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The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium ( talk) 22:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker → Caleb Lawrence McGillvary – This article goes well beyond the scope of the original viral video title. In fact, the lengthiest section is on McGillvary's murder conviction. The new Netflix documentary speaks even more about the person himself, and could potentially be used as the basis to further elaborate upon a biographical article about McGillvary. Mbdfar ( talk) 22:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
There were two tips that lead to Kai's arrest in Philadelphia. The Netflix documentary mentioned only one: a Starbucks employee. The other tip was from a New Jersey man. His tip notified authorities that Kai was heading to Philadelphia. 2601:83:8100:B:8BC:7B42:E191:2212 ( talk) 23:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Shibbolethink, can you please clarify what you mean when you say a source becomes less verifiable when title case is modified? Revirvlkodlaku ( talk) 17:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC) Hello @ Shibbolethink, I have tagged you in a discussion after you reverted my edit...please take the time to respond to my concern. Thank you. Revirvlkodlaku ( talk) 05:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
When an article is already consistent, avoid: switching between major citation styles or replacing the preferred style of one academic discipline with another'sand also see this note on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works which deals with how we treat references, as the titles are typically treated as a quotation.
Also on that page under
MOS:TITLECAPS: Citation style permits the use of pre-defined, off-Wikipedia citation styles within Wikipedia, and some of these expect sentence case for certain titles (usually article and chapter titles). Title case should not be imposed on such titles under such a citation style when that style is the one consistently used in an article.
As far as I can ascertain, the precise situation of title idiosyncrasies in English-language works in citations is not defined in the MOS. TITLECAPS refers to "article titles" and "in the article text". It then goes on to separate this from reference style. So the above two things are the closest we get. This is also, as far as I am aware, why the many title-case pruning functions of WP:AWB specifically avoid citation templates. I think it may be overall ambiguous, but errs on the side of maintaining page-specific style. If you'd like to change that, I would suggest an RFC either here or at MOS:TITLECAPS. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 06:05, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
can you point to a style guide that states these should be capitalized in title case?
when you clearly aren't very invested in the consequences of your own actions
invested in the consequences of [my] own actions. It's not assuming good faith.To avoid this entire dispute, I just replaced those references which you edited with more reliable ones. Using legal case in a newspaper title is already a red flag, so it made sense those sources were less reliable. Since we are here to write an encyclopedia, and not to have fun arguments, that should resolve this. Next time, when I say, "don't involve me in it any further, thanks", don't tag me. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 15:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
User:Revirvlkodlaku - please don't mass revert a long series of edits with the reason being you don't like my edit summaries. here. Most of it simply copy editing. I created this article in 2017 and wrote the description of it then and am responsible for most of the text, I know what I am doing here. Over the years it became confused and I am fixing and clarifying some things. If you have any particular problems with it, then discuss here. There was no reason to revert all of my edits over an edit summary dispute! You have been involved with this article for a little while now and I expect you and I will be working together for a long time so I suggest we start using the talk page to work through issues in the months and years ahead. -- Green C 09:51, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium ( talk) 22:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker → Caleb Lawrence McGillvary – This article goes well beyond the scope of the original viral video title. In fact, the lengthiest section is on McGillvary's murder conviction. The new Netflix documentary speaks even more about the person himself, and could potentially be used as the basis to further elaborate upon a biographical article about McGillvary. Mbdfar ( talk) 22:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
There were two tips that lead to Kai's arrest in Philadelphia. The Netflix documentary mentioned only one: a Starbucks employee. The other tip was from a New Jersey man. His tip notified authorities that Kai was heading to Philadelphia. 2601:83:8100:B:8BC:7B42:E191:2212 ( talk) 23:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Shibbolethink, can you please clarify what you mean when you say a source becomes less verifiable when title case is modified? Revirvlkodlaku ( talk) 17:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC) Hello @ Shibbolethink, I have tagged you in a discussion after you reverted my edit...please take the time to respond to my concern. Thank you. Revirvlkodlaku ( talk) 05:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
When an article is already consistent, avoid: switching between major citation styles or replacing the preferred style of one academic discipline with another'sand also see this note on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works which deals with how we treat references, as the titles are typically treated as a quotation.
Also on that page under
MOS:TITLECAPS: Citation style permits the use of pre-defined, off-Wikipedia citation styles within Wikipedia, and some of these expect sentence case for certain titles (usually article and chapter titles). Title case should not be imposed on such titles under such a citation style when that style is the one consistently used in an article.
As far as I can ascertain, the precise situation of title idiosyncrasies in English-language works in citations is not defined in the MOS. TITLECAPS refers to "article titles" and "in the article text". It then goes on to separate this from reference style. So the above two things are the closest we get. This is also, as far as I am aware, why the many title-case pruning functions of WP:AWB specifically avoid citation templates. I think it may be overall ambiguous, but errs on the side of maintaining page-specific style. If you'd like to change that, I would suggest an RFC either here or at MOS:TITLECAPS. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 06:05, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
can you point to a style guide that states these should be capitalized in title case?
when you clearly aren't very invested in the consequences of your own actions
invested in the consequences of [my] own actions. It's not assuming good faith.To avoid this entire dispute, I just replaced those references which you edited with more reliable ones. Using legal case in a newspaper title is already a red flag, so it made sense those sources were less reliable. Since we are here to write an encyclopedia, and not to have fun arguments, that should resolve this. Next time, when I say, "don't involve me in it any further, thanks", don't tag me. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 15:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
User:Revirvlkodlaku - please don't mass revert a long series of edits with the reason being you don't like my edit summaries. here. Most of it simply copy editing. I created this article in 2017 and wrote the description of it then and am responsible for most of the text, I know what I am doing here. Over the years it became confused and I am fixing and clarifying some things. If you have any particular problems with it, then discuss here. There was no reason to revert all of my edits over an edit summary dispute! You have been involved with this article for a little while now and I expect you and I will be working together for a long time so I suggest we start using the talk page to work through issues in the months and years ahead. -- Green C 09:51, 22 August 2023 (UTC)