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I'm a bit unsure here. DH-10 is the rumored Chinese cruise missile by US intelligence, CJ-10 is the new smoking gun in the parade, are those the same thing? Jim101 ( talk) 14:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
According the some knowledgeable sources, the naval three tube launcher are one of the YJ-91/62 missile, not the CJ-10 missile. Jim101 ( talk) 23:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
It cannot be stellar update, because it could only be used on nights whith clear sky when the system can see the stars, unhindered by clouds. Stellar update is used for ballistic missiles because they fly out of the atmosphere where the stars are always visible, but a cruise missile never gets out of the atmosphere.-- Arado ( talk) 10:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
These two source:
are being used to claim the ship is - for certain - armed with the CJ-10. (1) says the VLS can fire a missile with a range of 1500 km. (2) then says "we are told 052D can carry a missile with 1500 km range" and then concludes that that missile must be the CJ-10 since it is the only Chinese missile that fits. Given the uncertainty surrounding Chinese weapons development, and the properties of those weapons, taking this conclusion for face value - especially as it comes from a source with no credentials - seems hazardous.
I'm removing 052D from the list until a more reliable source says it. - RovingPersonalityConstruct ( talk, contribs) 22:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
The Popular Science article CHINA SHOWS OFF ITS DEADLY NEW CRUISE MISSILES by Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer (10 March 2015) is a poor source compared to what is available. From what I can find, Lin lacks credentials, Singer is somewhat better but seems to write in general about military technology. One wonders where they are getting their numbers from.
Compare this to both the JFQ (publication of a US military institution) (30 September 2014) and NAISC (US military organization) (11 May 2013) sources, which only attempt to give a range of 1500km.+. I believe the more recent US "Annual Reports to Congress" simply stop guessing.
The Janes' article Xi Jinping visit reveals H-6 bomber details by Richard D Fisher Jr (21 February 2015) doesn't mention the CJ-10 at all. It mentions a "KD-20/K-AKD-20".
Listing the range in the box as 1500km+ seems to cover all of the bases. - RovingPersonalityConstruct ( talk, contribs) 11:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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Since evidently people have not been reading the sources they're using:
"A Potent Vector" (Gromley et al.) For the CJ-20, reads:
For the KD-20, appears in a table as an air-launched missile, with no association with the H-6.
'"China Shows Off Its Deadly New Cruise Missiles" (Popular Science)
Says the H-6K can carry 7 KD-20s, and that the KD-20 is an air-launched variant of the CJ-10. No mention is made of the CJ-20.
"China Teases Its H-20 Stealth Bomber and Trolls Northrop Grumman At The Same Time" (The Drive)
Says that the KD-20 may be another name for the CJ-10K. Significantly, the article links to Wikipedia's CJ-10 article for CJ-10K. No mention is made of how many CJ-10K/KD-20 the H-6K may carry.
Global Security
Says the H-6K may carry 6 air-launched variants of the CJ-10. Identifies the CJ-20 as the KD-20.
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It becomes apparent that there are a number of disagreements between the sources. Like is the KD-20 a CJ-10 variant; if it is, is it another name for the CJ-10K or the CJ-20 (and perhaps even if the CJ-10K and CJ-20 are the same missile.) And whether, and how many, KD-20 or CJ-10 variants the H-6K actually carries.
At this time, I am inclined to go with Gromley et al.; their credentials are far superior, and their scholarship less questionable, than the other sources. - RovingPersonalityConstruct ( talk, contribs) 00:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
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I'm a bit unsure here. DH-10 is the rumored Chinese cruise missile by US intelligence, CJ-10 is the new smoking gun in the parade, are those the same thing? Jim101 ( talk) 14:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
According the some knowledgeable sources, the naval three tube launcher are one of the YJ-91/62 missile, not the CJ-10 missile. Jim101 ( talk) 23:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
It cannot be stellar update, because it could only be used on nights whith clear sky when the system can see the stars, unhindered by clouds. Stellar update is used for ballistic missiles because they fly out of the atmosphere where the stars are always visible, but a cruise missile never gets out of the atmosphere.-- Arado ( talk) 10:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
These two source:
are being used to claim the ship is - for certain - armed with the CJ-10. (1) says the VLS can fire a missile with a range of 1500 km. (2) then says "we are told 052D can carry a missile with 1500 km range" and then concludes that that missile must be the CJ-10 since it is the only Chinese missile that fits. Given the uncertainty surrounding Chinese weapons development, and the properties of those weapons, taking this conclusion for face value - especially as it comes from a source with no credentials - seems hazardous.
I'm removing 052D from the list until a more reliable source says it. - RovingPersonalityConstruct ( talk, contribs) 22:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
The Popular Science article CHINA SHOWS OFF ITS DEADLY NEW CRUISE MISSILES by Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer (10 March 2015) is a poor source compared to what is available. From what I can find, Lin lacks credentials, Singer is somewhat better but seems to write in general about military technology. One wonders where they are getting their numbers from.
Compare this to both the JFQ (publication of a US military institution) (30 September 2014) and NAISC (US military organization) (11 May 2013) sources, which only attempt to give a range of 1500km.+. I believe the more recent US "Annual Reports to Congress" simply stop guessing.
The Janes' article Xi Jinping visit reveals H-6 bomber details by Richard D Fisher Jr (21 February 2015) doesn't mention the CJ-10 at all. It mentions a "KD-20/K-AKD-20".
Listing the range in the box as 1500km+ seems to cover all of the bases. - RovingPersonalityConstruct ( talk, contribs) 11:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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Since evidently people have not been reading the sources they're using:
"A Potent Vector" (Gromley et al.) For the CJ-20, reads:
For the KD-20, appears in a table as an air-launched missile, with no association with the H-6.
'"China Shows Off Its Deadly New Cruise Missiles" (Popular Science)
Says the H-6K can carry 7 KD-20s, and that the KD-20 is an air-launched variant of the CJ-10. No mention is made of the CJ-20.
"China Teases Its H-20 Stealth Bomber and Trolls Northrop Grumman At The Same Time" (The Drive)
Says that the KD-20 may be another name for the CJ-10K. Significantly, the article links to Wikipedia's CJ-10 article for CJ-10K. No mention is made of how many CJ-10K/KD-20 the H-6K may carry.
Global Security
Says the H-6K may carry 6 air-launched variants of the CJ-10. Identifies the CJ-20 as the KD-20.
---
It becomes apparent that there are a number of disagreements between the sources. Like is the KD-20 a CJ-10 variant; if it is, is it another name for the CJ-10K or the CJ-20 (and perhaps even if the CJ-10K and CJ-20 are the same missile.) And whether, and how many, KD-20 or CJ-10 variants the H-6K actually carries.
At this time, I am inclined to go with Gromley et al.; their credentials are far superior, and their scholarship less questionable, than the other sources. - RovingPersonalityConstruct ( talk, contribs) 00:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)