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Archive 1 |
Much of this information comes from [1] and [2]. [3] is a 1929 map of the park.
64 mile toll road built by Great Sierra Wagon Road Company, subsidiary of Great Sierra Consolidated Silver Company, ran from Big Oak Flat-Yosemite Valley road (Forest Route 1S11/Tioga Pass Road) near Crocker's Station (began at Forest Route 1S11 and Tioga Pass Road) east along road (including Evergreen Road) and trail, crossing current Tioga Pass Road at McSwain Meadows, and then roughly paralleling it to Tioga Mine (Great Sierra Mine), just beyond Tioga Pass
Government bought the 53 mi in the park in 1915, and that year the state legislature appropriated money to buy the 7 mi from the Big Oak Flat road to the western park boundary
The state also got the 1 mile east of the park - that was apparently the same law
1915 c. 306, approved May 18, 1915
Established by state law, ended up being 12.3 miles (just east of Tioga Pass to Route 23) - or 10.5 miles with the rest added in 1917?
1899 c. 26, approved February 23, 1899
[4] says this was the first road built by the state.
[5] is the law for the extension. This seems to be a very short extension; Mono Lake Post Office is on US 395 north of Lee Vining.
Big Oak Flat Road was a 32 mile toll road from Jack Bell sawmill (where?) to Cascade Creek (in the park at The Cascades)
A 27 mile county road connected the Tuolomne lateral state highway near Chinese Camp with the Big Oak Flat Road
State acquired both in 1915, giving it, in addition to the main route, a 14 mile branch from Sequoia to Cascade Creek, 8 miles of which is in the park (but state maintained)
1915 c. 396, approved May 19, 1915
[6] talks about the Coulterville Road; is that this road? I don't think so; Gin Flat is north rather than south of the current road.
By 1918 the park service maintained the Big Oak Flat Road within the park: [7] When did the park boundary change? By 1947
From the maps at
[9] you can see that Mono Lake to Benton was an existing road.
To the west, those maps and these use the following names:
[10] shows a route via Farmington and Sonora Road. [11] also shows it, while the auto trails use SR 132, as they do on [12] - or is it SR 108 from Modesto? The 1924 map on [13] shows Stockton-Escalon-Oakdale via Mariposa Road, and so does [14]. [15] says that the route via Farmington "was the road from Stockton to the gold country".
The extension legislated in 1917 was not built unless it was present SR 120 from US 395 east to Mono Mills. You can see on [16] that the east end of the road was just south of the existing intersection, and the county road to Mono Mills was Picnic Grounds Road/Test Station Road.
-- NE2 17:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Apparently Mossdale to Manteca was Route 120 by 1939, and definitely by 1942. Also see Talk:U.S. Route 99W (central California).
Apparently Route 66 was added from US 50 to US 99 in 1921 ( state law confirming that) and US 99 to SR 108 in 1933. Route 40 was extended to US 6 in 1933, and the branch to Nevada (SR 167) was added in 1953.
Starts getting a bit less flat east of Oakdale
Stays at about 1000 for a while
Climbs quickly with hairpins
Slow climb
Searching for "Big Oak Flat Road" also gives three bridges and three tunnels on the new alignment (1936-38) within the park. -- NE2 09:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
There are a lot of photos on Flickr, probably all within the park though: [17] [18] may be good. -- NE2 09:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Even though I'm still sore about that last exchange, I WILL say this; THAT looks good! What happens when you bump the font size up on the postmile numbers? (I'm squinting slightly to read them. not MUCH, but slightly...) Edit Centric ( talk) 02:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
NE2 - You know, something that I've noticed through the years is that exit numbers normally approximate the miles from the start of the route, ie: Exit 152 on SR 99 would be about 152 miles north of the beginning of the route, south of Bakersfield. As long as we list the exit number(s), that should (in theory) take care of the state postmile. Remaining to be listed are the county numbers, which you're working on. Just a thought.
Also, there's a few others noting the font "smallness". Can it be bumped up just a bit? Where is it now? Edit Centric ( talk) 04:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
AL2TB - This is the format that NE2 is currently working, if I'm not mistaken. In the future, I would suggest positing the question in talk BEFORE going in and making blanket changes to an article. Even better, try going onto the IRC channel and inquiring there, there are quite a few knowledgeable WP:USRD editors there that know what's going on with exit list templates, style guidelines and such... Edit Centric ( talk) 21:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Much of this information comes from [1] and [2]. [3] is a 1929 map of the park.
64 mile toll road built by Great Sierra Wagon Road Company, subsidiary of Great Sierra Consolidated Silver Company, ran from Big Oak Flat-Yosemite Valley road (Forest Route 1S11/Tioga Pass Road) near Crocker's Station (began at Forest Route 1S11 and Tioga Pass Road) east along road (including Evergreen Road) and trail, crossing current Tioga Pass Road at McSwain Meadows, and then roughly paralleling it to Tioga Mine (Great Sierra Mine), just beyond Tioga Pass
Government bought the 53 mi in the park in 1915, and that year the state legislature appropriated money to buy the 7 mi from the Big Oak Flat road to the western park boundary
The state also got the 1 mile east of the park - that was apparently the same law
1915 c. 306, approved May 18, 1915
Established by state law, ended up being 12.3 miles (just east of Tioga Pass to Route 23) - or 10.5 miles with the rest added in 1917?
1899 c. 26, approved February 23, 1899
[4] says this was the first road built by the state.
[5] is the law for the extension. This seems to be a very short extension; Mono Lake Post Office is on US 395 north of Lee Vining.
Big Oak Flat Road was a 32 mile toll road from Jack Bell sawmill (where?) to Cascade Creek (in the park at The Cascades)
A 27 mile county road connected the Tuolomne lateral state highway near Chinese Camp with the Big Oak Flat Road
State acquired both in 1915, giving it, in addition to the main route, a 14 mile branch from Sequoia to Cascade Creek, 8 miles of which is in the park (but state maintained)
1915 c. 396, approved May 19, 1915
[6] talks about the Coulterville Road; is that this road? I don't think so; Gin Flat is north rather than south of the current road.
By 1918 the park service maintained the Big Oak Flat Road within the park: [7] When did the park boundary change? By 1947
From the maps at
[9] you can see that Mono Lake to Benton was an existing road.
To the west, those maps and these use the following names:
[10] shows a route via Farmington and Sonora Road. [11] also shows it, while the auto trails use SR 132, as they do on [12] - or is it SR 108 from Modesto? The 1924 map on [13] shows Stockton-Escalon-Oakdale via Mariposa Road, and so does [14]. [15] says that the route via Farmington "was the road from Stockton to the gold country".
The extension legislated in 1917 was not built unless it was present SR 120 from US 395 east to Mono Mills. You can see on [16] that the east end of the road was just south of the existing intersection, and the county road to Mono Mills was Picnic Grounds Road/Test Station Road.
-- NE2 17:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Apparently Mossdale to Manteca was Route 120 by 1939, and definitely by 1942. Also see Talk:U.S. Route 99W (central California).
Apparently Route 66 was added from US 50 to US 99 in 1921 ( state law confirming that) and US 99 to SR 108 in 1933. Route 40 was extended to US 6 in 1933, and the branch to Nevada (SR 167) was added in 1953.
Starts getting a bit less flat east of Oakdale
Stays at about 1000 for a while
Climbs quickly with hairpins
Slow climb
Searching for "Big Oak Flat Road" also gives three bridges and three tunnels on the new alignment (1936-38) within the park. -- NE2 09:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
There are a lot of photos on Flickr, probably all within the park though: [17] [18] may be good. -- NE2 09:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Even though I'm still sore about that last exchange, I WILL say this; THAT looks good! What happens when you bump the font size up on the postmile numbers? (I'm squinting slightly to read them. not MUCH, but slightly...) Edit Centric ( talk) 02:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
NE2 - You know, something that I've noticed through the years is that exit numbers normally approximate the miles from the start of the route, ie: Exit 152 on SR 99 would be about 152 miles north of the beginning of the route, south of Bakersfield. As long as we list the exit number(s), that should (in theory) take care of the state postmile. Remaining to be listed are the county numbers, which you're working on. Just a thought.
Also, there's a few others noting the font "smallness". Can it be bumped up just a bit? Where is it now? Edit Centric ( talk) 04:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
AL2TB - This is the format that NE2 is currently working, if I'm not mistaken. In the future, I would suggest positing the question in talk BEFORE going in and making blanket changes to an article. Even better, try going onto the IRC channel and inquiring there, there are quite a few knowledgeable WP:USRD editors there that know what's going on with exit list templates, style guidelines and such... Edit Centric ( talk) 21:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)