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The fact that most of the "Political Scene" section (regarding current times) talks about left-wing politics seems to really be a bit of a stretch.
Seems to be a bit of bias regarding newspapers. Will change.
From what I understand, Albertans are generally pretty conservative.
brenden 06:01, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me where the data comes from interms of Calgary having the fastest growing population. When I checked the Statscan website, the latest available was for 2002/03 and it showed Oshawa, Ont. having the fastest growing population followed by Toronto. Furthermore, when I looked at Statscan's Airport Movements Report, Toronto's Pearson consistently had the highest volume of what it classifies as "private" aircraft movements which is what corporate falls under. As well, where do you get that it has the highest concentration of wealthy entrepreneurs under 40? How do you define a wealthy entrepreneur? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 20:36, 11 December 2004
When I checked CNSNEWS.COM, they reported the # of Americans living in Toronto at 250 000 and Vancouver's American pop at 200 000. This is fairly similar to what is reported in the US state department's website. Since when did 80 000 become greater than 250 000? If you are going to use stats, please make sure that they are fairly accurate, otherwise it makes a mockery of what what is being said about Calgary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 12 December 2004
You must realize that it is 80,000 in Calgary itself as there aren't really any suburbs. Whereas Vancouver and Toronto's 250,000 are spread over other cities (ie suburbs). - DJSasso ( talk) 13:11, 15 December 2004 (UTC)
What is your source for this? Nowhere did I see that the 250 000 figure is for the entire GTA, but Toronto, besides, according to the above mentioned sources, more Americans live in Mexico City than any other city outside the USA. Furthermore, according to the last statscan census, the immigrant population by place of birth for Calgary shows about 10 000 stating USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 15 December 2004
Considering that the population of Vancouver itself is just over 500,000 people I doubt that more than 30% of Vancouver is American to put your numbers in perspective. Toronto I agree its possible. I personally didn't put that paragraph in anyways but I have seen in past statscan reports that Calgary as a city does indeed have the highest portion of people with american citizenship living in it.-- Djsasso 05:29, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be much in the way of information on the city's layout or urban characteristics. This is especially worth mentioning because Calgary is (I think) one of the cities with the lowest ratio of people to space.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.178.93 ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 22 December 2004
Although this may be a different reference to Calgary's layout (or a reference in a different manner) but should the map thing at the bottom of the page not have 'Chestermere' to the east as opposed to Strathmore? It is closer and although nearly considered a part of Calgary, I believe it is on much the same scale as Airdrie.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyrin ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 24 December 2004
Not at all. The streets could only be considered too narrow for cars. For pedestrians they are just great. And one of the best parts of living downtown is that you don't really need a car... -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:35, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)
Would someone like to fix the wording at the end of the transportation section. The Streets do start at 0 but the addresses start at 100. I'm not sure how to word it...
On Mozilla Firefox, this article (not this talk page) seems to be extending too far horizontally, creating that annoying horizontal scroll bar. - Grick( talk to me!) 04:59, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
I believe I've fixed the problem. There were a couple of weird div elements (one in the Latitude/Longitude row, and one in the Mayor row) in the template. They had a style attribute:
style="visibility:hidden; position:absolute;"
Can someone explain what these were trying to do, please? With a hidden visibility, they don't seem to have any purpose. - GrantNeufeld 18:19, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid that I'm still getting the horizontal scroll bar, Grant. Your changes have reduced the page width slightly but have not completely fixed the problem. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:55, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
I know it's universally accepted in Calgary that the NEP ended the oil boom, but I think this article needs to be more neutral.
"With the announcement of the National Energy Program in 1981 the oil boom started to subside. The NEP was cancelled in the mid-1980s by the Brian Mulroney federal government. Ultimately, oil prices would plummet and Calgary's economy would suffer"
The above text implies a certain order: The NEP, the bust, and "ultimately" there are lower prices that hurt the economy. It tries to suggest the industry started down before the prices did. It's more complicated than that. The NEP was brought in with high prices. The prices quickly plummeted after, and stayed down. The inflation adjusted "year average" price of oil peaked in 1981, the same year of the NEP started. [2] It's very hard to figure out which was to blame more, and which happened first. There was a lot of other government regulation, such as price controls, and export restrictions, which also played roles. Rather than sort this all out here, I suggest the article just list the factors, avoid opinion on which came first. The NEP article can take care of the controversy. -- rob 3 July 2005 22:16 (UTC)
Sure seems that way...
I seem to recall that two big air cargo companies decided to ship through Calgary instead of Vancouver.
I am annoyed at the person who insists on using the term "International Avenue". This is the name of a Business Redevelopment Zone on 17 Ave SE. It is not the name of the actual street. Feel free to mention, as an alternate name, not *the* name.
From: http://www.internationalavenue.ca/about.html => "International Avenue is a vibrant business district with a diverse ethnic composition located on 17th Ave SE in Calgary"
Countless maps, like this transit map [3] and the rest of the CalgaryTransit.com web site, use 17 Avenue SE, not "International Avenue".
Go to http://canadapost.ca, input an address with both variants. Only 17 Avenue SE is accepted.
"International Avenue" is business brand name, used to promote an area.
Use of "International Avenue" is designed to promote a better image, for an area with a bad reputation. That's fine for the business community, but that's not the job wikipedia. As somebody already said, the whole article is written like a tourist brochure.
Many other streets, have an "optional" name, such as "Volunteer Way". So sound nice, but can't be used in addresses, and are rarely known by anybody.
-- rob 7 July 2005 06:49 (UTC)
Here's more proof. The BRZ member business *all* use 17 Ave SE, not "International Avenue" in their addresses. http://www.internationalavenue.ca/direct.html
Now can we please use the same "17 Ave SE" that all business use? -- rob 7 July 2005 07:01 (UTC)
I agree. Always have. -- Tyson2k 7 July 2005 07:26 (UTC)
I checked current wording, it's now fine. Thanks. -- rob 7 July 2005 07:59 (UTC)
...since there are no other Calgarys (if any) disambiguated in the page. Once more Calgarys (if any) get article, this can be moved back. -- Paddu 15:53, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just an interesting note... There is also another Calgary. This one is in Eastern Texas.
The use of the word 'neighbourhood' is disingenuous, as Calgary is subdivided by the City (the municipal government) into 'communities' and 'industrial parks'. 'Neighbourhood' is limited to (occasional) colloquial use. Furthermore, many of the 'districts' mentioned ('district' is not used by the City either, adding to confusion) are amorphous entities which have never been defined (such as the "Stephen Avenue Retail district") or have never been used at all, in formal or informal settings. "Rivers District"? "Arts District"? These place do not exist on any known map, nor have the vast majority of Calgarians even heard these terms before (myself included). The subsection itself reads as though the user who wrote it has never lived in Calgary, has lived downtown and has an infatuation with it, or is promoting the inner city communities for a special interest group. It should be deleted or rewritten in its entirety. -- 93JC 21:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
The following paragraph should be reworded. Originally it talked of communities that surrounded "Calgary and districts to the South". Now, it properly just talks of "downtown". However, when this change was made, it became necessary to reword the whole paragraph to properly name the communities that directly surround downtown. Then, in turn, name the further surrounding communities. For instance, the Beltline surrounds downtown, more so than "Mount Royal" does.. --
rob
05:55, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
"Downtown Calgary is surrounded by the first of the inner-city communities. These include Crescent Heights, Sunnyside, Hillhurst (including Kensington), Bridgeland, Renfrew, Mount Royal and Inglewood"
I think this whole section, needs some better wording. I'm not sure of its value. Any claims of numbers should either have an independent citation, or at least a citation of the *claim*, and a statement it's only a claim. This business of a growing movement, related to the G8 opposition is rather dubious. Also, saying where demonstrators came from (Southern Alberta), was a mistake, since it's hard to back-up. Protests at major international events are poor reflections of local politics, since many people come from outside, and leave the next day. My changes left behind poor wording, since I did not wish to unilaterally rewrite this whole section. So, others are welcome to improve it. -- rob 21:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone want to put in some information about city council in here? It seems to be obviously missing.
I removed the claim the Calgary Transit serves a population of 933,495. This was taken out of context, from the CaglaryTransit.com web site. Technically, there is a grain of "truth". The *exact* entire population of Calgary(proper) as of April 2004 census was this figure. Naturally, CT claims to serve all Calgarians. Hence it claims to serve 100% of the census figure. However, repeating this number in the context of this article was misleading. In the context of this article, it implies that 933,495 make at least some use of CT, which is not the case. Using this logic, no matter how few people use the service, the same number could be claimed. We state the city's population (CMA) at the top of article, there's no need to repeat any figure for the total population under "Transportation". -- rob 14:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
It makes no sense to list "National Post" and "Global and Mail" as Calgary newspapers. Yes, they are widely available in Calgary, but so is the Christian Science Monitor, Toronto Star, and assorted other paper. Of course, with the internet now, virtually all newspapers are available everywhere. This isn't the olden days, when what you could read depended on where you lived. The information on them in the links is redandant with all the other mentions of them. The link mentions who owns the papers. What if that changes? Will somebody go to every Canadian city article, and change the name of who owns the paper? I say just delete non-Calgary papers. Although, I can see an exception for "Calgary Area" or even Alberta-wide papers. This will make it consisten with the TV and Radio listings. Just imagine if we listed every TV channel available in Calgary. Does anybody agree or disagree. I won't do it if it's opposed. -- rob 3 July 2005 21:37 (UTC)
That makes sense. -- Derek Ross | Talk 6 July 2005 06:06 (UTC)
Actually, The Globe and Mail does have a Calgary Edition (says so right on the front page), although the edition delivered to homes and the on-street boxes may, and does, vary. However, I would still not classify it as a "Calgary" newspaper as the differences in the edition are primarily in the advertising, and rarely editorial (editorial differences usually only arise when late-breaking, significant events occur, such as federal elections). -- Neil 31 July 2005 00:18 (UTC)
The Calgary Herald is not a "local version" of the National Post. It's a separate newspaper with a separate history. Bearcat 07:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
The article had the following text:
I changed it to remove Royal Conservatory of Music which re-directed to the the place in Toronto. -- rob 01:59, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed a couple pictures (named in edit history) that were tagged in a way, that they're now subject to deletion. I have no opinion on their status, or whether they should be used (if validated). I thought it's good to remove them now since we have plent of pics, and there's no need for a red-link. If the status of the pics can be addressed, I'm fine with their return. Also, I frankly think its pretty easy to obtain PD/GFDL images for Calgary, since I'm sure a lot of editors here live in Calgary, have a digitial camera, and walk by a place like Eau Claire, quite often. As well, deleted images don't show up on your "watch list" of edited articles, but my edit, and this talk, will. So, this is a heads-up to anybody who thinks its really important to have those pics. I dislike those sudden surprise image red-links that have been happening in other articles. -- rob 11:02, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
As you have seen, I put this information in a table. I didn't use the standard quadrant system, since I wanted to keep downtown attractions together, and then show the position of other places, relative to downtown. Without actually making a map, it's impossible to show things perfectly, but I did try to sort each sub-list based on distance from downtown. I changed the name to "Attractions and landmarks", to make it inclusive enough, that I could put something in every box (but due-North is still blank). I thought the airport was a major landmark worth mentioning, but I'm not sure if it's an attraction.. -- rob 05:54, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
also, i would like to hear some of these other buisinesses that don't have the proper registers to accept debit. -- Chickendude 05:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
A few names that I have never heard used for Calgary have been added to the list of other names for the city:
Can anyone site an actual source for these, or are they just made up? -- GrantNeufeld 10:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
So, with the example given in the article:
What is that actually saying? It seems to contradict itself. Streets and avenue addresses appear to be numbered the exact same way. FireWorks 08:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
While I agree that the road numbering information is trivial to Calgarians, I believe it relieves a significant source of confusion to first-time visitors to Calgary - no other city that I know of has the numbering system Calgary does, with the exception of Edmonton, which also includes the street numbering information in its article, possibly for the same reasons (different author).
Respectfully, I need to disagree with the notion that “Wikipedia articles should attempt to remain somewhat general” -- many Wikipedia articles are extremely detailed, as they should be, and for Wikipedia to provide maximum value to the widest possible audience, arbitrary limits should not be imposed on level of detail. There are no limits to the breadth of articles, and it's not clear to me why there would be arbitrary limits to their depth.
By deleting the section, we are excluding an important audience (that of first-timers to Calgary). Someone help out please, and vote to reinsert the information (that is, if anybody agrees). Anybody? It sure is quiet out there...
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Add my voice to those who want street numbering mentioned, if it is unique to Calgary. I am not clear at all on how Calgary's system is different. So, it should be mentioned both what is in Calgary, and what is in other cities. I always assumed our street/avenue numbering system was typical for cities with standard rectangular blocks. If I'm wrong, I'ld like an explanation. The above comment makes an excellent point, that this article should be geared more to visitors, who want to learn more about the city.
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The section that was on this page earlier regarding the street numbering and naming system was removed because the information provided was relatively trivial. Wikipedia articles should attempt to remain somewhat general. This kind of information only adds needlessly to the length of an already lengthy article. This is the kind of information that belongs in a "road atlas", not a general reference article. If it is determined to be genuinely important (and I'm skeptical of this), then it should be significantly shortened, or perhaps even made into its own article... this is not up to me, and I don't think its necessary, however. -Tyson2k
Here is the passage:
What is interesting (and frustrating) is that while in both Edmonton and Calgary, the streets run North-South and the Avenues are East-West; in Red Deer it is the reverse. Transplants into Red Deer find it confusing. Cadillac 15:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
This article is pretty big, so this may need to go in a spin-off article. But, I think history should definately include all the annexations that have added to Calgary. I actually don't know how many there were. Some former towns like Bowness, Alberta have their own article, and can be linked to. Other(s) like Rouleauville (now Mission?), don't even have an article (as far as I know), but would be worth mentioning.
Since I don't know how many annexations there were, or how many communities were added, or what's to be said of each, I'm not in a position to judge whether it warrants inclusion here, a new History of Calgary, or even an Expansion of Calgary. But maybe its worth talking about. -- Rob 13:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe that either McKenzie Lake or Sundance was ever a separate town, but Midnapore was at one point -- perhaps this is what you were thinking of? 70.72.35.220 23:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
also, this could warrent a whole new article on it's own, for the annexation of land in all major cities.
I am now out of this conversation. Previously, I added comments, and then removed them (wishing to re-think this later). They were then re-added by another, then over-written, by that same person; who then accused me of editing his commens (falsely). Diffs:
my removal of my own comments,
his re-insertion of my comments, and
his overwrite of my comments with his response to those very comments. Frankly, this whole matter is hardly worth such sillieness. Now normally I would just strike-out my own comments, but if they're not responded to yet, I see no harm in removing them. --
Rob 00:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC) The preceeding comment was regarding a matter that was a simple misunderstanding, and is resolved (e.g. nobody is trying to remove anybody else's comments). --
Rob
02:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Just came upon this article. I think perhaps the annexation of former towns and villages should be small entry into the first section of the article, the history section, perhaps just a sentence or two, and then the names of said towns and villages could be linked to stubs for further discussion.. comments? Boones 23:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Having contributed to the Gauntlet in the past, I have to object to its inclusion on this page - which should be reserved for newspapers that are in the scope of a "city" paper. I would think this should include either subjects dealing with the city (not just the university community - yes, national events are covered but only within the scope of the university's reaction to them) or else distributed city-wide. The Gauntlet fails on both counts. Michael Dorosh 16:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
since im from clagary i tend to keep an eye on this articicle. in 2007 encana(which is a huge oil company) is going to build a multi-bulding office complex with one of the towers being about 48 stories tall and the other being either 58 or 62 stories tall so its going to the biggest. you might want to add that in the article.
By the way all the info about calgary being the fastest growing city and all the head office stuff is true. they add like a nebiorhood here every year.
I have removed this edit from the article: - "(**) There is still debate over whether Martin Gelinas really scored in game 6 of the 2004 Stanley Cup series. If he had, the Flames would have 2 championships"
Just because it was a bad call, it does not have to be put as a denotation next to Stanley Cup Championships. A bad call is a bad call. Every game has questionable calls, this one just happened in OT in Game 6. CWood 03:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree it was not a war "on" Iraq, but nor was it a war "on" Saddam Hussein only. You know, they probably named the article "Invasion of Iraq" for a reason, so why on earth would we need to wikify it as something else? Seems very POV to me. Let's keep the NPOV designation, which just happens to be the actual name of the article. I also think that entire political section occupies too much space in this article, as the groups it discusses are small and insignificant. Even if 10,000 people did protest the war in Iraq (given that the numbers come from event organizers, though, how likely is it that the higher number (which varies from the lower by 100 percent) is accurate?) that is still about 1 percent of the city's population and the statement is made that some of them came from outside the city. To put it in a brief manner, what do 2,500 shit-disturbers (a quarter of 1 percent of the population) have to do with the political outlook of a city of almost 1 million people? How many people in Calgary really care about the Iraq war in any significant way - it just isn't a part of daily political life. Michael Dorosh 19:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Under the climate section it says: with the month of June jokingly referred to by locals as the 'monsoon month'. I lived in Calgary for 7 years, and before that grew up ~50 km away and have never heard this before. Is this really widespread enough to be here? I don't really think it's one of the things that should show up when someone's looking for information on Calgary - particularly if it's only used by a small subset of Calgarians. Any thoughts? -- Sheena V 21:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
In addition I would suggest that the whole section is a bit unclear. It might be more useful to add a climate table similar to the one here. -- Derek Ross | Talk 22:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
My source regarding the newly added land area comment (about Calgary being bigger than Toronto and New York City) is the Wikipedia articles. In the case of New York I am only referring to actual land area, not the waterways that are also included. At present, Calgary is about 5 square kilometres larger than NYC but if the 150 sq km annexation goes through this year or next, its lead will increase. By comparision, however, Calgary is still a little more than 1/2 the size of the city proper of Los Angeles. 23skidoo 18:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I removed this article from the Wikipedia:Good articles nominations list due to the following:
i Also heard that calgary has one of the most diverse population, rated by number of languages spoken. but i am much less sue on that one Chickendude
it reports calgary as ranking first for cleanliness, from William M. Mercer. Chickendude 08:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I think this article is starting to get long, and at the same time, is lacking in-depth info on some topics. Currently, it is one of the longest and largest city articles in Canada. As such, I think we should start breaking some areas up into sub-articles. The article, Seattle, Washington is a good precedent for this approach. This is also a process that is beginning with the grotesquely long, Vancouver. I suggest perhaps starting with the transportation section. As one of this article's longest sections, it could benefit from a sub-article entitled, Transportation in Calgary. This article could be part of a network of articles under the category, [[Category:Transportation in Calgary]] to replace the existing, [[Category:Calgary Transit]]. There are also some sections such as, media, and industry and employment that could do with some expansion and the creation of sub-articles. Any thoughts? -- Arch26 06:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There are quite a few things that need resolving in this article that can only improve it. I have started a "to do" list above. Feel free to add/remove from it as users wish. -- Arch26 08:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Finally going to try to get some local Wikipedians together for a meetup here on May 15. Please refer to Wikipedia:Meetup/Calgary. — GrantNeufeld 09:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Simple edit of 'Mackenzie' area changed to 'McKenzie' to reflect spelling error :) - CanuckGod
Just a little FYI. Calgary's Metropolitan area is from Crossfield in the north west for a bit and south to Highway 22X and along the Bow river. Our population is the people in that space divided by that space. Mainly Agricultural lands. Edmontons is so big because it encompasses all the way around the city!
Having 4 people living on 40 acres would really shrink the density of a CMA. Toronto's CMA is virtually built up vs. agriculture in Alberta.
Wow, the Edmonton-Calgary corridor is so densely populated, just like the Greater Vancouver areas,Ontario's Golden Horseshoe, centred around Toronto, Ottawa/Hull's or greater Montreal's. The whole article sounds like something put out by the Business Development Department. Of course, we all know how honest the business community is, not to mention their integrity. I also like the way that the boosters have blocked acces to editting of what they have put on the main page.—Preceding
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"Although Calgary's winters can be downright cold" "The city's deep south is probably expanding the fastest" "The city also has a large number of urban parks" This does not strike me as proper language for an encyclopedia article. downright is obvious, probably shouldn't be used in this type of article, and large is a rather subjective term. These are just three examples, but the article is full of subjective language that doesn't provide any citation for basing its point on.-- Crossmr 21:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Where do they come up with the line that Calgary is Canada's richest city based on per capita income? I thought Oakville Ontario had the highest. Also, when stating that Calgary is the 3rd largest city in Canada, this is refering to the city proper which encompasses the entire urban area. It is a little misleading. Vancouver and Ottawa are smaller in population within the city proper, but when looked at from a continuous urban area, they are larger in population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 25 November 2004
Get serious, when speaking of the relative sizes of cities the metropolitan population is always used. Otherwise we sould say that Winnipeg is much larger than Minneapolis and even larger than Vancouver, Seattle, or Boston. Comparing city proper populations simply does not make sense. Calgary is Canada'a fifth largest urban area after Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, and Ottawa-Gatineau. -- 206.45.167.14 23:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
What is your source for Calgary having the highest per capita GDP? Furthermore, this does not necessarily translate to highest income per capita. According to Statscan, Oshawa Ontario followed by Ottawa and other cities had higher median household incomes last year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.210.8 ( talk • contribs)
Could anyone tell me what the source is or where I can find out about Calgary having the highest per capita income? I question the validity of this
The location map ( Image:Altacal.png) used in the infobox has been flagged for deletion by next week if license details are not provided. Arch26 ( talk · contribs) uploaded the image, but has not yet responded to the request to provide license details. — GrantNeufeld 03:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
From what I saw on the news tonight they haven't announced a tentative agreement. It is the first of 5 steps to reach an agreement on the land. -- Crossmr 05:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
There must have been more to it than that! That's like emigrating to South Africa because you like the taste of springbok... -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
In the 4th paragraph, it says "Geographically, Calgary has a larger urban footprint than Los Angeles." The area of Calgary is approximately, as listed in Wikipedia, 712 sq km, and that of L.A. is 1290 sq km. The author should clarify or correct this. -- User:Marcwenger
There is no single "author". If you think that it is wrong, you should have corrected it yourself. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:56, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
That's more like it! Cheers -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:22, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
I was the one who put the 712 sq km fact in. I read it in a pamphlet a year ago or so. Then today I checked out a website, trying to find satellite pictures for Calgary (There are alarmingly few) to try to find my house. Then I saw that the website I checked said that Calgary had 789.9 sq km. So, I put that fact in, although it's not hard to believe, since taking Highway 2 from north to south takes maybe 20 minutes without traffic, and about 1 hour with, or am I thinking of McCloud Trail? Either, way it takes 40 minutes to get from the C.O.P area to the International Airport, so that's a good benchmark. --
RPharazon 2:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
I had some problems with the "demographics" paragraph that was added on June 8 and I thought I should explain why I rewrote it. Firstly, I have no clue why it was haphazardly appended to the "History" section. Secondly, I checked the statistics with StatsCan and had to change a few. The author also stated that the city's population would increase by 100,000 by 2006 and that the population would be composed of 83.2% Caucasians by then. I am of the mind that statistics that project beyond the current year are not useful when describing the demogrphics of a place. They are good for trends only and are usually wrong anyway. I would also like to know what the author meant by, "1 in 4 Calgarians are non-professors"...? I suspect this refers to atheism, in which case it was very unclear. For now, it's been removed. I also had to fix the grammer.
I will quote the original paragraph in case anyone takes issue with my changes:
"The city of Calgary is booming, and it's age groups prove it. About 20% of the population is under 14, and only 9% is over 65 years of age. The older population rate is one of the lowest in Canada. High fertility, internal migration and international migrants are expanding the city rapidly.
By 2006, it is expected that Calgary's population will climb 100 000 people. Around 83.2% is White (2006 est.) and the White population consists mostly of those who are English, Ukrainian, and a small number of Italian. 5.9% of the population is Chinese, 4.6% Asian, 2% Filipino, and 1.6% Black. The remainder is mixed, non-White Hispanic, and West Asian. Christians are the largest religious group number 67%. 1 in 4 Calgarians are non-professors. Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus and Jewish make up smaller percentages."
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyson2k ( talk • contribs) 03:58, 9 June 2005
There was an altered comment here, too late to tell if it was Tyson2k who changed it logged out, or someone random.-- Crossmr 02:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the article needs more information on the municipal government. I've been working on Calgary_City_Council - do you think we could merge parts of that to this article? Ozzykhan 21:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me what the source is for Calgary having the 2nd highest concentration of head offices in Canada is? When I checked statscan, all I could find was the number of head office workers and it showed Montreal as having the 2nd highest number of employees after Toronto.
In an article by Bruce Little in the Globe and Mail last year, he stated that Vancouver actually had the 2nd highest number of head offices in Canada although Calgary did have more head office workers than Vancouver did. But Montreal still ranked second in terms of # of head office workers.
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I don't think that this link is as objective as Statscan's. I tend to believe their research more than that of the Calgary Business Development Association. Especially when I see a statement like "it is home to all of Canada's leading financial, law and accounting firms." I never knew that the major banks considered Calgary to be their home. Are there any other websites re:head offices that you can direct me to, especially where the number of head offices by city is listed?
When I checked the Toronto Stock Exchange's website, it showed well over 100 firms with head offices listed in Vancouver. The claim that Calgary has the 2nd most head offices may commonly appear in some papers, but this is not what I saw in an article by economist Bruce Little in the GLobe and Mail last year. The claim to 2nd most head offices may just be an urban myth that keeps feeding on itself. You are correct in stating that this is the realm of business and economics, however business development associations are there to "toot" their own horn and sell their cities, as a result the information they provide may not be totally accurate or may be skewed. All that I ask is for the source of the study that ranks Calgary second, along with an accompanying explanation. So far, the only one in existence re: rankings of head offices and cities that I have found comes from statscan.
You are correct in saying that there is much ambiguity in the number of head offices. This is why it is perhaps not a very meaningful statistic. Furthermore, it is also why why statscan does not publish head office data based on # of units, but on number of managerial employees. I have spoken with the econometricians at statscan who have worked on such studies (their names and contact #s can be found at the end of the studies found on the statscan website)they believe that the number of units is meaningless due to the fact that for tax and liability issues some companys set up many other companys. For example,a bank may have several other companies created. Thus the number of head office units is more a reflection of these legal issues than of other economic factors. If the law is such that a company is better off setting up other divisions rather than keeping one company unit, then more units are created with employees shuffled off under these units. You state that the Financial Post also states that Calgary has the 2nd highest # of head offices. In a January 2005 report, they also state that Quebec has more of the FP500 head offices than Alberta, 156 to 104, respectively. Since head offices are usually located in major cities, then we can most likely assume that Montreal has more of the FP500 head offices than Calgary. Hence since what exactly is meant by head office and head office units is ambiguous, then to state that Calgary has the second most head offices units is itself an ambiguous statement and therefore should not be considered as a fact. A more accurate statement would be to say, based on Statscan's most recent study which is slightly more than a year old that Calgary has the third highest number of head office employees. This study showed that Montreal had about 35000 head office workers compared to Calgary's 16 000. I doubt it that Calgary has surpassed Montreal in this regard since this study was carried out. Statscan is a highly respected non-biased institution that all Canadians pay for. It is there to report facts as accuartely as possible. It is not there to push a cause for some particular group. If we wish this site to be accurate, then perhaps we should strive to make it as least ambiguous as possible.
I don't have any proof but I have seen, heard and read the statistic quoted an uncountable number of times. I'm not sure of the requirements for something to be considered a head office. -- Sven Erixon 08:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
According to Statcan's latest report on head office counts (The Daily, July 13, 2006) Calgary is 4th after Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver in terms of number of head offices. Furthermore, it ranks third after Toronto and Montreal in terms of head office employment. (BF) - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.210.8 ( talk • contribs)
As a matter of fact, according to Statcan (
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-010-XIB/11-010-XIB2006007.pdf), Calgary has never had the 2nd most number of head offices in Canada. Their July 13, 2006 study goes back to 1999 and in each of the years to 2005 (the last year of the study) Calgary has never had the 2nd most head offices.
(BF)
Yes, I have read it. If you refer to p.28 of this statcan link ( http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-010-XIB/11-010-XIB2006007.pdf) you will see that the number of head office units is given. According to Statcan, Calgary has never ranked 2nd, at most it has ranked fourth. Perhaps you should read the report. (BF)
I see, you are using a different definition of a head office than that used by our national publicly funded agency. Could you please refer me to an actual study stating its methodology and what is meant by a head office and a ranking of Canadian cities, specifically where Calgary is rated 2nd? Similar to a study that Statscan has done? I still trust and believe Statscan's findings and find it hard to refute their study, methodology and non-bias.
I have not fabricated anything. All that I am saying is that according to Statscan's research and definition of a head office unit, i.e. number of head offices, Calgary ranks fourth and not second in Canada. All of these links provided just state that Calgary ranks 2nd, but none state their source. I believe that it is an urban myth that just keeps getting repeated. Unless a reliable source of the study is stated, then I will keep believing what Statscan publishes.
On p. 22 of Statscan's report, one can clearly see on the graph that head office units refers to number of head offices. Furthermore, according to the report, the head offices measured refer to business/corporate (p.20) head offices. Until you can find a current study contradicting the latest one done by Statscan, I think that you should go by this and state that Calgary does indeed rank 4th in terms of number of head offices.
The introduction to the Statscan study clearly states that one of the reasons for the study is to examine the effect of foreign takeovers on Canadian corporations. The study is examining corporate head offices. I am quite aware that a business is not necessarily a corporation. The reason that I used the term business is because Statscan used it in their summary, but when one reads the actual report, they are referring to corporate head offices. Again, until a current study from a reputable source is found stating that Calgary has the 2nd most head offices, I suggest that we use Statscan's findings and state that Calgary ranks 4th in terms of the number of corporate head offices in Canada. I do not know why you're stubbornly sticking to 2nd? Could you please look at p.22, the graph clearly shows that a head office unit does refer to the number of head offices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.210.8 ( talk • contribs) 02:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not making any assumptions or misrepressenting any study. The study is there for all to see.If in WIKIPEDIA you make a claim that contradicts what Statscan's recent research states, then you should back it up with a proper study from an unbiased source, since you are the one who is managing this sight. Who I am is irrelevant. Let us stick to the issue. You said that you will try to find a study for your claim. Obviously you have not found it. Until you do, then I think that we should stick to what Statscan has found and state that Calgary ranks 4th in terms of number of head offices. Until you can back up your claim, I have no more to say on this issue.
I have emailed EDC and they have yet to respond to me. I have also called Statcan, (the name of the statisticians conducting the study is listed for all to contact). They stand by their findings. Again, I believe their unbiased report more than I believe EDC whose mission is to sell something. BTW, what is their claim based on, obviously it is not public knowledge. Perhaps as administrator you can back up the claim with an unbiased study that is there for all to see. I am still waiting as most seekers of truth would be. You are making this claim in Wikipidia without an appropriate study to back it up. You do have a valid source (Statcan) that has conducted a study that you should rely on more than any other. Until you find otherwise, then it should be stated that Calgary ranks 4th in terms of number of head offices. Until you can back your claim up, then please do not "bloat" this "poor" page.
It is simple how they come up with Calgary being #2. It is the number of companies with gross revenue greater than some cut off that have their senior management based in the city. Stats Canada is measuring something completely different stop being a douche bag and leave it alone already.
To the eloquently spoken person who has made the inappropriate comment above, could you please provide more specific details about your comments re: number of head offices related to gross revenues?, i.e. can you direct me to the study or report, or is it just hear-say again with no appropriate backing?
If you refer to the July/August 2006 issue of the globe and mail's report on business magazine at http://www.theglobeandmail.com/robmagazine/, the top 50 companies by revenue are listed. Again, by this measure Calgary does not rank second, but Montreal does, after Toronto. For those stating that Calgary ranks second by measure of revenue, was some arbitrary cut-off chosen until Calgary came in at 2nd, if it indeed is at this rank? You see why Statscan's measure is better. It is unbiased and more inclusive.
Ok here is something that can be reported as fact. Calgary has the 2nd most head offices in canada when using the measure: # of head offices by the top 50 most profitable companies in canada source http://www.theglobeandmail.com/v5/content/tp1000/index.php Now you can go cry in a dark room frenchie
Who wrote "Calgary is affectionately called the Nashville of the North"? This is not true. Calgary has almost no music recording industry. There's an "active country" scene once a year during Stampede, which sees country music being played, not recorded. Nashville is a recording centre. Also, Nashville North implies something like the "opry". Nothing in Calgary resembles that. Hopefully the author will delete this.
Nashville North is the name of a building on the Stampede Grounds which features live country music during the Stampede [16]... Perhaps this is the source of the confusion??? SKE 21:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
There is an error with the area of the city.. In the article it claims the area is 721 km/sq.. on the right it claims it's 789.9 km/sq.. And with the recent annexation of 150 km/sq neither number is really correct.(Anonymous comment)
I don't think I support blanking the existing information in favour of linking to something on a possible questionable motive. The change was made by someone who created the John Glenn article, which is currently being checked for possibly copyright violation. Until this is sorted out and we can definitely say who was here first, lets leave it as is. Anwyay I don't support a change without discussion fo the matter at least. -- Crossmr 21:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you - I appreciate some support here. The copyright violation is only for a photo and only because I am new to wikipedia and wasn't sure which category to choose when I uploaded it - it's not truly a copyright violation.
John Glenn was the first settler in Calgary, I'm not trying to take anything away from Sam Livingston - I admire him too, he and John Glenn were good friends and fought for western rights together.
I'm also not trying to be difficult, I just know what I know and the facts back me up. No one who knows Calgary history will state that Sam Livingston was the first settler. -- (unsigned comment by TrailMix)
Ok, I may have taken artistic license on the text, I didn't realize that was what they were talking about as I didn't see the page as it is now until it was mentioned above today, as I mentioned earlier, I am new to Wikipedia and I wasn't aware of all their rules (I know, I know, I should have read it first).
So you are saying that the Government of Alberta site, the University of Calgary and the Bow Valley Ranche sites are not unbiased? For the record, I am not part of any of these organizations and had nothing to do with their text.
I've pondered why some sources are so vague, basically I have decided it is because SL has been alluded to for so long that people are having a tough time back peddling on it now - it's tough to skew history and then admit it when people are trying to correct it.
The Bow Valley Ranche doesn't have John Glenn's house, it is owned by the Alberta Government. I'm not going purely on online articles, there aren't that many and they are subjective. We are talking about the 'First European Settler' so since he built the first house and he is European...
I'm not sure why you are resisting this so much - you mention that the sites you have seen say they were here around the same time - if we accept that - then you can't say that Sam Livingston was the first Euro settler either - but you are quite happy to do that - do you have a personal interest in this story? (I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just wondering).
Thanks. I guess I should mention a couple of things, what I'm basing this on is the written words of 2 of John Glenn's sons and other documentation I have. The Calgary Sun and the Calgary Herald have both done their homework and an article about John Glenn (and the preservation of his cabin) appears in both papers today.
I am John Glenn's Great Great Granddaughter, so yes, you could say I am biased as well. However, I do know that John Glenn arrived in September of 1873 and Sam arrived in 1874.
Thanks for the info on signatures! Trailmix1234 17:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually interesting, I just read your articles on Fort Calgary and George King - unfortunately they are both inaccurate. Did you know that John Glenn helped to build the chimneys at Ft Calgary? Do you know that he purchased the first land in what became Calgary? I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but it isn't accurate. Trailmix1234 22:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm finished with this dicussion but I must say, I thought Wikipedia would be fun and interesting, after all one of their rules is 'ignore the rules' - but so far it's just been annoying. Trailmix1234 02:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok Crossmr, I take your point and you are correct, I was just getting a bit frustrated originally because everytime I posted something it was replaced. So I gave it a rest and now I'm back. Does anyone else editing this page have a problem with me posting information that John Glenn was the first 'documented European Settler' in the Calgary Area on this page? I have loads of documentation to back it up - which I'm happy to provide. John Glenn was also the purchaser of the first lots of Calgary when they were sold, I think it's important that he be mentioned in this article - any objections? Trailmix1234 15:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
That link is proof of nothing. You make the claim that 2006 has been an active year, but that link only states that in the 1990s they were more frequent. It provides no information to support the statement that they're more frequent in 2006 and that its a continuation of a trend.-- Crossmr 06:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This talk page is getting a bit long. I'm thinking about setting up Werdnabot to archive it like is done on some other pages. Maybe any discussion over a month old would be fine? Anyone have any objections to that?-- Crossmr 19:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I was scrolling through some of the Chinese cities today and I noticed they all had GDP and GDP per capita. Could we find that for Calgary too? -- Argonith 22:09 July 19, 2006
I removed the statement that Calgary is Canada's third warmest city after Vancouver and Victoria as this is completely untrue. Among major Canadian cities Toronto, Hamilton, Ottawa, Montreal, and Halifax (this list is not exhaustive) all have warmer daily average temperatures. Calgary is in fact well down the list, but does have the mildest winters (and the coolest summers) of any major prairie city.-- 207.161.43.149 22:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, the statement said "3rd warmest", which clearly was referring to temperature only. If you look at Environment Canada's average annual temperatures, Calgary is well back of most of the large cities in Eastern Canada (I think all of them except Quebec City) as well as Vancouver and Victoria. I think what you're referring to is a study which looked at overall climate severity, including average wind speed, number of overcast days, number of days with precipitation, discomfort from humidity, etc. Calgary may have finished 3rd in that study, I don't recall the results. In any event I would suggest that this type of study, which combines various factors to come up with an overall ranking, is highly subjective. If I was a snowmobile enthusiast I would not want to live in Calgary with its frequent thaws and general lack of winter snow cover. I would rank Winnipeg or Thunder Bay as a more favourable climate. Conversely, if I was a beach bum and liked hot sticky days, I would prefer Southern Ontario or Manitoba. The assertion in this article, however, was that Calgary has the 3rd mildest climate in Canada, which is patently false. I removed the statement accordingly. -- 207.161.5.32 18:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe these images do satisfy #8, they illustrate the subjects of that particular section. Reading the current language we have on the logo fair use tag, it says "to illustrate the corporation, sports team, or organization in question", these are used to illustrate the sports teams in question. The Olympic logo servers the same purpose.-- Crossmr 01:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe that this section should be removed, and the link to the main article moved to "See Also". Any of you disagree? Sven Erixon 10:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Move. — Wknight94 ( talk) 19:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Calgary, Alberta → Calgary – Calgary already redirects to Calgary, Alberta. All other uses are much less common. Usgnus 20:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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and I quote Places which either have unique names or are unquestionably the most significant place sharing their name, such as Quebec City or Toronto, can have undisambiguated titles. So unless you plan to argue that there is a Calgary that is of close to equal value to this one it would be consistant with the convention to change it. -- Edgelord 21:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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It will bring consistency. Users who edit Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal are usually so vehemently opposed to returning to the "city, province" naming convention that it's easier to go the other way. In addition, Serge is correct... no text encyclopedias (and not Encarta either for that matter) use the "city, province" convention. If they must differentiate between two cities of the same name... let's say, London, then they use parentheses (eg/ "London (Ontario)"). Or in the case of a term which refers to a city but is also an ordinary noun (like Regina), they usually do the following: "Regina (city)". This is how it's done everywhere! -- Arch26 22:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The only people who are oppoing this are the religious policy followers. Nobody is arguing the nobility of Calgary, jut the policy. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 22:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is it that everyone who opposes either because A) There's a policy that says this or that or B) For consistancy/ status quo. On the policy, there's no guideline that says we have to follow every policy to the letter. We in Canada have decided that there doesn't need to be the whole CITY, PROVINCE for every city. If it doesn't make sense for the province to be there (like in this case the other article redirects here), we've collectively decided that the comma convention doesn't apply. Saskatoon, Vancouver, Flin Flon, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg. None of them have much in common, thats why the policy for Canadian cities isn't as restrictive as the US one. There is no point in maintaining the status quo if we've decided that the status quo no longer works (and by we, I mean all the people who have voted support on any of the above cities/towns). This is as bad as the userbox wars where people want them kept because they don't want to let them go, and others want them deleted because they don't like them. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 00:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Just a casual observation, but who else has noticed that the English version of the Calgary article is one of the ONLY versions to use the "City, Province" naming convention?... -- Arch26 05:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Please, go look at History of Alberta. It is currently pathetic. It needs help. This article's history is quite long. I propose narrowing the scope of the history section here and transferring some of the material (for example, about early exploration, oil boom, etc.) to History of Alberta. I also suggest we take as much as possible from the History sections of Edmonton, Lethbridge et all as well. If you are interested in helping please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Alberta! Thanks. Kevlar67 00:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
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The fact that most of the "Political Scene" section (regarding current times) talks about left-wing politics seems to really be a bit of a stretch.
Seems to be a bit of bias regarding newspapers. Will change.
From what I understand, Albertans are generally pretty conservative.
brenden 06:01, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me where the data comes from interms of Calgary having the fastest growing population. When I checked the Statscan website, the latest available was for 2002/03 and it showed Oshawa, Ont. having the fastest growing population followed by Toronto. Furthermore, when I looked at Statscan's Airport Movements Report, Toronto's Pearson consistently had the highest volume of what it classifies as "private" aircraft movements which is what corporate falls under. As well, where do you get that it has the highest concentration of wealthy entrepreneurs under 40? How do you define a wealthy entrepreneur? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 20:36, 11 December 2004
When I checked CNSNEWS.COM, they reported the # of Americans living in Toronto at 250 000 and Vancouver's American pop at 200 000. This is fairly similar to what is reported in the US state department's website. Since when did 80 000 become greater than 250 000? If you are going to use stats, please make sure that they are fairly accurate, otherwise it makes a mockery of what what is being said about Calgary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 12 December 2004
You must realize that it is 80,000 in Calgary itself as there aren't really any suburbs. Whereas Vancouver and Toronto's 250,000 are spread over other cities (ie suburbs). - DJSasso ( talk) 13:11, 15 December 2004 (UTC)
What is your source for this? Nowhere did I see that the 250 000 figure is for the entire GTA, but Toronto, besides, according to the above mentioned sources, more Americans live in Mexico City than any other city outside the USA. Furthermore, according to the last statscan census, the immigrant population by place of birth for Calgary shows about 10 000 stating USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 15 December 2004
Considering that the population of Vancouver itself is just over 500,000 people I doubt that more than 30% of Vancouver is American to put your numbers in perspective. Toronto I agree its possible. I personally didn't put that paragraph in anyways but I have seen in past statscan reports that Calgary as a city does indeed have the highest portion of people with american citizenship living in it.-- Djsasso 05:29, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be much in the way of information on the city's layout or urban characteristics. This is especially worth mentioning because Calgary is (I think) one of the cities with the lowest ratio of people to space.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.178.93 ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 22 December 2004
Although this may be a different reference to Calgary's layout (or a reference in a different manner) but should the map thing at the bottom of the page not have 'Chestermere' to the east as opposed to Strathmore? It is closer and although nearly considered a part of Calgary, I believe it is on much the same scale as Airdrie.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyrin ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 24 December 2004
Not at all. The streets could only be considered too narrow for cars. For pedestrians they are just great. And one of the best parts of living downtown is that you don't really need a car... -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:35, 2005 Jan 3 (UTC)
Would someone like to fix the wording at the end of the transportation section. The Streets do start at 0 but the addresses start at 100. I'm not sure how to word it...
On Mozilla Firefox, this article (not this talk page) seems to be extending too far horizontally, creating that annoying horizontal scroll bar. - Grick( talk to me!) 04:59, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
I believe I've fixed the problem. There were a couple of weird div elements (one in the Latitude/Longitude row, and one in the Mayor row) in the template. They had a style attribute:
style="visibility:hidden; position:absolute;"
Can someone explain what these were trying to do, please? With a hidden visibility, they don't seem to have any purpose. - GrantNeufeld 18:19, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid that I'm still getting the horizontal scroll bar, Grant. Your changes have reduced the page width slightly but have not completely fixed the problem. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:55, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
I know it's universally accepted in Calgary that the NEP ended the oil boom, but I think this article needs to be more neutral.
"With the announcement of the National Energy Program in 1981 the oil boom started to subside. The NEP was cancelled in the mid-1980s by the Brian Mulroney federal government. Ultimately, oil prices would plummet and Calgary's economy would suffer"
The above text implies a certain order: The NEP, the bust, and "ultimately" there are lower prices that hurt the economy. It tries to suggest the industry started down before the prices did. It's more complicated than that. The NEP was brought in with high prices. The prices quickly plummeted after, and stayed down. The inflation adjusted "year average" price of oil peaked in 1981, the same year of the NEP started. [2] It's very hard to figure out which was to blame more, and which happened first. There was a lot of other government regulation, such as price controls, and export restrictions, which also played roles. Rather than sort this all out here, I suggest the article just list the factors, avoid opinion on which came first. The NEP article can take care of the controversy. -- rob 3 July 2005 22:16 (UTC)
Sure seems that way...
I seem to recall that two big air cargo companies decided to ship through Calgary instead of Vancouver.
I am annoyed at the person who insists on using the term "International Avenue". This is the name of a Business Redevelopment Zone on 17 Ave SE. It is not the name of the actual street. Feel free to mention, as an alternate name, not *the* name.
From: http://www.internationalavenue.ca/about.html => "International Avenue is a vibrant business district with a diverse ethnic composition located on 17th Ave SE in Calgary"
Countless maps, like this transit map [3] and the rest of the CalgaryTransit.com web site, use 17 Avenue SE, not "International Avenue".
Go to http://canadapost.ca, input an address with both variants. Only 17 Avenue SE is accepted.
"International Avenue" is business brand name, used to promote an area.
Use of "International Avenue" is designed to promote a better image, for an area with a bad reputation. That's fine for the business community, but that's not the job wikipedia. As somebody already said, the whole article is written like a tourist brochure.
Many other streets, have an "optional" name, such as "Volunteer Way". So sound nice, but can't be used in addresses, and are rarely known by anybody.
-- rob 7 July 2005 06:49 (UTC)
Here's more proof. The BRZ member business *all* use 17 Ave SE, not "International Avenue" in their addresses. http://www.internationalavenue.ca/direct.html
Now can we please use the same "17 Ave SE" that all business use? -- rob 7 July 2005 07:01 (UTC)
I agree. Always have. -- Tyson2k 7 July 2005 07:26 (UTC)
I checked current wording, it's now fine. Thanks. -- rob 7 July 2005 07:59 (UTC)
...since there are no other Calgarys (if any) disambiguated in the page. Once more Calgarys (if any) get article, this can be moved back. -- Paddu 15:53, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just an interesting note... There is also another Calgary. This one is in Eastern Texas.
The use of the word 'neighbourhood' is disingenuous, as Calgary is subdivided by the City (the municipal government) into 'communities' and 'industrial parks'. 'Neighbourhood' is limited to (occasional) colloquial use. Furthermore, many of the 'districts' mentioned ('district' is not used by the City either, adding to confusion) are amorphous entities which have never been defined (such as the "Stephen Avenue Retail district") or have never been used at all, in formal or informal settings. "Rivers District"? "Arts District"? These place do not exist on any known map, nor have the vast majority of Calgarians even heard these terms before (myself included). The subsection itself reads as though the user who wrote it has never lived in Calgary, has lived downtown and has an infatuation with it, or is promoting the inner city communities for a special interest group. It should be deleted or rewritten in its entirety. -- 93JC 21:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
The following paragraph should be reworded. Originally it talked of communities that surrounded "Calgary and districts to the South". Now, it properly just talks of "downtown". However, when this change was made, it became necessary to reword the whole paragraph to properly name the communities that directly surround downtown. Then, in turn, name the further surrounding communities. For instance, the Beltline surrounds downtown, more so than "Mount Royal" does.. --
rob
05:55, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
"Downtown Calgary is surrounded by the first of the inner-city communities. These include Crescent Heights, Sunnyside, Hillhurst (including Kensington), Bridgeland, Renfrew, Mount Royal and Inglewood"
I think this whole section, needs some better wording. I'm not sure of its value. Any claims of numbers should either have an independent citation, or at least a citation of the *claim*, and a statement it's only a claim. This business of a growing movement, related to the G8 opposition is rather dubious. Also, saying where demonstrators came from (Southern Alberta), was a mistake, since it's hard to back-up. Protests at major international events are poor reflections of local politics, since many people come from outside, and leave the next day. My changes left behind poor wording, since I did not wish to unilaterally rewrite this whole section. So, others are welcome to improve it. -- rob 21:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone want to put in some information about city council in here? It seems to be obviously missing.
I removed the claim the Calgary Transit serves a population of 933,495. This was taken out of context, from the CaglaryTransit.com web site. Technically, there is a grain of "truth". The *exact* entire population of Calgary(proper) as of April 2004 census was this figure. Naturally, CT claims to serve all Calgarians. Hence it claims to serve 100% of the census figure. However, repeating this number in the context of this article was misleading. In the context of this article, it implies that 933,495 make at least some use of CT, which is not the case. Using this logic, no matter how few people use the service, the same number could be claimed. We state the city's population (CMA) at the top of article, there's no need to repeat any figure for the total population under "Transportation". -- rob 14:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
It makes no sense to list "National Post" and "Global and Mail" as Calgary newspapers. Yes, they are widely available in Calgary, but so is the Christian Science Monitor, Toronto Star, and assorted other paper. Of course, with the internet now, virtually all newspapers are available everywhere. This isn't the olden days, when what you could read depended on where you lived. The information on them in the links is redandant with all the other mentions of them. The link mentions who owns the papers. What if that changes? Will somebody go to every Canadian city article, and change the name of who owns the paper? I say just delete non-Calgary papers. Although, I can see an exception for "Calgary Area" or even Alberta-wide papers. This will make it consisten with the TV and Radio listings. Just imagine if we listed every TV channel available in Calgary. Does anybody agree or disagree. I won't do it if it's opposed. -- rob 3 July 2005 21:37 (UTC)
That makes sense. -- Derek Ross | Talk 6 July 2005 06:06 (UTC)
Actually, The Globe and Mail does have a Calgary Edition (says so right on the front page), although the edition delivered to homes and the on-street boxes may, and does, vary. However, I would still not classify it as a "Calgary" newspaper as the differences in the edition are primarily in the advertising, and rarely editorial (editorial differences usually only arise when late-breaking, significant events occur, such as federal elections). -- Neil 31 July 2005 00:18 (UTC)
The Calgary Herald is not a "local version" of the National Post. It's a separate newspaper with a separate history. Bearcat 07:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
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I changed it to remove Royal Conservatory of Music which re-directed to the the place in Toronto. -- rob 01:59, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed a couple pictures (named in edit history) that were tagged in a way, that they're now subject to deletion. I have no opinion on their status, or whether they should be used (if validated). I thought it's good to remove them now since we have plent of pics, and there's no need for a red-link. If the status of the pics can be addressed, I'm fine with their return. Also, I frankly think its pretty easy to obtain PD/GFDL images for Calgary, since I'm sure a lot of editors here live in Calgary, have a digitial camera, and walk by a place like Eau Claire, quite often. As well, deleted images don't show up on your "watch list" of edited articles, but my edit, and this talk, will. So, this is a heads-up to anybody who thinks its really important to have those pics. I dislike those sudden surprise image red-links that have been happening in other articles. -- rob 11:02, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
As you have seen, I put this information in a table. I didn't use the standard quadrant system, since I wanted to keep downtown attractions together, and then show the position of other places, relative to downtown. Without actually making a map, it's impossible to show things perfectly, but I did try to sort each sub-list based on distance from downtown. I changed the name to "Attractions and landmarks", to make it inclusive enough, that I could put something in every box (but due-North is still blank). I thought the airport was a major landmark worth mentioning, but I'm not sure if it's an attraction.. -- rob 05:54, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
also, i would like to hear some of these other buisinesses that don't have the proper registers to accept debit. -- Chickendude 05:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
A few names that I have never heard used for Calgary have been added to the list of other names for the city:
Can anyone site an actual source for these, or are they just made up? -- GrantNeufeld 10:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
So, with the example given in the article:
What is that actually saying? It seems to contradict itself. Streets and avenue addresses appear to be numbered the exact same way. FireWorks 08:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
While I agree that the road numbering information is trivial to Calgarians, I believe it relieves a significant source of confusion to first-time visitors to Calgary - no other city that I know of has the numbering system Calgary does, with the exception of Edmonton, which also includes the street numbering information in its article, possibly for the same reasons (different author).
Respectfully, I need to disagree with the notion that “Wikipedia articles should attempt to remain somewhat general” -- many Wikipedia articles are extremely detailed, as they should be, and for Wikipedia to provide maximum value to the widest possible audience, arbitrary limits should not be imposed on level of detail. There are no limits to the breadth of articles, and it's not clear to me why there would be arbitrary limits to their depth.
By deleting the section, we are excluding an important audience (that of first-timers to Calgary). Someone help out please, and vote to reinsert the information (that is, if anybody agrees). Anybody? It sure is quiet out there...
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Add my voice to those who want street numbering mentioned, if it is unique to Calgary. I am not clear at all on how Calgary's system is different. So, it should be mentioned both what is in Calgary, and what is in other cities. I always assumed our street/avenue numbering system was typical for cities with standard rectangular blocks. If I'm wrong, I'ld like an explanation. The above comment makes an excellent point, that this article should be geared more to visitors, who want to learn more about the city.
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The section that was on this page earlier regarding the street numbering and naming system was removed because the information provided was relatively trivial. Wikipedia articles should attempt to remain somewhat general. This kind of information only adds needlessly to the length of an already lengthy article. This is the kind of information that belongs in a "road atlas", not a general reference article. If it is determined to be genuinely important (and I'm skeptical of this), then it should be significantly shortened, or perhaps even made into its own article... this is not up to me, and I don't think its necessary, however. -Tyson2k
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What is interesting (and frustrating) is that while in both Edmonton and Calgary, the streets run North-South and the Avenues are East-West; in Red Deer it is the reverse. Transplants into Red Deer find it confusing. Cadillac 15:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
This article is pretty big, so this may need to go in a spin-off article. But, I think history should definately include all the annexations that have added to Calgary. I actually don't know how many there were. Some former towns like Bowness, Alberta have their own article, and can be linked to. Other(s) like Rouleauville (now Mission?), don't even have an article (as far as I know), but would be worth mentioning.
Since I don't know how many annexations there were, or how many communities were added, or what's to be said of each, I'm not in a position to judge whether it warrants inclusion here, a new History of Calgary, or even an Expansion of Calgary. But maybe its worth talking about. -- Rob 13:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe that either McKenzie Lake or Sundance was ever a separate town, but Midnapore was at one point -- perhaps this is what you were thinking of? 70.72.35.220 23:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
also, this could warrent a whole new article on it's own, for the annexation of land in all major cities.
I am now out of this conversation. Previously, I added comments, and then removed them (wishing to re-think this later). They were then re-added by another, then over-written, by that same person; who then accused me of editing his commens (falsely). Diffs:
my removal of my own comments,
his re-insertion of my comments, and
his overwrite of my comments with his response to those very comments. Frankly, this whole matter is hardly worth such sillieness. Now normally I would just strike-out my own comments, but if they're not responded to yet, I see no harm in removing them. --
Rob 00:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC) The preceeding comment was regarding a matter that was a simple misunderstanding, and is resolved (e.g. nobody is trying to remove anybody else's comments). --
Rob
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Hi Just came upon this article. I think perhaps the annexation of former towns and villages should be small entry into the first section of the article, the history section, perhaps just a sentence or two, and then the names of said towns and villages could be linked to stubs for further discussion.. comments? Boones 23:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Having contributed to the Gauntlet in the past, I have to object to its inclusion on this page - which should be reserved for newspapers that are in the scope of a "city" paper. I would think this should include either subjects dealing with the city (not just the university community - yes, national events are covered but only within the scope of the university's reaction to them) or else distributed city-wide. The Gauntlet fails on both counts. Michael Dorosh 16:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
since im from clagary i tend to keep an eye on this articicle. in 2007 encana(which is a huge oil company) is going to build a multi-bulding office complex with one of the towers being about 48 stories tall and the other being either 58 or 62 stories tall so its going to the biggest. you might want to add that in the article.
By the way all the info about calgary being the fastest growing city and all the head office stuff is true. they add like a nebiorhood here every year.
I have removed this edit from the article: - "(**) There is still debate over whether Martin Gelinas really scored in game 6 of the 2004 Stanley Cup series. If he had, the Flames would have 2 championships"
Just because it was a bad call, it does not have to be put as a denotation next to Stanley Cup Championships. A bad call is a bad call. Every game has questionable calls, this one just happened in OT in Game 6. CWood 03:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree it was not a war "on" Iraq, but nor was it a war "on" Saddam Hussein only. You know, they probably named the article "Invasion of Iraq" for a reason, so why on earth would we need to wikify it as something else? Seems very POV to me. Let's keep the NPOV designation, which just happens to be the actual name of the article. I also think that entire political section occupies too much space in this article, as the groups it discusses are small and insignificant. Even if 10,000 people did protest the war in Iraq (given that the numbers come from event organizers, though, how likely is it that the higher number (which varies from the lower by 100 percent) is accurate?) that is still about 1 percent of the city's population and the statement is made that some of them came from outside the city. To put it in a brief manner, what do 2,500 shit-disturbers (a quarter of 1 percent of the population) have to do with the political outlook of a city of almost 1 million people? How many people in Calgary really care about the Iraq war in any significant way - it just isn't a part of daily political life. Michael Dorosh 19:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Under the climate section it says: with the month of June jokingly referred to by locals as the 'monsoon month'. I lived in Calgary for 7 years, and before that grew up ~50 km away and have never heard this before. Is this really widespread enough to be here? I don't really think it's one of the things that should show up when someone's looking for information on Calgary - particularly if it's only used by a small subset of Calgarians. Any thoughts? -- Sheena V 21:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
In addition I would suggest that the whole section is a bit unclear. It might be more useful to add a climate table similar to the one here. -- Derek Ross | Talk 22:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
My source regarding the newly added land area comment (about Calgary being bigger than Toronto and New York City) is the Wikipedia articles. In the case of New York I am only referring to actual land area, not the waterways that are also included. At present, Calgary is about 5 square kilometres larger than NYC but if the 150 sq km annexation goes through this year or next, its lead will increase. By comparision, however, Calgary is still a little more than 1/2 the size of the city proper of Los Angeles. 23skidoo 18:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I removed this article from the Wikipedia:Good articles nominations list due to the following:
i Also heard that calgary has one of the most diverse population, rated by number of languages spoken. but i am much less sue on that one Chickendude
it reports calgary as ranking first for cleanliness, from William M. Mercer. Chickendude 08:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I think this article is starting to get long, and at the same time, is lacking in-depth info on some topics. Currently, it is one of the longest and largest city articles in Canada. As such, I think we should start breaking some areas up into sub-articles. The article, Seattle, Washington is a good precedent for this approach. This is also a process that is beginning with the grotesquely long, Vancouver. I suggest perhaps starting with the transportation section. As one of this article's longest sections, it could benefit from a sub-article entitled, Transportation in Calgary. This article could be part of a network of articles under the category, [[Category:Transportation in Calgary]] to replace the existing, [[Category:Calgary Transit]]. There are also some sections such as, media, and industry and employment that could do with some expansion and the creation of sub-articles. Any thoughts? -- Arch26 06:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There are quite a few things that need resolving in this article that can only improve it. I have started a "to do" list above. Feel free to add/remove from it as users wish. -- Arch26 08:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Finally going to try to get some local Wikipedians together for a meetup here on May 15. Please refer to Wikipedia:Meetup/Calgary. — GrantNeufeld 09:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Simple edit of 'Mackenzie' area changed to 'McKenzie' to reflect spelling error :) - CanuckGod
Just a little FYI. Calgary's Metropolitan area is from Crossfield in the north west for a bit and south to Highway 22X and along the Bow river. Our population is the people in that space divided by that space. Mainly Agricultural lands. Edmontons is so big because it encompasses all the way around the city!
Having 4 people living on 40 acres would really shrink the density of a CMA. Toronto's CMA is virtually built up vs. agriculture in Alberta.
Wow, the Edmonton-Calgary corridor is so densely populated, just like the Greater Vancouver areas,Ontario's Golden Horseshoe, centred around Toronto, Ottawa/Hull's or greater Montreal's. The whole article sounds like something put out by the Business Development Department. Of course, we all know how honest the business community is, not to mention their integrity. I also like the way that the boosters have blocked acces to editting of what they have put on the main page.—Preceding
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"Although Calgary's winters can be downright cold" "The city's deep south is probably expanding the fastest" "The city also has a large number of urban parks" This does not strike me as proper language for an encyclopedia article. downright is obvious, probably shouldn't be used in this type of article, and large is a rather subjective term. These are just three examples, but the article is full of subjective language that doesn't provide any citation for basing its point on.-- Crossmr 21:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Where do they come up with the line that Calgary is Canada's richest city based on per capita income? I thought Oakville Ontario had the highest. Also, when stating that Calgary is the 3rd largest city in Canada, this is refering to the city proper which encompasses the entire urban area. It is a little misleading. Vancouver and Ottawa are smaller in population within the city proper, but when looked at from a continuous urban area, they are larger in population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.199.89.34 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 25 November 2004
Get serious, when speaking of the relative sizes of cities the metropolitan population is always used. Otherwise we sould say that Winnipeg is much larger than Minneapolis and even larger than Vancouver, Seattle, or Boston. Comparing city proper populations simply does not make sense. Calgary is Canada'a fifth largest urban area after Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, and Ottawa-Gatineau. -- 206.45.167.14 23:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
What is your source for Calgary having the highest per capita GDP? Furthermore, this does not necessarily translate to highest income per capita. According to Statscan, Oshawa Ontario followed by Ottawa and other cities had higher median household incomes last year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.210.8 ( talk • contribs)
Could anyone tell me what the source is or where I can find out about Calgary having the highest per capita income? I question the validity of this
The location map ( Image:Altacal.png) used in the infobox has been flagged for deletion by next week if license details are not provided. Arch26 ( talk · contribs) uploaded the image, but has not yet responded to the request to provide license details. — GrantNeufeld 03:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
From what I saw on the news tonight they haven't announced a tentative agreement. It is the first of 5 steps to reach an agreement on the land. -- Crossmr 05:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
There must have been more to it than that! That's like emigrating to South Africa because you like the taste of springbok... -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
In the 4th paragraph, it says "Geographically, Calgary has a larger urban footprint than Los Angeles." The area of Calgary is approximately, as listed in Wikipedia, 712 sq km, and that of L.A. is 1290 sq km. The author should clarify or correct this. -- User:Marcwenger
There is no single "author". If you think that it is wrong, you should have corrected it yourself. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:56, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
That's more like it! Cheers -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:22, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
I was the one who put the 712 sq km fact in. I read it in a pamphlet a year ago or so. Then today I checked out a website, trying to find satellite pictures for Calgary (There are alarmingly few) to try to find my house. Then I saw that the website I checked said that Calgary had 789.9 sq km. So, I put that fact in, although it's not hard to believe, since taking Highway 2 from north to south takes maybe 20 minutes without traffic, and about 1 hour with, or am I thinking of McCloud Trail? Either, way it takes 40 minutes to get from the C.O.P area to the International Airport, so that's a good benchmark. --
RPharazon 2:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
I had some problems with the "demographics" paragraph that was added on June 8 and I thought I should explain why I rewrote it. Firstly, I have no clue why it was haphazardly appended to the "History" section. Secondly, I checked the statistics with StatsCan and had to change a few. The author also stated that the city's population would increase by 100,000 by 2006 and that the population would be composed of 83.2% Caucasians by then. I am of the mind that statistics that project beyond the current year are not useful when describing the demogrphics of a place. They are good for trends only and are usually wrong anyway. I would also like to know what the author meant by, "1 in 4 Calgarians are non-professors"...? I suspect this refers to atheism, in which case it was very unclear. For now, it's been removed. I also had to fix the grammer.
I will quote the original paragraph in case anyone takes issue with my changes:
"The city of Calgary is booming, and it's age groups prove it. About 20% of the population is under 14, and only 9% is over 65 years of age. The older population rate is one of the lowest in Canada. High fertility, internal migration and international migrants are expanding the city rapidly.
By 2006, it is expected that Calgary's population will climb 100 000 people. Around 83.2% is White (2006 est.) and the White population consists mostly of those who are English, Ukrainian, and a small number of Italian. 5.9% of the population is Chinese, 4.6% Asian, 2% Filipino, and 1.6% Black. The remainder is mixed, non-White Hispanic, and West Asian. Christians are the largest religious group number 67%. 1 in 4 Calgarians are non-professors. Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus and Jewish make up smaller percentages."
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyson2k ( talk • contribs) 03:58, 9 June 2005
There was an altered comment here, too late to tell if it was Tyson2k who changed it logged out, or someone random.-- Crossmr 02:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the article needs more information on the municipal government. I've been working on Calgary_City_Council - do you think we could merge parts of that to this article? Ozzykhan 21:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me what the source is for Calgary having the 2nd highest concentration of head offices in Canada is? When I checked statscan, all I could find was the number of head office workers and it showed Montreal as having the 2nd highest number of employees after Toronto.
In an article by Bruce Little in the Globe and Mail last year, he stated that Vancouver actually had the 2nd highest number of head offices in Canada although Calgary did have more head office workers than Vancouver did. But Montreal still ranked second in terms of # of head office workers.
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I don't think that this link is as objective as Statscan's. I tend to believe their research more than that of the Calgary Business Development Association. Especially when I see a statement like "it is home to all of Canada's leading financial, law and accounting firms." I never knew that the major banks considered Calgary to be their home. Are there any other websites re:head offices that you can direct me to, especially where the number of head offices by city is listed?
When I checked the Toronto Stock Exchange's website, it showed well over 100 firms with head offices listed in Vancouver. The claim that Calgary has the 2nd most head offices may commonly appear in some papers, but this is not what I saw in an article by economist Bruce Little in the GLobe and Mail last year. The claim to 2nd most head offices may just be an urban myth that keeps feeding on itself. You are correct in stating that this is the realm of business and economics, however business development associations are there to "toot" their own horn and sell their cities, as a result the information they provide may not be totally accurate or may be skewed. All that I ask is for the source of the study that ranks Calgary second, along with an accompanying explanation. So far, the only one in existence re: rankings of head offices and cities that I have found comes from statscan.
You are correct in saying that there is much ambiguity in the number of head offices. This is why it is perhaps not a very meaningful statistic. Furthermore, it is also why why statscan does not publish head office data based on # of units, but on number of managerial employees. I have spoken with the econometricians at statscan who have worked on such studies (their names and contact #s can be found at the end of the studies found on the statscan website)they believe that the number of units is meaningless due to the fact that for tax and liability issues some companys set up many other companys. For example,a bank may have several other companies created. Thus the number of head office units is more a reflection of these legal issues than of other economic factors. If the law is such that a company is better off setting up other divisions rather than keeping one company unit, then more units are created with employees shuffled off under these units. You state that the Financial Post also states that Calgary has the 2nd highest # of head offices. In a January 2005 report, they also state that Quebec has more of the FP500 head offices than Alberta, 156 to 104, respectively. Since head offices are usually located in major cities, then we can most likely assume that Montreal has more of the FP500 head offices than Calgary. Hence since what exactly is meant by head office and head office units is ambiguous, then to state that Calgary has the second most head offices units is itself an ambiguous statement and therefore should not be considered as a fact. A more accurate statement would be to say, based on Statscan's most recent study which is slightly more than a year old that Calgary has the third highest number of head office employees. This study showed that Montreal had about 35000 head office workers compared to Calgary's 16 000. I doubt it that Calgary has surpassed Montreal in this regard since this study was carried out. Statscan is a highly respected non-biased institution that all Canadians pay for. It is there to report facts as accuartely as possible. It is not there to push a cause for some particular group. If we wish this site to be accurate, then perhaps we should strive to make it as least ambiguous as possible.
I don't have any proof but I have seen, heard and read the statistic quoted an uncountable number of times. I'm not sure of the requirements for something to be considered a head office. -- Sven Erixon 08:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
According to Statcan's latest report on head office counts (The Daily, July 13, 2006) Calgary is 4th after Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver in terms of number of head offices. Furthermore, it ranks third after Toronto and Montreal in terms of head office employment. (BF) - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.210.8 ( talk • contribs)
As a matter of fact, according to Statcan (
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-010-XIB/11-010-XIB2006007.pdf), Calgary has never had the 2nd most number of head offices in Canada. Their July 13, 2006 study goes back to 1999 and in each of the years to 2005 (the last year of the study) Calgary has never had the 2nd most head offices.
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Yes, I have read it. If you refer to p.28 of this statcan link ( http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-010-XIB/11-010-XIB2006007.pdf) you will see that the number of head office units is given. According to Statcan, Calgary has never ranked 2nd, at most it has ranked fourth. Perhaps you should read the report. (BF)
I see, you are using a different definition of a head office than that used by our national publicly funded agency. Could you please refer me to an actual study stating its methodology and what is meant by a head office and a ranking of Canadian cities, specifically where Calgary is rated 2nd? Similar to a study that Statscan has done? I still trust and believe Statscan's findings and find it hard to refute their study, methodology and non-bias.
I have not fabricated anything. All that I am saying is that according to Statscan's research and definition of a head office unit, i.e. number of head offices, Calgary ranks fourth and not second in Canada. All of these links provided just state that Calgary ranks 2nd, but none state their source. I believe that it is an urban myth that just keeps getting repeated. Unless a reliable source of the study is stated, then I will keep believing what Statscan publishes.
On p. 22 of Statscan's report, one can clearly see on the graph that head office units refers to number of head offices. Furthermore, according to the report, the head offices measured refer to business/corporate (p.20) head offices. Until you can find a current study contradicting the latest one done by Statscan, I think that you should go by this and state that Calgary does indeed rank 4th in terms of number of head offices.
The introduction to the Statscan study clearly states that one of the reasons for the study is to examine the effect of foreign takeovers on Canadian corporations. The study is examining corporate head offices. I am quite aware that a business is not necessarily a corporation. The reason that I used the term business is because Statscan used it in their summary, but when one reads the actual report, they are referring to corporate head offices. Again, until a current study from a reputable source is found stating that Calgary has the 2nd most head offices, I suggest that we use Statscan's findings and state that Calgary ranks 4th in terms of the number of corporate head offices in Canada. I do not know why you're stubbornly sticking to 2nd? Could you please look at p.22, the graph clearly shows that a head office unit does refer to the number of head offices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.210.8 ( talk • contribs) 02:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not making any assumptions or misrepressenting any study. The study is there for all to see.If in WIKIPEDIA you make a claim that contradicts what Statscan's recent research states, then you should back it up with a proper study from an unbiased source, since you are the one who is managing this sight. Who I am is irrelevant. Let us stick to the issue. You said that you will try to find a study for your claim. Obviously you have not found it. Until you do, then I think that we should stick to what Statscan has found and state that Calgary ranks 4th in terms of number of head offices. Until you can back up your claim, I have no more to say on this issue.
I have emailed EDC and they have yet to respond to me. I have also called Statcan, (the name of the statisticians conducting the study is listed for all to contact). They stand by their findings. Again, I believe their unbiased report more than I believe EDC whose mission is to sell something. BTW, what is their claim based on, obviously it is not public knowledge. Perhaps as administrator you can back up the claim with an unbiased study that is there for all to see. I am still waiting as most seekers of truth would be. You are making this claim in Wikipidia without an appropriate study to back it up. You do have a valid source (Statcan) that has conducted a study that you should rely on more than any other. Until you find otherwise, then it should be stated that Calgary ranks 4th in terms of number of head offices. Until you can back your claim up, then please do not "bloat" this "poor" page.
It is simple how they come up with Calgary being #2. It is the number of companies with gross revenue greater than some cut off that have their senior management based in the city. Stats Canada is measuring something completely different stop being a douche bag and leave it alone already.
To the eloquently spoken person who has made the inappropriate comment above, could you please provide more specific details about your comments re: number of head offices related to gross revenues?, i.e. can you direct me to the study or report, or is it just hear-say again with no appropriate backing?
If you refer to the July/August 2006 issue of the globe and mail's report on business magazine at http://www.theglobeandmail.com/robmagazine/, the top 50 companies by revenue are listed. Again, by this measure Calgary does not rank second, but Montreal does, after Toronto. For those stating that Calgary ranks second by measure of revenue, was some arbitrary cut-off chosen until Calgary came in at 2nd, if it indeed is at this rank? You see why Statscan's measure is better. It is unbiased and more inclusive.
Ok here is something that can be reported as fact. Calgary has the 2nd most head offices in canada when using the measure: # of head offices by the top 50 most profitable companies in canada source http://www.theglobeandmail.com/v5/content/tp1000/index.php Now you can go cry in a dark room frenchie
Who wrote "Calgary is affectionately called the Nashville of the North"? This is not true. Calgary has almost no music recording industry. There's an "active country" scene once a year during Stampede, which sees country music being played, not recorded. Nashville is a recording centre. Also, Nashville North implies something like the "opry". Nothing in Calgary resembles that. Hopefully the author will delete this.
Nashville North is the name of a building on the Stampede Grounds which features live country music during the Stampede [16]... Perhaps this is the source of the confusion??? SKE 21:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
There is an error with the area of the city.. In the article it claims the area is 721 km/sq.. on the right it claims it's 789.9 km/sq.. And with the recent annexation of 150 km/sq neither number is really correct.(Anonymous comment)
I don't think I support blanking the existing information in favour of linking to something on a possible questionable motive. The change was made by someone who created the John Glenn article, which is currently being checked for possibly copyright violation. Until this is sorted out and we can definitely say who was here first, lets leave it as is. Anwyay I don't support a change without discussion fo the matter at least. -- Crossmr 21:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you - I appreciate some support here. The copyright violation is only for a photo and only because I am new to wikipedia and wasn't sure which category to choose when I uploaded it - it's not truly a copyright violation.
John Glenn was the first settler in Calgary, I'm not trying to take anything away from Sam Livingston - I admire him too, he and John Glenn were good friends and fought for western rights together.
I'm also not trying to be difficult, I just know what I know and the facts back me up. No one who knows Calgary history will state that Sam Livingston was the first settler. -- (unsigned comment by TrailMix)
Ok, I may have taken artistic license on the text, I didn't realize that was what they were talking about as I didn't see the page as it is now until it was mentioned above today, as I mentioned earlier, I am new to Wikipedia and I wasn't aware of all their rules (I know, I know, I should have read it first).
So you are saying that the Government of Alberta site, the University of Calgary and the Bow Valley Ranche sites are not unbiased? For the record, I am not part of any of these organizations and had nothing to do with their text.
I've pondered why some sources are so vague, basically I have decided it is because SL has been alluded to for so long that people are having a tough time back peddling on it now - it's tough to skew history and then admit it when people are trying to correct it.
The Bow Valley Ranche doesn't have John Glenn's house, it is owned by the Alberta Government. I'm not going purely on online articles, there aren't that many and they are subjective. We are talking about the 'First European Settler' so since he built the first house and he is European...
I'm not sure why you are resisting this so much - you mention that the sites you have seen say they were here around the same time - if we accept that - then you can't say that Sam Livingston was the first Euro settler either - but you are quite happy to do that - do you have a personal interest in this story? (I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just wondering).
Thanks. I guess I should mention a couple of things, what I'm basing this on is the written words of 2 of John Glenn's sons and other documentation I have. The Calgary Sun and the Calgary Herald have both done their homework and an article about John Glenn (and the preservation of his cabin) appears in both papers today.
I am John Glenn's Great Great Granddaughter, so yes, you could say I am biased as well. However, I do know that John Glenn arrived in September of 1873 and Sam arrived in 1874.
Thanks for the info on signatures! Trailmix1234 17:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually interesting, I just read your articles on Fort Calgary and George King - unfortunately they are both inaccurate. Did you know that John Glenn helped to build the chimneys at Ft Calgary? Do you know that he purchased the first land in what became Calgary? I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but it isn't accurate. Trailmix1234 22:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm finished with this dicussion but I must say, I thought Wikipedia would be fun and interesting, after all one of their rules is 'ignore the rules' - but so far it's just been annoying. Trailmix1234 02:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok Crossmr, I take your point and you are correct, I was just getting a bit frustrated originally because everytime I posted something it was replaced. So I gave it a rest and now I'm back. Does anyone else editing this page have a problem with me posting information that John Glenn was the first 'documented European Settler' in the Calgary Area on this page? I have loads of documentation to back it up - which I'm happy to provide. John Glenn was also the purchaser of the first lots of Calgary when they were sold, I think it's important that he be mentioned in this article - any objections? Trailmix1234 15:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
That link is proof of nothing. You make the claim that 2006 has been an active year, but that link only states that in the 1990s they were more frequent. It provides no information to support the statement that they're more frequent in 2006 and that its a continuation of a trend.-- Crossmr 06:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This talk page is getting a bit long. I'm thinking about setting up Werdnabot to archive it like is done on some other pages. Maybe any discussion over a month old would be fine? Anyone have any objections to that?-- Crossmr 19:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I was scrolling through some of the Chinese cities today and I noticed they all had GDP and GDP per capita. Could we find that for Calgary too? -- Argonith 22:09 July 19, 2006
I removed the statement that Calgary is Canada's third warmest city after Vancouver and Victoria as this is completely untrue. Among major Canadian cities Toronto, Hamilton, Ottawa, Montreal, and Halifax (this list is not exhaustive) all have warmer daily average temperatures. Calgary is in fact well down the list, but does have the mildest winters (and the coolest summers) of any major prairie city.-- 207.161.43.149 22:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, the statement said "3rd warmest", which clearly was referring to temperature only. If you look at Environment Canada's average annual temperatures, Calgary is well back of most of the large cities in Eastern Canada (I think all of them except Quebec City) as well as Vancouver and Victoria. I think what you're referring to is a study which looked at overall climate severity, including average wind speed, number of overcast days, number of days with precipitation, discomfort from humidity, etc. Calgary may have finished 3rd in that study, I don't recall the results. In any event I would suggest that this type of study, which combines various factors to come up with an overall ranking, is highly subjective. If I was a snowmobile enthusiast I would not want to live in Calgary with its frequent thaws and general lack of winter snow cover. I would rank Winnipeg or Thunder Bay as a more favourable climate. Conversely, if I was a beach bum and liked hot sticky days, I would prefer Southern Ontario or Manitoba. The assertion in this article, however, was that Calgary has the 3rd mildest climate in Canada, which is patently false. I removed the statement accordingly. -- 207.161.5.32 18:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe these images do satisfy #8, they illustrate the subjects of that particular section. Reading the current language we have on the logo fair use tag, it says "to illustrate the corporation, sports team, or organization in question", these are used to illustrate the sports teams in question. The Olympic logo servers the same purpose.-- Crossmr 01:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe that this section should be removed, and the link to the main article moved to "See Also". Any of you disagree? Sven Erixon 10:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Move. — Wknight94 ( talk) 19:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Calgary, Alberta → Calgary – Calgary already redirects to Calgary, Alberta. All other uses are much less common. Usgnus 20:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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and I quote Places which either have unique names or are unquestionably the most significant place sharing their name, such as Quebec City or Toronto, can have undisambiguated titles. So unless you plan to argue that there is a Calgary that is of close to equal value to this one it would be consistant with the convention to change it. -- Edgelord 21:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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It will bring consistency. Users who edit Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal are usually so vehemently opposed to returning to the "city, province" naming convention that it's easier to go the other way. In addition, Serge is correct... no text encyclopedias (and not Encarta either for that matter) use the "city, province" convention. If they must differentiate between two cities of the same name... let's say, London, then they use parentheses (eg/ "London (Ontario)"). Or in the case of a term which refers to a city but is also an ordinary noun (like Regina), they usually do the following: "Regina (city)". This is how it's done everywhere! -- Arch26 22:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The only people who are oppoing this are the religious policy followers. Nobody is arguing the nobility of Calgary, jut the policy. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 22:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is it that everyone who opposes either because A) There's a policy that says this or that or B) For consistancy/ status quo. On the policy, there's no guideline that says we have to follow every policy to the letter. We in Canada have decided that there doesn't need to be the whole CITY, PROVINCE for every city. If it doesn't make sense for the province to be there (like in this case the other article redirects here), we've collectively decided that the comma convention doesn't apply. Saskatoon, Vancouver, Flin Flon, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg. None of them have much in common, thats why the policy for Canadian cities isn't as restrictive as the US one. There is no point in maintaining the status quo if we've decided that the status quo no longer works (and by we, I mean all the people who have voted support on any of the above cities/towns). This is as bad as the userbox wars where people want them kept because they don't want to let them go, and others want them deleted because they don't like them. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 00:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Just a casual observation, but who else has noticed that the English version of the Calgary article is one of the ONLY versions to use the "City, Province" naming convention?... -- Arch26 05:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Please, go look at History of Alberta. It is currently pathetic. It needs help. This article's history is quite long. I propose narrowing the scope of the history section here and transferring some of the material (for example, about early exploration, oil boom, etc.) to History of Alberta. I also suggest we take as much as possible from the History sections of Edmonton, Lethbridge et all as well. If you are interested in helping please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Alberta! Thanks. Kevlar67 00:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)