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1) Should the
CNN article contain a section for Controversies? And if so, 2) should it be based on the sections already existing on the
CNN controversies page as I have proposed, or something else?
SmolBrane (
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22:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
However, certain types of content can be difficult to write neutrally in independent articles, such as "Criticism of..." articles (see WP:CSECTION), and if the subject is controversial it may also increase editors' maintenance burden.Obviously that applies here and makes this an inappropriate subject to try and devote a section-and-sub-article to. Also, I note that you have now responded to nearly every person arguing "no" - please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this discussion, especially with circular arguments like these. -- Aquillion ( talk) 18:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
No one in their right mind thinks CNN is "non-partisan ". That sentence needs to be removed. 76.91.127.113 ( talk) 05:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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Why don't you have CNN listed as a liberal news outlet as you call Fox News Conservative!
Wikipedia describes conservative Fox News as "an American multinational conservative cable news television channel", which is fair enough inasmuch as it's certainly an accurate description of Fox News.
However, Wikipedia describes liberal CNN as merely “a multinational news-based pay television channel headquartered in Atlanta, United States", with no reference to its political orientation describes liberal MSNBC simply as "an American news-based pay television cable channel based in New York City", again with no reference to its political orientation. 50.231.60.202 ( talk) 02:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
How should CNN's potential political bias/positioning be covered?
1. Yield not one inch to those who seek to demonize CNN as "liberal" because it and its audience don't go along with the firehose of falsehood, the alternative facts, the gaslighting, the projection, the Big Lie and all the rest of the torrent of bullshit of post-truth politics that is the classic, textbook modus operandi of fascist movements. There, I said it. Have a nice day. soibangla ( talk) 12:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
1. Per Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. The hidden note that the proposer tried to remove (twice) is in place to reflect the consensus reached on this article, and to deter drive-bys. Further, a discussion on whether CNN is liberal or left or whatever isn't the issue. Most mainstream, reliable media is liberal or left-leaning. As other editors have pointed out over the years, there's no need to state the immediately obvious in the lede. ValarianB ( talk) 13:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
1. I suppose if folks are insistent on adding the word "left" to the article; it could say that CNN is to the left of the Aryan Nations. O3000, Ret. ( talk) 13:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Oppose #2 and #3 Support withdrawing RFC as WP:NOTNEUTRAL and unlikely to start a useful discussion. — Neonorange ( talk to Phil) (he, they) 14:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC) —
Comment: I happen to think CNN is pretty left wing, but this is not the best RFC I've ever seen. You need a concrete proposal as far as text goes (with backing RS). Furthermore, the where of this (i.e. at what point in the article) is important because (as others have pointed out) we've already had a RFC/discussion on that aspect of this. We cannot relitigate this stuff constantly. Rja13ww33 ( talk) 16:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
not to be made to the article at [that] time.Which meant to me that this matter can always be discussed later. I understand that it is there to prevent people from just adding it to the article without discussing it, but you should see that my second edit was not, in fact, to remove the comment as a whole but to reflect the lack of consensus. I think we should also focus on real arguments as for why CNN is not liberal, instead of making claims of editors. 0xDeadbeef ( T C) 13:21, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
"Let's note also that one of the contributors here, Mr. Daniel Plainview, is just another sock of Hidden Tempo, blocked for right-wing POV pushing, disruption, edit warring, socking, and irritating."The hidden note is in place to help deal with the constant stream of abuse. ValarianB ( talk) 13:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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link | Curvity | 14 Sept 2021 |
link | WhowinsIwins | 19 Feb 2022 |
link | OrangeRye | 4 May 2022 |
For those that are interested, roughly the last 10 Talk:CNN discussions raised about adding "left", "liberal" or similar to the lede. This does not count the numerous one-off aggressive and/or trolling requests such as this that were simply reverted as unproductive. As I expanded on above, the issue isn't whether or not CNN leans left (it does). The issue is the relevance of mentioning such a plain fact. ValarianB ( talk) 14:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it is. As suggested, I brought this to the talk page even though I don't think this will go anywhere, but I also don't particularly feel like getting banned for spam. As for this being discussed many times, I don't think that matters. The nature of democracy and open forums like wikipedia is to continue discussing topics until the answer is definite, and I don't feel this topic is definitively decided. In general American culture, where CNN is from, CNN is seen as liberal, not extremist or far left, but definitely left, at least when it comes to politics. I have never met someone in my life who feels differently. You can find many reliable sources like the Pew Research Center that back this up and show that liberals prefer CNN while conservatives do not. As for CNN saying they are not biased or are trying to be non-bipartisan, I feel this claim holds no weight. By that logic, the CCP or Sputnik should also be considered unbiased as they claim to say nothing but the facts. Let's talk about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OrangeRye ( talk • contribs) 23:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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This article is missing a section about the CNN logo. I wanted to learn about the logo, and found nothing. The other news organizations, such as CBS and ABC have said section. 2600:100C:B010:7C35:3444:840A:98BC:7A24 ( talk) 15:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
I’ve noticed other wiki articles describe certain cable news networks as “conservative” in their opening paragraph. Those articles have a “political alignment” section in them as well. Given CNN’s hyper-partisan reporting would it not be fair and accurate to describe CNN as a “liberal” news network? If someone were to wiki CNN they wouldn’t know the networks left leaning views until they clicked the controversies section and exited the CNN main page. I think this could confuse anyone wanting to do just a quick search on the network. WhowinsIwins ( talk) 07:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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Two executives listed in the CNN Sidebar no longer work for the company: Brad Ferrer and Andrew Morse. The page in general really needs an update.
Beme is shutdown. CNN Films is nearly closed. The CNN+ information is incomplete. And on and on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1001:7810:5c13:5468:e5a4:db95 ( talk) 22:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove "30303" from the headquarters address in the info box. It is in the incorrect address format, and zip codes are not included for other organization addresses. It should simply read:
1 CNN Center Drive Atlanta, GA 2600:6C51:7C7F:8D66:AC20:AEFA:7237:CEA1 ( talk) 02:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Not for nothing but anyone can accuse anyone of anything, there's only one citation, and one there is is only a secondary source to the statement being made. At the very least we should be citing one of these accusations instead of citing coverage about the accusations. 76.243.104.169 ( talk) 16:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Ad Fontes Media and their Media Bias Chart should not be used in article space in reference to sources' political leaning or reliability." I have reverted your edit. — Nythar ( 💬- 🍀) 05:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
reliability varies among the website's articles and should be determined on a case-by-case basis." You shouldn't look for sources that support a certain narrative and then just cite them without an analysis. Stop adding sources that have not been deemed reliable, as you did here when you added a Biasly citation, and the NYT source has nothing to do with bias in CNN. — Nythar ( 💬- 🍀) 07:08, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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with EVERY article concerning news outlets that are not left leaning, Wikipedia adds verbiage concerning support of Republicans, anti republican statements, and anti right verbiage. Every article on Left leaning news outlets contain no such biased language. Either remove any and all politically biased statements, or include the same criticism in you articles concerning leftist news outlets. Wikipedia is clearly a left leaning site, that doesn't bother to hide its bias. 50.250.214.1 ( talk) 16:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change "CNN claims to be 'The Most Trusted Name in News', but its efforts to be nonpartisan have led to accusations of false balance" to "CNN's attempts to be nonpartisan have led to accusations of false balance." As written, the sentence feels unnecessarily vindictive. 97.87.135.143 ( talk) 22:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Ad Fontes Media Rates the CNN Trump Town Hall. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 21:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Initially of course CNN stood for Cable News Network. Is the company still Cable News Network or is the company name now CNN in the same way that International Business Machines became IBM? Cross Reference ( talk) 11:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Wrong use of word. The Source, Kaitlin Collins at 9.02 on the 31st July. 173.79.37.241 ( talk) 01:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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It has been variously described as liberal,[10] left-wing[18] and far-left.[35] 172.58.147.255 ( talk) 04:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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1) Should the
CNN article contain a section for Controversies? And if so, 2) should it be based on the sections already existing on the
CNN controversies page as I have proposed, or something else?
SmolBrane (
talk)
22:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
However, certain types of content can be difficult to write neutrally in independent articles, such as "Criticism of..." articles (see WP:CSECTION), and if the subject is controversial it may also increase editors' maintenance burden.Obviously that applies here and makes this an inappropriate subject to try and devote a section-and-sub-article to. Also, I note that you have now responded to nearly every person arguing "no" - please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this discussion, especially with circular arguments like these. -- Aquillion ( talk) 18:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
No one in their right mind thinks CNN is "non-partisan ". That sentence needs to be removed. 76.91.127.113 ( talk) 05:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 February 2021 and 14 May 2021. Further details are available
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Why don't you have CNN listed as a liberal news outlet as you call Fox News Conservative!
Wikipedia describes conservative Fox News as "an American multinational conservative cable news television channel", which is fair enough inasmuch as it's certainly an accurate description of Fox News.
However, Wikipedia describes liberal CNN as merely “a multinational news-based pay television channel headquartered in Atlanta, United States", with no reference to its political orientation describes liberal MSNBC simply as "an American news-based pay television cable channel based in New York City", again with no reference to its political orientation. 50.231.60.202 ( talk) 02:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
How should CNN's potential political bias/positioning be covered?
1. Yield not one inch to those who seek to demonize CNN as "liberal" because it and its audience don't go along with the firehose of falsehood, the alternative facts, the gaslighting, the projection, the Big Lie and all the rest of the torrent of bullshit of post-truth politics that is the classic, textbook modus operandi of fascist movements. There, I said it. Have a nice day. soibangla ( talk) 12:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
1. Per Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. The hidden note that the proposer tried to remove (twice) is in place to reflect the consensus reached on this article, and to deter drive-bys. Further, a discussion on whether CNN is liberal or left or whatever isn't the issue. Most mainstream, reliable media is liberal or left-leaning. As other editors have pointed out over the years, there's no need to state the immediately obvious in the lede. ValarianB ( talk) 13:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
1. I suppose if folks are insistent on adding the word "left" to the article; it could say that CNN is to the left of the Aryan Nations. O3000, Ret. ( talk) 13:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Oppose #2 and #3 Support withdrawing RFC as WP:NOTNEUTRAL and unlikely to start a useful discussion. — Neonorange ( talk to Phil) (he, they) 14:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC) —
Comment: I happen to think CNN is pretty left wing, but this is not the best RFC I've ever seen. You need a concrete proposal as far as text goes (with backing RS). Furthermore, the where of this (i.e. at what point in the article) is important because (as others have pointed out) we've already had a RFC/discussion on that aspect of this. We cannot relitigate this stuff constantly. Rja13ww33 ( talk) 16:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
not to be made to the article at [that] time.Which meant to me that this matter can always be discussed later. I understand that it is there to prevent people from just adding it to the article without discussing it, but you should see that my second edit was not, in fact, to remove the comment as a whole but to reflect the lack of consensus. I think we should also focus on real arguments as for why CNN is not liberal, instead of making claims of editors. 0xDeadbeef ( T C) 13:21, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
"Let's note also that one of the contributors here, Mr. Daniel Plainview, is just another sock of Hidden Tempo, blocked for right-wing POV pushing, disruption, edit warring, socking, and irritating."The hidden note is in place to help deal with the constant stream of abuse. ValarianB ( talk) 13:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Discussion | User | Status, or last edit to talk page |
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link | Bogoio | 13 Nov 2020 (only edit) |
link | cstiker05 | 9 Jan 2021 |
link | 2601:18D:8D80:9B90:EDFF:3F63:A9D2:AD8C | 18 Jan 2021 |
link | 2601:18F:4101:4830:55AF:FC89:E9EF:1B8 | 28 Feb 2021 |
link | The Unique One v2.0 | 27 June 2021 |
link | TomReagan90 | indefinitely banned |
link | CB30303 | 6 July 2021 (only edit) |
link | Curvity | 14 Sept 2021 |
link | WhowinsIwins | 19 Feb 2022 |
link | OrangeRye | 4 May 2022 |
For those that are interested, roughly the last 10 Talk:CNN discussions raised about adding "left", "liberal" or similar to the lede. This does not count the numerous one-off aggressive and/or trolling requests such as this that were simply reverted as unproductive. As I expanded on above, the issue isn't whether or not CNN leans left (it does). The issue is the relevance of mentioning such a plain fact. ValarianB ( talk) 14:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it is. As suggested, I brought this to the talk page even though I don't think this will go anywhere, but I also don't particularly feel like getting banned for spam. As for this being discussed many times, I don't think that matters. The nature of democracy and open forums like wikipedia is to continue discussing topics until the answer is definite, and I don't feel this topic is definitively decided. In general American culture, where CNN is from, CNN is seen as liberal, not extremist or far left, but definitely left, at least when it comes to politics. I have never met someone in my life who feels differently. You can find many reliable sources like the Pew Research Center that back this up and show that liberals prefer CNN while conservatives do not. As for CNN saying they are not biased or are trying to be non-bipartisan, I feel this claim holds no weight. By that logic, the CCP or Sputnik should also be considered unbiased as they claim to say nothing but the facts. Let's talk about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OrangeRye ( talk • contribs) 23:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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This article is missing a section about the CNN logo. I wanted to learn about the logo, and found nothing. The other news organizations, such as CBS and ABC have said section. 2600:100C:B010:7C35:3444:840A:98BC:7A24 ( talk) 15:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
I’ve noticed other wiki articles describe certain cable news networks as “conservative” in their opening paragraph. Those articles have a “political alignment” section in them as well. Given CNN’s hyper-partisan reporting would it not be fair and accurate to describe CNN as a “liberal” news network? If someone were to wiki CNN they wouldn’t know the networks left leaning views until they clicked the controversies section and exited the CNN main page. I think this could confuse anyone wanting to do just a quick search on the network. WhowinsIwins ( talk) 07:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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Two executives listed in the CNN Sidebar no longer work for the company: Brad Ferrer and Andrew Morse. The page in general really needs an update.
Beme is shutdown. CNN Films is nearly closed. The CNN+ information is incomplete. And on and on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1001:7810:5c13:5468:e5a4:db95 ( talk) 22:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove "30303" from the headquarters address in the info box. It is in the incorrect address format, and zip codes are not included for other organization addresses. It should simply read:
1 CNN Center Drive Atlanta, GA 2600:6C51:7C7F:8D66:AC20:AEFA:7237:CEA1 ( talk) 02:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Not for nothing but anyone can accuse anyone of anything, there's only one citation, and one there is is only a secondary source to the statement being made. At the very least we should be citing one of these accusations instead of citing coverage about the accusations. 76.243.104.169 ( talk) 16:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Ad Fontes Media and their Media Bias Chart should not be used in article space in reference to sources' political leaning or reliability." I have reverted your edit. — Nythar ( 💬- 🍀) 05:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
reliability varies among the website's articles and should be determined on a case-by-case basis." You shouldn't look for sources that support a certain narrative and then just cite them without an analysis. Stop adding sources that have not been deemed reliable, as you did here when you added a Biasly citation, and the NYT source has nothing to do with bias in CNN. — Nythar ( 💬- 🍀) 07:08, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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with EVERY article concerning news outlets that are not left leaning, Wikipedia adds verbiage concerning support of Republicans, anti republican statements, and anti right verbiage. Every article on Left leaning news outlets contain no such biased language. Either remove any and all politically biased statements, or include the same criticism in you articles concerning leftist news outlets. Wikipedia is clearly a left leaning site, that doesn't bother to hide its bias. 50.250.214.1 ( talk) 16:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change "CNN claims to be 'The Most Trusted Name in News', but its efforts to be nonpartisan have led to accusations of false balance" to "CNN's attempts to be nonpartisan have led to accusations of false balance." As written, the sentence feels unnecessarily vindictive. 97.87.135.143 ( talk) 22:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Ad Fontes Media Rates the CNN Trump Town Hall. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 21:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Initially of course CNN stood for Cable News Network. Is the company still Cable News Network or is the company name now CNN in the same way that International Business Machines became IBM? Cross Reference ( talk) 11:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Wrong use of word. The Source, Kaitlin Collins at 9.02 on the 31st July. 173.79.37.241 ( talk) 01:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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It has been variously described as liberal,[10] left-wing[18] and far-left.[35] 172.58.147.255 ( talk) 04:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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