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COVID-19 pandemic instead of coronavirus pandemic BLACKPINKINYOURAREA123 ( talk) 06:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
COVID-19 is a bland bureaucratic name created by an organization WHO first denied this was an international crisis, suppressed the early Taiwanese warnings of its contagiousness, scolded countries that tried to block the importation of infected people into their borders, waited until it was undeniably a pandemic around the world, and then demanded money to solve the problem they had allowed to fester. On what grounds must we honor their choice? — Preceding
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Support. COVID-19 is actually more specific than 'coronavirus' since coronavirus is the family of viruses. Even SARS is a coronavirus. Rwat128 ( talk) 15:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Can the territories be reduced - they keep increasing and it seems excessive i.e Sark and Alderney are not autonomous from the Guernsey or claiming as such so no sense in listing them. Likewise with the Ukraine self claimed areas (which could be seen like Scotland, UK), Rodiguez Is likewise. Those listed below I believe should be removed for reason stated
3 Rodrigues 41,669 Mauritius - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach
11 Svalbard 2,667 Norway - not usually listed separate to Norway 13 Alderney 2,039 Guernsey - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach 14 Mount Athos 2,000 Greece - never heard of it before and see no logic for it's separate listing 19 Rotuma 1,594 Fiji - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach 22 Sark 492 Guernsey - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach
1 Somaliland Somaliland[221] 3,508,180 Somalia Somalia Africa not recognised by any other state 2 Donetsk People's Republic 2,302,444 Ukraine Ukraine Europe recognised only by other non-UN member states 3 Luhansk People's Republic 1,464,039 Ukraine Ukraine Europe recognised only by other non-UN member states 5 Abkhazia[222] 243,206 Georgia (country) Georgia Asia recognised by at least one UN member state 6 Republic of Artsakh[223] 150,932 Azerbaijan Azerbaijan Asia recognised only by other non-UN member states 7 South Ossetia[222]
These changes would reduce the data on the page and sit better with the worldometers data which is the general guide from research.
Thanks, Lucas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparkylucas75 ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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THE DATA MENTIONED ABOUT INDIA ACTIVE CASES IS NOT CORRECT AND GOVERNMENT HAS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THIS. THE NUMBERS PROVIDED IN THIS ARTICLE FOR INDIA ARE FROM NEWSPAPERS AND NOT FROM GOVERNMENT SOURCES. 202.179.86.62 ( talk) 05:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)PH
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could you please add kiribati to either the safe or conformed case list i would really appreciate it. Cokibdoki ( talk) 15:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
The map File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map per Capita.svg has wrong caption in the article. The caption in the article says:
while the legend in the file description of the map says:
Even the number of different colors is wrong in the article (there is no color #510000 in the actual map). 109.60.39.26 ( talk) 15:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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can you please add rodrigues i saw you had external territories and was looking for rodrigues it is a territory so can you please add it.it would be a lot of help. Cokibdoki ( talk) 17:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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please add south georgia and the south sandwich islands to your list of territories without coronavirus and ambazonia to your list of unrecognized countries. Cokibdoki ( talk) 18:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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can you please add puntland and jubaland to your list of unrecognized countries. Cokibdoki ( talk) 18:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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i see that you have territories and i see that nunavut is not there it is technically a territory and does not have coronavirus could you please add it Cokibdoki ( talk) 17:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change Trinidad and Tobago figures to 76 cases and 3 deaths The source on Twitter is old please see the official Government website http://www.health.gov.tt/sitepages/default.aspx?id=293 ACTUAL RELEASE HERE http://www.health.gov.tt/images_cms/2020/CoronaVirus/MediaReleases/March/Mar28-01.jpg KevinTnT ( talk) 11:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Johns Hopkins coronavirus map is arguably the most popular coronavirus map tracker in the world, with more frequently searches and citations than Worldometer.info (source: Google Trends, Mar 29, 2020) Also, Johns Hopkins is one of the most renown universities in the world, with #1 public health school in the world. It is very shocking that Worldometer.info is being cited, where it's methodology has not been independently verified and it appears Worldometer.info is a for-profit private company that sells live-counters ( https://www.worldometers.info/licensing/). My proposal is to cite the Johns Hopkins official tracker instead of Worldometer.info, since Johns Hopkins source has no conflict-of-interest in terms of financial incentives, more reliable and reputable source that has been validated unlike the Worldometer.info source. Rwat128 ( talk) 15:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
In the chart depicted on Wikipedia the amount of cases on the Diamond Princess Cruise ship are listed at 672. In the WHO Official count the cases are listed at 712. Is there a reason for the disparity in the case count?
WHO Situation Report: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200330-sitrep-70-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=7e0fe3f8_2
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#Cases per capita map caption has probably gone unnoticed. The legend of the File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map per Capita.svg should be changed from
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i.e. the darkest red color (#510000) should be removed because it does not appear on the map (yet), nor on the legend in its description and the numbers/colors should be adjusted accordingly. 109.60.36.215 ( talk) 13:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC) 109.60.36.215 ( talk) 13:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change "As of 25 March, cases have been confirmed in all African nations except for" to "As of 31 March, cases have been confirmed in all African nations except for" ref: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-leone/sierra-leone-has-confirmed-its-first-case-of-coronavirus-president-says-idUSKBN21I1MY Shayapearl ( talk) 13:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Reported by the Irish public broadcaster, RTE. [1] Also by Reuters. [2] Culloty82 ( talk) 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
[1] As of 3/29/2020,there are ~60 confirmed cases in Rwanda, most of which were determined to be positive at the Kigali airport as travelers entered the country. About a week ago, Rwanda had already closed the airport for 30 days, prohibiting traveler entry and exit. Kigali, the capital city, is not allowing for any local residential travel except for food and medical services. The Rwandan government is very proactive in disease prevention, thus they must remain active in corona virus spread. Major food sources within the country come from hand labor without the aid of mechanized implements. The Rwandan growing season is almost a full year long process, thus food supplies should remain plentiful provided the virus does not inhibit individual farm production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:1120:8045:E90D:BE1E:2665:AD41 ( talk) 16:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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In order to follow standard epidemiological practices the numbers should be indexed to the population. Richard D. McCabe, PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Branchltd ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
AS OF TODAY, HAS 7 CONFIRMED CASES — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.214.12.90 ( talk) 03:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
This would be much more informative if a column was added showing Hospitalizations. Many people are thinking that "Cases" indicates serious hospitalized cases. Yet, only a relatively small percentage of Cases are serious enough to be hospitalized. 2603:9001:FF00:52:683C:358E:FD:53A9 ( talk) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
For Germany, the most up-to-date and accurate source for cases, deaths and approx. recoveries is Tagesspiegel [1] as their data source is completely open, allowing anyone to view the local government sources for every municipality/city. There are serious concerns with Zeit Online's numbers, as there are numerous instances of double counting municipalities, meaning depending on the day their number of infected cases could be off by 500-1000, plus their recovery numbers are not accurate. I can provide more info if needed, but it would also be good to refer to the discussion on the Wikipedia page [2] under "Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2020", which has led to this German coronavirus wiki page to switch to Tagesspiegel as the primary source for cases, deaths and approx. recoveries. Please note that the recoveries much higher, by double right now, from Zeit Online, but Tagesspiegel's methodology is more reliable and it is the same that the German federal government's Robert Koch Institute is using. T.A.Girard ( talk) 23:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Cases currently up to 38; second coronavirus related death reported. https://twitter.com/christufton/status/1245128921802330115 -- Mrsolan22 ( talk) 01:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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US data is incorrect, check your facts before posting and creating more panic than needed. Cross checked against CDC and WHO. Your data is wrong! Not 4,000 deaths in the US. 2600:8800:8B00:6BC:5892:511D:9737:B045 ( talk) 05:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Here is info about 2 cases [2] but I cannot find where (Bonaire, St.Eustatius or Saba) ? Mircea ( talk) 10:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Have any cases been detected on the sparsely-populated Russian islands? If not, they should be in the same category as Svalbard. Culloty82 ( talk) 19:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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In the table "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory" please change the number of cases, deaths, recovered for Germany to match the more up-to-date and accurate data source of Tagesspiegel [1]. This means currently (01:00 Berlin time, 02 Apr) the German numbers should be changed to 77,981 cases, 931 deaths and 18,700 recovered. This is because this data source is more reliable since it is completely open, allowing anyone to view the local government sources for every municipality/city. The Zeit Online data source has errors that are cause for concern. For further information, please see the discussion page topic "Germany Data Source: switch from Zeit Online to Tagesspiegel?". T.A.Girard ( talk) 23:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC) T.A.Girard ( talk) 23:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The update about coronavirus in india is not real...... U have published fack news kindly not spared fake news........ Saroj Bagh 11:43, 2 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baghbabu7326 ( talk • contribs)
Number of death in india is 50 but wikipedia display 58...due to coronavirus Saroj Bagh 13:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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"A study of three municipalities in Italy has indicated that the number of deaths may be underreported by a factor of four". The idea that the number of deaths in all Italy is four times more is a total fabrication by the mayor of Nembro which, without any source cited, stated that since the number of cases in Nembro (worst affected municipality of all Italy) is four times more this means that this is also the case in all the country.
Yesterday ISTAT released some data on the total deaths during the first 3 weeks of March, which suggest that in Bergamo the number of deaths could be twice the official count (very different from 4 times more), while in other areas the underestimate could be much lower (and close to non existent in the less effected area in the South and Centre of the country). At the moment ISTAT and ISS are working to estimate the real numbers.
So the phrase is clearly false and should be removed or reformulated.-- 79.44.25.206 ( talk) 09:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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Ireland has 13 additional deaths, making the total number 98. Source: rte.ie Michaelfunge205 ( talk) 20:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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The Louisiana Department of Health reported a total of 9,150 positive cases of COVID-19 throughout the state on Thursday.
310 have died. 71.47.136.25 ( talk) 20:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
[19] UK Data Table 191 Recovered & 2,921 Deaths. This is highly incorrect, if we don't have accurate recovered data then it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.100.132 ( talk) 17:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
No where can the number of Hospitalizations, aka serious cases, be found. Any way to add it? 2603:9001:FF00:52:683C:358E:FD:53A9 ( talk) 00:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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It is well established that China's reported numbers are not accurate. Such false should not be reported here as fact. If you will not remove it, at least include an asterisk linking to any of the various sources disputing China's reported numbers, i.e., https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html. 2600:1700:4620:4B70:2515:671B:F952:2F47 ( talk) 20:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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US, British and other western intelligence agencies and the United States government have revealed the Chinese have been deliberately concealing the extent of the outbreak, and specifically the numbers of cases and deaths, since at least November. I am requesting a caveat or note be placed stating this next to the numbers for the People's Republic of China. Source: [3] [4] 142.116.178.22 ( talk) 22:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
I think now is no the time to use this article to begin a war of narratives between the US and China. And the US government is no less credible than the Chinese is at this stage. Each day they say something different depending on Trump's mood. Php2000 ( talk) 11:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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(talk) 21:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)You add a map that explain the Coronavirus cases and Coronavirus deaths by country by creating a map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrin Orlanes Politico ( talk • contribs) 07:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
It would be good to have an automatic calculation of deaths per capita in the table. Perhaps the most accurate way to portray the gravity of the situation in each country. Php2000 ( talk) 11:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
One and only source : santepubliquefrance ; which is actually the main source of this wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.2.154.69 ( talk) 15:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.88.223.199 ( talk) 18:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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South Africa 7 deaths due to Corona virus and not 5 as currently stated. 41.170.80.75 ( talk) 20:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
According to the Government of Pakistan's portal ( http://covid.gov.pk/), the total number of cases as of last night was 2547 (not 2680) and 37 deaths (not 40). Please update your statistics because its caused quite a stir. Both BBC Urdu and Dawn News picked up on this number, despite the fact the Government of Pakistan portal which you use as Pakistan's source says 2547. Regards. -- 2607:FEA8:A380:3173:A048:E968:35FF:B827 ( talk) 03:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Bangladesh has 70 confirmed cases with 8 deaths as of today (4 April 2020). Muhib ( talk) 06:29, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Please also update recovered cases number as 30. Source: https://www.iedcr.gov.bd/ Muhib ( talk) 06:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
83031 Coronavirus Cases in France
Coronavirus COVID-19 CSSE Johns Hopkins University
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Latvia: 2 deaths 86.1.123.148 ( talk) 12:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
What is the amount of coronavirus in every country? Corona time die ( talk) 18:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, your total number of confirmed covid-19 cases for France is wrong and not in line with your own source. Pleas align it with your source, which is correct. Thanks 2001:B07:AE6:267B:3569:C08E:EFD6:99F2 ( talk) 06:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
First positive case in the territory has been confirmed. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 11:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Total deaths: 69,420 Relay69.420 ( talk) 01:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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I think the numbers for Austria have been switched between the deaths & recoveries, please update 79.178.104.147 ( talk) 23:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm sure that table of external territories must consists from two territories only - Norwegian Svalbard and Australian Coral See Islands. Another countries, included in current table of external territories, must be convert into Overseas Territories table. I propose full list of countries for Overseas Territories table (what exists as subjects of international politics): 1. American Samoa 2. Bonaire 3. Christmas Island 4. Cocos Islands 5. Cook Islands 6. Niue 7. Norfolk Island 8. Pitcairn Islands 9. Saba 10.Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha 11. Saint Pierre and Miquelon 12. Tokelau 13. Wallis and Futuna
All another territories, what included in the table now, must be exclude, because they are the parts of independent countries or dependent territories. 10:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC) CrazyRepublican ( talk)
CrazyRepublicanI have made similar comments as it's then consistent with worldometer and general geography knowledge ( talk) - that maybe the case but where do you then draw a line. My city has it's own governing body as do all US states - that would be madness. Sparkylucas75 —Preceding undated comment added 14:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
The title of this article says "by country". Antarctica has no countries. 41.221.207.57 ( talk) 13:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory. -- MarioGom ( talk) 13:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Due to fact, that territories of Jubaland, Puntland and Rojava do not seek recognition as an independent entity, I think, that they must be excluded from table of States with no recognition or limited recognition. CrazyRepublican ( talk) 10:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I think that list lacks following inhabited territories under foreign occupation: 1.Golan Heights (Israeli occupation), 2. Azad Kashmir (Pakistani occupation), 3. Gilgit Baltistan (Pakistani occupation), 4. Aksai Chin (Chinese occupation), 5. Shaksgam River Valley (Chinese occupation), 6. City of Sevastopol (Russian occupation), 7. Autonomous Republic of Crimea (Russian occupation). CrazyRepublican ( talk) 14:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donetsk and Luhansk "republics", Northern Cyprus are under foreign occupation now. But these countries marked in table as separate entities. CrazyRepublican ( talk) 17:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
The Northern Mariana Is are in the Wikipedia page but not listed on the Worldometer listing - why is this variation present?
Western Sahara is confirmed with 4 cases on Worldometer and is the same as Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic but the later name remains as no cases on the Africa list yet in the notes confirms there are cases - this needs updating.
The territories etc list remains very excessive and needs revising - there is no logic to add more and more islands/areas. The Nations of the UN plus the standard recognised territories makes sense. Alderney & Sark are not self governing and have no logic to be listed. similar with islands linked to places like Mauritius etc - it should match that of the Worldometer listing for consistency and any of the "extra" areas could be listed as a seperate statement for info.
Those below should remain:
2 Bougainville[280] 249,358 autonomous region Papua New Guinea
4 American Samoa[281] 55,191 unincorporated territory United States
7 Bonaire[282] 20,104 special municipality Netherlands
9 Cook Islands[283] 17,564 associated state New Zealand 10 Wallis and Futuna 11,239 overseas collectivity France
13 Saint Helena & dependant Territories Saint Helena[284] 4,534 (administrative subdivision of Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha) United Kingdom
17 Saba 1,915 special municipality Netherlands 18 Christmas Island 1,843 external territory Australia 19 Norfolk Island Norfolk Island 1,748 external territory Australia 20 Niue 1,626 associated state New Zealand
23 Tokelau 1,357 dependent territory New Zealand
26 Cocos (Keeling) Islands 544 external territory Australia
31 Pitcairn Islands 50 overseas territory United Kingdom
Check Northern Mariana Islands - and add if no cases and on case list in error
States with no recognition or limited recognition - following now has cases and needs removing
6 Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic[b] 100,000 Disputed Africa recognised by at least one UN member state Sparkylucas75 ( talk) 14:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)sparkylucas75
Why there are no recoveries statistics for UK and the Netherlands? In Worldometers they have 135 and 250 recovery cases respectively. Aminabzz ( talk) 18:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
As of 23 March 2020, the United Kingdom government does not publish the number of recoveries. Last update on 22 March reported 135 recovered patients.Keeping that 135 from 22 March would be misleading, since the estimated number of recoveries is much higher by now. The situation is similar for the Netherlands, see the footnote:
The Dutch Government agency RIVM, responsible for the constituent country the Netherlands, does not count its number of recoveries.-- MarioGom ( talk) 18:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
The original source is not Finnish language, it is Swedish! Look it up I you don't believe me. Vasaras kruīzi Tallink ( talk) 20:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Curacao has 7 people recovered now instead of 5 138.219.140.30 ( talk) 04:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I took a stab at writing a disambiguation hatnote between this article and National responses to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. I'm not sure I got the distinction perfectly right, so if those of you maintaining this article want it to be different, please feel free to modify (so long as you're able to agree with the folks at the other page and keep the hatnotes synchronized). {{u| Sdkb}} talk 05:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Numbers of Deaths in Switzerland ist 705. See offical Link below of the swiss gouverment
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/situation-schweiz-und-international.html Davidisler ( talk) 11:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Curacao has 7 people recovered now instead of 5 138.219.140.30 ( talk) 15:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Since Vatican City is a separate country, they should be listed here as the most affected nation. 7 out of 618 is 11326 per million. Vatican City is the most affected country per capita. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.101.160 ( talk) 18:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Can the number of cases for New Zealand please be updated? The Ministry of Health lists 1239 as the total confirmed and probable cases, while the current confirmed cases total is only 992. https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenbananas129 ( talk • contribs) 22:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Table has since been updated to today’s figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenbananas129 ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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change death toll of Spain to 15,843 2A01:E0A:580:C5B0:A823:3E08:3C0C:2393 ( talk) 10:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
autonomous Monastic Republic of Mount Athos should be counted seperate than Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.111.5.6 ( talk) 09:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Iranian authorities are announcing their statistics every 24 hours on 10:30 AM in GMT time. They announced 3993 deaths on that time (6 and a half hours ago). So how is the numbers increased by 10 while they will announce more, 14 hours later? Aminabzz ( talk) 16:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Pardon me. 17 and a half hours later. Aminabzz ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
The article right now states:
"The crude (preliminary) case fatality rate is 6.0%.[2]"
And it links to some study at the St. John Hopkins University.
But this is not correct, because it depends on the country, and many additional factors. We have a range as low as ~2.0%, to 4.1% or so in Wuhan (but other areas in China have e. g. 2.0; and then we have situations such as Italy or Spain with 10-12%. While the latter may decrease (because weaker people with pre-diseases are statistically more likely to die early, as opposed to those who may recover), having a statement like "the case fatality rate is 6.0%", is SIMPLY NOT CORRECT TO SAY. Wikipedia should NOT make such generic statements without restrictions - John Hopkins university is not even the only one doing testings. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:1535:595B:9280:DF61 ( talk) 16:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
This is a moot discussion. The numbers of most countries including the United States can safely be assumed to be a severe undercount, and in many cases this is much more than an assumption but easily verifiable.
Deliberately not doing any testing for instance is a great way to cover up the true numbers. Obviously you will have a wonderfully low number of verified cases if you do hardly any testing in the first place. The downside of this strategy being that you will end up with a horrific percentage of deaths among those verified cases. --
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The underreporting by China is much higher than any other country. This was originally mentioned by various unofficial sources, but then it became well known: the French press mentions comments by the Chinese Diaspora around 60 000 deaths: [1] (also [2], and [3]). This article [4] mentions several direct sources. The widely used [5] does not present numbers for China, mentioning that the numbers are vastly underreported: sources are known epidemiologists. Other countries underreport the number of contamination, but the number of deaths is validated by global mortality rates (e.g. INSEE reports in France). According to that source, there is a unique, on purpose, underreporting in China by local governments as they are afraid of consequences by the communist party if they report disasters - yes, other governments underreport, but the deaths are not underreported by a factor 30 - for example journalists found the underreporting of deaths in EHPAD, leading to an increase by some percentage, but far less than a factor 2. China is a very special, widely validated, underreporting. Olivier Teytaud 2A01:E0A:544:29F0:4A8:44E4:851:F90B ( talk) 05:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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COVID-19 pandemic instead of coronavirus pandemic BLACKPINKINYOURAREA123 ( talk) 06:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
COVID-19 is a bland bureaucratic name created by an organization WHO first denied this was an international crisis, suppressed the early Taiwanese warnings of its contagiousness, scolded countries that tried to block the importation of infected people into their borders, waited until it was undeniably a pandemic around the world, and then demanded money to solve the problem they had allowed to fester. On what grounds must we honor their choice? — Preceding
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Support. COVID-19 is actually more specific than 'coronavirus' since coronavirus is the family of viruses. Even SARS is a coronavirus. Rwat128 ( talk) 15:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Can the territories be reduced - they keep increasing and it seems excessive i.e Sark and Alderney are not autonomous from the Guernsey or claiming as such so no sense in listing them. Likewise with the Ukraine self claimed areas (which could be seen like Scotland, UK), Rodiguez Is likewise. Those listed below I believe should be removed for reason stated
3 Rodrigues 41,669 Mauritius - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach
11 Svalbard 2,667 Norway - not usually listed separate to Norway 13 Alderney 2,039 Guernsey - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach 14 Mount Athos 2,000 Greece - never heard of it before and see no logic for it's separate listing 19 Rotuma 1,594 Fiji - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach 22 Sark 492 Guernsey - not autonomous or self governing nor listed as a territory by UN approach
1 Somaliland Somaliland[221] 3,508,180 Somalia Somalia Africa not recognised by any other state 2 Donetsk People's Republic 2,302,444 Ukraine Ukraine Europe recognised only by other non-UN member states 3 Luhansk People's Republic 1,464,039 Ukraine Ukraine Europe recognised only by other non-UN member states 5 Abkhazia[222] 243,206 Georgia (country) Georgia Asia recognised by at least one UN member state 6 Republic of Artsakh[223] 150,932 Azerbaijan Azerbaijan Asia recognised only by other non-UN member states 7 South Ossetia[222]
These changes would reduce the data on the page and sit better with the worldometers data which is the general guide from research.
Thanks, Lucas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparkylucas75 ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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THE DATA MENTIONED ABOUT INDIA ACTIVE CASES IS NOT CORRECT AND GOVERNMENT HAS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THIS. THE NUMBERS PROVIDED IN THIS ARTICLE FOR INDIA ARE FROM NEWSPAPERS AND NOT FROM GOVERNMENT SOURCES. 202.179.86.62 ( talk) 05:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)PH
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could you please add kiribati to either the safe or conformed case list i would really appreciate it. Cokibdoki ( talk) 15:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
The map File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map per Capita.svg has wrong caption in the article. The caption in the article says:
while the legend in the file description of the map says:
Even the number of different colors is wrong in the article (there is no color #510000 in the actual map). 109.60.39.26 ( talk) 15:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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can you please add rodrigues i saw you had external territories and was looking for rodrigues it is a territory so can you please add it.it would be a lot of help. Cokibdoki ( talk) 17:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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please add south georgia and the south sandwich islands to your list of territories without coronavirus and ambazonia to your list of unrecognized countries. Cokibdoki ( talk) 18:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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can you please add puntland and jubaland to your list of unrecognized countries. Cokibdoki ( talk) 18:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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i see that you have territories and i see that nunavut is not there it is technically a territory and does not have coronavirus could you please add it Cokibdoki ( talk) 17:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change Trinidad and Tobago figures to 76 cases and 3 deaths The source on Twitter is old please see the official Government website http://www.health.gov.tt/sitepages/default.aspx?id=293 ACTUAL RELEASE HERE http://www.health.gov.tt/images_cms/2020/CoronaVirus/MediaReleases/March/Mar28-01.jpg KevinTnT ( talk) 11:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Johns Hopkins coronavirus map is arguably the most popular coronavirus map tracker in the world, with more frequently searches and citations than Worldometer.info (source: Google Trends, Mar 29, 2020) Also, Johns Hopkins is one of the most renown universities in the world, with #1 public health school in the world. It is very shocking that Worldometer.info is being cited, where it's methodology has not been independently verified and it appears Worldometer.info is a for-profit private company that sells live-counters ( https://www.worldometers.info/licensing/). My proposal is to cite the Johns Hopkins official tracker instead of Worldometer.info, since Johns Hopkins source has no conflict-of-interest in terms of financial incentives, more reliable and reputable source that has been validated unlike the Worldometer.info source. Rwat128 ( talk) 15:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
In the chart depicted on Wikipedia the amount of cases on the Diamond Princess Cruise ship are listed at 672. In the WHO Official count the cases are listed at 712. Is there a reason for the disparity in the case count?
WHO Situation Report: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200330-sitrep-70-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=7e0fe3f8_2
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#Cases per capita map caption has probably gone unnoticed. The legend of the File:COVID-19 Outbreak World Map per Capita.svg should be changed from
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i.e. the darkest red color (#510000) should be removed because it does not appear on the map (yet), nor on the legend in its description and the numbers/colors should be adjusted accordingly. 109.60.36.215 ( talk) 13:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC) 109.60.36.215 ( talk) 13:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change "As of 25 March, cases have been confirmed in all African nations except for" to "As of 31 March, cases have been confirmed in all African nations except for" ref: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-leone/sierra-leone-has-confirmed-its-first-case-of-coronavirus-president-says-idUSKBN21I1MY Shayapearl ( talk) 13:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Reported by the Irish public broadcaster, RTE. [1] Also by Reuters. [2] Culloty82 ( talk) 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
[1] As of 3/29/2020,there are ~60 confirmed cases in Rwanda, most of which were determined to be positive at the Kigali airport as travelers entered the country. About a week ago, Rwanda had already closed the airport for 30 days, prohibiting traveler entry and exit. Kigali, the capital city, is not allowing for any local residential travel except for food and medical services. The Rwandan government is very proactive in disease prevention, thus they must remain active in corona virus spread. Major food sources within the country come from hand labor without the aid of mechanized implements. The Rwandan growing season is almost a full year long process, thus food supplies should remain plentiful provided the virus does not inhibit individual farm production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:1120:8045:E90D:BE1E:2665:AD41 ( talk) 16:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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In order to follow standard epidemiological practices the numbers should be indexed to the population. Richard D. McCabe, PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Branchltd ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
AS OF TODAY, HAS 7 CONFIRMED CASES — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.214.12.90 ( talk) 03:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
This would be much more informative if a column was added showing Hospitalizations. Many people are thinking that "Cases" indicates serious hospitalized cases. Yet, only a relatively small percentage of Cases are serious enough to be hospitalized. 2603:9001:FF00:52:683C:358E:FD:53A9 ( talk) 09:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
For Germany, the most up-to-date and accurate source for cases, deaths and approx. recoveries is Tagesspiegel [1] as their data source is completely open, allowing anyone to view the local government sources for every municipality/city. There are serious concerns with Zeit Online's numbers, as there are numerous instances of double counting municipalities, meaning depending on the day their number of infected cases could be off by 500-1000, plus their recovery numbers are not accurate. I can provide more info if needed, but it would also be good to refer to the discussion on the Wikipedia page [2] under "Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2020", which has led to this German coronavirus wiki page to switch to Tagesspiegel as the primary source for cases, deaths and approx. recoveries. Please note that the recoveries much higher, by double right now, from Zeit Online, but Tagesspiegel's methodology is more reliable and it is the same that the German federal government's Robert Koch Institute is using. T.A.Girard ( talk) 23:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Cases currently up to 38; second coronavirus related death reported. https://twitter.com/christufton/status/1245128921802330115 -- Mrsolan22 ( talk) 01:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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US data is incorrect, check your facts before posting and creating more panic than needed. Cross checked against CDC and WHO. Your data is wrong! Not 4,000 deaths in the US. 2600:8800:8B00:6BC:5892:511D:9737:B045 ( talk) 05:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Here is info about 2 cases [2] but I cannot find where (Bonaire, St.Eustatius or Saba) ? Mircea ( talk) 10:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Have any cases been detected on the sparsely-populated Russian islands? If not, they should be in the same category as Svalbard. Culloty82 ( talk) 19:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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In the table "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory" please change the number of cases, deaths, recovered for Germany to match the more up-to-date and accurate data source of Tagesspiegel [1]. This means currently (01:00 Berlin time, 02 Apr) the German numbers should be changed to 77,981 cases, 931 deaths and 18,700 recovered. This is because this data source is more reliable since it is completely open, allowing anyone to view the local government sources for every municipality/city. The Zeit Online data source has errors that are cause for concern. For further information, please see the discussion page topic "Germany Data Source: switch from Zeit Online to Tagesspiegel?". T.A.Girard ( talk) 23:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC) T.A.Girard ( talk) 23:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
The update about coronavirus in india is not real...... U have published fack news kindly not spared fake news........ Saroj Bagh 11:43, 2 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baghbabu7326 ( talk • contribs)
Number of death in india is 50 but wikipedia display 58...due to coronavirus Saroj Bagh 13:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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"A study of three municipalities in Italy has indicated that the number of deaths may be underreported by a factor of four". The idea that the number of deaths in all Italy is four times more is a total fabrication by the mayor of Nembro which, without any source cited, stated that since the number of cases in Nembro (worst affected municipality of all Italy) is four times more this means that this is also the case in all the country.
Yesterday ISTAT released some data on the total deaths during the first 3 weeks of March, which suggest that in Bergamo the number of deaths could be twice the official count (very different from 4 times more), while in other areas the underestimate could be much lower (and close to non existent in the less effected area in the South and Centre of the country). At the moment ISTAT and ISS are working to estimate the real numbers.
So the phrase is clearly false and should be removed or reformulated.-- 79.44.25.206 ( talk) 09:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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Ireland has 13 additional deaths, making the total number 98. Source: rte.ie Michaelfunge205 ( talk) 20:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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The Louisiana Department of Health reported a total of 9,150 positive cases of COVID-19 throughout the state on Thursday.
310 have died. 71.47.136.25 ( talk) 20:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
[19] UK Data Table 191 Recovered & 2,921 Deaths. This is highly incorrect, if we don't have accurate recovered data then it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.100.132 ( talk) 17:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
No where can the number of Hospitalizations, aka serious cases, be found. Any way to add it? 2603:9001:FF00:52:683C:358E:FD:53A9 ( talk) 00:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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It is well established that China's reported numbers are not accurate. Such false should not be reported here as fact. If you will not remove it, at least include an asterisk linking to any of the various sources disputing China's reported numbers, i.e., https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html. 2600:1700:4620:4B70:2515:671B:F952:2F47 ( talk) 20:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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US, British and other western intelligence agencies and the United States government have revealed the Chinese have been deliberately concealing the extent of the outbreak, and specifically the numbers of cases and deaths, since at least November. I am requesting a caveat or note be placed stating this next to the numbers for the People's Republic of China. Source: [3] [4] 142.116.178.22 ( talk) 22:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
I think now is no the time to use this article to begin a war of narratives between the US and China. And the US government is no less credible than the Chinese is at this stage. Each day they say something different depending on Trump's mood. Php2000 ( talk) 11:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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(talk) 21:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)You add a map that explain the Coronavirus cases and Coronavirus deaths by country by creating a map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrin Orlanes Politico ( talk • contribs) 07:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
It would be good to have an automatic calculation of deaths per capita in the table. Perhaps the most accurate way to portray the gravity of the situation in each country. Php2000 ( talk) 11:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
One and only source : santepubliquefrance ; which is actually the main source of this wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.2.154.69 ( talk) 15:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/corona-virus-karte-infektionen-deutschland-weltweit/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.88.223.199 ( talk) 18:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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South Africa 7 deaths due to Corona virus and not 5 as currently stated. 41.170.80.75 ( talk) 20:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
According to the Government of Pakistan's portal ( http://covid.gov.pk/), the total number of cases as of last night was 2547 (not 2680) and 37 deaths (not 40). Please update your statistics because its caused quite a stir. Both BBC Urdu and Dawn News picked up on this number, despite the fact the Government of Pakistan portal which you use as Pakistan's source says 2547. Regards. -- 2607:FEA8:A380:3173:A048:E968:35FF:B827 ( talk) 03:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Bangladesh has 70 confirmed cases with 8 deaths as of today (4 April 2020). Muhib ( talk) 06:29, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Please also update recovered cases number as 30. Source: https://www.iedcr.gov.bd/ Muhib ( talk) 06:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
83031 Coronavirus Cases in France
Coronavirus COVID-19 CSSE Johns Hopkins University
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Latvia: 2 deaths 86.1.123.148 ( talk) 12:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
What is the amount of coronavirus in every country? Corona time die ( talk) 18:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, your total number of confirmed covid-19 cases for France is wrong and not in line with your own source. Pleas align it with your source, which is correct. Thanks 2001:B07:AE6:267B:3569:C08E:EFD6:99F2 ( talk) 06:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
First positive case in the territory has been confirmed. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 11:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Total deaths: 69,420 Relay69.420 ( talk) 01:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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I think the numbers for Austria have been switched between the deaths & recoveries, please update 79.178.104.147 ( talk) 23:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm sure that table of external territories must consists from two territories only - Norwegian Svalbard and Australian Coral See Islands. Another countries, included in current table of external territories, must be convert into Overseas Territories table. I propose full list of countries for Overseas Territories table (what exists as subjects of international politics): 1. American Samoa 2. Bonaire 3. Christmas Island 4. Cocos Islands 5. Cook Islands 6. Niue 7. Norfolk Island 8. Pitcairn Islands 9. Saba 10.Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha 11. Saint Pierre and Miquelon 12. Tokelau 13. Wallis and Futuna
All another territories, what included in the table now, must be exclude, because they are the parts of independent countries or dependent territories. 10:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC) CrazyRepublican ( talk)
CrazyRepublicanI have made similar comments as it's then consistent with worldometer and general geography knowledge ( talk) - that maybe the case but where do you then draw a line. My city has it's own governing body as do all US states - that would be madness. Sparkylucas75 —Preceding undated comment added 14:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
The title of this article says "by country". Antarctica has no countries. 41.221.207.57 ( talk) 13:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory. -- MarioGom ( talk) 13:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Due to fact, that territories of Jubaland, Puntland and Rojava do not seek recognition as an independent entity, I think, that they must be excluded from table of States with no recognition or limited recognition. CrazyRepublican ( talk) 10:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I think that list lacks following inhabited territories under foreign occupation: 1.Golan Heights (Israeli occupation), 2. Azad Kashmir (Pakistani occupation), 3. Gilgit Baltistan (Pakistani occupation), 4. Aksai Chin (Chinese occupation), 5. Shaksgam River Valley (Chinese occupation), 6. City of Sevastopol (Russian occupation), 7. Autonomous Republic of Crimea (Russian occupation). CrazyRepublican ( talk) 14:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donetsk and Luhansk "republics", Northern Cyprus are under foreign occupation now. But these countries marked in table as separate entities. CrazyRepublican ( talk) 17:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
The Northern Mariana Is are in the Wikipedia page but not listed on the Worldometer listing - why is this variation present?
Western Sahara is confirmed with 4 cases on Worldometer and is the same as Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic but the later name remains as no cases on the Africa list yet in the notes confirms there are cases - this needs updating.
The territories etc list remains very excessive and needs revising - there is no logic to add more and more islands/areas. The Nations of the UN plus the standard recognised territories makes sense. Alderney & Sark are not self governing and have no logic to be listed. similar with islands linked to places like Mauritius etc - it should match that of the Worldometer listing for consistency and any of the "extra" areas could be listed as a seperate statement for info.
Those below should remain:
2 Bougainville[280] 249,358 autonomous region Papua New Guinea
4 American Samoa[281] 55,191 unincorporated territory United States
7 Bonaire[282] 20,104 special municipality Netherlands
9 Cook Islands[283] 17,564 associated state New Zealand 10 Wallis and Futuna 11,239 overseas collectivity France
13 Saint Helena & dependant Territories Saint Helena[284] 4,534 (administrative subdivision of Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha) United Kingdom
17 Saba 1,915 special municipality Netherlands 18 Christmas Island 1,843 external territory Australia 19 Norfolk Island Norfolk Island 1,748 external territory Australia 20 Niue 1,626 associated state New Zealand
23 Tokelau 1,357 dependent territory New Zealand
26 Cocos (Keeling) Islands 544 external territory Australia
31 Pitcairn Islands 50 overseas territory United Kingdom
Check Northern Mariana Islands - and add if no cases and on case list in error
States with no recognition or limited recognition - following now has cases and needs removing
6 Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic[b] 100,000 Disputed Africa recognised by at least one UN member state Sparkylucas75 ( talk) 14:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)sparkylucas75
Why there are no recoveries statistics for UK and the Netherlands? In Worldometers they have 135 and 250 recovery cases respectively. Aminabzz ( talk) 18:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
As of 23 March 2020, the United Kingdom government does not publish the number of recoveries. Last update on 22 March reported 135 recovered patients.Keeping that 135 from 22 March would be misleading, since the estimated number of recoveries is much higher by now. The situation is similar for the Netherlands, see the footnote:
The Dutch Government agency RIVM, responsible for the constituent country the Netherlands, does not count its number of recoveries.-- MarioGom ( talk) 18:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
The original source is not Finnish language, it is Swedish! Look it up I you don't believe me. Vasaras kruīzi Tallink ( talk) 20:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Curacao has 7 people recovered now instead of 5 138.219.140.30 ( talk) 04:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I took a stab at writing a disambiguation hatnote between this article and National responses to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. I'm not sure I got the distinction perfectly right, so if those of you maintaining this article want it to be different, please feel free to modify (so long as you're able to agree with the folks at the other page and keep the hatnotes synchronized). {{u| Sdkb}} talk 05:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Numbers of Deaths in Switzerland ist 705. See offical Link below of the swiss gouverment
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/situation-schweiz-und-international.html Davidisler ( talk) 11:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Curacao has 7 people recovered now instead of 5 138.219.140.30 ( talk) 15:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Since Vatican City is a separate country, they should be listed here as the most affected nation. 7 out of 618 is 11326 per million. Vatican City is the most affected country per capita. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.101.160 ( talk) 18:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Can the number of cases for New Zealand please be updated? The Ministry of Health lists 1239 as the total confirmed and probable cases, while the current confirmed cases total is only 992. https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenbananas129 ( talk • contribs) 22:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Table has since been updated to today’s figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenbananas129 ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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change death toll of Spain to 15,843 2A01:E0A:580:C5B0:A823:3E08:3C0C:2393 ( talk) 10:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
autonomous Monastic Republic of Mount Athos should be counted seperate than Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.111.5.6 ( talk) 09:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Iranian authorities are announcing their statistics every 24 hours on 10:30 AM in GMT time. They announced 3993 deaths on that time (6 and a half hours ago). So how is the numbers increased by 10 while they will announce more, 14 hours later? Aminabzz ( talk) 16:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Pardon me. 17 and a half hours later. Aminabzz ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
The article right now states:
"The crude (preliminary) case fatality rate is 6.0%.[2]"
And it links to some study at the St. John Hopkins University.
But this is not correct, because it depends on the country, and many additional factors. We have a range as low as ~2.0%, to 4.1% or so in Wuhan (but other areas in China have e. g. 2.0; and then we have situations such as Italy or Spain with 10-12%. While the latter may decrease (because weaker people with pre-diseases are statistically more likely to die early, as opposed to those who may recover), having a statement like "the case fatality rate is 6.0%", is SIMPLY NOT CORRECT TO SAY. Wikipedia should NOT make such generic statements without restrictions - John Hopkins university is not even the only one doing testings. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:1535:595B:9280:DF61 ( talk) 16:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
This is a moot discussion. The numbers of most countries including the United States can safely be assumed to be a severe undercount, and in many cases this is much more than an assumption but easily verifiable.
Deliberately not doing any testing for instance is a great way to cover up the true numbers. Obviously you will have a wonderfully low number of verified cases if you do hardly any testing in the first place. The downside of this strategy being that you will end up with a horrific percentage of deaths among those verified cases. --
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The underreporting by China is much higher than any other country. This was originally mentioned by various unofficial sources, but then it became well known: the French press mentions comments by the Chinese Diaspora around 60 000 deaths: [1] (also [2], and [3]). This article [4] mentions several direct sources. The widely used [5] does not present numbers for China, mentioning that the numbers are vastly underreported: sources are known epidemiologists. Other countries underreport the number of contamination, but the number of deaths is validated by global mortality rates (e.g. INSEE reports in France). According to that source, there is a unique, on purpose, underreporting in China by local governments as they are afraid of consequences by the communist party if they report disasters - yes, other governments underreport, but the deaths are not underreported by a factor 30 - for example journalists found the underreporting of deaths in EHPAD, leading to an increase by some percentage, but far less than a factor 2. China is a very special, widely validated, underreporting. Olivier Teytaud 2A01:E0A:544:29F0:4A8:44E4:851:F90B ( talk) 05:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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