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This is a terrible page. WTF is chambray? Shouldn't the opening paragraph tell me that? I know it's a fabric, but what is it? Ridiculous.
Is Batiste the same? Xx236 10:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Isn't a Cambric shirt something you get buried in? linas 05:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Cambric is much older than Monsieur Cambrai and therefore could not have been invented by him - this derivation must therefore be considered bogus.
The word appears as "cambre" in the online Anglo-Norman Dictionary with several meanings:
♦ hemp ♦ linen ♦ cambric (linen cloth)
The Anglo-Norman dictionary includes citations for its use in literature with these specific meanings, dating from the 12th century onwards. Cambre is derived from the town of Cambrai in France which was a main centre of production ('Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 1928 edition'). As with many terms for fabric, its meaning has changed over the centuries and the term later came to be applied to cotton cloth, which was an extremely rare commodity in the 12th century.
Ranulfus 09:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ranulfus, I think the "Jean-Baptiste Cambrai" is from a botched edit from November 14, 2005 (replacing "first used in Cambrai"). Whoever put that in must've meant Jean-Baptiste something-or-other in Cambrai, France.
( Kejo13 ( talk) 19:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC))
The French WP article «Batiste» treats batiste and cambric as synonyms. Therefore the two English articles on these topics should probably be merged.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 10:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Editing the article "Batiste" was what led me to the Charvet article as well. There is so much information on the same topic in the Cambric article that a merge may be appropriate.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 07:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Batiste. Toile de lin très fine et blanche qui, selon la légende, porterait le nom de son inventeur, ouvrier de Cambrai au XVIIe siècle, appelé Jean-Batiste Chambray, industriel du XVIIIe siècle. En fait, le nom semble dérivé du radical flamand "batiche", qui signifie "battre"[...] Au XVIIe siècle, c'est un article de luxe : selon les Mémoires de madame de Motteville, l'épouse de Louis XIII, Anne d'Autriche, recherche les plus fines batistes pour ses chemises et ses draps. De 0,80 à 0,90m. Au XVIIIe siècle, la production se répand, en particulier dans le Cambrésis, en Artois et en Picardie. On distingue la batiste claire d'Artois, Picardie et Cambrésis, 0,70 et 0,88m, la batiste moyenne, la batiste écrue, dite toile d'ortie, la batiste hollandée, très serrée, très unie, comme la toiel de Hollande. On l'utilise pour les surplis et les rochets ecclésiastiques, les rabats, les cravates et les manchettes. La fabrication se poursuit dans le Nord au XIXe siècle, en particulier pour l'exportation à La Havane et dans les colonies espagnoles où la France se heurte à la concurrence anglaise. L'Exposition Universelle de Londres (1851) témoinge de la rivalité qui oppose France, Pays-Bas, Suisse, Bohême et Silésie dans le domaine de la finesse, où triomphent les filés anglais. les utilisations ne varient qu'à peine d'un siècle à l'autre : surplis, rabats, jabots, manchettes pour les gens du monde, les ecclésiastiques et les magistrats, garnitures de tête pour les femmes, draps fins, chemises et, surtout au XIXe siècle, mouchoirs. AU XXe siècle, étoffe, souvent blanche, mercerisée en pièce. Armure toile, tissée en écru puis blanchie ou teinte en pièce ou imprimée. Batiste cristalline. Tissage transparent, réalisé en fil retors au XXe siècle. Batiste d'ananas. Etoffe tissée avec les fibres collées (et non tordues) d'un végétal de la famille des broméliacées. Le tissage résultant est d'une extrême transparence. Batiste d'Ecosse. Catégorie de mousseline fabriquée à Tarare et à Saint-Quentin, mais aussi en Angleterre et en Suisse. L'apprêt spécial provient d'Ecosse. Devient le nom générique d'une étoffe en coton à texture très serrée. Batiste Maco. Nom de la meilleure qualité de coton très fine, proche de la batiste mercerisée ou même de l'organdi, au XXe siècle. Cambric. Toile fabriquée à Cambrai en écru, blanchie ou teinte en pièce, parfois apprêtée et calandrée, proche du nansouk. Autrefois tissé en lin, au XIXe siècle, le cambric est fabriqué en coton. Les plus belles qualités servent à confectionner du linge, des mouchoirs et des tissus à broder."Cotton Glossary". American Fabrics Encyclopedia of Textiles. Prentice-Hall. 1960. p. 91.
Batiste. A fine soft cotton fabric usually woven of combed yarns and mercerized for extra strength and luster. Corset batiste ai a strong, heavy, plain-woven cotton similar to poplin. Cambric. Closely woven, white cotton fabric which are finished with a slight gloss on one side.It seems I was wrong : neither name implies linen and batiste is always expected to be a fine yarn, althouh the AF encyclopedia motes, p. 254, it has been stated "the greatest thread [of cambric] was not even the size of the smallest hair". It seems I was wrong : neither name implies linen and batiste is always expected to be a fine yarn. I suggest merging cambric into batiste. Cheers, — Racconish Tk 10:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
This one is tricky. "Cambric" in English goes back to 1530 (as "cameryk", later also "cambric", "cammeraige", "camroche", etc.). The OED says that "batiste" is the French word for "cambric" but is used in English for a "fine, light fabric of similar texture, but differently finished, and made of cotton as well as of linen," with the first citation (as "baptist") in 1697.
So using the French "batiste" as a source for English "cambric" seems right. My first reaction is to keep the two articles separate in EN Wikipedia, and make the distinction. I'd love to do some digging on that concept "differently finished" but I'm not sure I own a reference that specific. - PKM ( talk) 16:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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A drink for children, made of hot water, milk, sugar, and usually a small amount of tea. [So called because it is thin and white like cambric. ... Earliest reference I could find is from 1882's 'Ting-a-ling', but usage persists to the present, mostly in genre/period fiction. 69.125.59.43 ( talk) 04:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
To add to this article: a photo showing a Chambray shirt. 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 01:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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This is a terrible page. WTF is chambray? Shouldn't the opening paragraph tell me that? I know it's a fabric, but what is it? Ridiculous.
Is Batiste the same? Xx236 10:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Isn't a Cambric shirt something you get buried in? linas 05:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Cambric is much older than Monsieur Cambrai and therefore could not have been invented by him - this derivation must therefore be considered bogus.
The word appears as "cambre" in the online Anglo-Norman Dictionary with several meanings:
♦ hemp ♦ linen ♦ cambric (linen cloth)
The Anglo-Norman dictionary includes citations for its use in literature with these specific meanings, dating from the 12th century onwards. Cambre is derived from the town of Cambrai in France which was a main centre of production ('Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 1928 edition'). As with many terms for fabric, its meaning has changed over the centuries and the term later came to be applied to cotton cloth, which was an extremely rare commodity in the 12th century.
Ranulfus 09:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ranulfus, I think the "Jean-Baptiste Cambrai" is from a botched edit from November 14, 2005 (replacing "first used in Cambrai"). Whoever put that in must've meant Jean-Baptiste something-or-other in Cambrai, France.
( Kejo13 ( talk) 19:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC))
The French WP article «Batiste» treats batiste and cambric as synonyms. Therefore the two English articles on these topics should probably be merged.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 10:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Editing the article "Batiste" was what led me to the Charvet article as well. There is so much information on the same topic in the Cambric article that a merge may be appropriate.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 07:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Batiste. Toile de lin très fine et blanche qui, selon la légende, porterait le nom de son inventeur, ouvrier de Cambrai au XVIIe siècle, appelé Jean-Batiste Chambray, industriel du XVIIIe siècle. En fait, le nom semble dérivé du radical flamand "batiche", qui signifie "battre"[...] Au XVIIe siècle, c'est un article de luxe : selon les Mémoires de madame de Motteville, l'épouse de Louis XIII, Anne d'Autriche, recherche les plus fines batistes pour ses chemises et ses draps. De 0,80 à 0,90m. Au XVIIIe siècle, la production se répand, en particulier dans le Cambrésis, en Artois et en Picardie. On distingue la batiste claire d'Artois, Picardie et Cambrésis, 0,70 et 0,88m, la batiste moyenne, la batiste écrue, dite toile d'ortie, la batiste hollandée, très serrée, très unie, comme la toiel de Hollande. On l'utilise pour les surplis et les rochets ecclésiastiques, les rabats, les cravates et les manchettes. La fabrication se poursuit dans le Nord au XIXe siècle, en particulier pour l'exportation à La Havane et dans les colonies espagnoles où la France se heurte à la concurrence anglaise. L'Exposition Universelle de Londres (1851) témoinge de la rivalité qui oppose France, Pays-Bas, Suisse, Bohême et Silésie dans le domaine de la finesse, où triomphent les filés anglais. les utilisations ne varient qu'à peine d'un siècle à l'autre : surplis, rabats, jabots, manchettes pour les gens du monde, les ecclésiastiques et les magistrats, garnitures de tête pour les femmes, draps fins, chemises et, surtout au XIXe siècle, mouchoirs. AU XXe siècle, étoffe, souvent blanche, mercerisée en pièce. Armure toile, tissée en écru puis blanchie ou teinte en pièce ou imprimée. Batiste cristalline. Tissage transparent, réalisé en fil retors au XXe siècle. Batiste d'ananas. Etoffe tissée avec les fibres collées (et non tordues) d'un végétal de la famille des broméliacées. Le tissage résultant est d'une extrême transparence. Batiste d'Ecosse. Catégorie de mousseline fabriquée à Tarare et à Saint-Quentin, mais aussi en Angleterre et en Suisse. L'apprêt spécial provient d'Ecosse. Devient le nom générique d'une étoffe en coton à texture très serrée. Batiste Maco. Nom de la meilleure qualité de coton très fine, proche de la batiste mercerisée ou même de l'organdi, au XXe siècle. Cambric. Toile fabriquée à Cambrai en écru, blanchie ou teinte en pièce, parfois apprêtée et calandrée, proche du nansouk. Autrefois tissé en lin, au XIXe siècle, le cambric est fabriqué en coton. Les plus belles qualités servent à confectionner du linge, des mouchoirs et des tissus à broder."Cotton Glossary". American Fabrics Encyclopedia of Textiles. Prentice-Hall. 1960. p. 91.
Batiste. A fine soft cotton fabric usually woven of combed yarns and mercerized for extra strength and luster. Corset batiste ai a strong, heavy, plain-woven cotton similar to poplin. Cambric. Closely woven, white cotton fabric which are finished with a slight gloss on one side.It seems I was wrong : neither name implies linen and batiste is always expected to be a fine yarn, althouh the AF encyclopedia motes, p. 254, it has been stated "the greatest thread [of cambric] was not even the size of the smallest hair". It seems I was wrong : neither name implies linen and batiste is always expected to be a fine yarn. I suggest merging cambric into batiste. Cheers, — Racconish Tk 10:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
This one is tricky. "Cambric" in English goes back to 1530 (as "cameryk", later also "cambric", "cammeraige", "camroche", etc.). The OED says that "batiste" is the French word for "cambric" but is used in English for a "fine, light fabric of similar texture, but differently finished, and made of cotton as well as of linen," with the first citation (as "baptist") in 1697.
So using the French "batiste" as a source for English "cambric" seems right. My first reaction is to keep the two articles separate in EN Wikipedia, and make the distinction. I'd love to do some digging on that concept "differently finished" but I'm not sure I own a reference that specific. - PKM ( talk) 16:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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A drink for children, made of hot water, milk, sugar, and usually a small amount of tea. [So called because it is thin and white like cambric. ... Earliest reference I could find is from 1882's 'Ting-a-ling', but usage persists to the present, mostly in genre/period fiction. 69.125.59.43 ( talk) 04:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
To add to this article: a photo showing a Chambray shirt. 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 01:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)