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Dubious: some other sources say something different; also "horsemen" is a pretty unusual name for a fertility dance. Of course, sticks are always seen as a phallic symbol for those poisoned with Freudism, but they are a traditional weapon of carpathian shepherds. mikka (t) 18:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Please quote these sources, then perhaps they can be incorporated into this section. For what it's worth, the Calusari dancers themselves believe the dances to be both ancient and originating as good luck and fertility dances. PEHowland 19:15 4 November 2005 (UTC)
It does not means "horsemen", which is "călăraşi" or "călăreţi". "Căluş" here means a type of stick. It is indeed derived from "horse", as it used to be a stick that was used to keep the horse's mouth open. bogdan | Talk 19:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Here's a good description: http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaDance/ritual_caluseri.htm but it does have the wrong meaning ("horsemen"). bogdan | Talk 19:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
When browsing for Ioan Căianu, I stumbled on Codex Caioni ( Codex Cajoni). Are they related? If they are not there is a good chance that the oldest calusari records come from the Codex. Just please keep your eyes open. mikka (t) 20:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Round 2:
Well; DEX entry says one meaning "Căluş" = "Numele unui dans popular". Hence Căluşar/Căluşari simply refers to "dancers of Căluş". Also, [1] says that Iacob Mureşan and Stefan Emilian in 1855 choreographed something, which was surprisingly readily reintroduced into folk traditions. So can it be that the name of the dance is kind of two-stage derivation? mikka (t) 00:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Mikka it has nothing to do with Turkic people or The Uralic tribes . i know you are trying to link the Calusari dance to the hungarian folklore but you can`t . go troll somewhere else please. chu-choo —Preceding
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Can anyone find the actual spelling of "Kalushar/Kalushari" (this dance in Bulgaria)? -- AdiJapan 11:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
WHen I lived in Craiova I was told that Căluşarii was a refrence to the dancers themselves and that the dance was Căluşu or Căluşul. Was I misinfomrmed? If not we should probly update the article. Dalf | Talk 08:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I changed [2] it. Dalf | Talk 02:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
i would love to see some references on the dance being derived from a pre-Christian fertility ritual or rooted in the ancient Indo-European worship of horses. the later part does sound very coherent, indo europeans did worship the horse/horsemen, and this is shown by archaeological evidence (ie the Thracian horseman worshiped by... well Thracians), but all my sources (ion heliade radulescu, damaschin bojinca, sulzer, etc...) limitate their perspectives in saying the dance is roman. IleanaCosanziana 21:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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Dubious: some other sources say something different; also "horsemen" is a pretty unusual name for a fertility dance. Of course, sticks are always seen as a phallic symbol for those poisoned with Freudism, but they are a traditional weapon of carpathian shepherds. mikka (t) 18:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Please quote these sources, then perhaps they can be incorporated into this section. For what it's worth, the Calusari dancers themselves believe the dances to be both ancient and originating as good luck and fertility dances. PEHowland 19:15 4 November 2005 (UTC)
It does not means "horsemen", which is "călăraşi" or "călăreţi". "Căluş" here means a type of stick. It is indeed derived from "horse", as it used to be a stick that was used to keep the horse's mouth open. bogdan | Talk 19:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Here's a good description: http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaDance/ritual_caluseri.htm but it does have the wrong meaning ("horsemen"). bogdan | Talk 19:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
When browsing for Ioan Căianu, I stumbled on Codex Caioni ( Codex Cajoni). Are they related? If they are not there is a good chance that the oldest calusari records come from the Codex. Just please keep your eyes open. mikka (t) 20:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Round 2:
Well; DEX entry says one meaning "Căluş" = "Numele unui dans popular". Hence Căluşar/Căluşari simply refers to "dancers of Căluş". Also, [1] says that Iacob Mureşan and Stefan Emilian in 1855 choreographed something, which was surprisingly readily reintroduced into folk traditions. So can it be that the name of the dance is kind of two-stage derivation? mikka (t) 00:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Mikka it has nothing to do with Turkic people or The Uralic tribes . i know you are trying to link the Calusari dance to the hungarian folklore but you can`t . go troll somewhere else please. chu-choo —Preceding
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Can anyone find the actual spelling of "Kalushar/Kalushari" (this dance in Bulgaria)? -- AdiJapan 11:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
WHen I lived in Craiova I was told that Căluşarii was a refrence to the dancers themselves and that the dance was Căluşu or Căluşul. Was I misinfomrmed? If not we should probly update the article. Dalf | Talk 08:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I changed [2] it. Dalf | Talk 02:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
i would love to see some references on the dance being derived from a pre-Christian fertility ritual or rooted in the ancient Indo-European worship of horses. the later part does sound very coherent, indo europeans did worship the horse/horsemen, and this is shown by archaeological evidence (ie the Thracian horseman worshiped by... well Thracians), but all my sources (ion heliade radulescu, damaschin bojinca, sulzer, etc...) limitate their perspectives in saying the dance is roman. IleanaCosanziana 21:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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