than fan reactions and commentary. Chicken Wing ( talk) 22:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The 'characteristics' section still seems very out-of-place and more suited to a fan-site than an encyclopedia. I feel that it should be summarily removed. 24.18.154.183 ( talk) 04:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Move Parsecboy ( talk) 01:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Cameron Phillips →
Cameron (Terminator) — Per
WP:COMMONNAME, this character is "Cameron" and in-universe, "Cameron Phillips" was a one show alias, she's predominantly referred to as "Cameron Baum" in multiple shows now. —
76.66.195.63 (
talk) 09:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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As mentioned in a previous section above, season two credits list her as "Cameron" 76.66.195.63 ( talk) 09:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
In "Samson and Delilah", Cameron sustains significant damage... John substantially repairs her chip in the field and reactivates her. It's very unlikely that John could be able to repair such a highly advanced chip. Might be the reason why we could only see him cleaning it. -- StYxXx ( talk) 05:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
"At some point, she is captured and reprogrammed by John and/or his subordinates to serve as their ally"
Has it been established that she was reprogrammed? So far, we assume that's the only way machine join the humans, but in Today is the Day part 2, it's revealed that they asked the t1000/1001 if it would join the humans. And earlier, when Cameron was interrogating Allison Young, she said there are some machines that want peace. It's logical to assume she was lying, but given that they do sometimes ask machines to join them, it seems less far fetched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thespyofcharles ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I understand that by virtue of being a machine, Cameron is to be considered an "it". However, Cameron is a cyborg (half human) and therefore can be fairly referred to as a "she". The actors, director, writers, characters, and pretty much James Cameron himself refers to Terminators as "he's" and "she's". She is a work of fiction, and this fiction recognises her as both female and anthropomorphic (spelling?). So referring to her as an "it" is questionable at this point. I think we should keep an open mind here. (This is in response to an edit conflict) VeranCorvain ( talk) 22:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
"The goal is to attain the greatest possible degree of accuracy in covering the topic at hand, which is also the basic rationale behind discouraging, e.g., unproportionally long plot summaries and in-universe writing."
Maintaining/attaining the most accurate point of view, that the character (and not the actor) is genderless, while at the same time avoiding the in-universe style of personalizing a robot as male or female, seems to note that the gender non-application seems on target. I'd add that the article is not damaged or intrinsically lessened in quality by the avoidance of gender descriptives when discussing the character. am fairly sure it isn't. And, looking over the examples you provided, could be altered to provide the same engaging content without gender specifics? I don't know, myself. IAR, and all that, this is what I did here and in other articles, with no loss of value, etc. Staying out of the storyworld and avoiding the shorthand used by those trying to describe something , and almost certainly not intending to create encyclopedic content seems prudent. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Traitor! (lol). Okay Arcayne, if you change this particular article, you must then change every single article on this entire wiki where your rule should apply (regarding fictional sentient cyborgs), otherwise you're not upholding the conditions. Good luck with that. I'm sure there aren't too many out there... right? o.O VeranCorvain ( talk) 20:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Life is really too short to argue about this in depth, but I will stop to say: this is absolutely silly. Gender is a social construct. The standard thing to do is assign he to characters with a male appearance and she to characters with a female appearance. Are you planning on going across Wikipedia and finding every article about a fictional android to change the he/she to "it"? What about supernatural entities or spirits that aren't meaningfully male or female in a biological sense, but have a human appearance?
Like I said, I'm not going to waste any more time on this argument, but I felt compelled to point out how silly this is. -- GenkiNeko ( talk) 22:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed this, it should be 'she', end of story ( 92.251.255.16 ( talk) 20:41, 4 January 2010 (UTC))
Hello friends,
If you've noticed, citation 5, I believe, is a podcast. However, the link is only to the page the podcast was formerly on. I have an mp3 file of the podcast in question (from much earlier), but I don't know how to link to it from the article. Could I possibly enlist someone's help in doing so? Thanks :)
The no erz ( talk) 05:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Some back and forth appears to be occurring in the article section Characteristics. I thought that both sides, coming here to talk it out, is going to be a lot more effective than the slim communique allowed by edit summaries. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Clearly, the emerging consensus is that the entire information isn't going to remain. Ou best bet at this point i to find a way to trim the section drastically. A good way to do this is try and rely on that information which can be cited externally (ie, not citing the episode). This seems the more encyclopedic route. Thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Coltan is NOT a metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.213.142.170 ( talk) 05:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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