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Does someone know if Mexico supports CableCard? Whpq 07:04, 5 June 2008
It's great if somebody can work this into the article. - http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6492390.html?rssid=196 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.19.230 ( talk) 02:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Could someone with more familiarity on the topic expand on the concept of the integration ban? The current text seems to imply that cable companies as of 2007 were required to use CableCards just like third party devices like TiVo. Wikipedia articles shouldn't imply anything than can simply be stated.
Also, the text as it is doesn't explain why cable provided set-top-boxes have access to interactive content and video on demand which CableCard devices do not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gthiruva ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't the FCC have a drop dead date by which cable operators must start deploying CableCard 2.0 and using it themselves in their own set top boxes?
What does Point of Deployment mean? An esoteric word such as that should be quickly followed by a definition and some context. Hackwrench 05:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
The article makes it seem like the one-way nature of v1.0 CableCards prevents programming guide functionality. This is obviously not a cause of the lack of such support, since virtually all satellite services are one-way but support programming guides. They do this by constantly streaming the data to all clients, so when a client wants a programming guide update, it simply listens until it has all the data it needs. Guspaz 00:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
--- Exactly. My set listens for TV Guide info over normal cable for my programming guide, although my CableCARD isn't authorized yet. My cable provider doesn't know how to use CableCARDs... I am getting a program guide though. Someone needs to rewrite that part of the article.
No offence, but a cable company shill could have written the article as it stands today. I don't think the bias is necessarily intentional, because the cable companies are spending a great deal of effort to mold public opinion regarding cablecards in the interest of delaying requirements that they be required to use them in their devices. Folks may simply be repeating misinformation that has been served up by cableco representatives in the media.
-There is a great deal of controversy between the Cable Companies vs. Consumer Electronics companies, Cableco's versus the FCC, Cableco's versus consumers. None of this is mentionned, and the article makes it appear that what is known as cablecard 2.0 will in fact be the successor of what is now known as cablecard 1.0. Unlike CC1.0, the FCC has not agreed to the specification, and the cable companies who wrote the spec have failed to secure any support for it among the consumer electronics companies who would be implementing the spec. The CEA and consumer groups would like to see specs for support of interactivity to proceed very differently. Essentially, the problem they see with the CC2.0 spec is that it turns the electronics box into a bot that is compelled to accept only the Java programs that the the cable companies force download to it. This is unacceptable to CE companies because distinguishing features of their devices could be submerged or ignored by these controlling cableco "OCAP" programs. Consumer groups feel that such control over these products makes CE companies try to find favor with the cable companies rather than consumers, thus reducing the power of the consumer to promote choice.
My opinion is that the highly contentious positions should be treated in Wikipedia as any other contentious issue like Roe is handled. NPOV while accurately describing both sides of the controversy. - Mak 02:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I made a significant rewrite. Didn't include all the issues that the CEA and NTCA squabble over, but added tons more dimension and reference to important FCC documents. More to be done- I still have to wade through some of my tortured prose. I made some repetitions and neglected much of the technical section in favor of attempting to get through the layman's explanation of features.
Areas having to do with future directions are closely related to Cablecard 2.0 discussion which must necessarily be close to explanation of what cablecard 1.0 is. However, I broke up some of this so that it didn't become a black hole sucking people down into details without completing a sufficient overview. Not sure how to better handle that. - Mak 23:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The section on 1.0 cable cards listed them as supporting pay-per-view *and* program guides. This is simply not the case. While some televisions (such as pioneer plasma tv's) *do* support an interactive guide, this information does *not* come from the cable company.
Also, although pay per view itself, as it was originally created, was not interactive, pay-per-view on most cable systems, including the two largest providers, comcast and time warner, is no longer a "locked access" based service, but rather a "video on demand" based service.
Some of the confusion might stem from what are called "multi-stream" cable cards. These are no different from ordinary cable cards, aside from the fact that they allow decoding of two continuous streams, rather than one single continous streams. These are primarily for use with devices such as Tivo DVR's and other similar products, or TV's with built in DVR features. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.69.53 ( talk) 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC). I didn't sign, because I am not registered. ~ dreamwraith |AT| renevo |DOT| com
If "CableCARD" is a trademarked term, why does this article use "CableCARD" as a noun throughout? Trademarked terms are always adjectives modifying a generic noun. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.176.49.45 ( talk) 21:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
This is not true. Consider the noun "Coke". Metageek 15:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Is ATI a manufacturer of CableCard TV Tuner? -- 202.71.240.18 10:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a misunderstanding about the ability of CableCARD 1.0 to support two-way features. CableCARD 1.0 modules are two-way devices and DO support these features. Claiming that the CableCARD 1.0 module does not support these features is technically incorrect. This misinformation probably results from the fact that these features only work with an OpenCable Host 2.0 device. The inability to support two-way features is a deficiency in the host device and not the CableCARD module. [1]. I think a lot of consfusion is being created because there is some ambiguity about what is being talked about when CableCARD 1.0 is mentioned. Are you talking about the actual module or the host and the module as a complete package? I suppose since there has not been success in producing a CableCARD 1.0 module and host combination that allows two-way features it could be said that CableCARD 1.0 does not support these features. However, I still think it technically inaccurate to say that the CableCARD 1.0 module doesn't support the features.
What does the C.A.R.D. stand for? If nothing, then we should render the name "Cablecard" or perhaps "CableCard" and the page should be edited and moved accordingly. We do not slavishly reproduce the bizarre capitalization used by trademark holders: WP:MOSTM. 170.140.210.108 ( talk) 18:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I have an issue with the first paragraph that mentions "Another name for a CableCARD is an M-CARD on some cable boxes."
M-CARD means that it is a multi-stream cableCARD. S-CARD means that it is a single-stream cableCARD.
M-CARD is not another name for cableCARD for the same reason that French is not another name for human. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.231.158.26 ( talk) 16:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The article mentions that some cable companies require on-site installation CableCards. While technically correct, this is incomplete at best and misleading at worst. The new FCC rules are specific that that if the CableCo permits end-user installs of ANY equipment, then it must permit end-user installs of cableCards. This rule dates all the way back to October 2010 and was published here: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-181A1.pdf There are continued anecdotal reports of CableCos violating this rule (see, for example, this review: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3RJQD9PV95GDL/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004HKIB6E&nodeID=172282&store=electronics ) Since the rule has been in place for quite some time, it seems curious that this article is not clearer on this subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.110.167.90 ( talk) 16:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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Does someone know if Mexico supports CableCard? Whpq 07:04, 5 June 2008
It's great if somebody can work this into the article. - http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6492390.html?rssid=196 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.19.230 ( talk) 02:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Could someone with more familiarity on the topic expand on the concept of the integration ban? The current text seems to imply that cable companies as of 2007 were required to use CableCards just like third party devices like TiVo. Wikipedia articles shouldn't imply anything than can simply be stated.
Also, the text as it is doesn't explain why cable provided set-top-boxes have access to interactive content and video on demand which CableCard devices do not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gthiruva ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't the FCC have a drop dead date by which cable operators must start deploying CableCard 2.0 and using it themselves in their own set top boxes?
What does Point of Deployment mean? An esoteric word such as that should be quickly followed by a definition and some context. Hackwrench 05:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
The article makes it seem like the one-way nature of v1.0 CableCards prevents programming guide functionality. This is obviously not a cause of the lack of such support, since virtually all satellite services are one-way but support programming guides. They do this by constantly streaming the data to all clients, so when a client wants a programming guide update, it simply listens until it has all the data it needs. Guspaz 00:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
--- Exactly. My set listens for TV Guide info over normal cable for my programming guide, although my CableCARD isn't authorized yet. My cable provider doesn't know how to use CableCARDs... I am getting a program guide though. Someone needs to rewrite that part of the article.
No offence, but a cable company shill could have written the article as it stands today. I don't think the bias is necessarily intentional, because the cable companies are spending a great deal of effort to mold public opinion regarding cablecards in the interest of delaying requirements that they be required to use them in their devices. Folks may simply be repeating misinformation that has been served up by cableco representatives in the media.
-There is a great deal of controversy between the Cable Companies vs. Consumer Electronics companies, Cableco's versus the FCC, Cableco's versus consumers. None of this is mentionned, and the article makes it appear that what is known as cablecard 2.0 will in fact be the successor of what is now known as cablecard 1.0. Unlike CC1.0, the FCC has not agreed to the specification, and the cable companies who wrote the spec have failed to secure any support for it among the consumer electronics companies who would be implementing the spec. The CEA and consumer groups would like to see specs for support of interactivity to proceed very differently. Essentially, the problem they see with the CC2.0 spec is that it turns the electronics box into a bot that is compelled to accept only the Java programs that the the cable companies force download to it. This is unacceptable to CE companies because distinguishing features of their devices could be submerged or ignored by these controlling cableco "OCAP" programs. Consumer groups feel that such control over these products makes CE companies try to find favor with the cable companies rather than consumers, thus reducing the power of the consumer to promote choice.
My opinion is that the highly contentious positions should be treated in Wikipedia as any other contentious issue like Roe is handled. NPOV while accurately describing both sides of the controversy. - Mak 02:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I made a significant rewrite. Didn't include all the issues that the CEA and NTCA squabble over, but added tons more dimension and reference to important FCC documents. More to be done- I still have to wade through some of my tortured prose. I made some repetitions and neglected much of the technical section in favor of attempting to get through the layman's explanation of features.
Areas having to do with future directions are closely related to Cablecard 2.0 discussion which must necessarily be close to explanation of what cablecard 1.0 is. However, I broke up some of this so that it didn't become a black hole sucking people down into details without completing a sufficient overview. Not sure how to better handle that. - Mak 23:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The section on 1.0 cable cards listed them as supporting pay-per-view *and* program guides. This is simply not the case. While some televisions (such as pioneer plasma tv's) *do* support an interactive guide, this information does *not* come from the cable company.
Also, although pay per view itself, as it was originally created, was not interactive, pay-per-view on most cable systems, including the two largest providers, comcast and time warner, is no longer a "locked access" based service, but rather a "video on demand" based service.
Some of the confusion might stem from what are called "multi-stream" cable cards. These are no different from ordinary cable cards, aside from the fact that they allow decoding of two continuous streams, rather than one single continous streams. These are primarily for use with devices such as Tivo DVR's and other similar products, or TV's with built in DVR features. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.170.69.53 ( talk) 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC). I didn't sign, because I am not registered. ~ dreamwraith |AT| renevo |DOT| com
If "CableCARD" is a trademarked term, why does this article use "CableCARD" as a noun throughout? Trademarked terms are always adjectives modifying a generic noun. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.176.49.45 ( talk) 21:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
This is not true. Consider the noun "Coke". Metageek 15:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Is ATI a manufacturer of CableCard TV Tuner? -- 202.71.240.18 10:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a misunderstanding about the ability of CableCARD 1.0 to support two-way features. CableCARD 1.0 modules are two-way devices and DO support these features. Claiming that the CableCARD 1.0 module does not support these features is technically incorrect. This misinformation probably results from the fact that these features only work with an OpenCable Host 2.0 device. The inability to support two-way features is a deficiency in the host device and not the CableCARD module. [1]. I think a lot of consfusion is being created because there is some ambiguity about what is being talked about when CableCARD 1.0 is mentioned. Are you talking about the actual module or the host and the module as a complete package? I suppose since there has not been success in producing a CableCARD 1.0 module and host combination that allows two-way features it could be said that CableCARD 1.0 does not support these features. However, I still think it technically inaccurate to say that the CableCARD 1.0 module doesn't support the features.
What does the C.A.R.D. stand for? If nothing, then we should render the name "Cablecard" or perhaps "CableCard" and the page should be edited and moved accordingly. We do not slavishly reproduce the bizarre capitalization used by trademark holders: WP:MOSTM. 170.140.210.108 ( talk) 18:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I have an issue with the first paragraph that mentions "Another name for a CableCARD is an M-CARD on some cable boxes."
M-CARD means that it is a multi-stream cableCARD. S-CARD means that it is a single-stream cableCARD.
M-CARD is not another name for cableCARD for the same reason that French is not another name for human. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.231.158.26 ( talk) 16:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The article mentions that some cable companies require on-site installation CableCards. While technically correct, this is incomplete at best and misleading at worst. The new FCC rules are specific that that if the CableCo permits end-user installs of ANY equipment, then it must permit end-user installs of cableCards. This rule dates all the way back to October 2010 and was published here: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-181A1.pdf There are continued anecdotal reports of CableCos violating this rule (see, for example, this review: http://www.amazon.com/review/R3RJQD9PV95GDL/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004HKIB6E&nodeID=172282&store=electronics ) Since the rule has been in place for quite some time, it seems curious that this article is not clearer on this subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.110.167.90 ( talk) 16:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)